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Arcwave
01-11-2006, 09:31 PM
Is there ANY film out there that has been shot entirely with an FX1 that succeeded in a 24P conversion?

I'm always hearing how the Z1 can do it, and that's mainly because it can shoot in 50i, which the FX1 CANNOT. I always hear from other people that the FX1 can shoot 50i, but we all know that is BS.

So, to narrow this down;

Has the FX1 ever pulled off a successful 1080i > 60i > 24P conversion? (pardon if I mix up 1080i with 60i).. or does the FX1 just plain suck when it comes to 24P?? [NOTE: THIS IS AN FX1 QUESTION ONLY, I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE Z1/DVX CAN DO].

I am in NTSC land, so I don't want anyone comparing their FX1[E] or any PAL model to my issue.

FX1 [United States] Model Question Only. -sorry if Im being a tad critical, but I just want to get this straightened out. Reason being? I think some people don't quite understand that the FX1 is a much harder unit to convert to 24P than its superior, the Z1U.

Jesse :thumbsup:

myfriendimage
01-12-2006, 01:37 PM
Ive never seen a perfect 60i > 24p conversion. I suppose its possible to have a perfect conversion if you convert 60i to 24p using nattress or magic bullet, then transfer to film then transfer back to HD.

Arcwave
01-12-2006, 03:00 PM
A long and expensive process that is.

Spiff
01-12-2006, 03:50 PM
Here's the breakdown:

Z1U/FX1E -> 24P:
- Shoot 50i, adaptive deinterlace to 24P, 4% slowdown
- Shoot CF25, 4% slowdown
- Shoot 60i, use motion estimation to produce 24P
- Shoot CF24, remove 3:2 pulldown

FX1 -> 24P
- Shoot 60i, use motion estimation to produce 24P
- Shoot CF24, remove 3:2 pulldown

Believe it or not, in most instances these will yield nearly indistinguishable results upon real-time playback.

-Spiff

Arcwave
01-12-2006, 09:12 PM
Here's the breakdown:

FX1 -> 24P
- Shoot 60i, use motion estimation to produce 24P

-Spiff

I don't quite understand that part. Are you trying to say use slow camera pans? Also, how do I remove a 3:2 pulldown? Can that be done in Vegas 6?

Other than that, you really covered the essentials. Thanks much!



Jesse :thumbsup:

gumonstro
01-12-2006, 10:07 PM
Arcwave, I think the question here is: whatīs the software that can allow a very good 60i to 24p conversion in HD?

Thereīs only one way to do it, and thatīs in post. Only one thing can do it for you, and itīs one of the various software that do 60i>24p conversion.

So, which software has very good results in terms of resolution and motion?

Thatīs what Iīm trying to discover too.

Spiff
01-12-2006, 10:14 PM
Are you trying to say use slow camera pans?

If you're serious about ANY kind of 24p looking good, you have to do this anyway.


Also, how do I remove a 3:2 pulldown? Can that be done in Vegas 6?

Vegas can, but I don't know how. After Effects can do it as well. All my pull-downs are removed on capture by Cineform's brilliant HDLink tool.


So, which software has very good results in terms of resolution and motion?

Magic Bullet.

-Spiff

Arcwave
01-13-2006, 06:05 AM
All my pull-downs are removed on capture by Cineform's brilliant HDLink tool.


-Spiff

And if I may ask, how is that done? [On an FX1]

Jesse :thumbsup:

Spiff_2
01-13-2006, 09:04 AM
And if I may ask, how is that done? [On an FX1]

AspectHD combined with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 makes for basically a painless HDV workflow. Here's how it goes...

- shoot CF24 footage with camera
- plug camera into firewire
- open Cineform HDLink (capture utility)
- go into preferences, select "progressive encoding" and "2:3 pull-down" reversal
- capture

Ta-da. All the Cineform.avi files will be 23.976 progressive frames per second, to be edited in true 23.976 fps timelines (all pre-set). Obviously it can't fix the motion estimation problems that are the bane of CF24, but the workflow is easy enough.

-Spiff

Arcwave
01-13-2006, 05:38 PM
I don't have any Adobe products, do I do the same for Vegas?

Jesse :thumbsup:

Emanuel
01-14-2006, 12:24 AM
LINK (http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=43592)

Emanuel
01-14-2006, 06:04 PM
Try this: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showpost.php?p=403118&postcount=4

gregcotten
01-15-2006, 12:17 PM
Go to this. Feature length shot on Z1U HD1080i50 => 24p
http://www.lumieremedia.com/tomorrowistoday/tomorrow_trailer/

Info on the movie: http://www.lumieremedia.com//magazine-articles/director-of-tomorrow-is-today-on-film-video-magazine..html

It is possible on the Z1U. However, you can't shoot 50i on the FX1

-Greg

Arcwave
01-16-2006, 09:46 PM
Thanks for all the links!

Jesse