Kill Bill Series

[Jeremy Ordan]

Tonight I watched Kill Bill (vol. 1) for the first time in about a year.

This movie has got to be considered one of the most absorbing films. From the moment it starts all the way up through the end it grabs onto you and doesn't let go. I forgot how brilliant it is, but this is almost second to how it is filmed. There are steadicam shots that boggle the mind, tons of jib movements, and the editing is nearly seamless throughout.

I completely forgot how brilliant this movie is.

[ZFarms Productions]

i totally agree with you. i love the film. both 1 and 2 are great.

[Blaine]

I understand what he was doing here but the films just didn't grab me. Don't get me wrong, they were decent but for me they were a step down from his previous 3 films. Of course, I've never been a fan of the martial arts films. They just never caught on with me. I'm looking forward to his next film to see where he goes next. I would love to see him quit paying homage to others and give us a look at the real Tarantino. I don't think we've seen it yet.

[spencer]

This is probably blasphemy, but this was actually the first Tarantino film I saw. Kill Bill 1, that is. I watched it on opening night and was just amazed. I was freaking out for hours on end. I went to a football game afterwards at my HS, and the only thing I could talk about was how awesome the movie was. I was like a record on repeat.

I went back and watched Pulp and Reservoir completely (not just snippets from tv), and my life has never been the same ever since.

I dug 2 as much as I did 1. Definately different from QTs other movies, but in a very good way. It kinda did what Cabin Fever did in it's super homage style, but you know, with budget and a tarantino screenplay. I enjoyed it immensely.

[Jim Brennan]

Hudson will be here soon...

THere was lots of good stuff to watch, but only enough story for one film. Self indulgent with flashes of brilliance. Great directing, flawed writing.

[Jeremy Ordan]

See, I think there really is enough story for two films (I haven't seen part 2 in a year or so), but the thing about it that I remember is how different parts one and two are. Part one is like this long exposition and part two has the emotion. Part one has the action and part two has the resolution and depth.

From a simple, here is what we're going to shoot, here are the shots we're going to show, I have never seen better editing than part one. A few hours after seeing it again I am completely obsessing over it still in a good way.

[spencer]

Hudson will be here soon...

THere was lots of good stuff to watch, but only enough story for one film. Self indulgent with flashes of brilliance. Great directing, flawed writing.

I think the writing in the second was brilliant. The way it was structured as well was great. You're never sure of what Bill really is, until the second, and then the film takes a whole new meaning. I thought that was cool.

[Aaron Marshall]

Ya know, I've never been that big of a fan of Tarantino. I never liked his thug violence. I was extremely skeptical of the Kill Bills. I finally saw Vol. 1 and it blew me away. Finally he had some discipline to back the violence up (martial arts). I loved Vol. 2 just as much.

If I had to pick one over the other I would have to go with Vol. 1. I think it flows much better. I like the 2nd one because it ties up loose ends.

[Jim Brennan]

I don't see how you need almost 4 hours to tell a story of betrayal and retribution. Ben Hur wasn't even that long.

I don't blame the guy for doing it. He did it because he could, but (as I have said before) if anybody else turns in that script it doesn't get made. It was Tarantino's direction that made the film work, IMHO. And I know I am in the minority thinking that it didn't really work all that well, but I prefer focus and the brevity of the essential in storytelling.

[dakotapod]

Amazing, brilliant movie for sure! :thumbsup:

[I call the two one movie]

I'm still very pissed at the money grab by making it two movies and will never forgive that. There was not one single reason to split it... other then money
:angry:

Now that said.... I'm watching it AGAIN this weekend in full. Been too long :)

[J.R. Hudson]

Thanks Yankee man (my future NC brethren) for bringing up some Tarantino.

I have always been a fan of QT; from Dogs, to Pulp and the amazing Jackie Brown. The Four Room's segment with Bruce to Screenplay's like Natural Born, True Romance and From Dusk Till Dawn

When I first saw KIll Bill I was admittedly taken aback. I knew it was a homage to the martial arts films but I had no idea how quirky it would be (The Bernard Herrman score, the Animated sequence, the gushing (Splurting) blood scenes, the black and white opening, the 70's 'theatre' music.........

But, after seeing Kill Bill 2 and piecing it together I have become such a huge fan. Genius. Really.

Person's who don't get Tarantino I just don't understand how. (Not for vulgairty or violence cause i can dig that; but the art and craft of filmmaking)

People like to say 'He rips off'

I say bullshit. Homage central and in a way that is so complimentary. It takes mastery to do what QT does.

His films are an event and there ar eno other filmmkaers alive (if ever) that can claim that.

He truley is the bastard child of cinema.

[Jim Brennan]

His films are an event and there ar eno other filmmkaers alive (if ever) that can claim that.



Hitchcock?
DeMille?
Kubrick?

[Blaine]

And how about:

Francis Ford Coppola
Ridley Scott
Steven Spielberg (yes, there I said it)
John Huston

[Jim Brennan]

And he's got nothing on guys like Howard Hawkes and Billy Wilder who could make masterpieces in EVERY genre.

I like Tarantino, more for the way he shook things up than anything. But he doesn't show a lot of...range.

[Blaine]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan, especially the first three topped by Jackie Brown, but I just can't anoint him the best ever.

[J.R. Hudson]

I dig it guys !

I don't know about the others (and Im not doubting their mastery) I'm only referencing my gene and what I know.

No. I dont think Scott nor Spielberg conjurs up an event vibe with new releases; The Terminal ? Kingdom of Heaven ? Matchstick Men ? Catch Me If You Can ? (I am in no way disrespecting Steve or Ridley)

I suppose Kubrick could generate some hype; I personally never got Kubrick.

Coppola? NO way ! Rainmmaker? Jack ? Tucker?

[dakotapod]

How can a list of masters be here without noting McG???

[Blaine]

I dig it guys !

I don't know about the others (and Im not doubting their mastery) I'm only referencing my gene and what I know.

No. I dont think Scott nor Spielberg conjurs up an event vibe with new releases; The Terminal ? Kingdom of Heaven ? Matchstick Men ? Catch Me If You Can ? (I am in no way disrespecting Steve or Ridley)

I suppose Kubrick could generate some hype; I personally never got Kubrick.

Coppola? NO way ! Rainmmaker? Jack ? Tucker?

Cherry picker. :grin:
Coppola: The Godfather, Apocolypse Now, The Outsiders, Dracula
Spielberg: Jaws, Schindler's List, Munich, Saving Private Ryan, Raiders of the Lost Ark
Scott: Gladiator, Alien, Blade Runner and yes, Kingdom of Heaven :thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

LMAO Cherrypicker !

