View Full Version : HVX + G35 Beta
elrosten
03-21-2006, 11:23 PM
This was shot with a STATIC beta version of the G35. Just test shots. Enjoy!
(right click + download please)
http://www.savvyproductions.com/G35_HVX.mov
peace
jesse
MikeZas
03-21-2006, 11:31 PM
Fantastic. To me, it doesn't look so different from 35 mm film.
All Goode 21
03-22-2006, 12:17 AM
Wow, that looks great. U say its a prototype, will it be for sale anytime? Or is it something you made yourself? How much would it cost?
I'm getting the camera any week now, and I want to start looking into 35mm adaptors.
rgdfilms
03-22-2006, 02:26 AM
this adapter will never be released it seems - i've lost faith in their delivery but not yet in their product - still the best adapter around, but when will it hit the shore
bgundu
03-22-2006, 05:11 AM
What lens are you using?
Boomerang
03-22-2006, 05:28 AM
Great colors and and comp! Makes me more and more excited for the G35.....
As a beta tester with the HVX, do you find the switch(viberating) in the G35 needed for HD?
Is anyone having a tough time getting on the Cinemeks site?
Chris Messineo
03-22-2006, 06:03 AM
Jesse,
Thanks for posting the images. They look fantastic.
Chris
jamestmather
03-22-2006, 07:58 AM
i notice that cinemeks site hasn't been up for a couple of days - worried?
Chris Messineo
03-22-2006, 08:00 AM
i notice that cinemeks site hasn't been up for a couple of days - worried?
I am definitely concerned.
Chris
Matthew Bennett
03-22-2006, 08:30 AM
Jesse .. you have the original G35 so 'dialed in', man. Everything you point the camera at always looks interesting.
You should explain to everyone that this is the original G35 prototype with a static GG.
I'm always suprised by how the G35 has such good edge to edge sharpness, or at least looks like it.
Matthew Bennett
03-22-2006, 08:31 AM
You should explain to everyone that this is the original G35 prototype with a static GG.
.
oh sorry you did, some guys didn't listen
elrosten
03-22-2006, 08:44 AM
Yeah just to reiterate - this is an original STATIC BETA version of the G35. I'm really excited about Cinemek's new design. If it's this sharp with the old version, I think we're in for a pleasant surprise when the new adapters are released.
The footage was shot with a Nikon 50mm 1.8
peace
jesse
JHouser
03-22-2006, 12:14 PM
Great footage Jesse. I just wanted to pop in and let you all know that we had some server issues and we are currently in the data recovery mode. As a result, my email is down as well. I will get back to you when everything is up and running. The site will be up and forums up hopefully within the week. Thanks!
Norm_Li
03-22-2006, 12:15 PM
Hi everyone,
I just got off the phone with Jonathan @ G35.
Don't fret, he was out of town and his harddrive crashed and is currently at a harddrive recovery centre. Thus, his website & email being down. He will have some type of Flash page up within a few days on www.cinemek.com as a temporary site until his harddrive is recovered.
I also spoke with him about the ETA on the G35 units and everything is going quite well with the manufacturing. He's hoping that a bunch of units will be ready by mid to late April for shipment.
Stand by for the greatest 35mm adaptor of all time!
Cheers,
Norm Li
Can't wait, im ready to order.
Ramon Boutviseth
03-22-2006, 01:37 PM
same here
Matthew Bennett
03-22-2006, 08:51 PM
Wow.. did anyone see what happened? This thread turned from Redrock appreciation to a G35 love in all from just a single word from Jon Houser...
I'll never underestimate the power of G35 again!!
But seriously though, those guys better come with edge to edge to edge sharpness and noooo grain... I want my Nikkor to give me Panavision !!
Matthew Bennett
03-22-2006, 08:53 PM
Oh sorry, it's late. I thought I was in the thread where the guy who shot the airport used a redrock and it was killer sharp and that footage ruled. Go look at that quick. Sorry again.
mikedagain
03-22-2006, 10:52 PM
How much is this thing (G35) going to be do you think? Also just so I don't get off subject great stuff man. This guy here really wants a Hvx200. The camera is increditable.
Poi Boy
03-22-2006, 11:09 PM
Looks good.. pretty much like the M2.get it to market;competition is great !
Aloha
-A
Norm_Li
03-23-2006, 07:30 AM
For the G35 itself, it's $999, and the mounts are about $150-175 each...you'll need a lens and camera mount so it comes out to $1300 USD for a basic setup if you don't buy even more additional mounts. Some will buy different camera mounts and lens mounts...
(Like me!)
FatBird19
03-23-2006, 09:29 AM
For the G35 itself, it's $999, and the mounts are about $150-175 each...you'll need a lens and camera mount so it comes out to $1300 USD for a basic setup if you don't buy even more additional mounts. Some will buy different camera mounts and lens mounts...
