Ava - MojoTrancer

[MojoTrancer]

For what it's worth I hope you enjoyed my film. If not, that's OK too. I'm just glad I finally had something to offer the forum for good or ill.

That said, let's have it!

[Brandon Rice]

I liked this film, especially the twist at the end. Very surreal feel to it. Kind of a long build up to the end IMO. Good job! :)

[MojoTrancer]

Yeah there are some pacing issues. and some effects were rushed. And I absolutely hate hearing my own voice. All I can think is "We're not gonna fall for a banana in our tailpipe." :)

Glad you liked it Briceman. I was starting to feel lonely out here.

Keep the comments and criticisms coming everyone. Be nice or be mean. I just want to hear what you think!

[Kaz]

Of the "A.I." films posted, I thought yours was the most interesting story-wise. I like the dark stuff. Good work!

[MojoTrancer]

Thanks, Kaz. I'm glad you liked the story. We were originally going to do a much more ambitious action-oriented piece. But with time constaints looming, we decided to scrap that idea and do a more personal piece.

[Norm Sanders]

This was dark. But really had me listening, which BTW, I really enjoyed the VO on this. Great job, and the voice of the actress was GREAT. Some tracking/keyframe issues, obviously, with the CG, but otherwise looked pretty good.

Certainly had a surreal feel to it, and was overall enjoyable ... scored well above average to say the least.

[MojoTrancer]

This was dark. But really had me listening, which BTW, I really enjoyed the VO on this. Great job, and the voice of the actress was GREAT. Some tracking/keyframe issues, obviously, with the CG, but otherwise looked pretty good.

Certainly had a surreal feel to it, and was overall enjoyable ... scored well above average to say the least.

Thank you for your critique. Bobette is a very talented actress (not to mention quite stunning IMHO). We work together often. Expect to see more of her soon.

I plan on going back and fixing the tracking issues. Here's one thing to keep in mind with the CG: Every scene you see Ava in had little silver markers all over the walls and her. It was our ill-conceived attempt to aid the tracking for an effect we didn't end up using. So my boy Trevor and I had to paint out all the markers. We missed a few in one shot of Ava if you look close. So that was a HUGE drain on our time.
We had to make a choice between leaving the scenes raw with silly tracking markers all over or letting the other effects slide a little. You guys see the result :)

[ZFarms Productions]

the VO was good. i agree with envision that there were a couple of tracking/keyframe issues.

i had to watch it a couple of times. my speakers were on the fritz so the first time i didnt hear a lot of the VO. then i got it to work. so yeah there's my little snipit of a review

[MojoTrancer]

Wow, I thought the VO was the weakest part. But it seems you guys are digging that most of all. Once again, it might just be me hating my own voice. I guess I should get over it.

[Z B Brox]

Yeah, I'm in total agreement with the quality of the voicework. I like the idea, too, and I didn't have issues with the pacing as some others did. I like slow-burn kinda stuff myself. Obviously the CG was a little off, but when it was on target it looked really good. It's a small, personal piece, it doesn't jump out with how awesome it is, but I felt engaged by it. Nice work.

[mikkowilson]

Spookey.

that was very good, in a slightly distrubing way. but that was the idea. A lot of very dark themes this year, this was definatly one of them.

also, agreed on the keyframign note.

Soundtrack was good, and I liked the jump to A-roll with her talking at the end.

- Mikko

[MojoTrancer]

Yeah, I'm in total agreement with the quality of the voicework. I like the idea, too, and I didn't have issues with the pacing as some others did. I like slow-burn kinda stuff myself. Obviously the CG was a little off, but when it was on target it looked really good. It's a small, personal piece, it doesn't jump out with how awesome it is, but I felt engaged by it. Nice work.

That was the third round of voiceovers we did. The first two tries were had better performances, but they were unusable do to technical issues (recording good sound isn't as easy as I thought it would be.) By that time, Bobette and I had about an hour to do the whole film. We ended up posting the script on the wall and doing a read through from start to finish. We did that twice, and then cut and edited it as best I could.

[Captain KickAss]

I really like this one. I think the cinematography and acting were excellent, and the slow ramp up was just right. I really felt like we got to know these two characters in a really short period of time, and when the twist hits, I felt totally heartwrenched. I loved the subtlety of this piece, and how it didn't rely on special effects. Sure there were a few in there, but they were by no means the crutch many other sci-fi films need them to be. Very nice, I will be watching this one many more times.

