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Simon Wyndham
01-19-2006, 03:31 AM
In case nobody has heard yet;


http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/xdcamhd_cameras.shtml

The F350 has variable framerate adjustable in 1fps increments!

Stevet
01-19-2006, 09:03 AM
Yes, it's going for $31,000.

mmm
01-19-2006, 09:04 AM
$31,000? Wonder what the UK price will be.

Can you edit the footage natively?

It looks good, although I am not clear if the data rate increases when overcranked.

Simon Wyndham
01-19-2006, 09:19 AM
$31k? Hehe, nope. The pricing is $16k for the 330 and $25k for the 350.

MrBirdBoy
01-19-2006, 09:27 AM
I have to laugh when people squawl about price/capability of video cameras. I have easily 100 grand in past film camera purchases and they give a small fraction of the final product value as these new video cameras. $16k for a tool like this is a steal !!

Steve

Barry_Green
01-19-2006, 03:49 PM
I've read the press release, and it looks very promising, but I still can't figure out -- does that $25,000 pricetag include the lens? If not, what do the lenses cost? Presumably the lens will be $10k or more...

AshG
01-19-2006, 03:58 PM
I just read elsewhere that $16K included a lens... if that is true... WOW... 60-120min of HD on a $29 disc? CRAZY! 1/2" CCD with a 2/3" lens adapter? The specs are fabulous, cant wait to play with one, variable frame rates from 4fps to 60fps with 1 fps increments? TRUE 24P? Hrrrrmmm.... sounds too good to be true, should be fun to watch this shake down...



ash =o)

spencer
01-19-2006, 04:21 PM
Those look very nice.

I'd get one, but there's another name for which I call 25 grand: my first two years of college.

Ah to be young, it's such a damn drag! (Cue a bunch of old people shaking their fists at me)

myfriendimage
01-19-2006, 04:46 PM
I just read elsewhere that $16K included a lens... if that is true... WOW... 60-120min of HD on a $29 disc? CRAZY! 1/2" CCD with a 2/3" lens adapter? The specs are fabulous, cant wait to play with one, variable frame rates from 4fps to 60fps with 1 fps increments? TRUE 24P? Hrrrrmmm.... sounds too good to be true, should be fun to watch this shake down...



ash =o)

haha all those broadcast cameras come stock with 24p, whats cool is native 23.97

Emanuel
01-19-2006, 07:32 PM
I just read elsewhere that $16K included a lens... if that is true...Where Ash? I don't read the same information.

AshG
01-19-2006, 10:30 PM
There are conflicting reports but the more I think about it... a decent HD lens is about $7500 so... I doubt the $16k could include a lens. Just saw the 2/3" adapter is $700....



ash =o)

Barry_Green
01-19-2006, 10:33 PM
Are there any HD lenses that inexpensive though? I've only seen 'em around the $12,000 mark.

But then again, that's for 2/3", and this is 1/2"...

Simon Wyndham
01-20-2006, 03:31 AM
$12k is a pretty good price for a HD lens. I wish there were more in that area!

Not sure how much the 1/2" ones are. On the one hand I am told they are harder to make, and they won't sell as well as 2/3" ones, yet at the same time I am told they are cheaper. Weird.

AshG
01-20-2006, 02:10 PM
There is a fujinon lens that is around $7000 or so...




ash =o)

xl70e3
01-20-2006, 02:20 PM
Wow, where did this one come from? Looks good. Actually, too good... for a Sony... dang

Digigenic
01-20-2006, 09:15 PM
Whoa, it's a nice one, but $31,000...not sure if it's worth it.
Ya know, somebody should come out with a full frame HD camera for half that price. I know, it's crazy and it'll never happen, but damn wouldn't that be nice?

Ralph Oshiro
01-20-2006, 09:45 PM
Are there any HD lenses that inexpensive though? I've only seen 'em around the $12,000 mark.At least for the F330, it appears that Canon made a "special" lens just for this application. Who ever heard of a manual-focus, 1/2" "pro lens" with AUTO-FOCUS? I'm sure the Sony "pak" price, including the Canon lens, will be something fairly affordable.

Emanuel
01-21-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm sure the Sony "pak" price, including the Canon lens, will be something fairly affordable.At $16,800 range?...I doubt...

Ralph Oshiro
01-21-2006, 10:34 PM
At $16,800 range?...I doubt...If you read the press release and product info carefully, it states that the Canon autofocus lens is OPTIONAL. So, clearly the published MSRP of $16,800 is for the BODY ONLY. Take a 20% street price off the MSRP and you get $13,440. Add a $7,000 (I'm totally guessing here) OEM-priced lens (the Canon) and you get $20,440.

Also, this is not a "normal" HD lens--it's a special lens (read, "low-end") made by Canon, absorbed into a pak price to make the package as a whole hit a certain price point within Sony's product line-up, and also, priced vis-a-vis other products from competing manufacturers in that price range. Sony pak pricing is always lower than if you were to purchase the pak items separately, in some cases, $1,000s lower (the DSR450 pak is a prime example--it's like getting the lens for free). A Sony pak price, as I've said before, if I had to guess at a final street price with glass, I imagine, will probably price out around $20.5-22K, and quite possibly, even somewhat lower.

Policar
01-21-2006, 11:01 PM
To be honest, if I were to spend this much (I can't; I don't even think I could afford it if I sold everything I owned and took out a loan), I'd just get a Grass Valley infinity.

Also, while 2/3'' CCDs admittedly doesn't offer the depth of focus most people want, It doesn't come that far away. Most DPs shoot 35mm at f4 as a starting point. If you shoot with a 2/3'' sensor at f2, you're already there and most good lenses should go this wide until super telephoto, at which point you've already got all the DoF you want anyhow.

I'd much rather have an Infinity without an adapter than a Sony with one. At least once they get 24p on the Infinity.

Simon Wyndham
01-22-2006, 02:48 AM
Infinity looks good. But remember that you also have to factor in the price of a 2/3" HD lens.

Ralph Oshiro
01-22-2006, 04:01 AM
To be honest, if I were to spend this much (I can't; I don't even think I could afford it if I sold everything I owned and took out a loan), I'd just get a Grass Valley infinity.Well, I'm sure you'd want to wait until they had the 24P option implemented. And with glass, the camera's probably going to price out much more than the F330, at something like $30K. EDIT: Oh, I forgot, this was a thread about the F350. Yeah, both will price out at over $30K with glass. In that case, I'd rather have the Panasonic HVX-like, shoulder-mount, 2/3" camera coming out later this year (which I'm guessing will be in the F350 price range).


Also, while 2/3'' CCDs admittedly doesn't offer the depth of focus most people want, It doesn't come that far away. Most DPs shoot 35mm at f4 as a starting point. If you shoot with a 2/3'' sensor at f2, you're already there and most good lenses should go this wide until super telephoto, at which point you've already got all the DoF you want anyhow.I shoot with 2/3" cameras everyday (BVW400A/BVW600/HDWF900) and even those don't offer shallow enough depth-of-field for me by a long shot. I'm always struggling like hell to throw my background out of focus at f/wide-open.


I'd much rather have an Infinity without an adapter than a Sony with one. At least once they get 24p on the Infinity.Why would you want the 2/3" adapter? Unless you already owned a lot of 2/3" glass, there's no benefit (unless you plan to buy a 2/3" camera later).