The Friday the 13th Film Series

[J.R. Hudson]

I was looking at picking up the FT13TH Box Set and asked my wife how many have their been (Seeing the box only has 8 of them) and this started me on am internet surf of all kinds of fun information. (I am not a 13th junkie; just curious).

There have been 11 Friday the 13th Films (Counting Jason -vs- Freddy) and another is in production as we speak

It is the 34th Highest Grossing Franchise is Cinema History (The franchise list has roughly 250 Franchises listed) with a total US Domestic Gross of $313,644,322 and Worldwide Grosses of $349,644,322

My favorties? Part 1, Part 3-D and Part IV (With Crispin Glover & Corey Feldman) and Part IV (With Thom Matthews of Return of the Living Dead fame)

"Actors who appeared in the series before going on to bigger roles include Kevin Bacon, Steven Culp, Corey Feldman, Crispin Glover, Kelly Hu, Allison Smith, and Miguel A. Núñez Jr. & Thom Matthews. In addition, popular Weekend at Bernie's actor Terry Kiser (who played the title roles in the 1989 comedy and its 1993 sequel Weekend at Bernie's II) appears in the series' seventh entry (Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_%28film_series%29)

My wife asked 'How can they keep making them?' I guess the numbers tell us

Friday the 13th
Production Budget $700,000
Total US Gross $39,754,601

Friday the 13th Part 2
Production Budget $1,000,000
Total US Gross $21,722,776

Friday the 13th Part 3
Production Budget $4,000,000
Total US Gross $33,985,198

Friday the 13th Part IV: The Final Chapter
Production Budget $1,800,000
Total US Gross $32,600,000

Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning
Total US Gross $21,930,418

Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives
Total US Gross $19,472,057

Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Production Budget $3,500,000
Total US Gross $19,170,001

Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan
Production Budget $5,000,000
Total US Gross $14,335,525

JASON GOES TO HELL:
THE FINAL FRIDAY
Domestic: $15,935,068

JASON X
Production Budget: $11 million
Marketing Costs: $9 million
Worldwide: $16,951,798

FREDDY VS. JASON
Production Budget: $30 million
Est. Marketing Costs: $25 million
Worldwide: $114,326,122

I would be stoked to have a chance to write and direct one of these.

[ZFarms Productions]

the numbers do speak for themselves. i'm not a big horror movie fan though. to me if you've seen one horror film you've seen them all (yeah there are a FEW exceptions but not many). how long did it take you to find all those numbers?

[dmc]

Interesting figures. I'm guessing that maybe the same source (where you found these numbers) may have listed other horror franchises as well.

I'd love to see a similar breakdown on the Halloween series. The original is still one of my favorite films of all time!

thanks for the research John!


dmc

[J.R. Hudson]

Not long; Google brought them too me within one site (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/franchises.php)

But lets' address this comment '...if you've seen one horror film you've seen them all.'

What the ?

You cannot be serious !

http://www.tennisredaktion.de/1/images_reportagen/mcenroe_john_001.jpg


Nosferatu
Frankenstein
King Kong (1933)
Bride of Frankenstein
The Invisible Man
Dracula
Bram Stoker's Dracula (FFC)
The Evil Dead
Braindead (Dead-Alive)
The Wolf Man
The Return of the Living Dead
The Hills Have Eyes
The Sixth Sense
Signs
The Village
The Mummy
The Thing
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (70's version)
Jaws
The Birds
Lost Boys
Misery
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Psycho
The Silence of the Lambs
Se7en
Halloween
Friday the 13th
Night of the Living Dead
Rosemary's Baby
The Omen
Poltergeist
Scanners
Videodrome
The Shining
Carrie
The Dead Zone
Cujo
The Exorcist
The Fly (Cronenberg)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
The Last House on the Left
Scream
Dawn of the Dead
Alien
Aliens
Shaun of the Dead
28 Days Later
Salem's Lot
The Last Man on Earth

What about the films of Bava, Argento, Fulci ? What about Hammer Horror ?

