Eli Roth's hostel

[rgdfilms]

Man that was some graphic titties and gore..

[spidey]

i've seen worse actually, taken from japanese and korean shock horror

it was well written and you hope for those things to happen but you kinda wish it was there longer i think the movie should have been 2 hours 30 mins. personally. in either case was good but i wanted more. I love takashi miike in the film as well. "Careful, You'll spend all your money in there." haha.

also they snuck in a shot from Suicide Circle or Club you pick your title but i thought that was cool. good old japanese films.

I liked it for the writing and wit used in the film. Could have used more dirtiness and mayhem. decent though.

[spencer]

I loved the ending. The last twenty minutes are great.

Yeah, I caught the Suicide Club shot too. That movie was the weirdest thing ever.

But Hostel was definately well written, yeah. I don't think i'm gonna venture to Europe anytime soon in search of drugs and sex though.

[Filmjunkie677]

I planned on seeing this last night and it was sold out everywhere. My friend told me people were running out of the theatre!!
Can't wait to see this shiznick!

[David Jimerson]

Here's a genre I just don't get -- graphic depictions of people being tortured, maimed, and killed.

[spidey]

japanese shock horror. also korean. it happens. plus this moive isnt what you think it would be. you would be surprised.

[The Machinist]

Here's a genre I just don't get -- graphic depictions of people being tortured, maimed, and killed.

I have to agree with you. I am actually a long time purveyor of uber-gore. I spend some time searching the nooks and crannies of New york for the really underground rare stuff but I don't know what my or others fascination with it is. Then again I also can't comprehend the person who buys an Ashley Simpson CD for her "musical ability". I guess you just pick your poison.

On a side note. I'm enjoying the positive reviews this movie seems to be getting. I am no fan of Cabin Fever but i'm willing to toss down an admission fare for this one. And a Miike cameo is icing on the cake.

Ohh and does anyone know who did the "wetwork" for this one?

[NO CA$H]

I'm going to see this in about 5 minutes... I'll write a review when I get back.

[Filmjunkie677]

Ohh and does anyone know who did the "wetwork" for this one?

I don't exactly know what you mean by "wetwork", but if you mean the special makeup effects it was the one and only KNB.

[The Machinist]

That is indeed what i meant. And KNB is awesome. Although of all the special effects groups out there i think i have to bow down to the guys at Toe Tag. Those deranged fellas have pulled off stuff I can't believe. "Snuff" quality and that is no joke.

[Brian Broz]

I am ashamed to say I found this movie entertaining. Although the acting was pretty bad, it payed off in the last 1/2 of the movie right through to the end.
My girlfriend and I were laughing at parts we shouldn't have because it was just so gross we didn't know how to react :-)
It's a weird and twisted form of "entertainment" but once I let that go...I had fun. But man was I on edge....I had to watch a hugh grant movie after just to wind down:-)
Enjoy!

BB

[spidey]

lol.

[Filmjunkie677]

Now I'm really looking forward to this.

[Isaac_Brody]

I read that the budget for this was 4 million. Haven't seen it yet, but there's something about low budget slasher film that you just gotta respect.

[Filmjunkie677]

Especially when it rakes in $21 million in its opening weekend. Now that is a profit.
I think Tarantino's name had something to do with it, though.

[spidey]

well friends helping friends is cool in my book.

[Filmjunkie677]

Mine too.

[Staven]

It was quite entertaining. It had more of an edge of your seat thriller feel than a horror so to speak.

If you've ever watched anything from Japan or Korea this isn't as out there in the gore department as it's portrayed to be.

Was Miike the guy who says "you'll spend all your money in there" ?

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Two questions (POTENTIAL SPOILERS):



1) Why would the guy get the tattoo before he does the deed? Shouldn't you get your full membership once you've actually become part of the club.(I do know it needed to be that way to facilitate the conversation and his victim/rescue etc, but still that doesn't make sense that the tattoo comes beforehand)

2) How does Paxton actually know the old man is the one... or one of them? He showed the tattoo to his buddy, not him... maybe I missed something.
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[The Machinist]

Damn. Last showing was Sold Out. Well that's what i get for dragging my feet. Maybe i can catch a screening after work tomorrow.

[dakotapod]

I read that the budget for this was 4 million. ...

Wow - That rocks!

[spidey]

yeah miike was the one who said hat also QT is in the background smoking.

[spidey]

SPOILER:




he saw him operating on his friend plus he remeber him talk to so other people. in the original script he took his daughter with him. he was gonna kid nap his daughter and kill her but eli roth said he probli would have not got what he wanted and the studio would have shut him down.

[dvpixl]

just got back from it. I'm going to puke.
but it was well written, i agree, and very entertaining. esp when the kids bash those thugs.
..nasty!

[Alternative_3]

Looks like the NU Wave Horror movement has begun! High Tension, The Devil's Rejects and Hostel were all throwbacks to real horror movies, and I think it's just going to get bigger.

[spencer]

There's also The Hills Have Eyes remake coming out... remake, not throwback, but it's made by the High Tension director, so I'm thinking it's gonna be lumped in with those guys.

Most people i know that see hostel though also say "HAve you seen Saw II?" and i get somewhat annoyed.

[spidey]

well hostel is more of the shock horror which is already famous in asian so i guess it begins here.

[Filmjunkie677]

I just got back from seeing this and all I have to say is.... wow. This is the best horror flick I've seen in a long, long, time.
I thought it was much more suspenseful then gory, and the ending just kicks some serious a$$.
This is what a horror movie should be, not that crap, like "house of wax" BS.
The acting was top-notch for such an unknown cast.

I got a kick out of "Pulp Fiction" playing on the TV. Cool touch.

[spencer]

Yeah, I really liked the ending too. The whole third act (i think it's the third act) that's just the (PSUEDO SPOILER) escape from the "art exhibit" place was done better than most horror movies. It gave it a sense of desperation, but there was also kinda an air of heroism. Plus it does revenge and brings back old characters like none other.

I'm trying to think of the last horror movie i saw in theaters. It must have been Devil's Rejects, and then before that I think it was the first SAW. Before that was The Grudge (a movie which I still have a grudge against-HA!). When looking at how things are going, I gotta say I'm happy.

Yeah, the Pulp referrence was good.

[Filmjunkie677]

I finally thought of a part in this film that was pure convenience..

SPOILERS...










The two girls and the guy who lured them there all are conveniently on the street together.....So he can run them over.
Not that i'm complaining, it was my favorite part of the movie. Those biznatches got what they deserved. And the brunette gets run over again... OUCH!

