Canopus Broadcast 30 Day trial available

[Jarred Land]

Hey everyone, Canopus today release a trial version of thier Broadcast Edius 3, so PC people now have an option that arn't in the AVID camp.

http://www.canopus.com/products/demos/index.php


.Canopus Offers Trial Version of EDIUS Pro 3 Realtime Video Editing Software


EDIUS trial also includes a sample of EDIUS Broadcast features

San Jose, Calif. (March 15, 2006) – Canopus, a part of the Grass Valley(tm) business within Thomson (Euronext Paris: 18453; NYSE: TM), today launched a new 30-day trial of its EDIUS NLE software, which gives customers access to EDIUS Pro 3 v3.6.1 features, including native 1080i, 1080p and 720p HDV support and realtime mixed-format editing. This trial version also offers a sample of EDIUS Broadcast features, such as advanced metadata support, realtime native editing and I/O support for standard definition Sony XDCAM and standard, as well as high definition, Panasonic DVCPRO P2, the format used in the popular Panasonic AG-HVX200 camera. Customers can download the software trial (also available on CD) from the company's Web site at www.canopus.com (http://www.canopus.com).

“Just one look will get editors enthusiastic about EDIUS Pro 3 v3.61 and EDIUS Broadcast,” said Hiro Yamada, founder and CEO of Canopus. “This 30-day trial will show video professionals that EDIUS is an ideal solution for high-volume production houses that require mixed SD and HD format support with the highest quality output, yet need to produce finished, edited content quickly.”

EDIUS Pro 3 nonlinear editing software provides native editing and realtime processing of uncompressed SD, HD, HDV, DV, MPEG-2, and MPEG-1 formats. With its seamless realtime workflow, EDIUS Pro 3 lets professionals mix and share video content in multiple HD and SD formats and work with unlimited video, audio and effects layers, while providing realtime high-quality, on-screen display. EDIUS Pro 3 delivers increased quality and realtime performance through the company’s acclaimed variable-bitrate Canopus HQ codec. EDIUS Pro 3 includes professional features, such as realtime batch capture from 1080i HDV cameras and decks, advanced audio tools and precise color correction controls, designed to help editors create the highest quality productions. EDIUS Pro 3 is also included with Canopus’s line of EDIUS hardware and software editing solutions, including EDIUS NX.

About Canopus
Canopus products include digital video and graphics solutions for video professionals and enthusiasts. These products combine innovative hardware and software designs to set new standards in performance, functionality and reliability. Industry leaders worldwide recognize advanced Canopus HD, HDV, DV and MPEG codec technologies, which are featured in acclaimed video editing solutions, transcoding products and network-based video distribution systems. A strategic product line, Canopus solutions are part of the Grass Valley business of Thomson (Euronext Paris: 18453: NYSE: TMS). For more information contact Canopus at (408) 954-4500 or visit www.canopus.com (http://www.canopus.com).

[ro_max]

Thanks, Jarred. Downloading...

[Jarred Land]

yes.. Edius looks very promising.

[SalaTar]

Dude that is the Po poo

[stabwound]

I've just downloaded it.

Thanks for the heads up.... it might be a good alternative to Avid or spending big bucks on FCP and Mac.

Dear Lord... I hope it supports streaming capture.... I'm still waiting for my p2 card to ship..... I've had my HVX for 3 days now... can't do anything with it except for DV.... and I want to keep those tape heads virginal....

[stabwound]

Hey!

While the press release quotes support for the HVX p2 format, I don't see it on the selection list when creating a new project... I see only DV and HDV.

I've tried to dig up info from Canopus Forum... but my Hotmail was rejected and I couldn't do a search.

I'll try their support next...

Meanwhile, if anyone has the demo running successfully with the Hvx let us know!

Cindy (my HVX) is hot and ready to rock....

[baquajim]

I had the same problem, I can't figure out how to get the P2 stuff working.

Anyone?

[mule ferguson]

I have the purchased version of Broadcast up and running. It was and upgrade to the Edius 3.61 NX systen I have been useing for over a year and, have been well pleased with its performance. The Broadcast software performs wonderfull with the HVX .
The P2 card can be used by clicking the Edius Logo in the left top corner. it will open up a menu that let you download the P2 footage if you have the camera hooked with the USB connect.
Hope this helps.

Mule Ferguson
Edius Broadcast

[Mark Sullivan II]

Demo?...is it crippled in some way?...logo embedded like raylight has?

Mark

[Pascal_Parvex]

Is direct capture possible? Because otherwise I can't record any HD until the Firestore is out. As I won't pay those P2 prices.

[baquajim]

Demo?...is it crippled in some way?...logo embedded like raylight has?

Mark


It is a thirty day trial, I don't know if after thirty days it ceases to work or what.

I know everytime you boot it up, it asks you to register and pay and tells you how many days you have left.

[Mark Sullivan II]

ty baq

[stabwound]

I have the purchased version of Broadcast up and running. It was and upgrade to the Edius 3.61 NX systen I have been useing for over a year and, have been well pleased with its performance. The Broadcast software performs wonderfull with the HVX .
The P2 card can be used by clicking the Edius Logo in the left top corner. it will open up a menu that let you download the P2 footage if you have the camera hooked with the USB connect.
Hope this helps.

Mule Ferguson
Edius Broadcast


Thanks for the tip.

Clicking on logo>menu>tools>p2 select lets me HVX files... either from a folder I create, or possibly from the p2 card in the camera via usb.

Is direct capture possible from the camera via firewire? I don't have a p2 card yet. I may want to capture to laptop also....

[KCarey]

We can capture 480 live with no problem but nothing beyond that - We do not have any P2 cards as well and I'm wondering if that's the issue???

[bhiga]

Hi guys, gals and super-intelligent bots,

Just popped into give some quick answers on some of the things that were brought up so far. Please don't expect me to stick around here much (though it does seem to be a pleasant place), as I'm quite busy with our own forum, but I thought it would be polite and worthwhile to answer the ones that haven't already been answered by the other users here (some of whom are familiar to me).

1. What happens when the demo trial period ends?
After the 30 day period, the application and its components will no longer launch. At that point you should uninstall the trial, as it's not "upgradable" to a full version via activation code or the like. Sorry, that's just the way it was built.
Your project files and other assets are fine, and if you take them to a machine with a running EDIUS version, they'll load, assuming the running version has all the features you're using. For example, if you're using HD P2 clips, they wouldn't necessarilly load in EDIUS Pro but they'd load fine in EDIUS Broadcast.

2. How do I work with my P2 stuff when there's no P2 project setting?
An important thing to understand about EDIUS is that it doesn't have a real editing format that it conforms everything to. The project settings define the processed framerate and resolution only. That's why you can freely mix DV, HDV, and other heterogenous formats together. Sources are decompressed, adjusted to the project framesize and framerate, but they're not being recompressed.
Recompression only happens when you make EDIUS render - either temporary timeline renders, or rendering the timeline for output.
Thus, the available project settings are simply common resolutions and framerates for SD and HD projects.
Now before you go off and choose a 1920x1080 project, remember that save for synthesized (3D animation, titles, etc) content, all of the common digital 1080i HD formats are subsampled. HDV and HDCAM are 1440x1080, DVCPRO HD (incl. HD P2) is 1280x1080.
Consequently, for your HVX stuff, you'd be best working in a 1280x1080 project. It's a lot more efficient since there's less data.