I friggin love Spielberg and Coppollas work that has been listed !

I just meant IMO Tarantino has a solid track record (No Catch me's or Jack's on his resume yet)

[Blaine]

LMAO Cherrypicker !

I friggin love Spielberg and Coppollas work that has been listed !

I just meant IMO Tarantino has a solid track record (No Catch me's or Jack's on his resume yet)

Yes, but he's only done five movies. Well, really only four. :)
Like I said, I'm a fan but he needs to put together a substantial body of work to be compared to the greats. :thumbup:

[J.R. Hudson]

I agree 100 %

Bring on The Bastards!

[Blaine]

:thumbsup:

[Brandon Rice]

I am sorry, but I've seen these movies once, and I do not have to see them again, if you know what I mean.

[J.R. Hudson]

I am appalled. ( Sigh )

[Kubrick71]

Not getting Kubrick to me is like not getting Tarantino.

The only excuse I can understand for not seeing Tarantino's brilliance, is an extreme disposition towards violence (even in idea) and profanity.

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...and I believe Paul Thomas Anderson's films will soon create hype with the best of them.

[J.R. Hudson]

I hear ya'

ANd so I am told. I'm gonna have to go on a Kubrick Rental spree or something and do some soul searching

[Kubrick71]

If there was ever a thing for anyone to do, that is the thing.

Let your interpretation begin!

[Sean Michael]

Kubrick's directing style was totally unique (and not for everyone). He once told Speilberg that he "wanted to change the form." I don't think anyone ever accused Kubrick of being imitative.

There was definitely an "event vibe" with his releases because Kubrick was so meticulous. Speilberg, by contrast, is quite prolific.

Tarantino seems like a kid in a candy store (in a good way). As Ebert said, he could make a bad movie, but not a boring one.

[Jeremy Ordan]

Just FYI, Kill Bill & Jackie Brown are on Starz tonight.

That being said, QT really hits a chord with me. I think he brings a breath of fresh air to almost everything he touches. Now I am still under the opinion that his best work is made up of his early scripts, True Romance & Natural Born Killers. Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction I think are great films, but with the Kill Bill series I think he showed that he can be a PT Barnum. He can combine the sights, sounds, dialogue, and story that is the greatest show on earth. While I am not attempting to take anything away from QT, he is a showman in a world of boring Hollywood cliches. There is an originality to the man, and while I do consider him still a master of filmmaking in training, I think that he has all of the elements that combine style, energy, originality, and WTF that just makes him this generation of filmmakings Speilberg, Hitchcock, or Ford.

If Speilbergs name is on a movie, it creates some excitement. QT's name on a movie is an event. I remember seeing Pulp Fiction the day it came out and no one walked out of that theatre with their mouth not on the floor. Hell, it is even a movie that ages well, which is something that we can only attribute to a great filmmaker.

In my opinion, I think that he is the most exciting person working today with what he has given us, but relating this all back to the topic, Kill Bill is all of his previous experience combined with inspiration (kung fu films with vengence, 70's vibe) all mixed together, and shaken, not stirred, to pure excellence.

[Brandon Rice]

I am appalled. ( Sigh )

Sorry man, just not my thing (Kill Bill). To me it had no plot, and just a lot of cool stylized action/fight scenes, which for awhile were interesting then they just kind of got old.

[Jim Brennan]

Well, I don't totally agree. There was a plot. It was simple: Betrayed hit woman seeks revenge on those who betrayed her. Everything else was smoke and mirrors. Now some of those shiny things were fun to look at for a while, but how much did they advance the actual story? Did the fight scene with the crazy 88 need to be that long to show how well the bride fought? No. QT does stuff like that because he can. He tells his story his way. In the strictest sense of things, it's not classically good storytelling because the focus becomes centered on the expository device moreso than how the device drives the story.

But then again, what is a good story but a story people like? Different strokes and all that. But still, if he doesn't make a different type of movie, or learn to tell a story differently, I don't think he'll be remembered for much besides Dogs and Pulp. Not that those aren't movies he should be proud of.

[Brandon Rice]

Ok, I don't mean no plot, I meant a very shallow plot, nothing that developed either.

[Jeremy Ordan]

See, I have got to disagree with the depth of the plot and that being used as a strike against this film. I think that revenge is an inate almost animalistic instinct inside all human beings. If we're wronged we seek to justify that wrong, right it, and punish those who have wronged us. Now, how many of us act upon this instinct and how many of us either let it go or bottle it up?

I think that the premise that the plot was based on was perfect, as the story unfolds we're given the background of the bride, but more importantly, we're given a view into this persons life. I think between the two volumes I actually prefer the second because it does add in the depths, but if we're to view it as one full story, it works completely.

Regarding the length of the fight scene, was it too long? That's a hard question for me to answer because at no point was I yawning during a fight sequence like I did in the second and third installments of the Matrix saga. These sequences always seemed to be moving forward and not be overindulgent (their length never pulled me out of the experience of the movie).

As with everything QT does, it is the little things that really stayed with me after the film. I will just give some examples from KBv1 since I watched it last night. First of all, she erases Bill's name from the fog in Hanzo's sword room. Before the fight sequence with Oren Ishi (Lucy Lui's best role ever) she grabs the kid in the blue room and spanks him, reinforcing that motherly instinct and what she has lost and what she is fighting for.

Ultimately, as I have said earlier, what makes QT so amazing in my opinion is his ability to balance his shot choice. This is something that as a filmmaker I struggle with, when to cut and why. A great example of this is QT's films is in Pulp Fiction where Jimmy (QT) and Mr Wolf (Keitel) are talking in the bedroom. He does this whole shot with a locked down camera on a dolly moving ever so slightly. It's a three minute sequence from a master shot outside the bedroom. If it was my sequence I would be cutting like crazy with OTS and close ups, but his method works better. I think that he is just an incredible filmmaker with visualizing a different approach to presenting his vision, but more than that, you can see where he is taking little things he has learned and applying them aptly as his career progresses.

[Blaine]

Well, I don't totally agree. There was a plot. It was simple: Betrayed hit woman seeks revenge on those who betrayed her. Everything else was smoke and mirrors. Now some of those shiny things were fun to look at for a while, but how much did they advance the actual story? Did the fight scene with the crazy 88 need to be that long to show how well the bride fought? No. QT does stuff like that because he can. He tells his story his way. In the strictest sense of things, it's not classically good storytelling because the focus becomes centered on the expository device moreso than how the device drives the story.