Care to explain ?

[spidey]

yeah ft13th is a fun series. I like 1 3 4 6. i been watching them since i was a little.

[HorseFilms]

I love the Friday the 13th movies. I went to the opening night of Part VII: The New Blood the day before my 12th birthday. I've been hooked on those since I was very young.

[Matthew B. Moore]

"...if you've seen one horror film you've seen them all."

I think as we get older, horror flicks may seem like they blend together faster than other types of films. There are limitations that keep the horror genre boxed in. I was at the video store the other night looking for...some thing. I couldn't find one movie that was doing it for me so I went to the horror section, as I always do when nothing else catches my eye. I must have stared at that section for 15 minutes. I went over the rows again and again and I felt like I was looking at a blank wall.
It's not that they are all the same, so much as they have a tendency to pull from one one another to the point of no return. Good horror is a must and good horror like good comedy is best served with style and originality. JH's list is a great example of the cream of the crop.
I ended up renting "Vampires" with James Woods. Similar to a lot of other vampire flicks, I know, but with one small exception...James Woods kicking that ass.
I laughed, I cried, it was better than Cats.

[OLBoy]

I also fell in love with the series from a very young age after watching the New Blood and this scene in particular.

http://horrorbrain.ign.com/images/gallery/970.jpg

[HorseFilms]

That's a great scene!

For anyone who wants to geek out on the series a bit, this is a great site:
www.campcrystallake.com

[Blaine]

I have never been a fan of the Friday 13th movies OR Nightmare on Elm Street franchise. I think the original Halloween, however, is one of the greatest horror movies ever. John, it was a good list but while I agree that Alien should be on it, I don't see Aliens as a horror movie but instead a straight Sci-Fi. :thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

Hi Blaine

That list is a compilation of all Franchises (not merely Horror!).

I am a huge horror fan; love Halloween, love Friday the 13th and love Freddy. However, I must admit, each franchise has dwindle into mediocrity and that is too bad.

[HorseFilms]

About once a year, the girlfriend and I will sit down and watch the first 4 Friday the 13th movies.

I'm really starting to dig Part 2. The look of Jason in the hood is really cool to me.

[J.R. Hudson]

Nice Horse

I find the first 4 to be great horror stuff; the rest just spiral into shit.

I love Crispin Glover in 4. Too funny.

[HorseFilms]

I love Crispin Glover in 4. Too funny.

Agreed. He's suck a "dead f*ck.":laugh:

[Blaine]

Hi Blaine

That list is a compilation of all Franchises (not merely Horror!).

I am a huge horror fan; love Halloween, love Friday the 13th and love Freddy. However, I must admit, each franchise has dwindle into mediocrity and that is too bad.
I stand corrected. :thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

Ted: And Jimbo, don't be such a dead poo poo.
Jimmy: I told you... I told you that I didn't like that.

http://www.geocities.com/cinemorgue2/crispinglover.jpg

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I always found the end result of 4 kind of disturbing:

http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/dvdreviews/f134cap.jpg

[HorseFilms]

Exactly. Corey Feldman was a creepy kid when he wanted to be.

One of my favorite characters in the entire series would have to be Ted from Part 2.
http://www.campcrystallake.com/graphics/screencaps/part2/1.jpg

The goofy guy who doesn't end up dead because he stays out drinking all night and never returns to the camp. You have to love that.:thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

Ted ! Bwhahahaah! OMG I totally forgot. Yeah, he's cool.

I always had an afinity for Part 3 "in 3-D" (I actually saw it in the theatre in 3D!)

How about these 'Punker' dudes?

http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/multimedia/lobby/lc3ger09.jpg

Or the HIPPY couple

http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/multimedia/lobby/lc3ger10.jpg

And the Punker Chick who was the LEADER ?

LMAO!

http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/multimedia/lobby/lc3ger01.jpg

[spidey]

alien one is horror.

