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gilzoo
03-29-2006, 10:18 PM
I just shot a 2 hour interview for a client. Went straight to a Powerbook via Robert Lane's setup...which worked like a charm.
Now the client wants a DVD with Timecode to make selects for the edit.
From what I can tell, my G5 iMac will take 40 Hours to do this...is that right?!?
10 Hours to Render the Timecode in Final Cut, and 30 Hours to export through Compressor to an MPEG-2.
Am I crazy? Is there any other way to do this? Maybe out from Final Cut to DV tape then back into Final Cut and then to MPEG-2? This was all so much easier with good old DV...guess you have to break an omlette to make a few eggs.
The client wants it soon - Any body have ideas on this?
Jarek Zabczynski
03-29-2006, 10:56 PM
You don't have to render before you send to compressor...actually you shouldn't. I always make sure I have everything unrendered before I export. So say 5 hours. Not too bad...
gilzoo
03-30-2006, 05:46 AM
Don't know if it's my machine...but sending the sequence to compressor through Final Cut (5.0.4) yielded in a 30 Hour compression time! On top of that, after letting it work overnight, I came back in the morning and it said 29 Hours left!!
How about this workflow:
Hook up the HVX200 through firewire, "Print to Video" through Final Cut and then send the signal out through S-Video on the Camera to my DV Deck? Will that work as sort of a poor man's downconvert?
So FCP (Print to Video)
to
HVX200 over Firewire
to
DV Deck over S-Video
booth
03-30-2006, 06:39 AM
I'd just do a DV stream out into a bog standard consumer DVD-R recorder personally (after rendering the timecode).
Unless the client is doing a very detailed shot list, I will actually skip the burning in of the timecode and tell them to use the DVD Player display time as reference.
David Saraceno
03-30-2006, 09:39 AM
Went straight to a Powerbook via Robert Lane's setup...which worked like a charm.
Don't mean to grab this thread, but I can't find this info.
Do you have a link?
I think this is it: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=60199
gilzoo
03-30-2006, 09:51 PM
Unless the client is doing a very detailed shot list, I will actually skip the burning in of the timecode and tell them to use the DVD Player display time as reference.
You're probably right. I offered it because it was always so easy with regular DV. Guess I have to break down and buy a Dual or Quad soon (or wait for the Intels). However, it still seemed prohibitively long to export a 2 hour timeline to Compressor. Hope faster processors will help.
Jon Nelson
04-01-2006, 05:02 AM
I just asked the TC Window burn question in the "latest" HVX-200 forum....
I/we need to figure out how to do this with the MXF files.
If I'm to promote P2 instead of tape I need to be able to hand the client TC window burn DVD's ASAP.
Often we're shooting several hours per day, sometimes per camera with multiple cameras. We are the acquisition company only on these jobs. The client may not have even chosen the post path/company yet. To ingest all of this material to a hired NLE and render and output to DVD's will be very costly. Plus, all the ingest time will be wasted as the project may not post for months and may post elsewhere...
First working MXF to DVD affordable and expedient path get my $$!
Any thoughts?
Green Hornet
04-01-2006, 06:02 AM
I just asked the TC Window burn question in the "latest" HVX-200 forum....
I/we need to figure out how to do this with the MXF files.
If I'm to promote P2 instead of tape I need to be able to hand the client TC window burn DVD's ASAP.
Often we're shooting several hours per day, sometimes per camera with multiple cameras. We are the acquisition company only on these jobs. The client may not have even chosen the post path/company yet. To ingest all of this material to a hired NLE and render and output to DVD's will be very costly. Plus, all the ingest time will be wasted as the project may not post for months and may post elsewhere...
First working MXF to DVD affordable and expedient path get my $$!
Any thoughts?
Any dvd player can show the running time by turning on the display menu from the dvd player. Just use thoes numbers.
I know in edius it can display the time code on the playback window over the footage, I am just uncertain if it would be buring it to the final dvd.
dop16mm
04-01-2006, 07:57 AM
compressor in general takes much longer when final cut is open. Save a reference movie, close final cut, open compressor. Should be much faster. If your machine can barely cut it performance wise, don't have anything else open while compressor is running.
Any dvd player can show the running time by turning on the display menu from the dvd player. Just use thoes numbers.
I know in edius it can display the time code on the playback window over the footage, I am just uncertain if it would be buring it to the final dvd.
For professional clients that is not going to work, not with people I am talking with they need frame accurate TC on dubs to make decisions, and for all kind off test- and offline purposes in 3D animation etc. They need it and fast.
Jon Nelson
04-01-2006, 09:11 AM
"Any dvd player can show the running time by turning on the display menu from the dvd player. Just use thoes numbers"
That's not an acceptable solution for a record time TC much less time of day - especially if using multiple cameras on a multiple day shoot - this would be many hours.
The TC Window burn needs to be frame accurate so any future post house or solution can access the exact footage.
In some cases there are more than one post suites/companies using the same footage for different projects that the client &/or creatives have referenced off of the TC burns
Keep those suggestions coming though!
Green Hornet
04-01-2006, 10:02 AM
"Any dvd player can show the running time by turning on the display menu from the dvd player. Just use thoes numbers"
That's not an acceptable solution for a record time TC much less time of day - especially if using multiple cameras on a multiple day shoot - this would be many hours.
The TC Window burn needs to be frame accurate so any future post house or solution can access the exact footage.
In some cases there are more than one post suites/companies using the same footage for different projects that the client &/or creatives have referenced off of the TC burns
Keep those suggestions coming though!
Humm, I would have each camera it's own cards, and you can label the card/footage per each camera as a embeded file automatically.
Using time of day would allow me to know at what point the part of the footage was. This is very helpful for me on events that look the same but at different times of day, helps me seperate them easily (events, concerts, performances).
As for multi cam, that is even better as the lining up of time code is very easy, because it is the actual time of day.
Daily footage is stored seperately and labeled as such so there is no confusion.
Your workflow is different, so I won't try to talk you out of it.
ok, just take it into Premiere pro and under effects, you can add time code to the footage, as a filter, and burn the file...very easy.
In edius, select, print to File or tape, with time code.
Jon Nelson
04-02-2006, 01:56 PM
"ok, just take it into Premiere pro and under effects, you can add time code to the footage, as a filter, and burn the file...very easy.
In edius, select, print to File or tape, with time code."
Got any idea what the cost would be for say 2hrs of footage for two cameras for say a two day shoot - 8hrs of MXF total - ingest into the NLE - the editor has to figure out how to assemble in correct order on a timeline - then place actual source TC over top of this 8hrs - then render this TC footage - then dump all of this to DVD (hopefuly with a stand alone DVD recorder as the internal DVD recorder might take _____ hrs to burn all these DVD's)
All of the above at what - $150 an hour for an edit suite? The client will say No __ way!
By the way - two weeks ago we had 13 1/2 hours of tape from a 3 day shoot so my total footage is not just speculation...
Help!