[MojoTrancer]

I really like this one. I think the cinematography and acting were excellent, and the slow ramp up was just right. I really felt like we got to know these two characters in a really short period of time, and when the twist hits, I felt totally heartwrenched. I loved the subtlety of this piece, and how it didn't rely on special effects. Sure there were a few in there, but they were by no means the crutch many other sci-fi films need them to be. Very nice, I will be watching this one many more times.

Thank you so much, Captain. I'm glad the film spoke to you. I'm more and more glad that we didn't go the action route. I think it was the right choice the more I think about it.


Spookey.

that was very good, in a slightly distrubing way. but that was the idea. A lot of very dark themes this year, this was definatly one of them.

also, agreed on the keyframign note.

Soundtrack was good, and I liked the jump to A-roll with her talking at the end.

- Mikko

The soundtrack is two royalty-free tracks I bought on Q-music (http://www.q-music.co.uk/). Their prices are pretty decent and if you dig around the site hard enough, you can find some good stuff.

[Slimothy]

I would have liked this one more if you didn't tell the whole story via VO. It looked pretty good, and I liked the dark twist. The CG was pretty bad (especially the computer chip thingy on her arm--Looked VERY fake). I liked some of the compositions/lighting. I really hated the pan of the computer monitor for some reason. I think it cheapened it somehow. I think both actors (I assume you were one of them) "looked" good, there just wasn't really much acting as it was all V.o.

[Z B Brox]

Just to be clear: When I said I agreed ont he quality of the V/O, I meant with the people praising it, not your self-criticism.

[MojoTrancer]

I would have liked this one more if you didn't tell the whole story via VO. It looked pretty good, and I liked the dark twist. The CG was pretty bad (especially the computer chip thingy on her arm--Looked VERY fake). I liked some of the compositions/lighting. I really hated the pan of the computer monitor for some reason. I think it cheapened it somehow. I think both actors (I assume you were one of them) "looked" good, there just wasn't really much acting as it was all V.o.


Fair enough, Slimothy. Thanks for giving it to me straight. For the record I think Bobette did her part very well. As for my performance, well I offer no excuses. It is what it is. But be warned I'm going to be in the next one too :)

[Slimothy]

Fair enough, Slimothy. Thanks for giving it to me straight. For the record I think Bobette did her part very well. As for my performance, well I offer no excuses. It is what it is. But be warned I'm going to be in the next one too :)
I don't think the performances were bad by any means. Just wished I could have seen them act out an actual scene w/ some dialogue.


And you BETTER be in the next one. :)

[MojoTrancer]

I don't think the performances were bad by any means. Just wished I could have seen them act out an actual scene w/ some dialogue.


And you BETTER be in the next one. :)

Groovy. I've been reading some of your other reviews and I feel like I got off lightly So I will take what I can get. ;)

I've already started work on the sci-fi piece we shelved to do Ava. Both Bobette and I will be back and this time will be a more straightforward story.

[penfever]

I think this film had a lot of really strong stuff - at the end. The blood, the sound design at the end was very strong indeed. I also liked that you seemed to have a fairly concrete idea of the story you wanted to tell.
I'm afraid that's where the big ups end. I DIDN'T like the voice-over. I almost never like voice-over. And any film which tells its entire story in voice-over is afraid to give its audience a chance to identify. We can never get close to characters without knowing what they sound like. Without sync sound, it's just a montage.

The tech-end wasn't perfect, but I really don't care about those things. Once you've got your story together, the right tech-people will assemble and good things will happen.

[penfever]

Also, when casting yourself try to put yourself in a part you fit. You weren't dark enough for the pathological role you cast yourself in - in fact, you looked kinda sweet. Writer-actor-directors have it tough in this regard - get a person you trust who knows you well, and bounce it off them for a sanity check.
Thanks for making a film, I liked watching it, and keep shooting (I know you will)!

[MojoTrancer]

Also, when casting yourself try to put yourself in a part you fit. You weren't dark enough for the pathological role you cast yourself in - in fact, you looked kinda sweet. Writer-actor-directors have it tough in this regard - get a person you trust who knows you well, and bounce it off them for a sanity check.
Thanks for making a film, I liked watching it, and keep shooting (I know you will)!

