using P2 cards in camera

[Justyn]

Would it be possible to edit HD.. then possibly convert to the HVX format.. put it
on a P2 card and then play the P2 out the analogue output? I'd be mainly thinking of showing short videos to clients and possibly for video projection.


thanks

[evinsky]

No, P2s are a one way street.

[Barry_Green]

I'm not sure about that... I know I can't just copy files onto them or delete files off them from the PC, it whines about a CRC error. EDIT: I HAD AN OLD DRIVER. With the new driver installed, you can easily format or copy or edit or delete from them!

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[Drew599]

I hope there's a way to record to the P2 cards. That would save me a lot of trouble in doing tests on a 2K with edited footage.

[Justyn]

It did occur to me today when I was thinking of how my presentations could really rock clients by brining in the HVX, the Dell and/or a projector of something I edited. It does seem like a rational assumption.

Evinsky and Barry... I would also like to say that both of your comments and postings have been extremly valuable in helping me to go in this new direction. I think Barry is racking up some good Karma for himself in this life and the nexts. When I get some stuff together I'll send ya a link to my sketch comedy show. Just waiting on the camera to start shooting. It'll be on my new url www.hdbaby.com Nothing up yet.

Thanks and maybe this will be a possibility now or on a future firmware update. I do think this will present a great option for digital projection and such.


And lastly.. anyone recommend a good HD projector to go along with the HVX?

j

[BobDiaz]

I know I can't just copy files onto them or delete files off them from the PC

This would also make an interesting test. If a PC has problems, try it on a MAC:

(1) Move the P2 files into a laptop or P2 Store drive.

(2) At a later time copy them back onto the P2 card.

(3) Try and play the clips.


I'm guessing this would work, but who knows if there's some sort of limit on how the files can be passed to/from the P2 cards.


Bob Diaz

[Justyn]

I think that someone will report on this soon. I feel like a crack addict waiting for this thing. Is there a quick fix to get me by till it arrives? I also have a bad habit of dipping into my savings.. It's going going and the thing isn't here yet for me to pay for it.

[BobDiaz]

First let me give some background so the question will make sense... My main job is a teacher at El Camino College. Video is just a side line that I do. As a side line, there is a limit on how much I can invest in equipment each year. So, things are upgraded in steps.

The HVX-200 seems like a perfect transition camera because I can start with DVCPRO50 and later on move up to HD.

All along I made the assumption that one could take the data from a P2 card and move it into a standard PC laptop. This is correct, right?

I also made the assumption that I could take the data from my laptop and move it back to the P2 card. However Barry said something about CRC errors that has me wondering if my second assumption is wrong.

Now at this point, everyone is thinking, why would you want to move the data BACK onto the P2 card? Simple, unlike most of you, I use a different editing system that will NOT be able to read the data from the hard drive directly. This means that the only way I have to get the video into my editor is to play it from the camera into the editor. OK, I know this is not the best way of doing things, but I have to work with what I have.

Before someone says, "Just upgrade you system to..." There is no way to upgrade this system and replacing the system with one that will read the data direct from a hard drive would go way beyond what I could afford right now.

I'm hoping that either I misunderstood Barry or there is a workaround.


Bob Diaz

[Barry_Green]

EDIT: You can do this. Copy them off to a hard disk, or copy from the hard disk back to the cards, it works fine.

[Mr. Blonde]

And lastly.. anyone recommend a good HD projector to go along with the HVX?

j

The greatest projector out now for under $5,000 is the Sanyo PLV-Z4 - $2,000

Native 16x9 chips capable of 1080i and 720p. (1080p using a program such as ffd show via uprezzing.)

7000:1 contrast

3 LCD projection, not the problematic DLP technology. DLP tend to show signs or rainbowing unless you get a 10g DLP projector, so LCD is definitely the way to go for now.

You won't find a native 16x9 projector capable of native 1080p for anything less than about 10g's. But as I said, ffd show is a great and free program that will allow you to uprez to 1080p. My friend owns a Z4 and let me tell you, I laugh at anyone who owns a plasma or lcd tv. After seeing his home theater setup, I'm dying to get a Z4 for myself, there truly is no other way to watch a movie after you've seen a projected home theater! It even kills any movie theater in qulaity unless you're talking about the 80g texas instrument projectors used for star wars and the like. The competition to the Z4 is the Panasonic AE900U.

I know you're thinking wow I should get the Panasonic to match with my HVX but NO, trust me, the AE900 is DLP, costs about $500 more, and its picture can't compete with the Z4. Here's a website with great info on projectors......

http://www.projectorcentral.com/home-theater-multimedia-projectors.htm

[Barry_Green]

All along I made the assumption that one could take the data from a P2 card and move it into a standard PC laptop. This is correct, right?