[J.R. Hudson]

Hey Horseman

Here is a link to all the trailers!

http://www.movie-list.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi (http://www.movie-list.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi)

[HorseFilms]

You rock, John! That's awesome!

[ZFarms Productions]

Not long; Google brought them too me within one site (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/franchises.php)

But lets' address this comment '...if you've seen one horror film you've seen them all.'

What the ?

You cannot be serious !

http://www.tennisredaktion.de/1/images_reportagen/mcenroe_john_001.jpg


Nosferatu
Frankenstein
King Kong (1933)
Bride of Frankenstein
The Invisible Man
Dracula
Bram Stoker's Dracula (FFC)
The Evil Dead
Braindead (Dead-Alive)
The Wolf Man
The Return of the Living Dead
The Hills Have Eyes
The Sixth Sense
Signs
The Village
The Mummy
The Thing
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (70's version)
Jaws
The Birds
Lost Boys
Misery
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Psycho
The Silence of the Lambs
Se7en
Halloween
Friday the 13th
Night of the Living Dead
Rosemary's Baby
The Omen
Poltergeist
Scanners
Videodrome
The Shining
Carrie
The Dead Zone
Cujo
The Exorcist
The Fly (Cronenberg)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
The Last House on the Left
Scream
Dawn of the Dead
Alien
Aliens
Shaun of the Dead
28 Days Later
Salem's Lot
The Last Man on Earth

What about the films of Bava, Argento, Fulci ? What about Hammer Horror ?

Care to explain ?

i understand you're a horror fan and all. I'm just not a horror fan so i haven't seen a lot of them but of the ones i have seen to ME they're basically the same. there are obviously more exceptions than i thought. to me if its a choice between a horror film or no film at all i choose no film at all because i really don't like them. I do like the Scream movies and i liked 28 Days Later King Kong (but for some reason i don't see that as a horror film) and there are a few more on that list that i liked but again i just don't prefer them.

sorry :(

[J.R. Hudson]

(sigh.....)

alright; fair enough.

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All this talk of Jason and I rented F13th Part V and VI

[ZFarms Productions]

well i've noticed i've made a mistake... i just caught it... when i said that i thought all horror films are the same i meant that all SLASHER films are the same (basically) i should've specified more and i apologize

[J.R. Hudson]

Now that, I can agree on.

Like they say 'It's not what you do, but how you do it.'

[J.R. Hudson]

I'm watching Part V right now (among other things with my ADD) and its the one where they dig up the grave in the beginning. And I noticed they buried him with his hockey mask on (and his machete).

I hope when I die they bury me with my serial killer mask on

[J.R. Hudson]

Oh wait

It was a dream sequence. Okay; sorry

Its been 20 years since ive seen this

[ZFarms Productions]

I hope when I die they bury me with my serial killer mask on

LOL.

[Darkline]

I hope when I die they bury me with my serial killer mask on


LOL, you know to bury someone in their mask is almost asking for trouble isnt it? You might aswell put a shovel and an array of powertools in the coffin too.

[J.R. Hudson]

Well, then

Now I started PART VI (With Return of the Living Dead's Thom Matthews) and dare I say ?

It's so far as I have seen, the best of the bunch in terms of Cinematography, Score, acting and scares.... ?

Ill finsih it tonight !

[The Machinist]

Part VI was certainly a step up. It's also, I'd argue, the introduction of a certain comedic element to Jason's gleeful murder. The arm on the end of the machete?

The Triple Head Decapitation is worth the price of rental alone.

As for Favorite. I'm totally with you on IV. But I'd add VII to that list. Horrible premise however i feel its the best incarnation of Jason. The first time Kane Hodder took on the roll and my favorite make up job what with the exposed bones in his kneee cap that actually move when he walks. Amazing.