But then again, what is a good story but a story people like? Different strokes and all that. But still, if he doesn't make a different type of movie, or learn to tell a story differently, I don't think he'll be remembered for much besides Dogs and Pulp. Not that those aren't movies he should be proud of.

Ditto, but I'd add Jackie Brown to Dogs and Pulp. I DO believe that when he's through with his homage to all the genres of cinema and finds his own particular voice we may see something really special.:thumbsup:

[david_kuznicki]

Ditto, but I'd add Jackie Brown to Dogs and Pulp. I DO believe that when he's through with his homage to all the genres of cinema and finds his own particular voice we may see something really special.:thumbsup:

See, that's the thing about Quentin... as much as I love his films (I'm probably his biggest fan), I'm not sure that there's much more to him than homage. And I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with that, either. You can make the case that every film is an homage to something else.

I didn't invent the phrase, and I can't recall where I read it, but the author said that QT's greatest gift was synthesis. I agree with that. But, as much as I'd be curious to see what something of this that was truly original looked like... I can't help but think that it might pale in comparison to his homage-type films.

Dammit, bring on "Grindhouse." I can't wait!

David Kuznicki
Production Manager, WGTE-TV30

[Jim Brennan]

I never said the basis of the plot was bad. Revenge is right up there with boy meets girl for the best idea for a story.

I give QT huge props as a director. Synthesis is a good word for what he does. I just think his style of film-making in KB was self indulgent. A scene should be as long as it needs to be to effectively drive the plot. You can work within that framework and create very intersting scenes. The same with dialogue. Throwing in witty banter should serve a purpose. That means it needs to be either character or plot motivated. You don't put a line in a film because you think it sounds cool. That's self-indulgent. Story is substance. Everything else is style.

[Blaine]

The same with dialogue. Throwing in witty banter should serve a purpose. That means it needs to be either character or plot motivated. You don't put a line in a film because you think it sounds cool. That's self-indulgent. Story is substance. Everything else is style.

I am so torn on this. I agree with what you're saying but the thing I really love about QT is his dialogue. That's one thing, you can always pick out in a movie written by him. :undecided

[Steve Strickland]

QT brings all his influences together and, much like a hip-hop artist, samples and assembles them into a completely new work of art. His mastery of mood and vibe is undeniable. When you're watching a QT film, there's no question about who is calling the shots. He hasn't let us down yet. With four or so films behind him, he's already amassed a portfolio that a lot of directors might envy.

On another note, I wish they would release Kill Bill 1&2 together as a director's cut on a special edition DVD. That would rock.

[Jeremy Ordan]

Vjbrennan, you really got me thinking with your comment, and as much as I agree with it as a concept, I cannot get my mind around it. It's like I know the Universe is infinite, but my mind cannot fathom a concept of infinity. Just can't grasp the possibility.

I know what you are saying about it being self indulgent, but I really feel that in a movie that is an homage to a certain culture in order to illustrate the point, it needs to go on that long. I think that you need to see every angle, every cut, every gush of blood. I cannot imagine for a moment what that sequence would have been like had all the crazy 88's run in, surrounded her, they cut to a full shot of them all around her moving in, then a close up to her eyes, and then everyone is dead on the ground gushing. I think this is one of those situations where it needs to be all or nothing, and the all of it is what you are rooting and chearing for.

Kill Bill, more than most fight scenes I have seen, has a perfect balance of length and violence shown. To go back to my comparison with the second and third incarnations of Neo in the Matrix films, these are excessive. Those fight scenes had me losing interest because of how long they went on for. Kill Bill really held my attention on the first viewing, the second viewing, and now on the 6th or 7th viewing. There is something about those scenes that works, even with being as long as they are.

I really like your sentiment about including only what progresses the story, and I do agree with this, but in everything in life you do things because they're fun and enjoyable rather than just progressing your life. Does that make sense at all?

[Jim Brennan]

In the end, if you have fans you must be connecting with them, so it's working. I guess since I am a writer first, that's what I look at.

There's a lot to like. I just don't like as much as some do.

[J.R. Hudson]

Briceman ?

I disagree that Kill Bill was shallow in depth.

Think of this following example (from the wonderful world of Wiki)

In cinematic order:
Chapter One: (2)
Chapter Two: The blood-splattered BRIDE
Chapter Three: The Origin of O-Ren
Chapter Four: The MAN From OKINAWA
Chapter Five: Showdown at House of Blue Leaves
Chapter Six: Massacre at Two Pines
Chapter Seven: The lonely grave of Paula Schultz
Chapter Eight: The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei
Chapter Nine: ELLE and I
Last Chapter: Face to Face In rough chronological order:
Chapter Three: The Origin of O-Ren
Chapter Eight: The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei
Chapter Six: Massacre at Two Pines
Chapter Two: The blood-splattered BRIDE
Chapter Four: The MAN From OKINAWA
Chapter Five: Showdown at House of Blue Leaves
Chapter One: (2)
Chapter Seven: The lonely grave of Paula Schultz
Chapter Nine: ELLE and I
Last Chapter: Face to Face
Just reading the plot description here reminds me of the complexity of the story. Read the page !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Bill

[Brandon Rice]

Ok, I see your point. Maybe it isn't so shallow, but still not a fan. Just not my thing I guess. Glad you all like it!

[Draccan]

amen .... to John...

I think the story has much more to it... not shallow at all..

[Jeremy Ordan]

OK, I just got done watching Kill Bill Vol. 2 again (I'm home from work sick today) and I have finally figured out what is the best line in the history of Tarantino writing. For as great as the Walken speach in Pulp Fiction is, for as brilliant as the Zed dead from Pulp Fiction, for as great as the Like a Virgin is from Res. Dogs, for as strong as the whole, '$hit man, I'm a Natural Born Killer" from NBK, and for as incredible it is seeing Walken and Hopper square off with the 'you've never seen evil so perfectly personified as you did in the face of the man who killed you' speach from True Romance...

At the end of Kill Bill

Bill: "How do I look?"

Bride: "Ready."

That sums up this entire film and is why QT is the man.

-Jeremy

[uhrgl]

I love KB 1 and 2 -- it was amazing to watch those in packed theatres when they came out. I've seen each one twice. I'm holding out for special edition DVDs.

[The Machinist]

I'm holding out for special edition DVDs.

Same here but i haven't heard any rumors about em in well over a year. Hope we don't have to wait till like the 10th anniversary.

[Filmjunkie677]

Last I heard they are going to release voulume 1 and 2 cut together in the theatre at the end of the year and then the dvd's will come out in 2007.