3. How do I get my P2 stuff in?
EDIUS has a tool for that called P2 Select. You can access it by clicking the EDIUS word at the top, or through the drop-down or context (right-click) menu in the Bin.
P2 Select will let you use clips directly from P2 media or it can copy them to local storage. Generally speaking, if you're working with multiple clips simultaneously (layering/compositing), you should copy at least some of them to local storage or you'll run out of bandwidth trying to get the data from the P2 media.

4. My P2 clips don't have audio.
Perhaps you directly loaded an MXF file? You really should use P2 Select so all the associated pieces are loaded together.

5. How do I get my P2 stuff back out to P2 media?
When you go to Export File, choose the P2 Exporter.

6. What about my metadata? Can I change it?
P2 metadata is preserved with the clip and shows up in the Expansion Info tab of the clip properties. Metadata is also preserved when exporting back out to P2.
No, you can't change the metadata from EDIUS, but you already should have the means to via Panasonic's tool.

7. How do I get a bigger preview?
Scale the Monitor window. It'll scale to a very large degree. If you're short on screen space you can also switch the Monitor window to Single view.
However, remember that even scaled to full resolution, the on-computer preview is not entirely representative of your actual output. That's why we have EDIUS hardware boards to display the output in its full native HD video glory.

8. What's this about EDIUS 4?
Nothing has been stated about the existence of EDIUS 4. All is rumor and speculation right now. I cannot comment on anything related to EDIUS 4 lest it be scrapped due to rumors of its existence (think "gone turtle").

9. I can't register for the Canopus forum because I have an email that it doesn't like.
Well... we had some trolling and ludicrous split-personality problems a while back, so we're "shy" about free email.
That said, a non-free email is only required for the initial registration. You can change the email in your profile after you're registered.
And if you really don't have a non-free email (yes, I know AOL technically isn't free), then you can always give our sales folks a call, or send a polite email to request an account.

10. How do I try this stuff out?
Trial version is available for download from the Canopus website (http://www.canopus.com/). If you're low-bandwidth, you can also request the trial on CD from our friendly salesfolk.

11. Is there a Mac version?
No, sorry, but it seems someone just won a nice prize for figuring out how to boot Windows XP on the new Intel-based Macs...

12. Can I capture directly from the HVX camcorder?
Unless they come out with additional compression schemes or options, only in DV, as HD P2 is a filesystem. In theory DVCPRO HD could be sent live through FireWire, but you all would know better than me whether the HVX can do that.

Hope that helps you out.

Brandon

[Jarred Land]

thanks Brandon for coming by.

[mule ferguson]

Brandon. Glad you came on Board. I have been trying to help. but I'm only a 6 week user of Broadcast. I talked to James last week and said we needed someone to come on board. He said you guys were busy, busy busy, and I understand. I believe the train is ready to leave the station. Again thanks for posting.

Mule Ferguson
Pumpkin Creek Video

[Barry_Green]

Confirmed that Edius can capture 1080/60i and 720/60p DVCPRO-HD through live capture.

[bhiga]

Hi Mule,

I recognize you from our forums. Thanks for answering the ?'s here.

Brandon

[Pascal_Parvex]

Confirmed that Edius can capture 1080/60i and 720/60p DVCPRO-HD through live capture.

Well, great, but how? Importing from P2 cards seems simple, but live capture? I can't even select DVCPro HD. All I can do is capture DV, but I can use freeware for that...

[KCarey]

Confirmed that Edius can capture 1080/60i and 720/60p DVCPRO-HD through live capture.

What is the secret - care to share your Edius/HVX settings :) I was nearing the point of giving up hehe

[mule ferguson]

OK Barry I will purchase the new book. How much? Thanks for taking the time from your busy busy busy to figure this out. You D Man! I believe we are beginning the new beginning. Whatever that means. I'm still tired from my 14 hour shoot in Brevard, NC. yeasterday. All footage shot in 720p overcrank. except some footage shot for the sound. More ? on this in another post.

Cecil B DeMule

[Barry_Green]

The key is to recognize that DVCPRO-HD in Canopus is not called DVCPRO-HD, it's called Canopus HD (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE CANOPUS HQ high-def codec!). So just plug the HVX in, go to the capture input settings and choose OHCI, then go to the settings and choose Canopus HD 1080/60i. Or Canopus HD 720/60p, etc.

Also, for DVCPRO50, they call it Canopus SD50. And yes, you can live firewire capture it too.

But it definitely works.

[KCarey]

Maybe I am blind but I do not see those options - can you provide a screen grab?

[Pascal_Parvex]

The key is to recognize that DVCPRO-HD in Canopus is not called DVCPRO-HD, it's called Canopus HD (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE CANOPUS HQ high-def codec!). So just plug the HVX in, go to the capture input settings and choose OHCI, then go to the settings and choose Canopus HD 1080/60i. Or Canopus HD 720/60p, etc.

There's no such setting. And I suppose I know why, because to edit HD, apart from HDV, you need the dongle, as mentioned in another thread, otherwise HD won't be unlocked. So this demo is pointless for the HVX.

[stabwound]

Barry... are you using the demo or the real version?

I don't see the settings you describe.

I see the P2 select in the tools menu and that's about it.

[Barry_Green]

I've got the real version, with the dongle. Hmm. Well, I guess that's a question for Mr. Higa.

But nevertheless I can confirm that it does work.

[crashoverride]

Hey Guys.
I know i know. I'm new on the forum, but might be of some help 2 you. We have the Canopus Agency in Cape Town SA. As far as i know, the demo version is only SD & HDV Capeble. They have disabled the HD support in the trail. We have just installed the Broadcast version and i must say it ROCKS.
Had a little bit of an issue with the output via NX Card, but found out that it is only capable of outputing true HD via the NX Card. Keep on getting a message PCI Bus Busy Error. SP Card will sort out the component output though.

Will go and test the trail on my laptop again and give you more feedback.