[spidey]

i think thats why it was there so you could scream at the screen KILL THAT BITCH!

[HDkilledFILM.]

entertaining yes, worth 20 bucks no. I thought that the marketing was well done but this was just not the film I thought it would be. All the same it was fun to see some gore on the big screen. Best gore film, DEAD ALIVE.

[spidey]

20 lol i t cost me 5 bucks.

[Filmjunkie677]

me too... Damn Philly is expensive, huh?

And was this shot on HD?

[HDkilledFILM.]

9.50$ a ticket, being married is expensive lol.

[spidey]

me too... Damn Philly is expensive, huh?

And was this shot on HD?

nope film.

[darst]

Here is my negative take... I should have learned my lesson from Roth's Cabin Fever... Good concept... Poor execution... It is like a late night cinemax flick for the first hour that is pretty much pointless and long drawn out and then a few cool, intense scenes here and there, but it's too little too late... overall a waste of $$$. The only people I would recommend this to would be 13-15 year old males who haven't seen any real horror flicks and think Saw is the greatest horror flick of all time... LOL... Just my opinion... :-)

[The Machinist]

I agree with you dude.

This movie was way overblown.

The gore was not as intense as it should have been and some of the make-up effects looked terrible.

In addition the third act is some of the worst kind of drivel out there. Everything wraps up in a nice little package as a result of a series of completely implausible coincidences.

This should have been much better.

Eli Roth should join the guys at Broken Lizard cause i think he's more adept at sophmoric comedy than horror.

[spidey]

you know the movie isnt wat it was thought to be. the movie was a movie where you hoped the bad people got what they deserved so you could say yeah take that bitch!

[J.R. Hudson]

Here's a genre I just don't get -- graphic depictions of people being tortured, maimed, and killed.

Let's take a look at some films that may (or may not) fall into that category.

Se7en
The Devil's Reject's
House of a Thousand Corpses
Kill Bill V2
Kill V2
Pulp Fiction
Reservoir Dog's
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Carrie
Scarface
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver
Braveheart
Gladiator
Saving Private Ryan

Although I see your point:

I'm a fan. I like my shite real at times. Doesn't change how I feel about other genres and other films that lean in a more vanilla direction; but I appreciate and welcome the more harcore cinema.

[Filmjunkie677]

If you're a horror fan and don't like this film and appreciate what Eli Roth did and accomplished is beyond me.

Let's compare it too the other studio horror releases of the last 6 months.
House of Wax - crap.
Cry Wolf - derivitive crap.
Venom - derivitive crap.

I'm sure there's more but I can't remember them because why? They are forgettable.

Hostel is the most thrilling, susepenful, original, horror film I've seen in a long, long time. It's beatifully shot, wonderfully acted and brilliantely directed.

Horror fans should be kissing Eli Roth's ass.

Just my 2 cents.

[The Machinist]

Just because there are other terrible horror movies out there doesn't make Hostel a gift from god for horror fans.

The movie is flawed. I truly feel it is. Is it better than alot of other recent horror films? Sure. Does it dare to go farther? Most definately. Is it original however? No i disagree. Everything wraps up conveniently thanks to "Fate". The necessary bad guys are given their comuppance. ( i think i butchered the spelling on that one).

This movie would have blown me away if there was no retribution. It had a great setup and for a good 20 minutes I thought it was going to go the way a horror movie should. And then all of a sudden the train jumped tracks and went down the path of conventionality. I would have loved this movie if everything didn't get wrapped up nicely. If the audience wasn't laughing and shouting "Yea run that Skank over!" for 3/4s of the movie. That's not horror that sounds like the reaction of a crowd watching a Die Hard or some other action film. When i saw high tension in theaters for the first time you could not count on two hands the number of people that left that theater in the first half hour. I heard a woman openly weap when the little boy was shot. That's horror.

I stand by my convictions. Eli Roth needs to lay off the punch lines and stereotypes and while I'll acknowledge this was an improvement the genre of Horror still has a way to go.

[Filmjunkie677]

Good points.
I like your posts, machinist.

And I agree with High Tension, but the ending and the "twist" just ruined the preceding 90 minutes of horror and brutality. I mean, does there always have to be some cool, trendy, twist to have the film click with audiences.

I would've been so happy if it just was some maniac instead of a "split personality or whatever it was.

But Aja is def. a man to watch and looking forward to his take on The Hills, even though he's a few steps behind Roth.:grin:

[The Machinist]

Thank you.

And yes the twist....ugh the twist....It's like a hairy mole on a hot babe...


I hope he's abandoned the need for a twist with Hills.

[spidey]

when i saw high tention i saw children under 5 in the theater and people laughing and have fun.... i dont thin kit matter anyway im so desensitited nothing scares or grosses me out. so horror is no longer horror to me. its just normal.

[Filmjunkie677]

children under 5?????
That's a little ridiculous, no?

[spidey]

same thing at saw 1 and 2 and a few kids at hostel like 7 or so.

[Filmjunkie677]

wow.

[spidey]

yep

[KevinPeeples]

I thought the advertising was way off for this film. It took forever to get into the only part they showed in trailers. And then it ended quickly. The really cool parts were lit very dark and went by very quick.

It was probably the most predictable movie Ive seen in a long time. And they could have done alot better with the makeup. I feel that they rushed on this one and you could see it.

I didnt like it very much. Im sure many people on here could make better horror.

I read theyre coming out with a Hostel 2....

[Filmjunkie677]

It was probably the most predictable movie Ive seen in a long time. And they could have done alot better with the makeup.

:huh: :angry: :lipsrseal

[The Machinist]

I'm with Kevin.

That melted eyeball/face looked awful. And not awful the way it was meant to.

[Ought2bCommitted]

I haven't read all five pages of posts, so sorry if i repeat here...

I liked Hostel a lot overall. What I liked most was that it wasn't predictable in the usual way... for example...when we meet the three victims...I mean male leads... I had picked who would live and the order they would die in. It was nice to be wrong and to not have a story that sticks so closely to the old, misinterpreted archetypes of the 80s and 90s horror flicks.

Some of the make ups were just okay but the effects overall I thought were good. There were a lot of nice subtle touches in the back ground "parts" and lighting and set design. It went a long way towards making a nice (?) atmosphere.