[Jeremy Ordan]

I never heard that, but I would go see it again theatrically. I think these are brilliant movies and I can't wait to see what QT does next.

-Jeremy

[J.R. Hudson]

Tarantino is a stud; bring on The Bastards damn it!

[CallaghanFilms]

Tarantino is more than respectable as a director...

But I give him the highest of praise as a writer (one of the best of the last 20 odd years...if not the best.)

[Jeremy Ordan]

Tarantino is more than respectable as a director...

But I give him the highest of praise as a writer (one of the best of the last 20 odd years...if not the best.)

I agree, but in my opinion he is the best writer director working today. M. Night is far far behind in talent, style, and balls.

-Jeremy

[J.R. Hudson]

I agree.

M Night needs to grow a pair.

Tarantino is indeed the best filmmaker working today. The ballsiest, the gutsiest, the most creative, the most original.

[Filmjunkie677]

Agreed.

Shymalamadingdong needs to make an R rated feature. That would be kickass.

[J.R. Hudson]

Shymalamadingdong ?

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~bclee2/tempo/lmao.jpg

[CallaghanFilms]

...Tarantino is indeed the best filmmaker working today...:shocked:
Say it ain't so, Joe!

[J.R. Hudson]

Then who ?

[CallaghanFilms]

Then who ?First off...I could see his being
The ballsiest, the gutsiestargued (and a strong argument it is.)

But (as a filmmaker, not as a writer) the best, the most creative and the most original?

Damn...off the top of my head I'd say the best working today:
Spielberg
-then-
Mel Gibson
-then-
Ridley Scott
-then-
a few other names
-then-
Tarantino probably around #6 or #7

[Filmjunkie677]

Mel Gibson?

Not with 2 features under his belt and one not even in this language. He's not even in the top 20.

Yes, Braveheart is one of the best of the ninties, but that's all.

[J.R. Hudson]

Uwe Bolle is my favortie of all-time. House of the Dead ruled!

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Okay okay Callaghan

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I love the work of Gibson, Spielberg, Scorsese, DePalma, M Knightshbangagong get it on bang a gong and on and on and on ...

But Tarrantino is the only filmmaker that excites me. Steve is the master, pure and simple but always stays true to the demands of Hollywood. Gibson is a stud; I am a huge fan of Mel onscreen and behind the glass but Quentin is the one working filmmaker that makes me just want to make films.

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It's hard to Quantify. I'm not disrespecting the other guys; Spielberg is the reason I want to make films in the first place, but QT continues to breathe life into my soul.

[CallaghanFilms]

Mel Gibson?

Not with 2 features under his belt and one not even in this language. He's not even in the top 20.

Yes, Braveheart is one of the best of the ninties, but that's all.

I disagree. I think when all is said and done, history will remember Gibson even more as a director than as an actor (keep in mind, he's got alot o' films left in him...he's barely 50). This is true IMO even more so than Clint (who will always be remembered equally as an actor as well)

[Filmjunkie677]

I saw a Charlie Rose interview with QT when Jackie Brown came out and Rose asked him what his three living directors that influence him the most are.

He said Spielberg, DePalma, and Scorsese. He went on to describe a conversation he had with Spielberg before Private Ryan came out and Spielberg told him "I'm going to make the greatest D-Day invasion of the beach at Normandy ever."

Tarantino replied... "You don't need to tell me, anything you tackle is usually the greatest ever"

[Filmjunkie677]

Actually Callaghan, I was wrong when I said 2 features. He did direct "Payback" or so the rumors go. Right?

I love Payback.

[CallaghanFilms]

The Passion was beautifully made...

Plus he should get mega filmmaking points for making a film that looked like it cost 5-6 times what he actually made it for (and outta his own pocket no less)

[J.R. Hudson]

Gibson is a stud.

Braveheart alone is like worth 2 films it was so perfect. (No really)

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The Passion was beautifully done (although I have always wanted to see more of the days before

OFF TOPIC:

What I really want is a remake of The Ten Commandments

ON TOPIC:

He also did THE MAN WITHOUT A FACE which, although not GREAT certainly not bad as a Rookie effort.

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I think Apocalypto is going to be a player.

[The Machinist]

THE MAN WITHOUT A FACE

Love that flick.

And i too think Apocalypto will be huge.


However i also think Munich marked the return of Spielberg the Legend and i hope for more films from him and less from Hollywood Steven.

[CallaghanFilms]

He also did THE MAN WITHOUT A FACE which, although not GREAT certainly not bad as a Rookie effort.It was a moving little flick...
and for poo poo's sake...
for it being his first time at bat?!
forgettaboutit!

I think Apocalypto is going to be a player.you and me both there, pally :thumbsup:

Edit:
I disagree with one comment, though...
Braveheart is worth five films at least

[Jeremy Ordan]

I agree that Braveheart is a great film, but my problem with Gibson extends way past the whole Braveheart thing. I think it started when he did the Patriot. In my opinion the only difference between Braveheart and the Patriort is:

"Unite the clans" became "Unite the militia"

Just not a big fan at all since then. I thought Passion just was an insult (not trying to open a religious discussion), but at the same time, I think that Gibson has become Gibson's biggest fan.

Personally, any day of the week I take a QT film.

-Jeremy

[Blaine]

I agree that Braveheart is a great film, but my problem with Gibson extends way past the whole Braveheart thing. I think it started when he did the Patriot. In my opinion the only difference between Braveheart and the Patriort is:

"Unite the clans" became "Unite the militia"
I'm not sure this is a legitimate criticism of his directorial talents. His only involvement with The Patriot was at the acting level. It was directed by Roland Emmerich and produced by Dean Devlin, Mark Gordon and Gary Levinsohn.

Braveheart is the second best movie of all time, only surpassed by The Wind and the Lion.

[Jeremy Ordan]

Braveheart is the second best movie of all time, only surpassed by The Wind and the Lion.

I laughed when I read that... I guess I was just expecting a "In my opinion" prior to such a massive statement like that. I think it is a great film, but to say that it is the second greatest film ever? That's a bold statement that I don't agree with.

-Jeremy

[Blaine]

I laughed when I read that... I guess I was just expecting a "In my opinion" prior to such a massive statement like that. I think it is a great film, but to say that it is the second greatest film ever? That's a bold statement that I don't agree with.

-Jeremy
Henderson over Dimaggio? :evil:


btw: " I guess I was just expecting a "In my opinion" prior to such a massive statement like that." I made the statement on something as subjective as Best Movie, so obviously it's MY OPINION. That should be a given. :thumbsup:

[Aaron Marshall]

I think he's a better director than a writer myself. I dig his writing, but at times it just gets a little too dragged out and unbelievable. It feels like you're having a nerdy conversation with "that kid" in high school. That's part of its charm, and weakness from my perspective.