(Like me!)
Consider the possibility though that it may be more. I think there were pattent issues about the vibrating glass with Dan Diucou(<--sorry dan, don't know how to spell your name) and his machine. Unless the G35 team found a different non-patented method of vibrating the glass or unless Dan just let them use it for free, I wouldn't be suprised if the G35 costs more.
Who knows though, this is all just speculation in my wee little brain. :0
Brian Petersen
03-23-2006, 12:09 PM
I don't understand the world of 35 adapaters much but I have been in love with the footage from the demo G35 and I'm on the waiting list. Now that they are switching to vibrating glass what are the possible comprimises? I would hate for the sharpness to come down because of the vibration, but is loss of sharpness a natural result from moving the ground glass? Maybe I'm way off base.
bgundu
03-23-2006, 12:34 PM
I don't understand the world of 35 adapaters much but I have been in love with the footage from the demo G35 and I'm on the waiting list. Now that they are switching to vibrating glass what are the possible comprimises? I would hate for the sharpness to come down because of the vibration, but is loss of sharpness a natural result from moving the ground glass? Maybe I'm way off base.
It was an issue with the visible grain. According to Cinemek, the vibraing GG has virtually eliminated this problem. I cannot comment if the image will be any softer. I somehow doubt it.
Thanks for posting jesse,
There is always speculation about the g35. I suppose the reason is, is that they haven't finished designing it.
There's no speculation about the quality of the image the product delivers. There's only speculation as to if the product will be delivered.
-rook
R Gale
03-25-2006, 11:18 AM
There's only speculation as to if the product will be delivered.
-rook
It's not a question of if, but a question of when. I'm on their waiting list, so the following is good news:
I just got off the phone with Jonathan @ G35.
...I also spoke with him about the ETA on the G35 units and everything is going quite well with the manufacturing. He's hoping that a bunch of units will be ready by mid to late April for shipment.
:)
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply the units would never ship. I was just joking about how they have taken so long.
They're just making it perfect. And soon they will be insanely rich. It makes a lot of sense to me actually.
There is a whole level of professional TV stuff (like all that mid to low range reality type stuff) that would love to use a 35adapter. The problem is that the ones that fit into their budgets do not offer a respectable enough and dependable quality. And the two that do are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE for their budgets.
It's sad actually. The people who need it, can't afford it and the people who can afford it will just get a higher level camera instead of messing with it.
-rook
Poi Boy
03-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Rook, I don't understand your post... The m2 rocks ! in quality and price.
Aloha
-A
Yeah,
the M2 is awesme looking these days. I agree completely. I'd love one.
The problem is people are still worried about the extra set up time. Remember, most shooters are just starting to think about these things. They don't want to have to "figure something out" on the job. They just want to pop it on and press GO.
I love the M2 footage these days. It makes video not suck.
But seriously, how many productions with guaranteed broadcast are using the M2 right now? Not enough.
I saw two mini35s on set the other day but they were on for one day of the whole season.
If the M2 was pop and play...they'd make WAY more money. I'd probably die cause I'd want one so bad.
know what I mean?
-rook
Digital Angel
03-27-2006, 01:10 AM
Hmmm mabe im gonna sound realy dumb
But what is a 35mm adaptor, im thinking its a lens mount for 35mm still cam lenses.
Also, could you help me to understand the setup that would be involved to get an image as nice as what the clip showed. I liked the cup on the grass with the flower. I come from an SLR background, and have always wished that i could record the image i see in the viewfinder.
How can I achieve that same type of image with the HVX, lenses, mounts etc, throw it at me.
Not too hard tho *bruises easily* :love4:
HowdyDoo
03-27-2006, 01:56 AM
Is there any word on an estimated release date for this adapter? Anything at all? I mean are we talking this year? I can understand not setting a definite release date for fear of upsetting consumers with a false deadline, but can we not get a rough, rough estimate? Summer/Fall 2006? Winter 2006? Spring 2007?
Hmmm mabe im gonna sound realy dumb
But what is a 35mm adaptor, im thinking its a lens mount for 35mm still cam lenses.
Also, could you help me to understand the setup that would be involved to get an image as nice as what the clip showed. I liked the cup on the grass with the flower. I come from an SLR background, and have always wished that i could record the image i see in the viewfinder.
How can I achieve that same type of image with the HVX, lenses, mounts etc, throw it at me.
Not too hard tho *bruises easily* :love4:
A 35adapter allows your vid cam to take SLR lenses or cine lenses. (Depends on the mount.)
And yes you see the DOF in the viewfinder.
It's a great thing.
You can also get a nice DOF by shooting from a distace zoomed in with the stock lens.