I enjoy Roth's style so far. I am curious to see what he does next. He is co-producing the 2001 Maniacs remake starring Robert Englund...that should be really interesting! Unrated I believe. On DVD in March. A screening will be done in Manhattan earlier in the month if you are interested and in the area.

[The Machinist]

Yea i agree he did a really good job creating a nightmare environment in those catacombs. However his choices for the world and events that occur outside of that pit still degrade the film's enjoyment for me.

[Ought2bCommitted]

Good points.
I like your posts, machinist.

And I agree with High Tension, but the ending and the "twist" just ruined the preceding 90 minutes of horror and brutality. I mean, does there always have to be some cool, trendy, twist to have the film click with audiences.

I would've been so happy if it just was some maniac instead of a "split personality or whatever it was.

But Aja is def. a man to watch and looking forward to his take on The Hills, even though he's a few steps behind Roth.:grin:

There was a lot I enjoyed about High Tension, but it wasn't a great movie. The twist ruined it and even had there not been a twist the movie had some open holes. Everything being too convienent for the killer, etc.

I liked the notion that it was just some random nut alot better, but of course they couldn't just so something that simple, could they? heaven forbid!

[Ought2bCommitted]

same thing at saw 1 and 2 and a few kids at hostel like 7 or so.

I have this argument with my wife all the time. When I was a wee little one, I made my mom take me to all the new horror movies that came out. I loved them. Some of my best memories of childhood are those afternoons in the theatre with her...and one other kid who dragged his mom. The movies were a bit different perhaps...Evil Dead, Silent Night, Deadly Night, Halloween 2, Alien (ok I only saw this up until the creature broke through the chest-then I played video games in the lobby), American Werewolf in London, many of the Friday the 13ths, etc.

I'm sure there were people who thought my mom was wrong for taking me to a rated R horror movie, but so what. I wanted to go. I never had nightmares. I wasn't scarred for life. I didn't turn into a serial killer or wife beater.

I think as a kid we/I look at the movie differently. It was about the EFX for me as a kid... the gore. There wasn't the same comprehension that people were being killed, etc. It was just a movie. Hell, half the time I was rooting for Jason, Michael Myers, etc.

As a kind of adult, I do have mixed feelings about it. There are kids that are clearly dragged there by their parents, not the other way around and that does bother me in a making a nun watch a porno kind of way. But if my kid turns out to be a horror nut...which he/she is apt to be since my wife loves the stuff too...I'm going to start them on the Universal monsters and work my way up... and I can only hope they have as many fond memories of Saturday afternoons spent with me and my wife at the movies watching horror movies... hopefully my wife and I will have made some by then too!!!

[Jeremy Ordan]

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread yet because until that torture thread this movie was sort of under my radar...Well last night after our seder I decided to stop by Blockbuster where one of my friends works and got a free advance copy of Hostel. I was curious about this film when it was in theatres, but I've sort of become anti theatre because you can't smoke and there are people there. I don't like going to places where I can't smoke and since I'm around people all day at work I would rather not see them in my free time. That being said, I had sort of mixed expectations for this film.

Now that I have seen it twice in 12 hours I feel like I'm pretty well versed in this film.

First of all, the story completely sucks. It is a very loose concept and makes me think that Eli Roth read 'Most Dangerous Game' or saw the cheesy Van Damme or Ice Cube rip off of this short story. It is really a distortion of that storyline. OK, so thin story aside it starts as this weird sex, drugs, and touring film. Then things get crazy and stay that way for the rest of the film.

The cinematography is really impressive with a nice use of close ups, steadicam, and lots of handheld which works well for a story of this sort. The lighting, well, I wasn't a fan of the film Broken, but it seemed like they lit this film the same way that Broken was lit. They both have a similar feel of dark crushed shadows and just a narrow depth of field. Regardless, it is pretty standard horror lighting that works well.

Sound - This film should serve as the how to manual for anyone who is going to make a film. The use of sound is what makes you cringe and throw your hand over your eyes. Without a second thought I really do believe that this film is a how to manual for how to use sound effectively in a film for result.

Overall, I would give the film 2 out of 5 stars, the acting is pretty bad, but there is a lot of violence and blood and the Tarantino commentary makes it worth owning, although he comes across as arrogant as imaginable. Either way, I don't think this is the sort of film that you can say you really enjoy. It reminds me a lot of From Dusk Till Dawn in that the first half of the movie and the second half of the movie are completely different projects. It goes from this weird stupid teen trip through Europe to this psycho killer film. Eh, I'll most likely own it just to study the torture stuff.

High Points - Best use of sound in a horror film ever, hot female nudity, interesting horror lighting, lots of blood, gore, and several cringe inducing moments of stomach churning violence

Lows - Bad main acting, some fake looking blood, very thin story line, violence goes on a bit too long at some points.

This, of course, is just my opinion...

-Jeremy

[spencer]

There are spoilers in my post, please be advised



I've never really seen a horror movie mixed with a revenge flick (the seventies horror revenge flicks like Last House on the Left and I Spit on Your Grave are lost on me, because I didn't see them in theaters due to a lack of life back then, and I don't wanna take them home and watch them with my parents in the room), so I think I enjoyed this movie a lot beause it was the first kind of raw and visceral "hell and back" story I'd seen. I mean, the movie I thought was great just because of how accurate it seemed story wise (the story wasn't great, true, but I mean, I know a lot of people their age that go to Europe for the reason of doing drugs and having sex) and then the turn for the "what the heck?" and finally the revenge. I mean, when I saw it, people were cheering in the aisles during the las t 10 or so minutes. I never thought that people would cheer on slovakian kids brutally clubbing someone to death, but this movie did exactly that, and got praise for it.

Overall, I would give it 3 out of 5 stars onr a general rating, and 4 out of 5 stars on a horror rating. I really like what Roth does with his movies. I was one of the few people that actually liked Cabin Fever just because it was such a good play on the old horror movies I had actually seen.

[Jeremy Ordan]

Overall, I would give it 3 out of 5 stars onr a general rating, and 4 out of 5 stars on a horror rating.

Spencer, I guess this is where I need to disagree with you more than anything because I hold my horror films to a tougher scale than other films. Why? Because anything can be horror and you are able to bend the rules more. When you're dealing with horror, or more specifically, torture as this film does, you're dealing with a subject that most of the population has never experienced. Therefore you are guiding virgins into a land of your own making covered with milk and honey or blood and puss. I think that horror continues to reinvent genres because it can take us places we don't dare to go. Love stories, dramas, commedies, these are things we experience. Horror is foreign.