I cast myself because I knew I would show up ;)

[mikkowilson]

I cast myself because I knew I would show up ;)

Quote of the day, right there folks.

[Z B Brox]

Also, when casting yourself try to put yourself in a part you fit. You weren't dark enough for the pathological role you cast yourself in - in fact, you looked kinda sweet.

I actually liked that. It helped it seem kinda sweet at first, and then became more shocking when it turned very dark.

And, y'know, that kind of character, to be effective, has to be able to build trust, both in terms of the victim in the film and the audience. I thought he worked well.

[MojoTrancer]

Thanks, Z B. I'm always hesitant to be in stuff. It makes directing a bit harder. This time it was matter of convenience. And considering we had to do our VOs all over three different times in 4 days, each time on short notice, I'm not sure we would have finished in time if someone else had been playing Zane. I was lucky enough that Bobette was so flexible with her time.

[Z B Brox]

Yeah, in general I wince at the idea of a director starring. That's an awful lot for one person to carry on their shoulders, and it seems like it can't help but affect both roles. However, in this case I think the way the film was structured (i.e. the montage shots and the voice over) made it much more workable.

Tangential note: On "A New Tomorrow", we bandied about the idea of having our director, Jim, play the lead as well. I'm confident in saying that getting Mike was the single best decision Jim made on the film.

[ProfD]

Cool...at first I thought that this was going to be another 'repair a broken android robot-mate storyline' that we are seeing over and over on here, but then there were some original elements too...she was a real person prior and he was a murderer, etc.. Wow...I bet focusing the story on that part of it, would've put it over the top for me as far as creativity and originality. I think some of those scenes would've been much better with additional lighting here and there....maybe that was the effect you were going for. I'm not a huge fan of the narrative...I like more dialogue and acting, etc... my theater background comes out...heh.

Cool job...liked the concept once it got going.

[Aaron Marshall]

I enjoyed this film. I loved the shot of the woman on the bed starring blankly. That was creepy and almost hitchcock-esque. Great job! I felt what you were trying to communicate with that story.

[angrynerdrock07]

Wow. Tip of the hat to you Mojo. I really liked this film. I think that your voice over was excellent and didn't realize it was you playing the role until I read it here on the board. I have to say the voice over/montage concept gave the film a very intimate feel. Like were sneaking into this private conversation between lovers.

Was not expecting the line "Then why did you kill me?" It caught me off guard. I also loved the transition between her slapping her hand at the camera into your hand pulling away from the camera, revealing all the blood. Wow. Great work!

[MojoTrancer]

Wow. Tip of the hat to you Mojo. I really liked this film. I think that your voice over was excellent and didn't realize it was you playing the role until I read it here on the board. I have to say the voice over/montage concept gave the film a very intimate feel. Like were sneaking into this private conversation between lovers.

Was not expecting the line "Then why did you kill me?" It caught me off guard. I also loved the transition between her slapping her hand at the camera into your hand pulling away from the camera, revealing all the blood. Wow. Great work!


Thanks much!

It was pure dumb luck that Bobette and I ended up doing similar things while shooting our respective "bug out" scenes. I was able to use this to good effect in editing.

[angrynerdrock07]

It was pure dumb luck that Bobette and I ended up doing similar things while shooting our respective "bug out" scenes. I was able to use this to good effect in editing.

Man I love those crazy accidents!

[Jeremy Ordan]

I haven't read anyone else's review so forgive me if I repeat anything anyone else has said...

Ava – Well the male voice reminds me of Vince Vaughn, but what hurt me on watching this was the sound. You can hear the static come in and out, just this harsh noise that really pulled me out of the experience. Overall I enjoyed the story, and I liked the acting. I thought your editing was solid and the story kept me entertained, but the sound really kept me from getting engrossed in the story. It was a nice mystery unfolding and I thought you did a great job. The only thing I would say is that the sound just hurts it. Good job.

[EditPhish]

Hi Mojo,

As I'm going through all my sharing of notes, you're next on the list ;)

I like your cinematography, and the editing seemed fairly natural to the story, but I have to say I'm not a big fan of all-voice-over pieces. The music was good, seemed a good fit to the story, but the VO was a bit echoey, or hollow sounding.

I thought the blood looked good, it didn't look fake at all, but you did have some FX issues (already mentioned in others replies). It really only stood out (to me at least) in the shot of her wrist with the hole/wires in it.