The Gf got me the collection for Christmas a year ago and after repeated viewings i learned how much i love these movies. Even more so than the Nightmare series which i have grown increasingly bored with over time. I lay no fault at the altar of Robert Englund rather i feel the creators of the latter sequels deserve the blame.

The kills are just so much fun in the Friday series.

[HorseFilms]

I love Jason Lives! It's great. Thom Matthews kicks ass in it and Jennifer Cooke (Megan) is freaking hot. Great flick.

Last October, AMC played a couple Friday movies with random fact graphics in the letterbox portion of the screen. I never realized before then that the original was shot mostly existing light. They used lanterns as practicals and their were a few of the night exteriors where they lit them, but is was almost all available light.

[spidey]

I knew jason lives had a better look compare to all the other. i watched it recently and it was made in 1986 but yet its film stock has a clearner look than those of the series after it. its like a lot when to the visual look of it. plus first time we see monster jason after decomposing. classic one. as for nightmare on elm street there two rumors.

one is about the next freddy vs jason.
The better one which is semi confirmed is about A prequel to nightmare on elm st. called Nightmares and its under the helm of writing david lynch and direction of terry gilliam. it seems to be under the radar. if its true that's freaking sweet.

[Ought2bCommitted]

I have such a softspot in my cold black heart for the Ft13th movies. I just adore them. They are such a guilty pleasure. Yes, I saw them for some T&A as a teenager, yes I saw them to see what new inventive ways they could come up with to kill bad actors, yes I saw them without a parent or guardian!!! So sue me!

Once you get past the first few, the movies really get insanely bad...from the "plots" to the actors. There are some awesome moments here and there (still love seeing Jason in Times Sq for 2 seconds even though the rest is clearly Canada... * Sigh * I guess Jason takes Toronto didn't win at the Paramount board meeting).

But you really don't see a Friday for plot, Shakespearean acting, and great direction... you see it for T&A and good gore...

I'm curious to see if there ever will be another Friday of note, but with 11 movies total it will be hard for Hwood to greenlight something new and worth doing... instead we'll get a steamy turd like When A Stranger Calls. Just hang up.

[Filmjunkie677]

say it ain't so....... A remake.....
http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=5584

[Ought2bCommitted]

It was only a matter of time. if it does reasonably well, the Halloween remake will inevitably get the go finally as well.

* Sigh *

[Ought2bCommitted]

FYI, for all you Friday fans...check out the Return to Crystal Lake doc if you haven't already seen it. Very cool and a lot of fun. Also, the Crystal Lake Memories coffeetable book is waaayyyyyyy cool. Lots of great pics, nice trivia and interviews (even Kevin Bacon!). A nice job. Get it while you can. Hard to find.

[Blaine]

It was only a matter of time. if it does reasonably well, the Halloween remake will inevitably get the go finally as well.

* Sigh *
Taken for what it is, I don't think there is any way to improve on the original. :beer:

[spidey]

yeah but most audiences will probli say it was better than the original. same happen to the fog. They said it was awesome i was like have seen the original? they were like nah but i know its aint better than this one.

[Filmjunkie677]

I wonder who they'll cast as Mrs. Voorhees???

Let me guess, they turn Mrs. Voorhees into a 30something bodacious bombshell who gives birth to a highly deformed mutant.

[Ought2bCommitted]

Are you kidding? To throw us all off it will be Mr. Vorhees as the killer and we'll have a quick Betsy Palmer cameo.

[J.R. Hudson]

I am in the middle of watching F13th 'Jason Lives' and as mentioned thee are some realyl nice moments and then there are moments that leave you wondering what the hell they were smoking

There is even one exchange where the '180 line' rule is not only abused by anally violated; actor is looking this way, that way when the other actor is over here than over there...... bad bad bad (Ill post picks later)

I would love a shot at writing a F13th and helming it. Just make some off the chart one.

[Ought2bCommitted]

I felt at the time and now that Jason Lives was a half assed attempt to get Friay fans back after the mess that was part V, which featured a Jason imitator. I like V because its just sooooo...awful and crude, but its not a good movie. Jason Lives which should been a kick ass return for the big guy was a movie that felt like it had two helmers.