Directing... damn the dude is a perfectionist. After seeing the Kill Bill's I think he's one of my favorite directors ever. I love how he doesn't just crap out a movie every year. He waits and plans like a true artist. He focuses on creating something great, and not being prolific. I respect that.

[spidey]

they spilt because average people couldnt watch 4 or so hours of film :-p

[Isaac_Brody]

I dug em both, but would have preferred em as one film.

[spidey]

same.. love it though saw both in theater 2 times

[Pen Cap Chew]

I'm probably the only who has done this, but I watched Vol. 2 first (I bought it used in some junk shop and there wasn't Vol.1). Well, based on Vol.2, I have no interest in bothering with Vol 1. I came away with -- what a bunch of nothing. Not exciting, not interesting, just bad all around. This is good writing? The only good thing I can say is Carradine is a better actor than I thought. But wow, why the hype? .. what a waste of time really. Yeah, I know, you all will say I must see Vol 1 before forming an opinion but no thanks. There's no way he can make up for Vol. 2. The only good QT film IMO is Dogs. I didn't care for Pulp. What can I say? I enjoy QT's interviews more than his movies.

[The Machinist]

I didn't care for Pulp. What can I say? I enjoy QT's interviews more than his movies


Well that just says it all.

[Filmjunkie677]

lol.

[Isaac_Brody]

I'm probably the only who has done this, but I watched Vol. 2 first

So you saw the sequel before the original? Or in the case of Kill Bill, that's like only watching the second half of the film. What are you smoking? :Drogar-Smoke(DBG):

I'm sorry, if you sit down an hour into a film and call it crap from not watching the beginning I gotta call bullshit.

[Pen Cap Chew]

Well that just says it all.

I agree.

[Filmjunkie677]

This is good writing? .

No....It's Excellent writing.

[Pen Cap Chew]

So you saw the sequel before the original? Or in the case of Kill Bill, that's like only watching the second half of the film. What are you smoking? :Drogar-Smoke(DBG):

I'm sorry, if you sit down an hour into a film and call it crap from not watching the beginning I gotta call bullshi*.

It's simple. I can tell the Godfather II is great without seeing the first. KB Vol 2 is supposed to hold up on it's own. Everything about Vol 2 doesn't interest me. I found it to be boring and silly (silly in a bad way). QT style bores me.

[Pen Cap Chew]

No....It's Excellent writing.

Really, what is good about it? I like some QT dialogue (Dogs and Pulp) but KB Vol2 didn't have much worthwhile. The story itself was bad writing.

[Isaac_Brody]

I still think it's silly not to watch the film in its entirety, but I dig QT's style.

[J.R. Hudson]

I'm probably the only who has done this, but I watched Vol. 2 first (I bought it used in some junk shop and there wasn't Vol.1). Well, based on Vol.2, I have no interest in bothering with Vol 1. I came away with -- what a bunch of nothing. Not exciting, not interesting, just bad all around. This is good writing? The only good thing I can say is Carradine is a better actor than I thought. But wow, why the hype? .. what a waste of time really. Yeah, I know, you all will say I must see Vol 1 before forming an opinion but no thanks. There's no way he can make up for Vol. 2. The only good QT film IMO is Dogs. I didn't care for Pulp. What can I say? I enjoy QT's interviews more than his movies.

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

-

So you saw the second part of a 2 part act and have formed your opinion ?

No thanks.

[CallaghanFilms]

I still think it's silly not to watch the film in its entirety, but I dig QT's style.Agreed.

Issac, just curious...
what's your http://www.geocities.com/the_callaghans/emoticon-14.gif on the state of the director? Who would you list as the top 3 active filmmakers?

[Blaine]

I'm not a big fan of the Kill Bill series BUT it's not a bad movie. I found it entertaining, but not up to the standards I had come to expect from QT. I own both DVDs and have watched them a couple of times. For me, they're popcorn movies.

[Filmjunkie677]

Like Issac said,
How can you say the story itself was bad writing when you only saw the second half?
Volume 2 wasn't a sequal, the volumes are meant to be watched together. You watch volume 1 and volume 2, the story is actually quite excellent.

[Blaine]

Like Issac said,
How can you say the story itself was bad writing when you only saw the second half?
Volume 2 wasn't a sequal, the volumes are meant to be watched together. You watch volume 1 and volume 2, the story is actually quite excellent.
Releasing them a year apart was a mistake, in that respect.

[Filmjunkie677]

Releasing them a year apart was a mistake, in that respect.

i think it was 6 months, but regardless, I agree it def. was a mistake. But that's not QT's fault, it was Harvey Weinstein's. Tarantino always meant for them to be watched together.

[Pen Cap Chew]

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

-

So you saw the second part of a 2 part act and have formed your opinion ?

No thanks.

Obviously QT and the studio released the films in two VOLs because (besides the money) they think VOL 2 holds up on it's own. If you guys can't tell good writing after 2+ hours of any movie, in any sequence, then I feel for you. Bad is bad. Nothing can save it.

[Blaine]

i think it was 6 months, but regardless, I agree it def. was a mistake. But that's not QT's fault, it was Harvey Weinstein's. Tarantino always meant for them to be watched together.
Not faulting QT for a marketing decision. He's a director, not a bean counter :thumbsup:

[The Machinist]

If you guys can't tell good writing after 2+ hours of any movie, in any sequence, then I feel for you. Bad is bad. Nothing can save it.


It is of your opinion that the writing was bad.

I and the majority here would disagree i think. However that doesn't make us right either.

What i think is the major factor here is you aren't a Tarantino fan to begin with so trying to argue with you is moot.

[J.R. Hudson]

Well, he liked Solaris Machineman. That alone has to be some kind of curve


If you guys can't tell good writing after 2+ hours of any movie, in any sequence, then I feel for you. Bad is bad.

Once again, you seem to be in the minority on this one. They're 2 different films, but you wouldn't know that because you haven't even seen V1

-

Go plop down the $2.99 and watch it and then come back to us. Honestly, your basing an opinion off of an uncompleted journey. Until then, your opinion means nothing in this discussion.

[Blaine]

Well, he liked Solaris Machineman. That alone has to be some kind of curve
I remember that, now. That movie IMO was a total waste of time. Two hours I'll never have back.

[The Machinist]

Ohh yea Solaris. Terrible.

I only watched half of it.