[KCarey]

There's no such setting. And I suppose I know why, because to edit HD, apart from HDV, you need the dongle, as mentioned in another thread, otherwise HD won't be unlocked. So this demo is pointless for the HVX.
Disappointing because I thought the demo allowed you to test all the features including DVCPro support ... and capture ;)

I just want to know if Edius can live capture 720/30P and I'll be happy ;)

[Andreas]

In the DEMO version the 720p 24p pizza MXF clip that can be found at http://hvx200.moctel.com/Users/cre8tive/Sundance%20HVX%20MXF%20files/ plays just fine when I import it in to a HDV 720p 24p timeline but with no sound. I know that I suppose to import it through EdiusLogo/Tools/P2 select, but the file seems invisible to Edius when I open the folder. But try to make more then one transition and away goes real time :crybaby: (I have a laptop 3ghz 2gbram nvidiaGforceGo6800 256mb WinXPPRO RAID0 and MXF file plus project stored in 2 external 7200 HD)
Personaly I dont like many things about Edius and I just wish Adobe make a workable solution for Premiere some time soon cause I dont thing I am going to waste any time searhing for the infamous hidden menus. I am rather dissapointed cause I wished and bileved that we really had a workable solution or do we ? I doupt... Bottom line, with my curent setup and if the specific MXF file is not corrupted I canot edit in real time with edius, plus that I don't really feel like doing it cause of his personality :badputer: ... I am just wating to hear more comments, and please when you say IT WORKED or IT SUCKED mention also your PC specs and not just only the CPU power. HVX users reports are apreciated.

[bhiga]

@Andreas:
P2Select expects to find a P2 filestructure.
Can you mimic one (you can even use the sample P2 clip download as reference) and try it?
If it's really 720p data in there, there may be other oddities.
There's a difference in how the clip is handled between the two methods. Generally speaking, importing via Import in the Bin will not have audio.

@stabwound:
Canopus HD is the DVCPRO HD compliant software codec.
A few questions:
You didn't have EDIUS installed previously, did you?
Are you in a Canopus HD project setting?
Does Canopus HD show up as a capture setting for Generic OHCI capture?


Wow - I really like this graemlin!!
:nads:
We need one of these for the Canopus forums... as a user avatar.
:Drogar-Evil(DBG):

Brandon

[Andreas]

bhiga:

I don't really know how to mimic a P2 structure and actulally I cannot uderstand why... I mean allow me to believe that when you import a file in a NLE software trhought file/import, the file should play if it is suported. Plus if this is the case, how we supose to play the samples canopus has in their website, it is an MXF file, right ? (I havent downloaded those since are only P2 1080/50i/60i and I am intresting in 24p or 25p. ) Thanks for your time.

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

Similar to AVI and QuickTime, MXF is a "container" of sorts. Different devices write different data into MXF, so EDIUS isn't guaranteed to import all MXF files.
We support P2, VariCam and XDCAM MXF files currently.

In the case of P2 MXF files, there are a number of different separate files that together comprise the various elements of a clip. For example, there might be different audio tracks associated with a video clip. That's why directly importing video clip MXFs usually end up not having audio, because the import only grabs the selected clip.

When you import via P2Select, it scans the P2 filestructure and grabs all the associated files of a clip together.

Brandon

[Andreas]

bhiga:

The fanny thing is that Edius doesnt see the file AT ALL, is this the way it is suposse to happen ? Again, this is suppose to be a 720p 24p MXF file that comes straight out of from an HVX200, and yes I am not sure that the file is 100%OK (if you have a fast connection I will apreciate a lot if you can give it a try) but thats the only thing I personaly have available at the moment, Canopus should have a P2 720p24p also at their site, but well no one is perfect ! I have gave my gongratulations for canopus in the past cause the info on the website gives the impression that this company has a respect for the client. Their is not such a thing as sample files for download at Adobe's website, thats for sure.
Do you believe that a PC system like mine should work fine with Edius ? Many people here seem satisfied if it gives real time playback/capturing and of caurse this is indeed a good start to beggin with, but what about real world editing :) Does anyone has ever edit 720p24p25p MXF files without spending some few extra thousand dollars in hardware. Don't get me wrong here, and if it only does the job with realy expensive harware its fine, but many people including me are left with the impression that a PC like the one I have is capable of doing the job also without problems. I am on a budget. Thanks again.

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

P2Select looks for the P2 filestructure, so it will not see MXF files that are not in the proper places in the filestructure.

The bin import should see MXF files as clips, otherwise try "All Files." It may not let you import them, but it should at least show them in the list of clip files.

Actually, VariCam MXF should be 720p... but I haven't seen how VariCam arranges its files.

I'm sure Canopus Japan has a P2 camera, but I'm in Canopus US, and we're just a sales/marketing/support office, so... Then again, we're part of Grass Valley/Thomson, now so maybe things will change?

So the MXF file is from an HVX camera? Probably it's just missing the filestructure - or maybe the file doesn't have audio at all. If it's standard P2 recording, the audio and video files are stored separately.

Your laptop sounds good enough for at least basic editing. I would be wary about thermal throttling of the CPU though. It really depends on what you're doing. Working with multiple video tracks and filters put increasing load on the system.
Of course, you can still render the parts that don't play back in realtime.

Brandon

[bhiga]

Here's the basic P2 filestructure
\CONTENTS\ICON\ (some .BMPs)
\CONTENTS\AUDIO\ (some .MXFs)
\CONTENTS\CLIP\ (some .XMLs)
\CONTENTS\VIDEO\ (some .MXFs)


So, maybe the pizza file is just from \CONTENTS\VIDEO and only contains video?

P2Select looks for all the folders to 'assemble' the parts of the clips together.

Note that if you have copied content from a P2 card to a local drive/folder, P2Select should be pointed to the folder above the CONTENTs folder, so it "sees" the whole filestructure.

Brandon

[Richard__Knight]

Hey Guys.
I know i know. I'm new on the forum, but might be of some help 2 you. We have the Canopus Agency in Cape Town SA. As far as i know, the demo version is only SD & HDV Capeble. They have disabled the HD support in the trail. We have just installed the Broadcast version and i must say it ROCKS.
Had a little bit of an issue with the output via NX Card, but found out that it is only capable of outputing true HD via the NX Card. Keep on getting a message PCI Bus Busy Error. SP Card will sort out the component output though.

Will go and test the trail on my laptop again and give you more feedback.

If the Trial version doesn't do the job of capturing HD streaming data from our HVX200's, then why try it? WHY?

I'm not going to go with a program just because someone else raves about it. I've been down that road before. Until I see the program ... WORK, I'll hold on to my cash.

All I can say is that I now have a super nice mantle piece of equipment UNTIL I can find some adequate software that can handle the streaming data output of an HVX200.

---
BTW, after hearing about a good deal here in Austin on an HVX200 (no names mentioned) I dropped by their office to see one. Arriving I was told that the price was about $500 dollars more than the amount previously quoted just the day before. Apparently I was quoted the pre-order price. Well surprise surprise. Feeling motivated I decided to save a BUNDLE by going directly to Shinjuku Tokyo, Japan and personally picked up one myself. Thanks to Mr. ncje (dvxuser member) who referenced PV-Station.com (Professional Video Station Shinjuku), I returned home with a spanking brand new HVX200. Yes, they had P2 Cards available at a very competitive price -- but I opted not to buy any for the moment. hmm... Perhaps I should have, though... had I only known how much of a PROBlem I'd have software wise.