[Ought2bCommitted]

Hey John,
IF they did call you tomorrow and said here write the new Ft13th movie, what would your take on it be?

[HorseFilms]

I know what I would do. I would totally bring it back to the basics. None of this larger-than-life crap that they've been going with for the last few movies. I'd bring it back to Camp Crystal Lake and have it small and creepy.

[Ought2bCommitted]

That would definitely be the way to go. I'd find a way to make it more mysterious as to who Mrs. Vorhees was... like WE all know that character that is the killer is Mrs. Vorhees but which character would she be???

I'd have to think about it to see what else I'd want to do with it. I just watched the uncut edition the other night and some ideas then but I'll need some Diet Pepsi to rejuvinate my brain!

I would have Kane Hodder do a cameo...just because he's so cool!

[J.R. Hudson]

Let me think on that a bit Oughta. (Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....)

[The Machinist]

Hell yea Horse. This film needs a return to the basics. Which is actually something I've heard the new one is going to do. No more of this ridiculous Jason in space bullshit. Or "Cronenberg-esque" body snatching demon.

And personally i think Pamela Vorhees should be left to the wayside or only be included as an insight to Jason's psyche. He's the reason I love F13 films. If they had kept Betsy Palmer on as the killer in this series I doubt it'd have gotten as far as it has or acheived the pop culture iconic status Jason has. Can you imagine how ridiculous VII would be if a decomposing Betsy Palmer was smashing some naked coed in a sleeping bag into a tree repeatedly.

Actually that's a pretty hysterical image.

[J.R. Hudson]

Actually that's a pretty hysterical image.


:cheesy:

[J.R. Hudson]

Actually that's a pretty hysterical image.


:cheesy:

[Ought2bCommitted]

True, but one of the things that made Ft13th such a shocker in its time was the killer was a woman...

I don't think they were planning on a runaway success and the greenlight to make more....lots more.... much like Carpenter with Halloween. The story, acc. to JC, ended with Halloween...there wasn't much else to tell. For Ft13th...they went to the obvious choice...Pamela avenged Jason's death....now Jason will come back to avenge hers.

I'm torn in the remake. I liked the Pamela Vorhees aspect and I don't think you can just re-write that part of Ft13th lore, but seeing Jason again would be a treat as well.

And yes, hysterical imagery!!!

[Blaine]

Remakes...remakes...remakes... why?...why?...why? Take that energy and make something new and different and exciting! :thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

Ought2 is right

When we found out it was his mother killing everyone to avenge her kid; that was deep. Freaky deaky.

Well, I just finished Part VI

Bad bad bad. Definately at my level; like I am confident I can at least make a film like this piece of crap. It does have some brihgt moments; but for the most part it is just Jason running around ganking people for no real reaons other than they happen to be there.

It's fun watching Thom MAttehws (Who was much better in ROTLD) and the blonde is kind smoky but it's just bad filmmaking.

I too would love to see it back to its roots. SOmething simpler, plot driven. Or maybe its just ran its course.

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Ofcourse, we can always invent our own Serial Killer dude. (Myers, Voorehees, Freddy, Candyman, Pumkin HEad, Children of the Corn.........................)

I always thouht th idea of a bunch of criminal insane dudes on the lam would suck (Like the scene in the original Halloween when Loomis and the Nurse goto the hospital in the rain?) NOw imagine all of those running around town one night...........................

Heebee Jeebees!

[Rich Lee]

jason should mate with the invisible man in the new one...that would be cool.

[Ought2bCommitted]

John,
You should really check out that Crystal Lake Memories book I mentioned. Its a great companion piece to the DVD collection... It really gives you some great insight into the making of each installment... some great interviews and a lot of nice shots. I've already gone through my favorite ones and will probably go through the other sequels today since we're buried under 2 feet of snow. The book is really like a cool making of doc for each film. I had some good laughs at who still has bad blood for who after all these years, who takes credit for what, and who thinks they still should have gotten a piece of the pie... good stuff. Betsy Palmer's interviews alone are worth it.