Terrible.

[J.R. Hudson]

PenCap

One Chapter is all you need to say in V1:

Showdown at House of Blue Leaves


-

Holy mother of filmmaking !

[Pen Cap Chew]

Well, he liked Solaris Machineman. That alone has to be some kind of curve



Once again, you seem to be in the minority on this one. They're 2 different films, but you wouldn't know that because you haven't even seen V1

-

Go plop down the $2.99 and watch it and then come back to us. Honestly, your basing an opinion off of an uncompleted journey. Until then, your opinion means nothing in this discussion.

I was QT fan with Dogs then I lost interest with his subsequent films. I see clearly that KB vol 1 is not going to work for me so I'm avoiding it. God, I can see it now ... Oooh Bill is so nasty ... poor Uma ... now Uma's running around trying to get revenge on Bill, blah blah blah ... assassins here and there, blah blah blah ... looky all the cool blood flowing, splurt spulrt, Uma barely escaped that one!, blah blah blah, ect.... I'll pass.

I'm in the minority because the majority is usually (not always) blind.

[Pen Cap Chew]

Ohh yea Solaris. Terrible.

I only watched half of it.

Terrible.

You'll only watched half of it? Ha! Don't you know better? ... that you must watch the ENTIRE film before basing an opinion? :violent5:

[Blaine]

I'm in the minority because the majority is usually (not always) blind.
So basically, if we learn to love insipid crap like Solaris and sing kumbaya with you we'll understand what a good movie is? I don't think so.

[J.R. Hudson]

That is exactly the kind of monster I presume we are dealing with Blaine.

-

You liked Dogs but lost interest with subsequent films. Can't argue with that. If you did not like Pulp or Jackie I can barely summon a reply.



You'll only watched half of it? Ha! Don't you know better? ... that you must watch the ENTIRE film before basing an opinion? :violent5:

Hardly. But cute.


I'm in the minority because the majority is usually (not always) blind.

Don't try so hard.

Why don't you give us your top 20 films of all time (in no order) so we can get a better understanding of what were dealing with here.

And if you think Tarantino is where the cattle go ?

Aye yae yae

[Pen Cap Chew]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually.

[The Machinist]

You'll only watched half of it? Ha! Don't you know better? ... that you must watch the ENTIRE film before basing an opinion?

Fighting Sarcasm with Sarcasm rarely works.



I'm in the minority because the majority is usually (not always) blind.

You rebel.

[Isaac_Brody]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually.

You just stepped into personal attack territory. Take a deep breath, remove your fingers from the keyboard, and let the argument go.

[J.R. Hudson]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually.

You are honestly 'this close' to getting ousted from this site.

-

Now give us your 20 masterpieces.

[The Machinist]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap

Now you're just trolling.

For a while i wanted to assume you were just another respectful adult member of the DVXUSER community.

From you're last few comments i guess i assumed incorrectly.

Should've known better after seeing the derivative "Misfits" Avatar you're sporting

[TC]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually....and I think you're lacking what it takes to make any kind of judgement about anyone on this board.

[Filmjunkie677]

I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually.


Wow. I'm not even gonna respond to that. Especially when you don't even have 50 posts and don't deserve a response.

You're pushing your luck.

[TC]

Should've known better after seeing the derivative "Misfits" Avatar you're sportingHey, hey, hey. Let's not go bashing the Misfits because of this guy.

[Pen Cap Chew]

That's not fair, you guys. John called me a monster before I made those remarks.

[The Machinist]

For you TC. I'll take it back.

[Filmjunkie677]

Well, he's John Hudson. He can do those things. He's earned it. You haven't.

And I don't want this thread locked, so lets just chill, okay?

[TC]

For you TC. I'll take it back.Sweeeet. :thumbsup:

[Pen Cap Chew]

Well, he's John Hudson. He can do those things. He's earned it. You haven't.

And I don't want this thread locked, so lets just chill, okay?

Well that doesn't seem right. Anyway, I was only giving my opinion based on the movies you guys like. You guys attack me constantly about Solaris but that's okay? It doesn't bother me because I'm cool like that. But if you can dish it, learn to take it.

[The Machinist]

I didn't even know you liked Solaris let alone attack you constantly about it.


And somehow i doubt anyone's dismissals of Solaris were as vehement and personal as your own.

But since i can't recall any i could be wrong.

Anyway the points been made.

Pen Cap Chew = Tarantino Hater.


You can turn that into a gimick i'll bet.

[TC]

because I'm cool like that.And modest too!

:grin: (I'm just screwin' with ya.)

[J.R. Hudson]

So close. So friggin close.

(because I can)

[TC]

John has the :evil: and :engel017: on his sholders right now.

[Blaine]

John has the :evil: and :engel017: on his sholders right now.
Classic use of the emoticon, TC :thumbsup:

[TC]

:beer:

[Jeremy Ordan]

I stop viewing a thread for a few hours and look what happens. I'm telling you... ARGH...

This is why it is good that we have that filter because poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo

I almost got carried away

-Jeremy

[Pen Cap Chew]

John, let me know when I'm RIGHT on the edge so I don't step over the line of no return. You all don't need to be so brittle -- I'm just giving an honest opinion of what I think of your movie choices.

As John requested, here's my top 57 favorite films of all time LOL (I'm sure I missed some of my favs but these came to mind first). I have a lot of other films I like but these are my absolute favorites. It's hard to put them in the right order of what I like best but you get the idea.

1.) Leolo
2.) Raiders of the Lost Ark
3.) Lawrence of Arabia
4.) The Godfather II
5.) Close Encounters of the Third Kind
6.) The Graduate
7.) The Godfather
8.) Trainspotting
9.) Songs from the Second Floor
10.) Raising Arizona
11.) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
12.) Bladerunner
13.) Taxi Driver
14.) Chinatown
15.) Bonnie and Clyde
16.) Fargo
17.) The Road Warrior
18.) 2001: A Space Odyssey
19.) Eraserhead
20.) The Deer Hunter
21.) Alien
22.) Schinder's List
23.) The Exorcist
24.) The Wizard of Oz
25.) American Beauty
26.) Drugstore Cowboy
27.) Blood Simple
28.) The Planet of the Apes
29.) Magnolia
30.) The Empire Strikes Back
31.) Apocalypse Now (I hesitate to put this because of the animal abuse/death)
32.) Badlands
33.) Ratcatcher
34.) Come and See
35.) The Shining
36.) Donnie Darko
37.) Jacob's Ladder
38.) The Cement Garden
39.) Reservoir Dogs
40.) Star Wars
41.) Lord of the Rings films
42.) Memento
43.) Buffalo '66
44.) Jaws
45.) Amelie
46.) Waking Life
47.) Run Lola Run
48.) The Apartment
49.) The Bicycle Thief
50.) A Christmas Story
51.) Dog Day Afternoon
52.) Cool Hand Luke
53.) The Elephant Man
54.) American Movie
55.) Forest Gump
56.) The Machinist
57.) The Return

[The Machinist]

(I hesitate to put this because of the animal abuse/death)

Why does this bother you?