I liked how the genius shot played off the dialogue at that part... but wasn't super crazy about the pan shot.

Last but not least, and it could well be just me... I thought the story was a bit confusing... could just be I'm overthinking it. I was clear she was a robot he found and fixed, but then the killing thing threw me and raised too many questions. Was the garbage thing a lie? Was she a person, then a robot that was thrown away? He killed her and turned her into a robot? It just threw me.

I liked that your idea was on the dark side and original... I would have loved seeing and hearing more interaction between them instead of all in VO.

Thanks for sharing your film with us! I don't mean my criticisms to sound all bad... I wasn't at all bored watching it, or looking at the clock for it to end. I think you and the actress portrayed the roles well. But there's always room for improvement, right?

:)

[MojoTrancer]

Hi Mojo,

As I'm going through all my sharing of notes, you're next on the list ;)

I like your cinematography, and the editing seemed fairly natural to the story, but I have to say I'm not a big fan of all-voice-over pieces. The music was good, seemed a good fit to the story, but the VO was a bit echoey, or hollow sounding.

I thought the blood looked good, it didn't look fake at all, but you did have some FX issues (already mentioned in others replies). It really only stood out (to me at least) in the shot of her wrist with the hole/wires in it.

I liked how the genius shot played off the dialogue at that part... but wasn't super crazy about the pan shot.

Last but not least, and it could well be just me... I thought the story was a bit confusing... could just be I'm overthinking it. I was clear she was a robot he found and fixed, but then the killing thing threw me and raised too many questions. Was the garbage thing a lie? Was she a person, then a robot that was thrown away? He killed her and turned her into a robot? It just threw me.

I liked that your idea was on the dark side and original... I would have loved seeing and hearing more interaction between them instead of all in VO.

Thanks for sharing your film with us! I don't mean my criticisms to sound all bad... I wasn't at all bored watching it, or looking at the clock for it to end. I think you and the actress portrayed the roles well. But there's always room for improvement, right?

:)

Thank you for your honesty and good criticism. I appreciate you taking time to tell me what you thought of it.

My opinion is that the voiceover stuff is a mixed bag. Some people are really digging it. Other's aren't.

I am still kicking myself for the effects issues, but we just plain ran out of time.

I'm glad you liked the cinematography. I don't think I will be happy with my films though till they look like MacGregor's stuff. Adding to my frustration was the fact that I had a Letus35 adapter but wasn't able to use it because I didn't have a step down ring for it. I had originally bought it to use on my GS-150 so I forgot to order the step-down ring prior to shooting. I think that would have improved the look greatly. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

I'm glad you like the story. The basic premise is he salvages this android and repairs her. He keeps her and tries to mold her into what he wants her to be. But she has her own desires (being free). She says she was a person because she had all the emotional qualities that make us what we are. Its her declaration of sentience in a way. so he turns on her and destroys her again. Then he's haunted by what he did. Kind of a Tell-tale Heart thing.

[EditPhish]

I am still kicking myself for the effects issues, but we just plain ran out of time.

I know the feeling ;)


I'm glad you liked the cinematography. I don't think I will be happy with my films though till they look like MacGregor's stuff.

...that makes two of us! LOL


I'm glad you like the story. The basic premise is he salvages this android and repairs her. He keeps her and tries to mold her into what he wants her to be. But she has her own desires (being free) so he turns on her and destroys her again. Then he's haunted by what he did. Kind of a Tell-tale Heart thing.

Ya know, I had the "memory" thing written in my notes, but had scratched it off... I originally thought we were dealing with a haunting memory, but then something led me away from that... not sure what though. I'll have to watch again :)

[angrynerdrock07]

...that makes two of us! LOL

I think that makes all of us actually. LOL!

[MojoTrancer]

I think that makes all of us actually. LOL!

Sometimes all it takes is for someone to raise the bar. Once you know something is possible, then it's just a matter of making it happen :)

[darkfader]

I liked it- i found that it was very unique. It kept me watching and had a very tweaked out ending. the images separated from the dialogue contorted the whole essence of time from the piece. It was good- one of those that sticks in your head for a bit...seriously...eeerie...