[Blaine]

jason should mate with the invisible man in the new one...that would be cool.
Wow, that would make it an Oscar contender. :evil:

[Filmjunkie677]

Now this I can't believe!!!!

Michael Bay onboard the next Friday the 13th???!!!!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22471

[ZFarms Productions]

Now this I can't believe!!!!

Michael Bay onboard the next Friday the 13th???!!!!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22471


now that's unbelievable! would people here really like a Friday the 13th by Michael Bay?

[Filmjunkie677]

Not a Michale Bay fan, but maybe he can rejuvenate the franchise.

[ZFarms Productions]

well like i said earlier i don't like slasher films because they're all basically alike... even with michael bay i wouldn't see it... i should open my eyes to new ideas and all but i really don't like slasher films... we'll see maybe if he does do it i will see it.... thats a BIG maybe

[Draccan]

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[HorseFilms]

Michael Bay did alright producing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, so I'm not really all that worried.

Did I just say that?!

[J.R. Hudson]

I agree Horse

The Texas remake kicked ass. A first rate horror film.

[dmc]

I agree Horse

The Texas remake kicked ass. A first rate horror film.


I loved the original, loved it. The remake... not quite so much. Most of it felt a bit like a "new" set of retread tires. Useful (a few good scares), but that not satisfying.

I did enjoy it (mostly R. Lee Ermey, even though he was a little too Sergeant Hartman) enough to buy it, but I probably wouldn't give it a "kicked ass" endorsement.


dmc

[Ought2bCommitted]

I think Jason vs. Freddy had a LOT of potential and in the end I felt cheated out on something that could have been really big...

Much like the old Universal monster match ups the plot is irrelevant. You're going to see Freddy fight Jason, and that sequence kicked ass.

[Ought2bCommitted]

I loved the original, loved it. The remake... not quite so much. Most of it felt a bit like a "new" set of retread tires. Useful (a few good scares), but that not satisfying.

I did enjoy it (mostly R. Lee Ermey, even though he was a little too Sergeant Hartman) enough to buy it, but I probably wouldn't give it a "kicked ass" endorsement.


dmc

I APPRECIATE the original TCM for what it accomplished and what it inspired. But, as a film watching it NOW, it's boring. I fall asleep everytime I see it. Its better than the bizarre series of sequels that followed, but I am one that liked the remake better. That's not to say I don't have problems with it, because I do. But overall, I really enjoyed the remake. Jessica Beil is two of the reasons I really liked the film... hehehe... seriously, some stunning cinematography, great tension and some truly horrific scenes (like having to kill your friend).

[KingVidiot]

Nice Horse

I find the first 4 to be great horror stuff; the rest just spiral into poo poo.

I love Crispin Glover in 4. Too funny.

In general I agree.

However, in Jason Goes to Hell, the opening shot with the hot shower chick and his capture... not bad. The action waitress who's good with a shotgun... pretty good. And what the hell, the final scene tie-in with Freddy... made me smile. It's definitely the most action-packed title in the series.

Also, the "Jason in Space" flick had an amusing scene where Cronenberg gets killed. The liquid nitrogen face smash was pretty original as well.

But in general, I prefer 1 and 4, with 2 and 3 tying for third place.

The box set is a great deal.

[Ought2bCommitted]

3 is just awful.... some of the worst acting in the whole series, but inventive kills.

That doesn't mean I don't like it though. :-)

[dmc]

I APPRECIATE the original TCM for what it accomplished and what it inspired. But, as a film watching it NOW, it's boring. I fall asleep everytime I see it. Its better than the bizarre series of sequels that followed, but I am one that liked the remake better. That's not to say I don't have problems with it, because I do. But overall, I really enjoyed the remake. Jessica Beil is two of the reasons I really liked the film... hehehe... seriously, some stunning cinematography, great tension and some truly horrific scenes (like having to kill your friend).


