photoshop filters in AE?

[micah9]

hey this may be a novice question but i haven't found sipmle answers anywhere

i have some 3rd party photoshop filters i would like to use on a video project. can this be done in any programs somehow without having to apply the effect in a frame by frame way (also, i have no experience or knowledge in rotoscoping.)
I tried putting the effects in my AE plugins folder (i know almost nothing about AE) but the effects didn't seem to show up in the program. I did the same for Premiere - the effects showed up, were applied to a clip, and I could even see it in a preview window like where you set the effects levels -- however, after ok'ing the effect, all i got was black on the canvas, before and after rendering.

So are there any other options? If rotoscoping is the only option, then perhaps I can search this board for the basics of rotoscoping....

[surf]

try vector paint. that is good for roto, or masking.

[Jive]

I'm not quite sure I understand. Do you want to apply a photoshop filter to the entire image or do some rotoscoping? They are two fairly different things.

Before AE 5, you could use some Photoshop filters in AE by adding them to AE's plugins folder. Even if the filters couldn't be imported that way, there was another trick that involved importing a Photoshop file with the effect applied. It appears neither of these work since AE 5, so as far as importing a Photoshop filter into AE, you're kinda out of luck.

However, there's nothing stopping you from exporting a series of frames or a filmstrip file, importing it into Photoshop, and applying the filter there. You can use an Action to automate the process.

Here's a good rundown of the process:
http://www.creativemac.com/2003/12_dec/tutorials/aepsplugs031209.htm

As for rotoscoping, there's generally two accepted meanings of that term:

The historical use of the term refers to tracing live action video frame by frame to achieve lifelike motion in hand-drawn animations. This was a technique developed for cell animation

The more current definition of rotoscoping refers to isolating a portion of an image via the use of masks.

The former can be more effictively done in Photoshop (IMHO), though the vector paint feature in AE is worth using as well (you just have more control over brush shapes, ect. in Photoshop).

The latter is far more easily done in AE using paths.

[Scottdvx100]

Rotoscoping and filtering are two different things.
For info on rotoscoping: http://effectscorner.blogspot.com/
Photoshop is not the place to roto moving footage..

Sounds like you want to apply a specific Photoshop filter to a moving clip.
Premiere and possibly some other apps apllow this. If you're on a Mac you can setup an automated process to do this type of thing if you don't need to animate the settings.

[micah9]

cool, thanks guys! yes, like i said, i don't know about rotoscoping, so thank you for clarifying the difference. indeed it is just applying a ps filter to a motion clip that i wanted to do, and am now using the export filmstrip thing to experimanet successfully for now. thanks for your advice and that link!