It was a spirtual ritual of a tribal people if i remember correctly.

Unless of course you're a vegetarian in which case i can understand not liking the scene.

however it shouldn't make you hesitate in liking one of the greatest films of all time.

[J.R. Hudson]

You'll know. The next time you throw out 'You are lacking the judgement to know what a good film is" I promise.

- Now back to our regualry scheduled program -

This list rocks. There are some notable films I can't do:

Buffalo '66, Jacob's Ladder and a small handful of films I have not seen such as Leolo, Songs from the Second Floor and The Cement Garden but this list is closer to what I like than expected. I'd say close to a 28% of your films are on my best ever list ( as others I am sure):


Raiders of the Lost Ark
Lawrence of Arabia
The Godfather II
Closer Encounters of the Third Kind
The Godfather
Taxi Driver
The Road Warrior
The Deer Hunter
Alien (make my choice Aliens)
Schinder's List
The Exorcist
American Beauty
The Planet of the Apes (Original I pray)
The Empire Strikes Back
Reservoir Dogs

Apocalypse Now (I hesitate to put this because of the animal abuse/death)
Huh ? But the human abuse death is okay ? Or maybe you make reference of actual and not 'fake'. Are you a vegetarian ?

The Shining
Reservoir Dogs
Star Wars
Lord of the Rings films
Jaws

-------

That being said:

Where do comment's like "You guy's like crap" come from ? Why I oughta .... !

[Pen Cap Chew]

Apocalpyse Now is a great film but when an animal is actually abused or killed for a movie, that's just wrong and there's no need for it. Yeah, I'm a vegan (please don't attack me for it!! LOL).

[Pen Cap Chew]

The Planet of the Apes (Original I pray)


Oh yeah. I'm not a Burton fan.

[J.R. Hudson]

Apocalpyse Now is a great film but when an animal is actually abused or killed for a movie, that's just wrong and there's no need for it. Yeah, I'm a vegan (please don't attack me for it!! LOL).

My sister-in-law to be is a Vegan. At Thanksgiving she ate Tukey Tofu or whatever it's called. I cannot imagine a world without meat.

-

Burton makes hit and miss for me and when he misses it's by leaps and bounds.

[The Machinist]

I don't believe the animal was killed specifically for the film.

As i recall it was something that was going on amongst the locals and Coppola caught it on film and used it.

Was this discussed in Hearts of Darkness?

My memory is hazy on this story.

[Blaine]

I own 26 of the movies on your list. As was the case with John, there are several I haven't seen. And then there are some I have seen but didn't care for. There are a couple there that have been praised by critics but I personally found to be overrated.

These are on my top 100 list
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Lawrence of Arabia
The Godfather
Bladerunner
Chinatown
Fargo
Alien
Schinder's List
The Exorcist
The Wizard of Oz
Apocalypse Now
Reservoir Dogs
Star Wars
Lord of the Rings films
Jaws
Cool Hand Luke

While not on my top 100 list, these are also good
The Godfather II
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Graduate
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Taxi Driver
Bonnie and Clyde
The Road Warrior
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Deer Hunter
Blood Simple
The Planet of the Apes
The Empire Strikes Back
Badlands
The Shining
Forest Gump
The Machinist

[CallaghanFilms]

...Burton makes hit and miss for me and when he misses it's by leaps and bounds.Or misses by Apes and Oompas as the case may be.

Shite, looks like I missed all the fun.

[Pen Cap Chew]

My sister-in-law to be is a Vegan. At Thanksgiving she ate Tukey Tofu or whatever it's called. I cannot imagine a world without meat.

-

Burton makes hit and miss for me and when he misses it's by leaps and bounds.

It's called Tofurkey. Good stuff. If you like meat, any type of meat, you can get it's equivalent in vegan form (but I won't turn this into a vegan thread).:)

I like Burton's BeetleJuice (and some parts of Ed Wood and Scissorhands), that's about it really.

[The Machinist]

Or misses by Apes and Oompas as the case may be.

Touche


Ed Wood is in my 100 but aside from that not too much Burton.

Although i find myself a little sentimental to Big Fish.


And i had some vegan friends who for their sake I'd try the meat substitutes. I tried several. And while they were tasty none could match a superbly marinated NY strip or half a BBQ chicken.

[CallaghanFilms]

TofurkeyYeah? Well SAME TO YOU, PAL!!!

[Blaine]

Yeah, I'm a meat eater, too.

http://www.imax.com/t-rex/images/Tcentralimg.gif
And a nice Cab or Bordeaux

[Aaron Marshall]

Why does this bother you?

It was a spirtual ritual of a tribal people if i remember correctly.

Unless of course you're a vegetarian in which case i can understand not liking the scene.

however it shouldn't make you hesitate in liking one of the greatest films of all time.

I'm a vegetarian and it doesn't bother me at all.



I'm just saying you're lacking what it takes to know what a good film is IMO. You can't help it. You like crap -- I'm not holding that against you, just saying that the majority has bad taste usually.

I could take a number of the films on your list and say, "You have a lack of what it takes to recognize a good film.". You're acting like you have some pretentious position that lets you judge what is good and what is bad. However, I mostly agree with what is on your list. To each their own. I think the LOTR's movies were sappy and overly melodramatic, but the MAJORITY of people seem to like them. That's fine. I don't think their overall taste is any worse or better than mine.

[spidey]

if it was bad then why isnt solaris on most of people minds. QT made a movie and it was great. for an epic I love it. I mean what else do I got, LOTR? not my cup of tea. Solaris is a different movie and how did this even get invovled. For what it is it is an ok film, I mean there has been better. for what KB, is it s a great film taking the ideas from asia cinema and remixing it. I loved it and I can tell you not many people like either films. Just which one had an appear more than the other? I can watch KB any day to solaris.

[J.R. Hudson]

It's called Tofurkey. Good stuff. If you like meat, any type of meat, you can get it's equivalent in vegan form (but I won't turn this into a vegan thread).:)

I wouldn't say you'd be getting the equivalent. Now that statement is missing by leaps and oompas !