-rook
Digital Angel
03-27-2006, 11:38 AM
Cheers Rook
I saw footage from annother adaptor i think, the M2. Wasnt very impressed with the results to be honest, this product seems superior, perhaps the aberations on the M2 image was caused by the poor quality of lens.
I would like to purchase an adaptor for this camera because i have lenses, and if canon cant get their act toggether and offer 25p hi-def with there lens mount system with in the next few days. Id like to be able to fit my lenses to this baby.
Btw, Panasonic just called saying they had a special deal where i can get the PAL camera with 2x 4gig P2 cards for 20400aed this is $5400 or 3179 uk pounds. Is this a great deal, or do u think i can ask for lmore off. If its a steal, il buy tomorrow, and be a happy person.
Any idea how much this adaptor will cost?
When it will be available to the world?
How you controll focus and zoom of ur attached lens on the moove?
And wether its the quality of lens not adaptor that creates Aberations like has happened on the M2 footage?
Cheers :dankk2:
Check out cinemek.com for more info on the G35. (if they are back on line). They are still in development and have not decided on a release date and at this point you cannot order or preorder. Just drool.
If you have the cash check out the MPIC. It is amazing. Holyzoo.com has some hvx + MPIC footage. It is small, grainless, lossless, quiet and expensive as hell.
As far as abberations on the M2....I haven't seen any. All the latest footage I've seen lately has been very crisp. I think they've come a long way. my only problem is with the size and set up of their rig.
-good luck.
-rook
holditnowfilms
03-27-2006, 02:11 PM
As far as I have experienced the M2 is pretty much plug and play. Setting it up was simple. I thought it would be harder and was freaked out because I didn't have access to their tutorial ( another M2 piccadillo ) so we just pulled all the parts out of the box and started looking for a logical way to set it up. 1 hour later we were in business. Not Knowing that the base plate slides from side to side as well as front to back gave us some head scratching moments but once we figured it out we were off to the races.
Having read posts about the M2 and other adapters being hard to set up and use scared me. I was concerned about using it in my feature. Having used it I am happy to say it was easy to set up and adjust. It looks great. Setting back focus was easy as pie and it stays true.
I admit it make the camera heavy but that's mostly the rails and baseplate. A shoulder mount and going hand held will be just like using a the small arri 35mm.
The weight makes the jitters go away in my opinion.
You need a 1st AC and follow focus but you wanted shallow depth of field! Actually I was able to pull focus handheld in a very DOCUMENTARY style. I even got used to seeing the image upside down with some practice. You'd be surprised how fast your brain compensates for stuff. Admittedly a side monitor was better but I'm just sayin'.
Oh and I used a portable DVD player as my monitor. Actually worked pretty good for framing and focus on the run. God bless gaffer tape.
Digital Angel
03-27-2006, 02:31 PM
Upside down? ooh my. *feels stomach going already*
Do u recon this M2 mount will work well with the Fancy Fig Rig, or is it a no go.
cheers :violent5: < oh dear, guess that person must have touched my camera ;)
TimurCivan
03-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Thats an AMazing Price!
Get it!
Cheers Rook
I saw footage from annother adaptor i think, the M2. Wasnt very impressed with the results to be honest, this product seems superior, perhaps the aberations on the M2 image was caused by the poor quality of lens.
I would like to purchase an adaptor for this camera because i have lenses, and if canon cant get their act toggether and offer 25p hi-def with there lens mount system with in the next few days. Id like to be able to fit my lenses to this baby.
Btw, Panasonic just called saying they had a special deal where i can get the PAL camera with 2x 4gig P2 cards for 20400aed this is $5400 or 3179 uk pounds. Is this a great deal, or do u think i can ask for lmore off. If its a steal, il buy tomorrow, and be a happy person.
Any idea how much this adaptor will cost?
When it will be available to the world?
How you controll focus and zoom of ur attached lens on the moove?
And wether its the quality of lens not adaptor that creates Aberations like has happened on the M2 footage?
Cheers :dankk2:
Digital Angel
03-27-2006, 03:25 PM
Was happy when he said that down the phone, mabe will try upgrade to 2x 8gig p2s. would prolly cost same as what you would pay for 2 4 gigs. *crosses fingers*
although after givin me this price, may be a bit cheaky to ask for that. oh no look at the time, must sleep or there will be no camera but the one in my dream tonight.
booth
03-27-2006, 03:59 PM
Btw, Panasonic just called saying they had a special deal where i can get the PAL camera with 2x 4gig P2 cards for 20400aed this is $5400 or 3179 uk pounds. Is this a great deal, or do u think i can ask for lmore off. If its a steal, il buy tomorrow, and be a happy person.
That IS a steal, wish I had that opportunity DA! I got my HVX - along with one 4gb card (arriving tomorrow) for £3665 including VAT - but with that I had to part exchange my DVX also. So £3665/DVX including VAT I paid for my PAL HVX with one 4gb card.