That being said, Roth obviously had a huge leash with this film to either guide the audience on a rollercoaster or hang himself. I really do feel that he hung himself with it because only for a few moments did he take us somewhere new.

After thinking about my above post further I am going to repeat myself. I think that this is just like From Dusk Till Dawn. There are two films in here, one of stupid kids getting high and laid and one about crazy psycho stuff and vengence. There is even that specific moment where the tone of the film changes.

Either way, I think it is worth a watch if you're into the high points and not worth it if you aren't into gore.

I'm curious to see more of this guys work, but for me, give me a story and I'll follow. Cheat me on the story and you can go screw yourself. I think that Roth lead me into him screwing himself. 50/50 if that much.

-Jeremy

[spencer]

Yeah, see, there's no need to disagree, i probably just stated my opinion wrong. I mentioned I hadn't seen many horror movies that really did this. So, to me, it was somewhat of a new thing, not needed to be reinvented because it was the only second time I had seen a torture type flick.

The other torture flick I had seen deserves a 5 on the horror scale, which I think was fairly original too: Audition. That film was weird, and creepy, and almost in the style of Hostel structure wise, but it kept a strange foreboding over the movie the whole time. It was always creepy, but seemed like two different movies. It did it a lot better than Roth, true.

But, that being said, it didn't take me on quite as fun of a ride as Hostel did in the last 20 or so minutes. I think that's why I liked it a lot still. But then, you still have to take environment into account as well, I suppose. I was in a big theater with a bunch of other people wholeheartedly enjoying it as well.

But yeah, my lack of horror movie knowledge probably gets this movie a higher rating than deserved. Audition still takes highest rank in that category, although if i considered Shaun of the Dead a part of the horror genre exclusively, it'd be at the top. Dawn of the Dead (not the remake) was good too. But that's about all I know, and that's strictly in a hollywood definition of the word "horror"

You wanna throw some titles at me that I might wanna see to bring down my grade of hostel?

[J.R. Hudson]

I'm going to read through this thread so I can participate a little better but her eis my review

Hostel

I have heard a lot about this film and finally got around to watching it and the first thing I am going to say is; what a bunch of hype. I have 2 comments about this film that initially intrigued me , one being Tarantino's endorsement and another seeing it called 'the scariest film in a decade' by Harry at Aint it Cool News ....

Huh ?

I am not totally disappointed as it is a very enjoyable horror film; but it is never scary. It is horrifying at times with it's exploitive use of gore but not one time during the film do you get the heebe jeebes of feeling of being scared. This fact alone is major negative in my book. I want to be scared in a horror film.

Think Clarise going down into Hannibal's cell for the first time or Jamie Lee Curtis going upstairs for the first time in Halloween...

It just never happens in this.

We do get a ton of over-the-top gore and is mostly done just right sans one shot of a drill going into a characters thigh and then we get some cheap ass obligatory insert shot of the drill entering flesh; so fucking 80's.

The film has it's share of drug use and most importantly, hot naked chicks having sex with dorks and that is a redeeming quality to this film but after what seems almost an hour of this do we finally get to the JUICY PARTS.

speaking of the characters; I am totally torn on this. I do not want to see the WB Players showing up, but not a single character in this is someone I recognized and for that matter, none of them seem like Movie Stars. And admittedly, in my film, I want a lead or two that have that 'Quality'.

The characters are pretty one dimensional but Roth tries to give us some depth with some lame storylines: one just broke up with is girl for example, and this guy you actually want to die early for being such a Nancy wet blanket. One witnessed a girl drowning as a child, one is just a horny party animal... there is even a scene where the lead chases some criminal children who steal his cell phone and stops himself short of strangling a kid; huh ?

These criminal children show up several times throughout the film for no apparent reason and it is a joke when they do. It reminded me of the kid in BETTER OFF DEAD yelling 'Two dollars!'

The film tries to sell us on the illusion that there are many many people involved in a conspiracy to abduct young travelers and submit them to torture and death at the hands of paying customers. It is a nice idea and definitely original but it never seems to go anywhere. But the people involved will be sure to party and have sex with you first before actually drugging you up in a public pub full of people.


This film is a quantum leap over Cabin Fever (Which I could have sworn was shot digitally by the way and imdb has it being shot 35mm) but still, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, in this film that showcases any signs of a great filmmaker. Although everything measures up to the standards of a professionally shot film, never is there a sequence or scene or shot that speaks anymore than that.

In other words, it could not have been shot any more boringly. I think of dynamic camera movement and I think Peter Jackson's Frighteners or Steven Chow's Kung Fu Hustle. With this we get 'Eh...'. Even the EX MASTER of terror John Carpenter used the camera with some wielding prow.

But, something did go right. The budget was 4.5 Million and it looks like it was at least $20 Million. It grossed 70 Million but most likely due to having Harry and Tarantino PIMP it like a hooker on discount night. At 1 hour and 35 Minutes , it is over really quick.

No mention ever of why the RING LEADER is a nut job and no mention how SO MANY FRIGGIN PEOPLE are involved in this.

Once again, this film has all the elements of a horror film MINUS one crucial ingredient: Actually Being Scared. Sure, the idea of abduction and torture and death is scary, but having the characters be drugged and then waking up already in the dungeon is boring. But at least we get lots of shots of hot naked lasses.

So look for more from Eli Roth but I'm not getting on his jock just yet and I have no idea why Harry and Quentin are smoking him off just yet

I'm going to go hard on this one.

2.5 out of 5 Hudson Stars

[FilmMakerr]

I didn't like Hostel.

I expected some brutal stuff to come out of it, stuff I'd never see anywhere else, but all I got were no more then one or two scenes of blood.

To be honest, I actually liked Cabin Fever better, because atleast that wasn't advertised like Hostel was.

[Jeremy Ordan]

Hudson,

Once again, I am really agreeing with you regarding this film and what works and what doesn't.

One thing that I wish that you would have commented on though was the use of sound. During the torture scenes the use of sound really makes this the ideal film to learn how to use sound effectively in a horror film. I even did a test with this film. I watched the torture scenes once normal with sound going and everything else. I cringed. Then I watched it again with the sound muted, no cringe. Now just to prove my point, again, watched it with sound, cringe. This film really does have the best use of sound for effect since the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original).

In general though, this is a disappointment on so many fronts. With your classic horror films you believe that these things could happen to you, whereas with this film, it just never seems all that plausible. Plus, if I was as big of a tool as these characters, it deserves to happen to me.