[for_mlove]

Andreas, if Canopus imports P2 material like Liquid does, you don't select the MXF file out of the video folder. If you do, you only get video and it might not work well. You have to import the XML file from the Clip folder and it points to the appropriate video and audio files. I can't confirm this as I don't have the Broadcast version of Canopus trial installed yet.

Bhiga, I was under the impression that the new trial version of Edius Broadcast would allow for P2 support without the dongle, can you confirm this?

Thanks!

[stabwound]

@Andreas:

@stabwound:
Canopus HD is the DVCPRO HD compliant software codec.
A few questions:
You didn't have EDIUS installed previously, did you?
Are you in a Canopus HD project setting?
Does Canopus HD show up as a capture setting for Generic OHCI capture?


Wow - I really like this graemlin!!
:nads:
We need one of these for the Canopus forums... as a user avatar.
:Drogar-Evil(DBG):

Brandon


I do not have Edius installed previously.

I am in the project setting.... very first screen after choosing "new project".... under OHCI list.... there is NO Canopus HD.... only variations of DV and HDV show....

Is project setting = capture setting?

In order to continue to the next menu, I must choose either DV or HDV.... there is nothing else.:(

Are you using the demo?

[Barry_Green]

Here's a step-by-step on how to set up Edius Broadcast for capturing streaming footage from the HVX.

Start Edius Broadcast. Choose "new project".

Choose any of the following presets:
Canopus HD 1080/60i
Canopus HD 1080/30p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24pA over 60i
Canopus HD 720/60p
Canopus HD 720/23.976p over 59.94p
Canopus HD 720/29.97p over 59.94p

(obviously, choose the one that matches the footage you shot).

In your project you'll have two monitor windows; click on the drop-down box above the left monitor window and choose "Generic OHCI - Input." It'll bring up the "Input Settings" dialogue box. In there, choose "Canopus HD 1080/60i" for 1080 modes, or choose "Canopus HD 720/60p" for 720p mode.

Note, there's also a "Canopus HD 720/60p Constant Rate Shooting over 59.94p" preset; that may offer capturing only the chosen frames but I haven't tried that yet.

If you've got your HVX attached and in the proper mode, you should see a live image show up in that left window. Then just click the red capture button and you'll be capturing live streaming HD to your hard disk.

[Malcolm Wright]

Hi all,

Thanks for making the demo available.
The first thing I have to mention is that I got considerably better performance playing back my 720p24 footage in Canopus, compared with all the other playbacks I have tried so far (P2 viewer, Avid, Raylight). My Dell M60 (1.7ghz centrino) played back very close to real time: close enough for me to be happy with it.
The audio stuttered a little though, probably in time with the image playback stuttering: I found this disturbing and would like to know if there is a setting that can cause audio playback to be smooth and continous?

Applying a color balance effect to the clip, I noticed that there was no way to toggle the preview of the effect on and off. The button that seemed to claim that was its function had no effect at all and the effect was previewed at all times. Any suggestions?

I must be missing something, but Edius declares the resolution of my 720 footage as 960 * 720 (under video tab of clip properties)... I'm not sure why it isn't 1280 * 720...

I know this is purely a matter of personal taste, but I warmed to the Edius layout and flow ten times faster than I did to Avid. I find it to be far more intuitive, and was able to feel my way through everything I wanted to achieve with my first play.

Again, thank you for the trial, ye Canopus people.

M.

[Barry_Green]

960x720 is the proper size for DVCPRO-HD 720p.

[stabwound]

Here's a step-by-step on how to set up Edius Broadcast for capturing streaming footage from the HVX.

Start Edius Broadcast. Choose "new project".

Choose any of the following presets:
Canopus HD 1080/60i
Canopus HD 1080/30p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24p over 60i
Canopus HD 1080/24pA over 60i
Canopus HD 720/60p
Canopus HD 720/23.976p over 59.94p
Canopus HD 720/29.97p over 59.94p

(obviously, choose the one that matches the footage you shot).

In your project you'll have two monitor windows; click on the drop-down box above the left monitor window and choose "Generic OHCI - Input." It'll bring up the "Input Settings" dialogue box. In there, choose "Canopus HD 1080/60i" for 1080 modes, or choose "Canopus HD 720/60p" for 720p mode.

Note, there's also a "Canopus HD 720/60p Constant Rate Shooting over 59.94p" preset; that may offer capturing only the chosen frames but I haven't tried that yet.

If you've got your HVX attached and in the proper mode, you should see a live image show up in that left window. Then just click the red capture button and you'll be capturing live streaming HD to your hard disk.

Barry, your help is much appreciated.

I have no P2 card yet (it's on order) so the only way I can do HD is through streaming from the HVX to computer.... and I am using the demo. I am pretty sure those who have the real version will see a different menu. Here's my menu when I get to project settings:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/petermhsu/canopus.jpg

No mention of Canopus HD. Proceeding with HDV setting will doom the HVX.

I tried regular DV with the HVX and it works ok.

Do you have to reconfigure the HVX for firewire streaming.... or is it automatic?

Thanks.

[Barry_Green]

Streaming is automatic.

Did you download the Edius 3.61 demo, or the Edius Broadcast demo? What you're showing there doesn't match what I've got (as illustrated by the post above).

Broadcast is 3.61, plus more. Make sure you got the Broadcast demo, and not the regular Edius 3.61 demo.

[stabwound]

Streaming is automatic.

Did you download the Edius 3.61 demo, or the Edius Broadcast demo? What you're showing there doesn't match what I've got (as illustrated by the post above).

Broadcast is 3.61, plus more. Make sure you got the Broadcast demo, and not the regular Edius 3.61 demo.


Gaaawwwd..... I'm so embarrassed. I got the wrong demo.

Proceeding to download again.....

SooorrrrYY!!

[stabwound]

Wait a minute.

I'm in the Canopus Download area.... there's only one version of demo available for downloading... no mention of broadcast.... here's the tagline:


EDIUS NLE Software Demo: Free 30-day trial of the acclaimed nonlinear editing software. This trial version permits users to test every single feature within EDIUS Pro 3, as well as the features within the EDIUS Broadcast upgrade. (Due to licensing restrictions, TitleMotion Pro is not included with this trial).

Dang, I got embarrassed for nothing.

Malcolm Wright... seems like you got the demo to work (or at least got the right version....) gimme some HEEELLLPPP!

[Barry_Green]

Okay, here's another neat thing about Edius Broadcast... you know all those .mov's that were posted in the native codec by Mac users? The ones that you cannot play on a PC because all you get is a white screen?

Edius Broadcast will play 'em.

[stabwound]

Well folks....

I've been through the Canopus download site with a fine toothcomb... hoping I missed the Edius Broadcast demo somehow, but it's not there.

The only one available for download is Edius Pro 3, with a blurb that it has features of Broadcast in it.

If someone finds Broadcast, please lemme know.

An email (automated, probably) from Canopus came back about my HVX support queries... it just said, "Please upgrade to Broadcast."

I'm giving up on Canopus for the moment.