I tried this Turkofokoo. I found it needed to be dipped in the meat gravy we had in order to enjoy it.

A deserted Island ? yes. Survival food ? sure. Meat substitute ? Oompa D Day.

-

Damn right Blaine. Give me some Prime Rib and Cab Sauv... Mmmmmm Damn.

[spidey]

1.) Leolo dont care
2.) Raiders of the Lost Ark good movie
3.) Lawrence of Arabia good movie
4.) The Godfather II good movie
5.) Close Encounters of the Third Kind boring
6.) The Graduate good movie
7.) The Godfather its ok
8.) Trainspotting good movie
9.) Songs from the Second Floor dont care
10.) Raising Arizona dated but good
11.) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest its good
12.) Bladerunner great
13.) Taxi Driver great
14.) Chinatown over hyped
15.) Bonnie and Clyde ok
16.) Fargo good
17.) The Road Warrior great
18.) 2001: A Space Odyssey great
19.) Eraserhead good
20.) The Deer Hunter great
21.) Alien great
22.) Schinder's List great
23.) The Exorcist fell aleep too horrible
24.) The Wizard of Oz hate ut
25.) American Beauty great
26.) Drugstore Cowboy good
27.) Blood Simple good
28.) The Planet of the Apes ok
29.) Magnolia good
30.) The Empire Strikes Back has slipped away
31.) Apocalypse Now great
32. Badlands good
33.) Ratcatcher nope
34.) Come and See nope
35.) The Shining great
36.) Donnie Darko great
37.) Jacob's Ladder great
38.) The Cement Garden never seen
39.) Reservoir Dogs great but dated
40.) Star Wars crap
41.) Lord of the Rings films whoopie doo.
42.) Memento awesome
43.) Buffalo '66 didnt like or hate it
44.) Jaws great
45.) Amelie great
46.) Waking Life great
47.) Run Lola Run never saw
48.) The Apartment never saw
49.) The Bicycle Thief never saw
50.) A Christmas Story great
51.) Dog Day Afternoon great
52.) Cool Hand Luke ok
53.) The Elephant Man good
54.) American Movie never saw
55.) Forest Gump great
56.) The Machinist grood
57.) The Return never saw.

[Filmjunkie677]

Spidey?

You hated The Wizard Of Oz????? I love that movie. lol.

[spidey]

i was forced to watch it when i was kid. I never cared for it.

[Filmjunkie677]

I have the ultimate idea for a modern day retelling of it. Even though people will jump on me and call it timeless. I don't care.

[spidey]

cool.

[Pen Cap Chew]

I'm a vegetarian and it doesn't bother me at all.

Kind of odd. Unless you are vegetarian for health reasons.



I could take a number of the films on your list and say, "You have a lack of what it takes to recognize a good film.". You're acting like you have some pretentious position that lets you judge what is good and what is bad.

Well one thing you need to know about me is my words are almost always in jest, just playful, but you guys take it more harshly than I intend. I guess I don't use enough smileys or something. As far as Solaris, although it's not a complicated film, I think people are missing the nuances of it and so they come away, perhaps, feeling like there's nothing to that movie.

[Aaron Marshall]

Kind of odd. Unless you are vegetarian for health reasons.


Bingo. I like animals, but I don't disneyfy everything. I understand how nature really works. I understand the nature of my own body... it works better being a vegetarian. I'm not a vegetarian because of the suffering of animals, but it is a fortunate perk that I'm happy about. Would I kill an animal? I'd rather not. If a rabid dog came charging at me I would club it to death without blinking an eye. I'd survive because my will to live and to be healthy would not allow anything to harm me.

As far as Solaris goes; I dig that movie.

I get what you mean about things being said in a half jest manner. I'm very much the same way. It's hard to get that on a forum. I constantly have to remember that myself.

[The Machinist]

Filmjunkie You and me both.

I've wanted to explore the expansive world of Oz. Do some internet research and you'll find the world of OZ is massive and complex. The movie barely scratches the surface.



but you guys take it more harshly than I intend

Perhaps but this board has seen alot of harsh posters. Trolling is the nature of some people and you did have the makings of the troll for a while there but i think things'll get better from here on out know that we know more of what you're about.

[spidey]

here is some of my top films of all time

number 1 and 2 tuggle war alot.
1. Fight Club
2. OldBoy
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Seven Samurai
5. Terminator 2
6. Ran
7. Blade Runner
8. KillBill 1 and 2
9. Se7en
10. Sympathy for Mr. Vengence
11. Memento
12. Alien
13. Minority Report
14. Dumb and Dumber
15. Scarface
16. Grave of the fireflies
17. JSA
18. Tae Guk Gi
19. Saving Private Ryan
20. The Unforgiven
21. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
22. Man on Fire
23. Predator
24. Drunken Master
25. Battle Roayle ( I love this film but I've grown alittle use to be my favorite film when i was 15.)

[J.R. Hudson]

but you guys take it more harshly than I intend.

You mean you say it more harshly than you should.

[TC]

I like Burton's BeetleJuice (and some parts of Ed Wood and Scissorhands), that's about it really.What about Nightmare Before Christmas?

...it's so on. You and me, at the bike rack after third period. *shakes fist*

[The Machinist]

Kudos on surpassing the 16,000 mark John.

[Filmjunkie677]

Interesting list spidey.... A lot of modern and foreign films on there. Bravo.

[J.R. Hudson]

Kudos on surpassing the 16,000 mark John.

Jesus.

[TC]

We're gonna need a 20k vid soon. :shocked:

[The Machinist]

I like Spidey's appreciation for Kurosawa.

[spidey]

I forgot yojimbo and hidden fortress didnt I? love those as well.

[Jeremy Ordan]

What the hell happened to my Kill Bill thread? :)

-Jeremy

[spidey]

I also like kagemusha and ikiru and throne of blood. kurosawa is one ofmy favorite director

fav directors ( no particular order)

Chan wook park
David Fincher
Akira Kurosawa
and QT.

[Blaine]

Chan wook park
Isn't he pitching for the Padres? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[spidey]

lol I dont know

Actually chan wook park just started this week working on his new film " I'M A CYBORG, and I'M OK'

[non]

loved Vol. 1. Saw it on April 22, 2004 and the next day I decided I was going to try to make a movie of my own, its homages of the martial-arts movie and the spaghetti taking me back to the early 80's as a kid in a small town and having about 5 channels on TV to watch, and staying up late to watch martial arts movies and spaghetto westerns.

Vol. 2 was not nearly as impressive although I did like Carradine as Bill