-Jeremy

[Jdaniels]

[quote=The Machinist]I have to agree with you. I am actually a long time purveyor of uber-gore. I spend some time searching the nooks and crannies of New york for the really underground rare stuff but I don't know what my or others fascination with it is. Then again I also can't comprehend the person who buys an Ashley Simpson CD for her "musical ability".
Same thing isnt it?

[Bsmith]

I actually thought this movie was more "porn" than "horror". At the end..I was like what? thats it? After watching an hour of sex, I get 15 minutes of scary time?

The sex scenes weren't even that good. I've seen better porn than this.:)

[Blaine]

After watching this movie I felt like I needed to take a shower. It is beyond me what QT saw in this and why he'd associate his name with it. It really pissed me off because of the story...or more to the point, lack of story. If you want a mindless, and I do mean mindless, gorefest, this might be your movie. If you like a movie that makes sense, this ain't it. Contrived is far too mild a word for this POS. I think you were WAY to generous, John and Yankee, in your assessment of this movie. I'm angry that I spent the time to watch it. Horror? Hardly. There was nothing remotely scary about this movie. It was just 93 minutes of gratuitous sex and gore.

On the positive side, the gore was done well. So much for the positive side.

Not for one minute while watching this movie did I believe the characters and the positions they found/put themselves in. And the idea of that guy going back for the girl was ludicrous. No one saw them...give me a fucking break. Contrived. I didn't like From Dusk Til Dawn for many reasons but compared to this, it should have won an Oscar for best picture.

And that band of kids...wtf was that all about? With the whole Slovak nation looking for him, he gets out????:shocked:

And coincidence piled on top of coincidence. This movie was just insulting.

[J.R. Hudson]

Great review; and I too am getting more and more annoyed with each passing movie moment. I just breezed through Tobe Hoopers Morturary and it was by far more compelling than Hostel (I'm not saying Morturary was good per se)

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I watched about 20 Minutes of Behind the Scenes on Hostel and decided I don't like Eli Roth. The first words out of his mouth are:

The toilet is shallow and without water and I can feel the steam of my shit as it is 2 inches from my sack.... and then he proceeds to say Fuck every other word there on out

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What's the hype on this guy ? Also, Cabin Fever was alright from an indiependent standpoint, but really ? Why is everyone smoking this guy off ?

Rob Zombie blows this clown out of the water and get's less attention.

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Rant over

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Sigh

[Blaine]

I wasn't wild about House of 1000 Corpses but it was WAAAY better than Hostel. After watching the movie I really had no desire to watch the special features. I probably should have "cooled off" and done the review tomorrow but I don't think it would make any difference. Usually, if a movie is bad, I just don't like it. It takes beyond bad for a movie piss me off.

[Jeremy Ordan]

You know, the three of us normally agree with each other regarding most films (except Blaine refuses to bow down to the brilliance of Rob Zombie... in time you will my son), but for me I think I'm getting more and more pissed about this film as time goes by.

Honestly, the only redeaming quality is that the sound for this film is exactly what sound should sound like in a horror film. Not the score, not the dialogue, the misc foley effects (like the toe being chopped) that make you cringe.

That is the only redeaming quality. I don't know, mother fucking eli roth...

-Jeremy

[Cephalectomy]

Personally, I liked Hostel. I thought it was fun, not everyone nitpicks like film makers about small things. Was this movie genious? No. However, I haven't seen too many that are. It had a small budget and I thought this movie was "fun". I hate that everyone places so much emphasis on "realistic" these days. 99% of movies are NOT realistic, they're movies made to entertain. I noticed someone mentioned the characters weren't memorable enough, personally, i hate big stars in movies, all u can do is associate that actor with something else they did, it takes away from a movie, especially horror I think. As for realitsic, there's a lot of boring people out there, we don't all stick out, why do these folks have to? I think it's more "realitsic" to have them not be anything special. As for gore and stuff, a lot of people complained that this movie didn't push the envelope like was advertised, well, you're NEVER going to see a movie released in the theatre with loads of realitsic violence/gore. The ratings board just won't let it go, all these movies (Hostel, Saw, Devil's Rejects, Hills Have Eyes, etc) get cut. If you want all out gross out, you have to go for the more indepenant stuff, and in turn that means smaller budgets, so it's that lovely catch 22, there's no winning on both levels. Anyways, I thought this movie was enjoyable but of course overhyped like all movies these days. If you buy into the hype, you screwed yourself, people should know better these days. It's all marketing. I personally liked Cabin Fever better, even though everyone seems to hate it.

Biggest dissapointment for me : High Tension. ..Awesome Gore, Nice Camera shots....HORRIBLE TWIST. Anyways, that was pointless, but just wanted to toss it in.

[Blaine]

QT's patronage of this movie kinda scares me. I hope he doesn't let it affect him and what he plans to turn out in the future. I realize he served as Executive Producer but when he puts his stamp on a movie (I believe it said Quentin Tarantino Presents) he must be held accountable. I think it affects his credibility. Will I think the next thing he puts his name on is worth seeing? Maybe not. It's no longer a slam dunk.

[J.R. Hudson]

Personally, I liked Hostel. I thought it was fun, not everyone nitpicks like film makers about small things.

Small things ? Nitpicking ? This film is nothing but an overhyped average horror film.

[/quote]Was this movie genious? No. [/quote]

It was average.


However, I haven't seen too many that are.

I can think of a ton of films better than this garbage


It had a small budget and I thought this movie was "fun".

The budget was 4 Million. Amazing what they accomplished with $4 Million. Of course, the 20 million in marketing surely helped propel it to the 47 Million Domestic gross (not very good) but the ratio is expense to profit ratio is huge.


I hate that everyone places so much emphasis on "realistic" these days.

Dont hate. It is not about realism, it is about plausibility, that of which this film has none.


99% of movies are NO0T realistic, they're movies made to entertain.

Again, it is not the realism factor, it is the bullshit factor.


I noticed someone mentioned the characters weren't memorable enough, personally, i hate big stars in movies, all u can do is associate that actor with something else they did, it takes away from a movie, especially horror I think.

I said it and to make it clear to you, I do not want moviestars but at least give me characters I can care about. I wouldnt hire these actors. At least a film like Texas Chainsaw (remake) or Scream has characters that are likable and memorable. This film has none of that (Sans the naked dames)

[/quote]As for realitsic, there's a lot of boring people out there, we don't all stick out, why do these folks have to? I think it's more "realitsic" to have them not be anything special. [/quote]

I have no idea what you are talking about here.