I'll check out how the HVX does on regular DV.... on my ancient Premiere.

[Andreas]

stabwound:

I have downloaded the same version, and yes that's the only avalaible. They didn't give the full pakage for obvious reasons. And I don't know if you can capture live. And yes, there is a lot of testing that has to be done with Edius for all of as to go and spend 1000$.

Barry:
Can you tell us your PC specs please?

[Malcolm Wright]

Malcolm Wright... seems like you got the demo to work (or at least got the right version....) gimme some HEEELLLPPP!

Hey!

I get the same presets as you do in the project dialogue.
Just go ahead and choose an hdv format. Then click on the edius logo and use the p2 select dialogue to pull in your p2 clips.

I think the project settings are merely the output settings: it seems a project can contain all sorts of different formats, but the setting you choose in the project dialogue is what it all gets conformed to for output... That's what I've understood. Might be wrong. If I'm right, then maybe only the full version allows you to output dvcprohd... either way, you can still pull in your clips with this version.

I haven't tried streaming...

Beware, me helping you is a severe case of the blind leading the blind...

:)

M.

[stabwound]

Hey!

I get the same presets as you do in the project dialogue.
Just go ahead and choose an hdv format. Then click on the edius logo and use the p2 select dialogue to pull in your p2 clips.

I think the project settings are merely the output settings: it seems a project can contain all sorts of different formats, but the setting you choose in the project dialogue is what it all gets conformed to for output... That's what I've understood. Might be wrong. If I'm right, then maybe only the full version allows you to output dvcprohd... either way, you can still pull in your clips with this version.

I haven't tried streaming...

Beware, me helping you is a severe case of the blind leading the blind...

:)

M.


Well, thanks for responding, Malcolm.

This demo works if you have the p2 card to pull footage from.

For folks who want to use laptops for streaming, or myself, who's waiting for my P2 to ship, it's a bit of a bust.

I hope to do a lot of in studio greenscreen work, and streaming looks like a good method.

Anyways, Edius is on the top of my list. Avid and FCP+hardware is a bit out of reach budgetwise. A good working demo of Edius would have made my decision for me.

[Malcolm Wright]

Well, thanks for responding, Malcolm.

This demo works if you have the p2 card to pull footage from.

For folks who want to use laptops for streaming, or myself, who's waiting for my P2 to ship, it's a bit of a bust.

I hope to do a lot of in studio greenscreen work, and streaming looks like a good method.

Anyways, Edius is on the top of my list. Avid and FCP+hardware is a bit out of reach budgetwise. A good working demo of Edius would have made my decision for me.

I hear you.
The demo was good to look at... I'm on the fence at this stage but its ok because I don't have to make a decision until the fall.

Until now I was leaning towards buying a Mac and FCP. Edius has given me something to think about, but there's no way I would buy their product at this stage, without hearing and seeing more about it - even though I like what I see so far. I guess that's the power of such a wide user base: FCP just inspires trust...

But this demo has put Edius on the map for me.

Cheers,
M

[Norval]

stabwound (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=8701),

I have an HVX200 and Canopus Broadcast. Works flawless! I can't really tell you anything about the demo version? Did you have the P2 drivers installed before you installed Canopus? This was stated to do in the manual. Maybe this is the problem?

Good luck!

[Norval]

You don't need to have a P2 card to use the canopus p2 option, as i usually dump my P2s to hard drive and edit. just make sure that you use the P2 file settings so you have no problems with audio. Just go to P2 Select in the tools menu and add folder

Cheers

[Barry_Green]

Can you tell us your PC specs please?
Pentium M 760 2.00ghz laptop Dell Inspiron 9300 with 1GB ram.

Initially I had success with capturing, but now it keeps whining that my hard drive is too slow. I'll have to plug in the g-raid and see if that cleans things up.

[Andreas]

G-raid...:( great ! What next ? In my case it refuses to go on ocasionaly without explanation. Plus my shuttleXpress seams to slow things down. Barry, being 100%honest: I don't care if G-raid, dual core CPU, even special harware happens to be a nesecity for a NLE to work with DVCPROHD or HDV. But it bothers me a lot that every company trys to convince me that its not. Recently a friend has bought Adobe PPRO2 wich has oficially been said that has HDV native suport ony to find out that this is not the case. And now I hear from you that from the second day you have Edius you are starting to use G-raid. I just hope thats the only problem you are going to face, but I doubt it.

[Barry_Green]

Well, I didn't really expect to be able to capture 100 megabit HD to a laptop's internal drive, I mean, that's a bit extreme.

And a G-Raid is cheap; $500 for 500GB. But I haven't tried it yet, I don't know whether it works with it or not.

[stabwound]

You don't need to have a P2 card to use the canopus p2 option, as i usually dump my P2s to hard drive and edit. just make sure that you use the P2 file settings so you have no problems with audio. Just go to P2 Select in the tools menu and add folder

Cheers

Thanks for the helping hand, Norval. I don't have the P2 as it is still on order from my dealer (out of stock) so I can't even capture to P2 to dump on harddrive.

My only hope at the moment is stream capture, and it doesn't seem to work. :crybaby:

[Andreas]

Well, I didn't really expect to be able to capture 100 megabit HD to a laptop's internal drive, I mean, that's a bit extreme.

And a G-Raid is cheap; $500 for 500GB. But I haven't tried it yet, I don't know whether it works with it or not.

http://www.g-technology.com/Support/Compat.cfm

I don't see Edius listed here. Keep as posted.

[JWinter]

[QUOTE=

---
BTW, after hearing about a good deal here in Austin on an HVX200 (no names mentioned) I dropped by their office to see one. Arriving I was told that the price was about $500 dollars more than the amount previously quoted just the day before. Apparently I was quoted the pre-order price. Well surprise surprise. Feeling motivated I decided to save a BUNDLE by going directly to Shinjuku Tokyo, Japan and personally picked up one myself. Thanks to Mr. ncje (dvxuser member) who referenced PV-Station.com (Professional Video Station Shinjuku), I returned home with a spanking brand new HVX200. Yes, they had P2 Cards available at a very competitive price -- but I opted not to buy any for the moment. hmm... Perhaps I should have, though... had I only known how much of a PROBlem I'd have software wise.[/QUOTE]


so how much is it in Japan?????????? In USD

[Richard__Knight]

so how much is it in Japan?????????? In USD


at PV-Station.com (Actually ... Professional Video Station), located in Shinjuku Tokyo Japan (on the west side of the train loop around downtown), their price as posted on the internet is 486,524 yen which converts directly out to approx 4,196.9 dollars, give or take a few (the rate changes daily). Also, you've got to take into account the cost of making the purchase, ... perhaps 2% with the AMEX. Forget about using Mastercard or Visa. The Japanese end of MC / Visa will not! allow (I tried) the transaction to go through (security reason)... but Amex will (same company internationally).

This is where I purchased my HVX200.... and from what the guys there told me, there have been quite a few people making the trek to Tokyo from abroad to get this particular camera.