Yes.


I also made the assumption that I could take the data from my laptop and move it back to the P2 card.
It does work. You can do that.


I did verify that you can record the high-def firewire input onto the card though; you can stream from another HVX or a DVCPRO-HD deck or a computer and capture the stream through firewire on the card.

[Justyn]

Barry,

That is some good news. How do you have to have the camera set-up? Do you have to do it through the remote or can it be done through the camera menus? Either way.. that's good news, especially when the P2 cards become less expensive and larger.

[Justyn]

Mr. Blonde,

Thanks for the great info. I remember that the Sanyo's were always the units I used and liked the most when I used to do AV work back years ago. That price is also manageable and you are right about a home theater setup. I even have the slanted roof where I could mount it and maybe a screen to lower.

You've just saved me a bunch of hunting and searching. I'll let you know how it turns out. THe people on this forum rock. It's become such a great part of my change over.


J



The greatest projector out now for under $5,000 is the Sanyo PLV-Z4 - $2,000

Native 16x9 chips capable of 1080i and 720p. (1080p using a program such as ffd show via uprezzing.)

7000:1 contrast

3 LCD projection, not the problematic DLP technology. DLP tend to show signs or rainbowing unless you get a 10g DLP projector, so LCD is definitely the way to go for now.

You won't find a native 16x9 projector capable of native 1080p for anything less than about 10g's. But as I said, ffd show is a great and free program that will allow you to uprez to 1080p. My friend owns a Z4 and let me tell you, I laugh at anyone who owns a plasma or lcd tv. After seeing his home theater setup, I'm dying to get a Z4 for myself, there truly is no other way to watch a movie after you've seen a projected home theater! It even kills any movie theater in qulaity unless you're talking about the 80g texas instrument projectors used for star wars and the like. The competition to the Z4 is the Panasonic AE900U.

I know you're thinking wow I should get the Panasonic to match with my HVX but NO, trust me, the AE900 is DLP, costs about $500 more, and its picture can't compete with the Z4. Here's a website with great info on projectors......

http://www.projectorcentral.com/home-theater-multimedia-projectors.htm

[Justyn]

Mr Blonde and all. I saw that B and H has the Sanyo projector on sale for 1799. They also have some with lower lumens.. and a bit heavier for like 800-1200 or so.

Should be cool to pick one up.

[Barry_Green]

Barry,

That is some good news. How do you have to have the camera set-up? Do you have to do it through the remote or can it be done through the camera menus?
It works just like the DVX. Put it in VCR/MCR mode, and the signal from the firewire input will show up on the LCD. So then you just press the VCR REC button and it starts recording.

[BobDiaz]

From Panasonic:

... Requires Windows XP Professional (later SP2)


From Barry:

That's the part I'm having trouble with. But I think it may be my system, and not the card itself. The P2 Viewer program has an option for formatting cards, but it will not, absolutely will not, work on my laptop. And I get the CRC error when deleting files or copying files onto this laptop too.


Hi Berry, you know your stuff, but I wonder if maybe your laptop does not have XP Pro with SP2.

Just thought I'd throw that out.


Bob Diaz

[Barry_Green]

Laptop is Windows XP Media Center edition; I think it has SP2 on it...

[Mr. Blonde]

Justyn, yea for around $600 you can get yourself an InFocus X1. Even though it's a cheapie, It kicks the arse of any cheap dlp big screen or tv/lcd/plasma set. Projectors are awesome, plain and simple!

[soarprod]

The greatest projector out now for under $5,000 is the Sanyo PLV-Z4 - $2,000

Native 16x9 chips capable of 1080i and 720p. (1080p using a program such as ffd show via uprezzing.)

7000:1 contrast

3 LCD projection, not the problematic DLP technology. DLP tend to show signs or rainbowing unless you get a 10g DLP projector, so LCD is definitely the way to go for now.

You won't find a native 16x9 projector capable of native 1080p for anything less than about 10g's. But as I said, ffd show is a great and free program that will allow you to uprez to 1080p. My friend owns a Z4 and let me tell you, I laugh at anyone who owns a plasma or lcd tv. After seeing his home theater setup, I'm dying to get a Z4 for myself, there truly is no other way to watch a movie after you've seen a projected home theater! It even kills any movie theater in qulaity unless you're talking about the 80g texas instrument projectors used for star wars and the like. The competition to the Z4 is the Panasonic AE900U.