As for gore and stuff, a lot of people complained that this movie didn't push the envelope like was advertised, well, you're NEVER going to see a movie released in the theatre with loads of realitsic violence/gore. The ratings board just won't let it go, all these movies (Hostel, Saw, Devil's Rejects, Hills Have Eyes, etc) get cut.

I need none of the gore as it is usually the imagination that works better; think Se7en or even The Devils' Rejects. For what it is worth, I watched the UNRATED edition and it has more than enough gore for my tastes.


I thought this movie was enjoyable but of course overhyped like all movies these days. If you buy into the hype, you screwed yourself, people should know better these days. It's all marketing. I personally liked Cabin Fever better, even though everyone seems to hate it.

I too thought Cabin Fever was a better film (although not the sensation everyone else seems to think it was). I dont think anyone here (being filmmakers) buys into film hype. But let's examine the DVV Cover:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2869/untitled11pr.jpg

You should see the back of it:

Quentin Tarantino (Kill Bill 1 and Kill Bill 2) present ...... (Blain is absolutely correct; what the fuck is QT thinking attaching his name to such mediocrity ?
Jay Hernandez (Friday Night Fights!) and the dude from (Dumb and Dumberer) and Eli Roth (Cabin Fever) and blah blah ........


Biggest dissapointment for me : High Tension. ..Awesome Gore, Nice Camera shots....HORRIBLE TWIST. Anyways, that was pointless, but just wanted to toss it in.

Didnt see it as it looked 'Eh...' Sides, how scary can a French Film be anyway ?

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Anyways; props to a 4 Million dollar picture making 70 Mil.

[krestofre]

Well, so much for looking forward to the film version of King's Cell. :(

[J.R. Hudson]

I thought the same thing (and am reading the novel now).

[Cephalectomy]

<Small things ? Nitpicking ? This film is nothing but an overhyped average horror film. >

so then, you bought into the hype? if not then the hype shouldn't matter :)


<It was average.>

Overall, yes. By todays standards in horror, i'd say better then average.


<I can think of a ton of films better than this garbage>

Horror films, as of recent? Please name a few, in my experiences a lot of people like horror films i would call garbage. It's all a matter of opinion of course.


<The budget was 4 Million. Amazing what they accomplished with $4 Million. Of course, the 20 million in marketing surely helped propel it to the 47 Million Domestic gross (not very good) but the ratio is expense to profit ratio is huge.>

yup, 4 million is pretty minimal for a feature length movie with a worldwide theatrical release. And yes, a lot was spent on marketing, any movie that makes any huge amount of money has surely done the same.


<Dont hate. It is not about realism, it is about plausibility, that of which this film has none.>

I think what happened in this film in theory could happen, I didn't find anything exceptionally impossible. Likely however, no, but I can't say that for many movies, especially from the U.S. since everyone feels the need to come out with a happy ending or an over the top story.


<Again, it is not the realism factor, it is the bullshi* factor.>

guess it depends on what you consider realistic or not, i think it's purely subjective, like many things.


<I said it and to make it clear to you, I do not want moviestars but at least give me characters I can care about. I wouldnt hire these actors. At least a film like Texas Chainsaw (remake) or Scream has characters that are likable and memorable. This film has none of that (Sans the naked dames)>

See, me and you are on a different level I believe, I like underground horror, I personally hated the TCM remake, I though it was one of the biggest piles of shit released in recent years. Scream I can respect, it was doing something a little different, or trying to at least and it was the original of these brand of movies. I do understand your need to care about the characters, that's what makes their torture/death more "painful" to watch. I cared enough for it to get the point across, but no, these actors weren't amazing. However, when compared to a lot of old horror movies, which are my favs, the acting is definitely far beyond those.


[/quote]As for realitsic, there's a lot of boring people out there, we don't all stick out, why do these folks have to? I think it's more "realitsic" to have them not be anything special. [/quote]

<I have no idea what you are talking about here. >

All I was trying to say is that characters don't always have to stand out or have a lot of substance to them, I don't know about you, maybe you live a big life with a lot going on but being someone from a small town, i see a lot of boring uninteresting people I could care less about, and that to me is realistic.


<I need none of the gore as it is usually the imagination that works better; think Se7en or even The Devils' Rejects. For what it is worth, I watched the UNRATED edition and it has more than enough gore for my tastes.>

I haven't watched the uncut version yet, i should have it monday (i rent dvds through mail), I've only seen the theatrical release. I agree that Seven and The Devil's Rejects are good movies. Gore isn't necessary but it can also be fun, and the devil's rejects wasn't exactly horror, it was more of an explotation film if you ask me. The most uncomfortable scene in that is the hotel scene likely, it was just the crude unforgiving actions and dialog that made it work.


<I too thought Cabin Fever was a better film (although not the sensation everyone else seems to think it was). I dont think anyone here (being filmmakers) buys into film hype. But let's examine the DVV Cover:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2869/untitled11pr.jpg

You should see the back of it:

Quentin Tarantino (Kill Bill 1 and Kill Bill 2) present ...... (Blain is absolutely correct; what the poo poo is QT thinking attaching his name to such mediocrity ?
Jay Hernandez (Friday Night Fights!) and the dude from (Dumb and Dumberer) and Eli Roth (Cabin Fever) and blah blah ........>

Well being the producer, he likely forked some cash into it, he obviously liked the idea and is likely friends with Eli. It's just another marketing ploy, people should know better these days, and if not, then hey, all the better for Eli. I personally think QT is highly over rated, i'm not saying i don't like his style but the way he is praised gets tiresome, I like Reservoir Dogs a lot, but didn't give two shits about Pulp Fiction, I enjoyed Kill Bill but all he did was rip off other Kung Fu movies to make his own. The guy obviously has talent but he's no godsend...again....simply my opinion.



<Didnt see it as it looked 'Eh...' Sides, how scary can a French Film be anyway ?>

Well that's kind of ignorant isn't it, who cares if he's french or not, frankly the movie was really well done, i just don't care for this new trend of twists and the twist in this movie was a bit of a cheap i'd say. However had it been more straight forward I'd of loved it, the look was great, the gore was great and it actually managed to make me jump in one spot which is pretty uncommon these days. I haven't seen a movie that "scared" me in, i don't know how long. I'm too desensitized to horror now I guess.