One thing folks should know is that none of the guys there speak English, or American... hehe. You'll have to provide your own translator.

Note... the warranty is serviced in Japan and there wasn't an extended warranty offered.

refs to back up the posted numbers...
http://pv-station.com/ag_hvx200/
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=486524&from=JPY&to=USD&submit=Convert

[bhiga]

The EDIUS 30-day demo that was available prior to March 15, 2006 was EDIUS Pro v3.61.

The current EDIUS 30-day demo (since March 15, 2006) is EDIUS Pro v3.61 with Broadcast features, so it is essentially EDIUS Broadcast v3.61 trial.

The EDIUS Broadcast v3.61 trial does allow use of P2 without the dongle. Of course, until the trial ends.

Brandon

[Richard__Knight]

The EDIUS 30-day demo that was available prior to March 15, 2006 was EDIUS Pro v3.61.

The current EDIUS 30-day demo (since March 15, 2006) is EDIUS Pro v3.61 with Broadcast features, so it is essentially EDIUS Broadcast v3.61 trial.

The EDIUS Broadcast v3.61 trial does allow use of P2 without the dongle. Of course, until the trial ends.

Brandon

Will Canopus include the HD codecs with either of their trial versions any time soon?

The Avid trial works alright but I would really like to see Edius work (in dealing with an HD stream of data) first hand prior to making such a financial decision.

[Norval]

FYI,

I did some live capture tests to laptop with much success in 720/60p w/ an ext 7200rpm usb2 (no dropped frames), not much luck in 1080. Like Barry, error says hard drive is too slow. Changing OHCI buffer seems to help a little.
Maybe a firewire drive would do better?
No option in Canopus to live capture HDpro in 24p just HDV capture is available in 24p..... Darn should have got the JVC.....................NOT!!!

Cheers

[bhiga]

The Canopus HQ, Canopus Lossless and Canopus HD codecs are in the trial. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to use P2, as it requires Canopus HD for the DVCPRO support.

[Steve_Bec]

Hey all! Just got my HVX and finding myself in the same boat as the rest of you. The edius seems to make sence and Barry's posts are promiseing. The only thing I want to know from all the owners of this program, is can I batch capture clips from my old DV footage (ha ha..old) and also, how good is the color correction? Really, All I'm looking for is somthing I can slam clips together, color correct and spit it out to dvd or DV. Thanks everyone

Steve

[bhiga]

Sure you can batch capture from both DV and HDV devices, though HDV batch capture requires you capture to the Canopus HQ codec.

Some folks don't like our color correction, but before you pass judgement, look at all the color correction filters, as White Balance has many features others simply call Color Correction.

The ability to limit the application range by chroma and luma via the Chrominance filter, combined with being able to stack multiple correction filters on a clip yields a very powerful, albeit potentially complex (which is when you should save and use presets), combination.

Oh yeah... you'll definitely want to get one of the hardware options so you can see your color adjustments in full HD-ness.

And while I'm adding to this post, it gives me the chance to mention the split-frame ability of the color correction filters so you can see before/after, or even grab another frame from elsewhere in the timeline to do matching.

Brandon

[KCarey]

I really want to know why the demo doesn't allow you to live capture 720 or 1080 - this is the one thing I want to test.

[Steve_Bec]

Thanks Brandon for your imput. Looks like I will have to get addtinal hardware after all wich is a bummer. But since most people will be looking at a reel I compose and spit out on standard DVD, is it neccesary for the hardware upgrade? This Jump into HD land Is much more costly then even I expected. Oh well, no turning back now.

Thanks;

Steve

[Richard__Knight]

The Canopus HQ, Canopus Lossless and Canopus HD codecs are in the trial. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to use P2, as it requires Canopus HD for the DVCPRO support.


Under which Generic headings are the HD codecs to be located... in thei trial version that is?

In as much, I don't do P2 -- time span is too short ... (currently).

[bhiga]

Hi Richard,

Seems we're both right ... the codecs are there, but it seems for some reason sometimes they don't get installed.

A fix is being worked on.

Brandon

[Malcolm Wright]

I'm going to get flamed for the stupidity of this question, but hey...

I'm trying to export back the p2 card.
In the recorder window, I click on the red Export button.
It gives me the option to export to file, but none of the exporters listed are called p2 exporter...

Is this because its the trial version, or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!
M.

[Barry_Green]

It should say Canopus HD P2 Exporter. If you don't have that option, it might be a trial-version thing.

[bhiga]

Hi folks, new version will be going up later today.

Brandon

[Malcolm Wright]

It should say Canopus HD P2 Exporter. If you don't have that option, it might be a trial-version thing.

Thanks Barry, it must be a limitation of the demo.

Bhinga - sorry: is this new version a new version of the demo... Is it version 4?
I'm curious as to when version 4 is expected: I would like to get Edius but am waiting to see what new features are offered in the new version...

M.

[bhiga]

Hi Malcolm,

There's been no official announcement of a version 4 so there's nothing more I can say about that until such info is released. Things often change, and I'm tired of being made wrong. The new demo is an update that fixes the codec problem.

Brandon

[KCarey]

FYI, that demo looks like it has been updated - as I can now capture 1080 woohoo!

I don't think they updated the release date but filename has changed.

[bhiga]

It was updated yesterday.

[Andreas]

bhiga:

Hi again ! I downloaded the new version and everything work just fine. Besides that I still dont like Edius layout and the mystical way the menus and overall functions are created, I mast say I am impressed by the speed it gives me working with 720p (still with the pizza MXF file) rendering is very fast and everything is in real time. Very nice ! I have one question about exporting thought, in wich format is best to export for the best of the best quality possible (when working with 720p or 1080p) ? Why am I seeing the footage squized when exporting and opening with windows media player ? I will have a lot more questions regarding chroma key, but first I mast mess around some more. 30 days trial is not much to preview everythingl, and I have alwready lost 10 with the previous disfactional version. Thanks in advance.

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

There are things I don't like about the EDIUS layout either, but hey, if it was 100% made for me, only I could use it, heh.

For export, the best format really depends on what your intended delivery is.

If you choose a non-square pixel output (like widescreen DV, widescreen MPEG for DVD, or HDV 1080i) then the image will appear distorted in Windows Media Player because WMP does not compensate for different pixel aspect ratios, except in very few special cases.

Brandon

[Andreas]

bhiga:

My question about best bossible export quality had to do with future film transfer.

By the way I did some chroma key tests and the results where just amazing ! The only thing it troubles me is if there is a way to select/key from lets say five red windows in aframe only the two of them. It seems that there is no such flexibility around but anyway this is something that it should be done with a more dedicated program. Its only that since it seems that EDIUS uderstands chroma surprizingly well I wish its there and I just don't know how to do it.

So, how much the trial version is limited ? Barry mentioned P2 exprot wich I to cant find, and I consider an issue the confusion about 720p 25p over 50p that was mentioned in an other thread. I beleive you tried to explain but I didn't uderstand what you meant. So, are Edius settings actually the export settings and it doesnt matter what footage you import as long as it is suported ? But what if I want to export in 720p25p ? Still confused...