Yeah I understand what you're saying and I do agree that the original may be getting a little "long in the tooth" as it were. The remake can certainly boast that the quality of the stock, the lighting and even the composition of many of the shots themselves surpass the original - all making it feel more contemporary, polished and professional. However in terms of the raw suspense, the dread, the isolation and the sense of claustrophobia - I prefer the original. It's usually what I remember seeing at an earlier, more impressionable age that tends to have that sort of resonance with me.

Jessica Beil... well, ya got me there. ; )


dmc

[J.R. Hudson]

That scene

SPOILERS

where Leatherface is wearing Jessicas boyfriends face as he saws that chick in the back is Gnarly; when she realizes what shes seeing.....

Priceless

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I loved the film (own it). One of the better horror films to come out of hollywood in recent memory.

[Filmjunkie677]

Here's the lowdown on the next, straight from Fango.

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=5611

[HorseFilms]

I'm liking the sound of this, so far.

Bring back Kane Hodder, damn it!

[Filmjunkie677]

Yeah, after they screwed him out of freddy vs. jason, they owe it to him.

[The Machinist]

How can anyone get excited by a Michael Bay produced Friday?

I just saw the Island this week. I never thought a movie starring Scarlett Johansen would leave me feeling so castigated. How dare Bay try to place the blame on his actors too. That flick was poorly directed and full of cheap and predictable plot devices and character gimmicks. Ugh.

And after that disgraceful Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake i have nothing but low expectations for this "origin" movie. Yes i loathed the remake. WEAK and pathetic. Rob Zombie did a better job with pretty much the same premise in House of a 1000 and Devils Rejects. Now that second one is one of the best contemporary horror films in this humble horror fan's opinion.

But as for this new one, if i so much as see a glint of white hockey mask anywhere in this film I will take it upon myself to tear down the house of Platinum Dunes. Don't change the series' already flimsy continuity.

And as much as I would love to see Kane Hodder do the burlap sack. I don't see it happening in a prequel. But to be fair he did get to be Uber-Jason. That had to of been fun for him.

[Ought2bCommitted]

First of all why would Jason be in a prequel other than showing him drowning in the first place?

If it is a remake and not a prequel, Jason is likely not to be there since the catalyst for the whole series is:

1) Jason drowning prompting Mrs. Vorhees to avenge his death
and
2) Jason coming back to avenge his mother's death.

Either way, prequel or remake, Jason in a hockey mask or as anything other than a drowning kid is unlikely. Unless when they say "remake" they're going to remake the whole series in one movie...not too hard.... Mrs. Vorhees beheaded in the opening "shock" sequence... Jason returns to avenge her.

C'est La Vie.

[The Machinist]

It's not totally unfeasible to have Jason in a prequel movie following the continuity set forth by the Paramount films.

In Friday 2 they showcase that Jason has been alive and roaming the woods for a long time. Remember his cabin? How awesome of a murderer was he when we were already introduced to him? He was a seasoned pro. Herego he had been killing people long before we meet him in the series.

As for Mrs. Vorhees, who's to say she wasnt aware of Jason's creepy cabin in the woods? After all she was psychotic. But perhaps she also blamed his current mental state on them as well. Maybe one of the reason's Jason is so demented is a direct result of brain trauma he suffered from the drowning. (A type of retardation?) Although this would negate the whole demon entity from Jason Goes to Hell which is fine by me.

I guess what I'm getting at is when Platinum Dunes optioned the franchise rights they were doing so to tell another chapter in the Jason Vorhees legend. And since all the current rumors are pointing to a prequel of sorts and not a remake they will have to find some way to make Jason the central character of the film and not Pamela Vorhees, although it would be nonsensical to have a prequel without her character.

I'm tired and giving this way too much consideration.