<Anyways; props to a 4 Million dollar picture making 70 Mil.>

Indeed. Also, I hope none of these comments sounded like attacks on your opinions, don't take them as such, just trying to give me side to your comments. :nads:

[J.R. Hudson]

so then, you bought into the hype? if not then the hype shouldn't matter
No no no. I watch everything. Hype does not affect me. It is just irritating to see QT pimping it.


Overall, yes. By todays standards in horror, I'd say better then average.
I dont judge on genre curves. Just as a flick.


Horror films, as of recent? Please name a few
In the last 2 years ? The Devils Reject's, Dawn of the Dead 04, Shaun of the Dead, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Secret Window, Saw, The Village, Constantine, Amityville Horror 05 ...

yup, 4 million is pretty minimal for a feature length movie with a worldwide theatrical release. And yes, a lot was spent on marketing, any movie that makes any huge amount of money has surely done the same.
They should shoot all films in Prague with these prices.


I think what happened in this film in theory could happen, I didn't find anything exceptionally impossible. Likely however, no, but I can't say that for many movies, especially from the U.S. since everyone feels the need to come out with a happy ending or an over the top story.
In theory, time travel is possible. But our point is, we are not stoked on the conveniently wrapped up plot in the 3rd act.


guess it depends on what you consider realistic or not, i think it's purely subjective, like many things.
It is pretty strict, my rules of realism (plausible).


See, me and you are on a different level I believe, I like underground horror, I personally hated the TCM remake, I though it was one of the biggest piles of shi* released in recent years. Scream I can respect, it was doing something a little different, or trying to at least and it was the original of these brand of movies. I do understand your need to care about the characters, that's what makes their torture/death more "painful" to watch. I cared enough for it to get the point across, but no, these actors weren't amazing. However, when compared to a lot of old horror movies, which are my favs, the acting is definitely far beyond those.
Never said they could not act; just was not impressed with them. They lack longevity. They lack that' Qaulity' of wanting to see them again. Not sure what level you speak of; A good film is a good film, a bad film is a bad film.


I personally think QT is highly over rated, i'm not saying i don't like his style but the way he is praised gets tiresome, I like Reservoir Dogs a lot, but didn't give two shi*s about Pulp Fiction, I enjoyed Kill Bill but all he did was rip off other Kung Fu movies to make his own. The guy obviously has talent but he's no godsend...again....simply my opinion.
Now I know were on different playing fields. Blasphemy. How can I even talk film with you after this ? (I'm crying in the fetal position now)

Well that's kind of ignorant isn't it, who cares if he's french or not, frankly the movie was really well done, i just don't care for this new trend of twists and the twist in this movie was a bit of a cheap i'd say. However had it been more straight forward I'd of loved it, the look was great, the gore was great and it actually managed to make me jump in one spot which is pretty uncommon these days. I haven't seen a movie that "scared" me in, i don't know how long. I'm too desensitized to horror now I guess.
Come to think of it, what is the French contribution to cinema? (Beyond the NEw Wave moevement I mean)

Indeed. Also, I hope none of these comments sounded like attacks on your opinions, don't take them as such, just trying to give me side to your comments.
No of course not. I'll let you know if they are offensive (I have banning power) Muahahahahahah! Kidding.
Seriously, please let me know as well if remarks come acorss as intrusive. Most likely they are not intended that way.

[Aaron Marshall]

I just don't want to see this movie.

I dislike Eli Roth from Cabin Fever. Anyone that could create that mess can't be playing with a full deck.

Pancakes?

After Cabin Fever was over I just sat there in a pissed off trance for about 30 seconds. I kept thinking, "Did I just waste that much of my life? I could have spent that time sculpting figurines out of day old dog crap. I would have felt far less violated intellectually.". I wanted to throw a brick through the TV, but then I came to my senses. It wasn't the TV's fault...but then I thought, "But the TV did display the movie and that means something...". So then I thought about the brick idea again, and then came to my senses once more.

I guess it just angered me because for that budget; almost any DVXuser could make a film 100x better. Ok I might just be talking out my rear, but you get my point.

On second thought, to Eli Roth's credit he did make me a lot more confident as a filmmaker. I thought, "Damn if he can make it any idiot can.". So Eli Roth, maybe you're some sort of a genius. Maybe that's your purpose; a beacon of hope.

I'm not even going to give Hostel a chance for fear of another 30 second trance pondering how I wasted another 1hr 30 some odd minutes of my life.

[FilmMakerr]

High Tension had amazing gore, and everything.

The twist is just fine, but they cheated, and that upsets me.

[Blaine]

I'm not even going to give Hostel a chance for fear of another 30 second trance pondering how I wasted another 1hr 30 some odd minutes of my life.
It's now sixteen hours since I saw it and I'm still pissed about how bad it was and how insulting it is that the person who wrote and directed tried to put something like this over on me. He obviously doesn't respect his audience. :furious3:

[Kholi]

I just don't want to see this movie.

I dislike Eli Roth from Cabin Fever. Anyone that could create that mess can't be playing with a full deck.

Pancakes?

After Cabin Fever was over I just sat there in a pissed off trance for about 30 seconds. I kept thinking, "Did I just waste that much of my life? I could have spent that time sculpting figurines out of day old dog crap. I would have felt far less violated intellectually.". I wanted to throw a brick through the TV, but then I came to my senses. It wasn't the TV's fault...but then I thought, "But the TV did display the movie and that means something...". So then I thought about the brick idea again, and then came to my senses once more.

I guess it just angered me because for that budget; almost any DVXuser could make a film 100x better. Ok I might just be talking out my rear, but you get my point.

On second thought, to Eli Roth's credit he did make me a lot more confident as a filmmaker. I thought, "Damn if he can make it any idiot can.". So Eli Roth, maybe you're some sort of a genius. Maybe that's your purpose; a beacon of hope.

I'm not even going to give Hostel a chance for fear of another 30 second trance pondering how I wasted another 1hr 30 some odd minutes of my life.

L M F A O

PAAANCAAAkES! dude I never even watched Cabin Fever, but I know the quote well. My friends are always ranting on how garbage is was.

But whatever, people are entitled to form their own opinions about movies. Nobody's better than anyone else for what they like or dislike.

[Blaine]

But whatever, people are entitled to form their own opinions about movies. Nobody's better than anyone else for what they like or dislike.
I agree with that statement. And the reason I like reading other's reviews and giving mine, is that I will find out who I agree with so when they give a review on a movie I can make a judgement about whether or not I want to spend money on it. I may not always agree with someone's taste in movies, but at least it gives me a place to start. If there is someone I consistantly disagree with, I'm probably not going to be taking his recommendation on a film. It's a matter of taking input to make decisions on how to spend my time.