I know you're thinking wow I should get the Panasonic to match with my HVX but NO, trust me, the AE900 is DLP, costs about $500 more, and its picture can't compete with the Z4. Here's a website with great info on projectors......

http://www.projectorcentral.com/home-theater-multimedia-projectors.htm

Yeah I have a Z2 - setup about 2yrs ago - 92" Dalite screen - Freaken sweet :thumbsup:

[Justyn]

Mr. Blonde,


The infocus looks great as well. Does it have component inputs similar to the ones on the HVX or would I have to go another input method? DVI on this? and does the Sanyo have similar inputs?


This might be the one to get in the beginning.


J

[Barry_Green]

I also made the assumption that I could take the data from my laptop and move it back to the P2 card.

Hey Bob, good news for you -- you can do this! Turns out I had a prerelease driver on my system. I downloaded the new driver from Panasonic's website and re-installed, and now yes -- you can copy cards onto the computer, you can copy from the computer back to the cards, you can delete files off the cards or format the cards from the computer... basically, yes, you can do exactly what you were hoping.

I've gone back in and edited my prior posts to remove the earlier statements.

[BobDiaz]

Barry, THANK YOU!!!! :)


Maybe I should say, thank you to Panasonic too... :happy:


This had me a bit worried and I was starting to factor in the addional cost of having to upgrade EVERYTHING at the same time... OUCH.


This way, the first step isn't ideal, but has to be for my little operation.


Thanks,

Bob Diaz

[dusterdoo]

Barry, can you post the link to the new driver you refer to ? Thanks ....

[Barry_Green]

It's available on their P2 download site. Won't do you any good if you don't have a device to use with it though, so don't download it until you have a P2 product to use with it.
https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro-av/support/cs/csregistp2m/p2indexe.html

[Justyn]

Barry,

Do you know anything about this supposed free 4 gig card that some are reporting? AVS was throwing it in for free but isn't now. Kind of a big price break if its true and if we could expect it. Then I'd only be buying one.

[soarprod]

No, they were not throwing it in for free but purchased several packaged HVX's + P2 4gb cards from panny.

[Barry_Green]

AFAIK, that's not anything official from Panasonic; i.e., if you buy the camera-only, you get exactly that -- the camera only. As soarprod says, I would expect that it's something the dealer is offering as a bundle.

[Student]

Page 82 of the HVX200 user manual, NONLINEAR EDITING WITH P2 CARDS, contains a brief explanation on how to edit the contents on the P2 cards while they are in the camera. Does this mean that we can use the camera as an external drive from within our NLEs and render edits,effects etc , without the P2 cards and MXF files leaving the camera? Is it possible to play back edited files directly from the P2 card while in the camera?

[Barry_Green]

Yes you can do that. When plugged into a computer the camera shows up as an external hard disk drive (well, two drives, one for each slot). You can leave the cards in the camera and edit directly from them, presuming that you're using an editing program that supports that (FCP doesn't, but Avid and Canopus do).

[P2metoo]

I saw the demo for Edius broadcast. They editied the P2 card story and then after edit he wrote back the editied version to the P2 card only because they work in true MXF format. All other non linear dont know what they do with meta data.
I tried with P2 viewer you can copy a clip back to the P2 card using PC.

[Drew599]

I really hope you can do this on a Mac. Thanks for the info Barry.

[Student]

Unfortunatly, the Mac first has to convert the MXF file to quicktime. I don't believe, right now there is a way to bring the quicktime back to the MXF format. It's a oneway street with a Mac. However, as P2metoo mentioned, the Edius Broadcast NLE maintains the MXF format so you can edit in camera. This is really cool because you could then present a short 720 24p movie from the P2 in the camera.

[Drew599]

I'm sure there will be a way around it. Going from FCP edited footage to the P2 cards.

[Justyn]

I'd think you should be able to just capture to the camera through the firewire. I believe Barry mentioned that earlier. I'm really hoping this is an option... for the P2 in the camera as well as the firestore. I too am on the Mac so I hope it will be a thing.

[Barry_Green]

You can. I haven't tried it on my Mac, since I haven't even set the Mac up yet(!) but I am 99% sure you can do this, because I can do it on my Avid system.

I think the key is that people need to turn off the thumbnail screen. When in MCR mode, turn off the thumbnails and then you'll see a blue screen reminiscent of the DVX in VCR mode. Firewire output from the computer, and input to the HVX, should show up on the LCD now, and you can press the VCR/MCR "record" buttons on top of the camera and record to the P2 card. FCP wouldn't need to convert to MXF or anything; it just has to stream out the firewire via AV/C protocol, and FCP has been able to do that since version 4.5.