[CallaghanFilms]

Mojo,

From a writing standpoint, I'd say the VO may have tested the limits of the "exposition" line, but never actually crossed it. In truth, I feel this is one of those few cases in which excessive VO not taboo (along with hard boiled detective noir.) Needless to sat - it worked for me, my man.:thumbup:

Your dialog I'd say was respectable throughout. You did have, however, a couple of beautifully written exchanges in there...
The likes of which I would have loved to have heard more of.
The one that stands out above all others:
"So I am a thing to you?"
(beat)
"Ah, you're a precious thing to me...how's that?"

Cheers:beer: on a nice little film that you should be proud of.

[WilderWorks]

I like that you used sci-fi to tackle some troubling psychological issues, particularly the intersection of love and possession.

As has probably been mentioned, there were some sound issues (his dialogue has a distinctly different ambient hiss than hers). The clean sound of the score actually made it more apparent.

A few of the early shots hung too long; we weren't yet far enough in the story to be haunted by what we were seeing, so the shots needed to be a little more dynamic, or perhaps change a little more frequently. In particularly, I'm thinking of the shot of him at his computer keyboard, just before the fireplace shot. A bit too long with no new visual information there.

I liked the build of the disturbing imagery; I think you really found your footing once things turned dark. However, I found the line about knowing she could love because she could hate a little on-the-nose. Perhaps arrive at that point a bit more subtly. Your message is inherent in your story, you don't need to over-sell it by directly stating it. I know Sci-Fi hates to be subtle, but you've got enough, you could safely depend on subtext a little more, I believe.

Overall, a troubling film, which means an effective one.

[MojoTrancer]

I like that you used sci-fi to tackle some troubling psychological issues, particularly the intersection of love and possession.

As has probably been mentioned, there were some sound issues (his dialogue has a distinctly different ambient hiss than hers). The clean sound of the score actually made it more apparent.

A few of the early shots hung too long; we weren't yet far enough in the story to be haunted by what we were seeing, so the shots needed to be a little more dynamic, or perhaps change a little more frequently. In particularly, I'm thinking of the shot of him at his computer keyboard, just before the fireplace shot. A bit too long with no new visual information there.

I liked the build of the disturbing imagery; I think you really found your footing once things turned dark. However, I found the line about knowing she could love because she could hate a little on-the-nose. Perhaps arrive at that point a bit more subtly. Your message is inherent in your story, you don't need to over-sell it by directly stating it. I know Sci-Fi hates to be subtle, but you've got enough, you could safely depend on subtext a little more, I believe.

Overall, a troubling film, which means an effective one.

Thanks for your comments! I agree with much of what you said. If it helps, I'm not too crazy about the "because now I hate" dialogue either. It is probably one of the things I would change.

I agree there needs to be more subtelty in sci-fi. I'm working to make it more a part of my projects.

[conrad_johnson]

Hey MojoTrancer - Great short. This was one of the best we've seen so far. It was very creepy, and great acting (in the VO, especially). Were you one of the actors? I think someone mentioned that you didn't fit the part, but I would disagree. It was great. It made the character seem less diabolical and more "Weird Science." Great score, but the audio (for the VO) didn't sound good throughout.

[THX-1138]

Mojo -

Good work! First thing I watched today. It's brave and challenging to tell a story with snippets of VO.

Your editing could have been more manic when things started to go sour. But overall I liked it's pace.

The main problem I had was the noise in the VO tracks. How was it recorded? Mic's room? if I could make one suggestion it would be that since your whole film relies heavily on VO's that they be recorded better than they were.

I got the story and liked the dark twist...and as for your CGI, yea it could have been better but that being said Spiderman 2's could have been better too. At least your's did'nt look like a cartoon or a video game.

Congrats on your entry.

Kip Kubin

[lookatmeimbender]

cool story.

The graphics threw me off. but the story at the end was cool. why he kill her?

[John C Lyons]

well well well, what a twisted little bastard this entry ended up being! nice work! Didn't see it coming and I really appreciated your creativity here.

It was shot and lit well. I usually don't like hearing a voiceover while the scene is playing out different dialogue but somehow it worked here.

If this is your first film I am looking forward to where you go from here.

My only complaint I can think of now was staying on the computer monitor "f'ing genius" sticker for too long.

[MojoTrancer]

well well well, what a twisted little bastard this entry ended up being! nice work! Didn't see it coming and I really appreciated your creativity here.

It was shot and lit well. I usually don't like hearing a voiceover while the scene is playing out different dialogue but somehow it worked here.