And again, any one knows what are the proper settings if you have DVCPRO-HD 720p25p over50p or 1080i 25p over 50i meaning shooting PAL ? Is this the trial versions limitation or there not such thing in the original as well ? I want to remind that I had downloaded the previous trial version also that didnt have DVCPROHD 720p at the settings but the 720p footage I worked with worked just fine in an HDV timeline... so there was actually an export limitation in this case. What now ?

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

It sounds like you are using the color-picker (dropper tool) in Chroma Key...
While this is the easiest mode to use, it is also the least flexible.
Also worth noting here is that the Chrominance filter, which is similar to a Chroma Key, but instead of making the selected range transparent allows you to apply filters to the selected and/or unselected range, also uses the same selection methods.

I recommend switching to the oval, fan or rectangle mode (click one of the buttons), then enable the Histogram display so you can see what colors are in use in the current frame.

Drag the red handles/edges around the oval/fan/rectangle to define the "hard" key area. Any colors within this area will be keyed out (subject to the luma limiter, which I'll get to shortly).

The rectangle and oval can be moved around. The fan is a little different - you can expand/contract the inner and outer "rings" so you can have something doughnut-shaped, or a full circle. The oval is probably the most flexible since you can change the shape of the oval as well as its angle.

You'll notice that if you move your mouse around the edge of the shape, sometimes the edge turns yellow. If you drag the yellow edge, this will extend the key out to create a "soft" key area. This area will be a partial key, blending to transparent. This is most useful for softening the edges of a subject so they don't "pop out" above the background.

To the right of the chroma area, you'll notice a vertical histogram display. This is the luma range limiter. The red graph shows what luma values are present in the current frame.

Like the chroma shape, the luma limiter also has both red and yellow handles which work the same. The area between the red handles (note that it'll also "wrap around" the top/bottom so you can get just high/low luma values if you want) have crossed-lines in the background - X . The "soft" alpha areas get single-hatched, with either \ or / lines in the background.

Play around with it and you can achieve some pretty remarkable things. For example, you might key out just the highlights of an object, producing something of an "x-ray vision" type effect when you shine a light on something.


As for limitations, as far as I am aware, all of the features that are available are not limited. Meaning that everything P2 you can do with EDIUS Broadcast, you should be able to do with the trial.

However, the way EDIUS works, sometimes you don't get certain options. It depends on...
1) Project and hardware setting (Project settings)
For example, the old (before HD) P2 exporter wouldn't show up if you were in an HD project. For the most part, most of these types of limitations have disappeared.

2) Connected devices and input setting
For capture, the connected device (for digital input) can influence the capture options, though usually all are available.

The clips in the timeline shouldn't matter, as EDIUS will conform them to the project settings during playback/output anyway.

As for export, I'm not too sure on how the available 720p modes are determined.

That said, that's how I understand it should be... As often occurs, there may be things I'm not aware of, though.

Brandon

[Andreas]

Hi Brandon

Thanks for your time and pations. Really apreciate it.

I didnt use the color picker only, I also find the other ways more flexible and I ended up with remarcable results. Edius rocks with chroma, I am impressed with those results coming from such footage with no profesional lighting. The chrominance filter seems quite intresting indeed but I need some time with it to figure it out completly. Right now I still cannot take key from one part of my image only (I dont know if I described my problem corectly so I will try once more: lets say there are three seperate boxes on my frame that all of them are red. I want to mess around only with one of them.) I would love to come over Canopus forums but I use ony web based email adresses and there seems to be a problem. Do you recomend any good book about Edius that I can buy ? 17 days left to go on my Edius trial version... I hope until then I will be able to make a desission... But then again somenone with the knoledge needs to clear things up with 720p, export settings, PAL etc etc
Thanks again.

Andreas

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

Ahh, I understand what you are saying now... Yes, currently because you cannot have more than on Chroma Key on a clip, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) to individually adjust the sections.

If you footage allows for it, one possible way is to use the Rectangle function to split up the sections of the frame, then lay each piece on separate tracks.
Of course this doesn't work if the subject moves...

The crazy way for moving objects would be to use a Region filter to track the object, set the outside of the Region to Solid Color, with a Chrominance filter inside the Region set to the color range, with outside of the Chrominance set to the same Solid Color as the outside of the Region. Essentially, you would be creating a dynamic mask of the object. Then you Chroma Key that...


For the forum, please send a request to forumadmin@canopus.com with your email address and a preferred username (or a few, in case the first is taken) and we can set up a Canopus forum account for you.

Brandon

[booth]

bhiga:

My question about best bossible export quality had to do with future film transfer.

By the way I did some chroma key tests and the results where just amazing ! The only thing it troubles me is if there is a way to select/key from lets say five red windows in aframe only the two of them. It seems that there is no such flexibility around but anyway this is something that it should be done with a more dedicated program. Its only that since it seems that EDIUS uderstands chroma surprizingly well I wish its there and I just don't know how to do it.

So, how much the trial version is limited ? Barry mentioned P2 exprot wich I to cant find, and I consider an issue the confusion about 720p 25p over 50p that was mentioned in an other thread. I beleive you tried to explain but I didn't uderstand what you meant. So, are Edius settings actually the export settings and it doesnt matter what footage you import as long as it is suported ? But what if I want to export in 720p25p ? Still confused...

And again, any one knows what are the proper settings if you have DVCPRO-HD 720p25p over50p or 1080i 25p over 50i meaning shooting PAL ? Is this the trial versions limitation or there not such thing in the original as well ? I want to remind that I had downloaded the previous trial version also that didnt have DVCPROHD 720p at the settings but the 720p footage I worked with worked just fine in an HDV timeline... so there was actually an export limitation in this case. What now ?

So does this trial support 25p and other HVX PAL DVCProHD frame rates?

[bhiga]

Important to note here the distinction between the shooting/sampled rate, and the stored data rate.

For example, you can shoot 25p, but still store those samples as 50i. From a purely technical standpoint, the data itself is 50i, even though the original sampling frequency was not 50 Hz, but 25 Hz.

[Richard__Knight]

"Destination disk drive is too slow"

Only on Edius (the newest trial version) have I seen this alert.

The program reminds me of a Macromedia product. s-Backwards, but nice ... though - still non-functioning so to speak.

[ROne]

I'm getting a problem with demo when it imports 720p clips, only the sound seems to import....

[bhiga]

@Richard_Knight:
Check to make sure it's not capturing to your C drive, assuming you have a dedicated video volume.

@ROne:
Did you download/install the demo before or after Mar 16?

If you have the one from before, please get the current one. There was an issue with the Canopus HD (DVCPRO HD compatible) codec installation that's now been fixed.

[Andreas]

Hi Andreas,

Ahh, I understand what you are saying now... Yes, currently because you cannot have more than on Chroma Key on a clip, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) to individually adjust the sections.