Not everyone is going to agree with my choices in movies but if they tend to like what I like, they might accept my recommendation. If they hate what I like, I might just save them some time.

[Kholi]

I agree with that statement. And the reason I like reading other's reviews and giving mine, is that I will find out who I agree with so when they give a review on a movie I can make a judgement about whether or not I want to spend money on it. I may not always agree with someone's taste in movies, but at least it gives me a place to start. If there is someone I consistantly disagree with, I'm probably not going to be taking his recommendation on a film. It's a matter of taking input to make decisions on how to spend my time.

Not everyone is going to agree with my choices in movies but if they tend to like what I like, they might accept my recommendation. If they hate what I like, I might just save them some time.


Definitely. Before I go and watch just about any movie, I call back to GA and ask one of my best friends. His opinion always seems fair, and in the end, even if I disagree with him, the opinion is great.

It's all subjective anyway. My boss gave me a crazy look when I said my favorite movie was GHOSTBUSTERS, but then I explained why and he understood more. (Seriously, the comedy in that movie is golden.)

[Blaine]

my favorite movie was GHOSTBUSTERS, but then I explained why and he understood more. (Seriously, the comedy in that movie is golden.)
I couldn't agree more on how good that movie is. While I don't rate it as highly as you, it's 12th on my list of great movies, it is No. 1 on my list of comedies, just ahead of Young Frankenstein and Caddyshack.

[Kholi]

I couldn't agree more on how good that movie is. While I don't rate it as highly as you, it's 12th on my list of great movies, it is No. 1 on my list of comedies, just ahead of Young Frankenstein and Caddyshack.

Young Frankenstein is hilarious. I remember going into convulsions on "Roll in ze hay.. roll in ze hay".

And Caddyshack couldn't be more hilarious. Bill Murray is probably one of my favorite comedians.

And it's funny, because my biggest writing influence is Harold Ramis- Ghostbusters and Caddyshack!

[WestEnd]

I can't stand the Rob Zombie movies. I think they are horrible. The movies just seem pointless to me. At least Hostel kept me entertained. I expected more gore, but got more tits instead.

[J.R. Hudson]

"Put, the candle, back!'

[Filmjunkie677]

I can't stand the Rob Zombie movies. I think they are horrible. The movies just seem pointless to me.


Care to elaborate?

:furious3:

[The Machinist]

I can't stand the Rob Zombie movies. I think they are horrible. The movies just seem pointless to me. At least Hostel kept me entertained.

Blasphemer.

[TC]

I finally saw it, I don't know if it was overhyped, or what, but I thought it was absolute crap, and I was absolutely dissapointed.

None of the characters were strong enough to hold the story together, but they definitely picked the weakest one to lead it.\

The gore, IMO, was stupid. I didn't feel the pain. I don't know, I wasn't cringing, I was just bored.

The dialog was awful, in the commentary, Tarantino said that he loved how the flick had a story. Who paid him to say that, because I would be very suprised if someone who writes as well as he does thinks that is story.

I can't remember much else right now, I was pretty tired last night. But I definitely was NOT digging it.

[FilmMakerr]

Rob Zombie gets too much.

Only thing he made that was good was Devils Rejects, and people already believe he is amazing.

[J.R. Hudson]

I think what people are latching onto Rob Zombie for is the balls in his filmmaking. We are sorrounded with such pop-corny, sentimental, good guy's always win, PG-13 faire these days that it can be refreshing to see a film that is shoved in your face and that doesnt taste good but you are forced to digest

I dont think anyone says he is amazing per se as it is just encouraging to see his kind of filmmaking resurging. Grindhouse, exploitive, whatever you want to tag it as, it is a nice change and can be a good release viscerally.

With modern horror, it has become such a style of SCREAM rip-offs or Japanese Horror buttered down to gentile or comic book recreations. These films are unflinching:

Dark Water, Skeleton Key, White Noise, Alone in the Dark, Constantine, House
of Wax, Resident Evil, The Grudge .... (Insert more crap)

Zombie has 2 films under his belt and has received some decent critical acclaim for The Devil's Reject's. Say what you want about his talent or dis on Ho1KC but if it wasnt for House of 1000 Corpses we wouldnt have The Devil's Reject's.

I think if someone does not like The Devil's Reject's it is that they don't like the genre. It is the same person who hated HILLS and LAST HOUSE in the 70's for the very reason it makes their stomach crawl.

Zombie has shown a quantam leap in growth in just 1 film whereas Eli (The Hack) Roth has people smoking him off after 2 shitfests.

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What I like about the characters in Zombie's film's are that they are so more real than the modern day horror villians we typically see. You feel like you've met them before or that they are literally living amongst you. Captain Spaulding is fucking scary for real.

[Jeremy Ordan]

I think Zombie is amazing, I'm one of those people who has seen TDR at least 20 times, studied it, listened to the commentary, and watched the hell out of the DVD. Why do I like this film? It breaks the mold and is one of the few films to come out recently that has BALLS. It does not appologize for what it is and doesn't appologize for what it is not. It is a horror film in the vein of what a horror film should be. These are the sort of people you could be looking at one second and be being killed by the next. There is a creapy reality to the characters Zombie crafted and he proved himself to be a DIRECTOR, unlike Roth who is just the guy calling the shots. Roth doesn't have a vision that is conveyed, Zombie has a vision, and it is pain. Pain is real. Pain is universal, and pain is passion. Zombie excites his audience, transporting them to a place that is real and scary. Roth plays with good sound to convey fear through gore. Zombie uses gore to convey the end result.

Why am I so up Zombie's ass? He has more potential than any other director working today and has given me something fresh.

There are very few directors who can make something old feel like something new: QT & Zombie are two artists who can, plus they are both writer/directors, and that needs to be respected.

-Jeremy

[FilmMakerr]

I agree with the two above.

Except with House of 1000 corpses being a good movie, it shouldn't of even been made, it was THAT horrible.

Devils Rejects, I also liked, it grew on me, I'd put it before any Roth movie.

[KingVidiot]

Come to think of it, what is the French contribution to cinema? (Beyond the NEw Wave moevement I mean)



Man Bites Dog

City of Lost Children

Diva

Chinatown (well he was born in Paris, he he he)

La Femme Nikita