Barry_Green
03-27-2006, 04:07 PM
If you have the cash check out the MPIC. It is amazing. Holyzoo.com has some hvx + MPIC footage. It is small, grainless, lossless, quiet and expensive as hell.
But it's 1/3 the price of a mini35, and about 1/6 the price of a MovieTube, so "expensive" is relative...
But it's 1/3 the price of a mini35, and about 1/6 the price of a MovieTube, so "expensive" is relative...
true. My point is that these devices offer something exciting for indi film makers and by indi I mean without advertising or studio money.
The mini35 is a ridiculous price. So is the Movietube. The mini35 however, can be found with a rental price that isn't prohibative to small budgets which is great. I don't know much about movie tube excpt that it looks enormous and intimidating. Dan's MPIC seems truly amazing to me with it's quality of image and simplicity and as it sits in the group with the Tube and Mini35, you are right, it is very fairly priced.
However, my point still stands that the technology is still TOO expensive for the tier of shooters that it could really embrace it.
If it is a commercial or studio project they simply are NOT going to use these things. And they don't. (generally).
The shooters that would use them can't afford them or don't want a device that'll steal an hour from their already impossible shooting schedule.
We need something fast, easy to use and that doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
I'm not saying that these companies shouldn't charge the prices they charge. They can do what ever they want. and the time in R&D and development is likly a factor in their price. I'm not trying to complain, I'm just being realistic. We have not (yet) reached a place where the technology is good enough and affordable enough for the people who will embrace it.
Right now the only viable option looks like the M2 and it is still scary. An hour set-up for a newbie? TOO LONG.
You know how producers think. If there is a reason for them to veto a piece of gear they will. And right now, ALL the adapters have at least one good reason to be VETOed.
-rook
holditnowfilms
03-27-2006, 11:58 PM
true. My point is that these devices offer something exciting for indi film makers and by indi I mean without advertising or studio money.
The mini35 is a ridiculous price. So is the Movietube. The mini35 however, can be found with a rental price that isn't prohibative to small budgets which is great. I don't know much about movie tube excpt that it looks enormous and intimidating. Dan's MPIC seems truly amazing to me with it's quality of image and simplicity and as it sits in the group with the Tube and Mini35, you are right, it is very fairly priced.
However, my point still stands that the technology is still TOO expensive for the tier of shooters that it could really embrace it.
If it is a commercial or studio project they simply are NOT going to use these things. And they don't. (generally).
The shooters that would use them can't afford them or don't want a device that'll steal an hour from their already impossible shooting schedule.
We need something fast, easy to use and that doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
I'm not saying that these companies shouldn't charge the prices they charge. They can do what ever they want. and the time in R&D and development is likly a factor in their price. I'm not trying to complain, I'm just being realistic. We have not (yet) reached a place where the technology is good enough and affordable enough for the people who will embrace it.
Right now the only viable option looks like the M2 and it is still scary. An hour set-up for a newbie? TOO LONG.
You know how producers think. If there is a reason for them to veto a piece of gear they will. And right now, ALL the adapters have at least one good reason to be VETOed.
-rook
Keep in mind that one hour is for the first time you set it up and get it calibrated and all that. I also had a follow focus to install so add that in. WE took our time because without instructions you don't want to break anything.
Producers will wet themselves when they see the results and can sell the production value.
The more you use the gear the faster and more confident you will become using it. Commercials and proffesional productions may not use this gear but that only makes it better for those of us who do.
I remember when digital effects and digital matte paintings were no used by the pro's and here I was cranking out 3-6 fx shots a week for a tv series using a old powermac doing work that guys with a million dollar quantel and a million dollar flame said couldn't be done.
For some reason people in this industry are resistant to change and love to cling on to old technology like baby to a tit.
Poi Boy
03-28-2006, 12:13 AM
I got my M2 / HVX for commercials. (I am in a small market ) I think once I shoot enough spec stuff with it to show around, I am going to be very busy with it. I have said many times that it has a bit of a learning curve to it ( much more than an hour ), but so what ? it is fun. Once you know what to do with it producers are going to love how it looks. they don't need to know how to work the thing, that is why they will hire me. Holditnowfilms is right... industry folks resist change and have to be hit over the head a few times before they come around. Kind of amusing really.
Aloha
-A
Kind of amusing. But more frustrating than anything....
I agree that the limited use of these things is a benefit to those of us that have access to an adapter. I'm secretly pleased about that.
It just drives me nuts that these things are still floating in the middle. They are so necessary.
I love the look they get. I'm sure you agree that once you strap one on to your cam it is almost impossible to take it off. Straight video just kills your eyes even worse once you use an adapter.
-rook