View Full Version : 60fps Test: Cats & Guns
Drew599
02-03-2006, 10:38 PM
I just got my camera today and its so fricken bad ass. I was the last one to get it over at EVS. All thanks to Rush. These are just some quick clips I did when I got home. The first one was really dark because I didn't light it and it looks a little grainy because the levels are pushed up. All the other ones I just did a quick little lighting job on.
http://599productions.com/60fpsTests.html
Barry_Green
02-03-2006, 11:54 PM
Nice stuff. Cats accelerating on a slippery wood floor -- excellent. But the gun stuff -- that's gold. I predict a massive influx of HVX gun-based shorts just from that! :)
Thanks for posting clips!
spencer
02-03-2006, 11:57 PM
I really liked the middle two shots. Are they all pretty much raw clips?
imgentertainment@mac
02-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Looks reall good drew. Nice stuff with the gun I was woundering about that exact same shot
Drew599
02-04-2006, 12:23 AM
Barry, thanks for the kind comments. I have a short that I've been waiting for this camera to come in to do that have a little bit of gun play in it. But ever since my brother saw the camera over at EVS we have started planning on doing a whole gun chase scene out in the woods up near Tahoe. Next time I go up there I'm going to get some rapid fire 60fps shots of the Glock and the .223 rifle. This camera is going to really change the way the Hollywood game is played.
Spencer, the only clip that I did anything to was the clip of the cats. All the gun clips were exported right out of FCP with nothing done to them.
penfever
02-04-2006, 06:33 AM
well, a little disturbing, but the footage is quite nice. Those poor cats. :)
TimurCivan
02-04-2006, 07:16 AM
i dont think the cats are poor, i think they are dead.
and how did yo uget the guns slide to go back and forth? liek obviously its a prop, but were did you get it, is it an Airsoft gun? or a purpose built propgun?
bgundu
02-04-2006, 07:35 AM
Guns and HVX don't mix well. :cry:
Erik Olson
02-04-2006, 07:51 AM
I hope those cats can run faster than that! Man, that VariCam gun stuff looks great.
The capacity to do slow motion in-camera is just another amazing advance for independent filmmakers. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share some great footage!
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Emanuel
02-04-2006, 08:15 AM
Guns and HVX don't mix well. :cry::thumbsup: bgundu!
:cry: :cry:
Erik Olson
02-04-2006, 08:26 AM
Dudes - the guy lives in LA. Give him a break on the gun comments.
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Smart Alac
02-04-2006, 08:32 AM
This camera is going to really change the way the Hollywood game is played. No it won't...
Nice footage though....
lpcvideo1
02-04-2006, 08:35 AM
Very good stuff. Thanks for posting it for us.
BTW, guns don't kill cats, bullets do.
Emanuel
02-04-2006, 08:46 AM
Dudes - the guy lives in LA. Give him a break on the gun comments.LA or not... :) anyway, well said bgundu!
filmmaker1977
02-04-2006, 08:50 AM
Well said Emanuel! :thumbup:
Drew599
02-04-2006, 09:45 AM
Xmag68, I got the airsoft gun from a online store, here's the link http://www.shortyusa.com/ . Look for ones that have blow back action in the gas powered section. BTW, I love my cats. They were just a little scared of the camera.
Bgundu and Emanuel, I think from the shots that the HVX and guns do mix, quite well in fact. You just have to treat the gun with respect and realize that it is dangerous. As you can see in the clips (with the real gun) my finger never is placed on the trigger.
Thanks for the comments everyone. I'll post some more stuff soon.
Isaac_Brody
02-04-2006, 11:34 AM
Look at that silky smooth slomo. Good stuff Drew. Keep on posting. :thumbsup:
Danilo Del Tufo
02-04-2006, 01:05 PM
Drew599 , I'm studying salva pistols, are they better to emulate a gun? I'm interested to simultate the fire on the gun when you shot. I know that in regular cinema it's a trick of director of photography and film stock, increase the light of the explosion from the gun. How we can have a professional special effect? With Final Cut or in post production?
We must buy a real gun to make good effects?
And someone has tried to double the 60p to 120p in post (double the footage) ? How the footage looks?
I'm sure that 120p is more good to do a slowmo of a gun when you recharge it,or shot.
Many regards!:beer:
bgundu
02-04-2006, 02:13 PM
BTW, guns don't kill cats, bullets do.
Hmmm... I guess people don't make stupid films, cameras do?
Mitch_Ives
02-04-2006, 03:38 PM
Hmmm... I guess people don't make stupid films, cameras do?
One can only assume that this has something to do with your being from Toronto?
insanityfw
02-04-2006, 04:42 PM
great stuff drew. Thanks for that.