If you footage allows for it, one possible way is to use the Rectangle function to split up the sections of the frame, then lay each piece on separate tracks.
Of course this doesn't work if the subject moves...

The crazy way for moving objects would be to use a Region filter to track the object, set the outside of the Region to Solid Color, with a Chrominance filter inside the Region set to the color range, with outside of the Chrominance set to the same Solid Color as the outside of the Region. Essentially, you would be creating a dynamic mask of the object. Then you Chroma Key that...


For the forum, please send a request to forumadmin@canopus.com with your email address and a preferred username (or a few, in case the first is taken) and we can set up a Canopus forum account for you.

Brandon

Hi again

Well, unfortunatly I havent manage to make the chrominance filter to work properly with region filter. Another thing I cannot uderstand is why you are not allowed to choose to chromakey the inside of the chrominace filter !!! Well, like I told you a few days are not enought and I realy don't know what to if I havent solve those basic issues before the trial expires. Curently I am overwelmed by Edius capabilitys and stability. I just want to make sure two things :
1) If I can get acurate crroma key from any part of the frame that I want
2) If Edius suports 100% DVCPROHD 720p 25p and 1080i 25p over 50i
and can export this cind of footage in a codec that doesnt compress the signal
more.

Today my Canopus forum account has been activated. Thanks for the help. I have spend the last three hours searching and reading. But I thing I just have to start fireing questions around because i dont se much DVCPRO interest.

and BTW whats the deal with you mods start :kali: when EdiusV4 is mentioned :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Andreas

[bhiga]

Hi Andreas,

The Chroma key affects the internal alpha, so you can't use it in a filter. It's just due to the order things are processed in EDIUS.

Chrominance should work within Region, though sometimes you can't see the preview until you exit back out to the Region. That's usually when I do the Chrominance outside of Region, save a preset, then apply the preset in the Region.

I'm being stricter than usual about the EDIUS 4 because things that like often lead to lofty predictions, which then end in disappointment. Remember when folks though XP would be secure and bug-free?
:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Brandon

[stabwound]

Bhiga:

I've been trying out the demo and it looks great so far.

Question.... I'm outputting to wmv HD and there's only the 720p/29.97 ntsc and the 720p/25 pal available.

Is there no 720p/24 ntsc available?

Thanks

[hvx_germanboy]

Hi folks,
I havent downloaded the trial so fare, but i am really looking on edius, cause it seems to be the best native way of editing.

Here my question coming from pal-country:did anyone try it with pal footage(720p and I am also really interested how it is capable of dvcpro 50-pal, as i am planning to do my next documentary with it!)

So please pal guyx with edius and a havx bring some ligth to that question!!-Thnaks!

[ROne]

I've tried PAL DV and it worked great.

I've had no success with 720p on the lastest version of edius trial, it only seemed to import the sound, not the picture.

I'm going to try again.

[Jarred Land]

it does the sound and the video in seperate streams for some reason on the Trial, at least that is what I found. Im sure there is a simple fix for that though.

[bhiga]

Hey guys,

Can someone give me a step-by-step of how you're importing the clip(s) and what the clip files you have are?

I'm trying to determine if it's just a difference in operation (operator misguidance) or something that needs to be addressed.

Brandon

[ROne]

Bhiga here is my procedure for importing 720p25pn...

P2viewer and software installed first.

Launch EDIUS

New Project from splash screen

Project Settings > Canopus HD720/25p over 60 (why is this over 60??, it's the nearest match though)

TOOLS > P2select > Direct Import (select clips here) Import to Bin

Clip appears in bin or from DROP-DOWN above source window.

When you now drag this to time line or double-click to play, I can only see a black source window. The ICON from the drop-down only shows a sound wave and not a thumb nail.

Doing the same thing with SD-DV works fine.

[bhiga]

Thanks ROne.

Can you verify whether any DVCPRO clips play back properly in EDIUS?

Also, did you download/install the demo prior to March 15, or after March 15?

Brandon

[ROne]

I've not tried DVCPRO, will get some shots.

After 15th March.

[Norm_Li]

I downloaded the trial to test it out.

Of course I don't have a Canopus Edius NX card...so is this the reason why it's sooo choppy and interlaced on the preview window? I can't even view my normal DV AVI or QT files in real-time which playback perfectly in Vegas.

I have a P4 3.4Ghz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, but sh*tty Asus 128MB PCI-e video card (which I'm actively researching as to which video card it best to futureproof myself for so many different HD formats and video editing)...any suggestions would be great.

I heard that the ATI FireGL 7350 and Nvidia QuadroFX 4500 doesn't really boost video editing performance (realtime SD/HD previewing and rendering times)? Should I be looking at basically Canopus, Matrox, or Pinnacle video cards?

Which are the top of the line and best suited for HD video editing?

Thanks,

Norm

[bhiga]

Performance in HD modes is pretty darn close with or without EDIUS hardware.

Overall realtime performance is a combination of:
1) Source type (framesize/rate) versus project framesize/rate, as well as compression format (but not in a transcoding way - just some compression methods like MPEG are more difficult to decode)
2) Drive transfer speed in relation to source clip bandwidth (can't pull 400 Mbps of data off storage that only supports 100 Mbps, for example)
3) Any additional processing being done

Working with HD - either in Canopus HD, Canopus HQ, or native HDV formats will be... challenging on a single P4. Canopus HQ or Canopus HD would give you better performance versus HDV, but it'll be a matter of what you're doing. Remember that HD framesize is 5-6 times larger than SD, so it's way more to process.

Another very important thing about EDIUS is that it always processes in full-quality, full-framerate. There is no "draft" or "preview" mode in EDIUS. It is designed for WYSIWYG editing, so, save for any recompression of output, what you see while editing is exactly what you'd get on the output.

It's a bit of a different mentality from some other editors that sacrifice framerate and/or resolution for smooth preview playback.

Brandon

[Paul Llewellyn]

just tried the 720/25 with the trial and I also can only playback the sound with no picture.

[Francko]

Yep, Edius works great with 1080i Pal frames, but when importing 720p Pal frames, it can import only audio, no video at all :( damn

Edius is a really fast killer app and it doesnt need too much HW to works smooth.

[hvx_germanboy]

i tried 2 import my first hd footage(just dvcpro 50 before)- i got the same bad experience as the others-nothing works!

Thats really a pitty fot PAL countries, cause i am really on the fence 2 by edius, but its no use if we dont get 720p/720 pn in pal countries!!

Maybe mr. bhiga would be so kind to use his insider knowledge and tell us whats planned for us pal-buddies with edius 4!????

So please give us some info about it, cause the canopus solution seems the best one, not only to stick with pc, but great in general with the p2 implementation, IF we get the right tools with the upgrade!

[jjb]

No problems with HD1080i/50i and HD1080i/25p. Support for 720p/50p, 720p/25p and 720p/25pN should become available by end of June. See Canopus forum: http://forum.canopus.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=315333&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1