If this is your first film I am looking forward to where you go from here.

My only complaint I can think of now was staying on the computer monitor "f'ing genius" sticker for too long.

Thanks, John.

yeah this is my first finished project. I have a couple others languishing on my hard drive, but this is the first one to see the light of day.

As for the genius sticker pan. The film was already at less than five minutes. I didn't have the heart to make it any shorter ;)

If I get a chance to do a Lucas "Special Edition" type thing, I will tighten up the edit, improve the voiceovers and fix the effects. We'll have to see. I have a lot of other stuff coming down the pipe. I may not have time.

[John C Lyons]

make the time. seriously.

you can make this pretty damned solid. and since all the dialogue is voiceover you could re-record that easy and fix those sound issues that TheYankee talked about.

i'll be waiting for the director's cut ;)

nice work!

[MojoTrancer]

Well then I guess I'd better make the darn time then... :)

[sd006]

yes, nice and creepy. Excellent film.

[Ought2bCommitted]

Hey Mojo!

I haven't read any of your other reviews, so I'm sorry if you've heard all this before!

Overall, I enjoyed your piece. I liked the score for the first half a lot. Very sumblime. Matched the visuals pretty well.

The robot arm effect was off, though, as I am sure you have heard.

Some nice shots throughout, but at times felt long.

I would have almost liked it more with different V.O. I don't mind V.O. but just felt here it was a little weak. The dialogue could have been a little tighter and more interesting.

I wasn't crazy about Zane. Something just felt off there. I didn't belive in him.

I think with some better V.O. and some tightening up it could be a very effective piece.

Really nice work!!

-Robert

[Jared Meyer]

Ok, bullet points:

Your voiceover was so freaking awesome. I think I read that this was you? Nice job!!

Your actress was talented and beautiful. Give her my kudos.

The music was perfect. This may have been asked, but who came up with it?

Really flavorful and creepy little short. I enjoyed the trip. :)

[iSTy]

I thought the mark on her arm could've been on her arm as opposed to on the screen. I liked the sound especially when the voices came out of one speaker and the music out of the other. I also understood this film.

[jkc123]

I really enjoyed this film. I thought that the pacing of the film and the writing/dialog was spot on. The scene reminded me of the scene in "Out of Sight" when Lopez and Clooney are in the hotel bar then wind up back at the hotel. The reversal in the story was creepy and caught me off guard, as was intended i presume. Again, I really enjoyed it; good job.

[MojoTrancer]

I really enjoyed this film. I thought that the pacing of the film and the writing/dialog was spot on. The scene reminded me of the scene in "Out of Sight" when Lopez and Clooney are in the hotel bar then wind up back at the hotel. The reversal in the story was creepy and caught me off guard, as was intended i presume. Again, I really enjoyed it; good job.

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. I was going for the Out of Sight thing, but I think the execution could have been better. Glad you liked the ending. It was a fun story to write.

[MojoTrancer]

Ok, bullet points:

Your voiceover was so freaking awesome. I think I read that this was you? Nice job!!



I'll mark you down in the "liked VO" column :)


Your actress was talented and beautiful. Give her my kudos.

I'll let Bobette know she has a fan. She'll be pleased. She's going to be in our next project as well. She'll finally get to kick a little ass! It's gonna be fun.


The music was perfect. This may have been asked, but who came up with it?

I bought two royalty-free tracks off of Q-Music. Someone more talented with music would have been able to mix it better. I just did a hack and slash cutting job on the samples.



Really flavorful and creepy little short. I enjoyed the trip. :)

Glad you were digging it. It has it's issues, but I'm still happy with it. Thanks for your comments!

[kimko]

this was good little twilite zone short the ending was good, the blood try getting it darker. way to go Aaron

[MojoTrancer]

this was good little twilite zone short the ending was good, the blood try getting it darker. way to go Aaron

Thanks, kimko! The blood was a bit darker in the original footage, it just appears lighter now because of the color grading I added.

Poor Bobette had that stuff pooling in her left eye when we shot that. So she has her left eye shut with blood pooling all around it and then she's staring blankly with the right for take after take. But she's a pro and suffered through for us. She was great.

[kimko]

damn i know what you mean. i too was spitting blood we only had maybe an oz of it and then i spit it out. but once i put it in my mouth they switched positions of the camera so i held it in my mouth for 20 min. or more. way to go Bobette!