Cat's are funny.
PappasArts
02-04-2006, 05:37 PM
Not to pick sides, however to get it correct.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The same as cameras don't make bad movies, people make bad movies.
Btw if there were no guns people would still kill each other with their bare hands, knives or stones..........
Barry_Green
02-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Especially whenever a new camera comes out.
bklyndv
02-04-2006, 05:47 PM
Especially whenever a new camera comes out.
LOL!
I'm sure this can be taken elsewhere, but... someone's got a much longer shot of killing me with their bare hands than if they have a gun, so that's not exactly correct...
PappasArts
02-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Especially whenever a new camera comes out.
LOL......... Good one Barry!
TimurCivan
02-04-2006, 07:40 PM
yea. People are bad sometimes.
Drew599
02-05-2006, 04:14 AM
Danilo Del Tufo, I know you can buy guns that just fire blanks. The only problem with those is that the muzzel flash becomes an ejector flash. I'm sure there are some out there that have a muzzel flash and that just fire blanks. I'm not sure of how the flash trick is performed. I know that a lot of big films now-a-days just CGI in the flash later. Seems like using blanks would be easier but way more dangerous, remember what happened to Brandon Lee on "The Crow". Scary stuff.
As far as the whole me having a real couple guns is concerned I rather not get into it here in the clips section. I would like to get into it in another section on this forum, just not this one.
Again guys thanks for the comments and I'll post some more stuff tomorrow when I have a chance to go out and shoot(my HVX that is) in the day. I'm also planning on going over to Warner Bros. and throwing some of this footage up on their 2K projector right out of the camera. I'll post in the HVX News section what it looks like when I do that.
Also here's a little present for you gun guys out there. This was not shot on the HVX just to clarify before hand.
http://www.cmmginc.com/vids/M16_Vid_Ad.mpg
BobDiaz
02-06-2006, 01:01 PM
Also here's a little present for you gun guys out there. This was not shot on the HVX just to clarify before hand.
Cool shot, looked like fun!!!
If possible, it would be interesting to see the same thing using over cranking on the HVX-200 to slow things down.
Bob Diaz
Blaine
02-06-2006, 01:15 PM
Xmag68, I got the airsoft gun from a online store, here's the link http://www.shortyusa.com/
Thanks for the link.:thumbsup:
Drew599
02-06-2006, 07:33 PM
BobDiaz, I'm planning on doing some 60fps stuff with my .223 rifle towards the end of the month. Its not as cool as that M16 that guy had but it should look nice. I'll post it when I get it done.
Blaine, not a problem man. Hope it helps you out.
MrBirdBoy
02-06-2006, 08:16 PM
I think we should leave the cats & guns alone and do some slow-mo tests of hot chicks doing Hot Chick Things ...
Running in halter tops, jumping on the bed, .... anything with the dolly test chick from the other thread ....
MY BAD, Go to my Room .....
Sh*t you shot a cat!! ;)
Indy.....
Drew599
02-09-2006, 02:26 PM
No, I didn't shoot any cats. They only got shot with the HVX. Believe me I love my cats, I'm sure it doesn't look that way from the footage of them running away from the camera.
hoofandmouf
02-09-2006, 07:33 PM
looks great bro.
Justyn
02-11-2006, 09:54 PM
I've done a few gun play scenes and scenerios... and have a little advice here for what it's worth.
1- I'd highly recommend hiring a pro gun wrangler/weapons, explosives and such guy. There is a guy here locally who is very reasonable. His rate is 300 for the day, plus 50-75 per blanked out gun, 20 per squib hit, 20 cents a round... and he also does pyro, zerk hits, glass and cemete hits as well.... Locally, I'd recommend Mal Boland from Boland Production Supply.
2. Don't ever bring a real gun on a set. Cops show up, and someone is in some big big trouble. The fake prop rubber guns look good in wide shots.. The blanked out guns are good for close-ups.. and of course for firing.
3. A blanked out gun will deliver some impressive looking footage. The trick that some people talk about involves editing out a couple of frames of the blast.
4. Treat any gun as a real one with the same type of gun safety....
Never.. never.. under any circumstances let you see them sweat...
Drew599
02-12-2006, 03:28 AM
Thanks for the info Justyn. Believe me I know not to bring a real gun out there while I'm filming.
thefilmaddict
02-12-2006, 08:49 PM
Justyn,
Where do you buy these rubber guns from? How do you use them? Do you add muzzle flashes later in post? Do you use flashes to add light on the scene when a rubber gun is fired? How do you do bullet hits on actors or on walls?
I've seen some stock footage sites offering real muzzle flashes (from real guns) shot in a dark room. I would imagine the you do a luma key and add the flashes to you prop gun scene. I've also seen them offer green screen wall hits that you could chroma key on walls to show bullets chipping away at walls. I was hoping to find alternative ways to add muzzle flashes and bullet hits as this stock footage in a HD format costs big bucks. Any ideas?
Sorry, I'm going off topic. Seeing the slow mo gun shots makes me want to shoot a gun battle scene with the HVX200!
dvpixl
02-12-2006, 10:24 PM
those cats scurrying away is hilarious
Drew599
02-12-2006, 10:38 PM
The cats are good for a couple laughs. I wish I would have gotten this at 60fps with my HVX.
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/847/
Blaine
02-12-2006, 10:43 PM
OMG that was funny! :D I'm not a cat person...actually can't stand them. I'd never hurt them or anything, I just hate their independence. ;) I like dogs. ;)
PANA-MAN
02-13-2006, 03:41 PM
"This camera is going to really change the way the Hollywood game is played."
Yep, and isn't always going to be a pretty sight. HD = nice looking pictures.
Talent = great writing, directing, acting, etc.. only when the two are put together is the equation satisfactory. HD + talent = something your audience will actually care about.
Incidentally...where the heck is my Avatar?
OK how did you get the slide to release when you're dryfiring? On a normal glock just the trigger pulls, but there's no blowback to push the slide back.
???
Drew599
02-13-2006, 04:19 PM
Kai, the last clip was an airsoft gun that looks identical to my Glock. It has a blow back action on it. All the shots with the bullets being loaded and unloaded were the real gun. This weekend I should be getting some rapid fire footage of the Glock and the .223 rifle out in the woods.
Justyn
02-13-2006, 08:15 PM
Drew et all. here's some footage of a machine gun firing 800 rounds in like a minute 45.
http://www.filecabi.net/video/m60-machine-gun.html
Justyn
02-13-2006, 08:24 PM
Justyn,
Where do you buy these rubber guns from? How do you use them? Do you add muzzle flashes later in post? Do you use flashes to add light on the scene when a rubber gun is fired? How do you do bullet hits on actors or on walls?
I've seen some stock footage sites offering real muzzle flashes (from real guns) shot in a dark room. I would imagine the you do a luma key and add the flashes to you prop gun scene. I've also seen them offer green screen wall hits that you could chroma key on walls to show bullets chipping away at walls. I was hoping to find alternative ways to add muzzle flashes and bullet hits as this stock footage in a HD format costs big bucks. Any ideas?
Sorry, I'm going off topic. Seeing the slow mo gun shots makes me want to shoot a gun battle scene with the HVX200!
Filmaddict. The rubber guns I got from a prop house here in town. I'm sure there are a few places online. THey are also really great for stuntplay, falls and any type of pistol-whipping. They are really also kind of best left for the wideshots.
I have seen people add muzzle fire, but I spot it right away. Usually comment on how good it looks and that takes me away from the film. I'd highly recommend getting a good gunsmith and using a blanked out gun that has the end of the barrell narrowed.. or whatever it is that they do with the gun.. to not allow anything to fire. You might be getting into some tricky shit here with getting a blanked out gun. One area to persue is your local gunsmith/dealer. Would be a real asset to have a licensed and accredited person on set.. who handles it all the time and who is the only one with loads and such.
Bullet hits on people involved squibs filled with fake blood.. sometimes hamburger is added.. and chunky matter for really big hits. I'm pretty sure that most people use condoms for the casing. The guys that I use here.. Put holster grade leather on top of a shirt and then would apply the squib on top of the charge.. which is connected to a battery type trigger. When they put both ends on the ignition.. or pull that switch/ there is a connection.. the explosive charge goes off and the condom full of blood burts. NOw, the other key to this is to score the shirt... put little microfine slits with a razor so that the explosion comes out of the shirt.. and the shirt/squib also kind of obscure the blast.. so you usually just see the blood spray.
There are a number of books on DIY stuff here. The problem is getting the explosives. You usually need a license and such. I personlly will use the guys that I know. 300 bucks for 8 hours is a real deal.. and they come with 2 million dollars worth of insurance, and about 25 years of experience. THey also have the most amazing collection of guns, rifles, machine guns, everything.
Next time I shoot. I'm going to get the DESERT EAGLE. Now, I wanna see and feel a blank come out of that thing... Man alive.... My friend told me that he fired one at the range where he works and it bruised his hand.. and he didn't want to fire it again it had so much kick.... Maybe I'll get the GOLD one.. Now that's badass.