here's a slo-mo clip!

[zoostory]

hey here's a slo-mo clip we shot out here in LA of me jumping... yay. 720p24p shot at 60... also a fairly busy shot, very wide, so you can get a look at how the camera handles detail:
http://www.raisethesteaks.com/hvx/jumping_slowh264.mov


it's h.264 I did notice a slight drop in quality going from DVCproHD

I can't host it for too long... also I have like 5 more minutes of stuff, just no room to host. So if anyone can mirror this and/or let me host the other stuff!

enjoy!

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Noise and rumors on the black areas! Sniff! There was 'nuff light here...it's not possible...what was setted the gain?
It's clearly a bug of the stock of this cameras, or it's a sort of nightmare :( :( :(
But good slowmo! This is good for sure! :)

[zoostory]

I didn't shoot it, so not sure... I don't think there was any gain. I wonder if shooting diff frame rates effects this cameras exposure like a film camera and the auto gain kicked in or something? Also, I think it may be the h.264 conversion, and the fact that we weren't shooting in the best of conditions!

[Danilo Del Tufo]

I trust in Barry Green, he could explain what the hell this camera doing with all this noise. I can understand a completely dark scene with +12 gain, as the night footage that I've seen shot in Japan. But, guys, something don't work with this Hvx cameras.
Who's shooting has read the manual? Maybe it's a basic manual setting that nobody reads, and this is the result. I hope so.
I can't believe that Panasonic send in the market a camera with all this noise. It's not usable for filmaking, but for webcam use it's good...a webcam of 8.000 euros...
It's clearly broken or has big problems.
I hope Panasonic does something with it, I know make cameras is hard, but guys...8.000 for a slowmo webcam, no thanks!

[Rodrigo]

Well, I didn't see so much noise as danilo.... dunno... anyway, looking at the room it some gain may have been used

[Rodrigo]

what i DO see anyway is color fringing and low latitude... dunno, I am getting more and more upset by thngs I see... maybe it is just that the cmera needs big amounts of light

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Well, I didn't see so much noise as danilo.... dunno... anyway, looking at the room it some gain may have been used


Didn't see noise? Check good the black areas of the bags and tell me if there'snt noise. There's a LOT, a LOT, of Noise.
I've noticed in the first view...i'm seeing it on Crt Philips Brilliance 202P4.

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Noise color fringing and low latitude are ever in ambush with this camera.
We gonna buy a monitor only for a little shot at this point.
I hope we'll know what the hell this camera is affected, it's a problem...a serious problem...
Maybe if Panasonic waited any other months, the camera would work good.
I still hope Pal version do the miracle.

[Rodrigo]

dunno, man, there IS noise, of course, but it is far from unbearable... it is very possible that +6 gain has been used

here's a color graded frame of the clip

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6136/jumpingslowh2643dz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[img=http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6136/jumpingslowh2643dz.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

[zoostory]

I mean, there's probably +6dB of gain. We pointed the camera and shot, and didn't really have a manual to thumb through, so I wouldn't cry over it, I'm most positive that any good DP can reduce the noise levels. And lets not forget, need I repeat again, this is a compressed, lossy 3rd gen file. I went from MXF to DVCproHD to h.264 and I didn't really pay to much attention to the process either.

I'll say this. We played back the footage on a 50 inch plasma screen and it looked great. Is it Viper or Genesis, no. Is it a VariCam or an F950... um... no... is it a PD150 or a Z1U. no :)

And remember, if you're talking narrative and you want "filmic" and all that jazz. The most "filmic" thing you can and should do is have a good story and good performance!

[zoostory]

oh god now I have to stare at myself!

[Rodrigo]

Lol

[Danilo Del Tufo]

It's an example of Canon Xl H1:

http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canonhd0hc.jpg

[r_dahl]

interesting...:huh: looked much better on my monitor (than the still posted) did notice it a bit though. not an impressive image. dig the slo-mo feature though, appears smoothe even in the q-time.

[Rodrigo]

What, Danilo?

Are you comparing a daylight image with one taken at a dark store?

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Excuse me I've not indoors footage, but there's not noise pattern on ev'ry pic I've seen of Canon. I hope to find some noise pic of indoor of Canon too, so I can breathe again, I really love the possibilities of Hvx200, but the detail of hvx200 it's not good.
I like more an artistic approach, with good photography and details, not only storytelling, it's cinema not a theatrical performance with people speaking allowing going on the screenplay.
I love this approach, more metaphisical, much more interested in symbols, in long pauses, in the silence.
So I really like images detailed, I believe here there are more filmakers aspiring to be the new Woody Allen :), instead I really like the poetry of silence :)

[Barry_Green]

There's not much point in comparing shots unless you know how they were shot, and especially what circumstances they were shot under.

Look at the Kaku outdoors clips that Michael Pappas posted, which I put in another thread here. Looks startling, doesn't it? But without knowing the true circumstances, there's not much that can be drawn from it.

Give us a little time, we'll get controlled shots from all four next week.

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Thanks Barry Green to help us! I'm very grateful to you :thumbsup:
I'd like don't be all this difference between Canon and Panasonic, so it will be more simple choice the right one.
Thank you for your precious work again! I really love that you want understand for yourself, you want investigate on it, you don't follow the hype.
This is helpful Barry, very helpful. :)
Open Mind it's important!

[Mr. Blonde]

Barry you guys need to hurry it up with that darned four cam shootout, too many people crying here and nitpicking. Let's put all this bickering to rest!:thumbsup:

[Darkline]

Danilo

One thing I think is worth pointing out - and everyone who views quicktime should be aware...... I noticed that some of the clips put up yesterday (which were in WMV and quicktime formats) looked completely different to each other. The quicktime looked milky - like the black pedestal had been lifted; thus bringing out the noise in the dark areas and looking muddy.

The WMV had a much better contrast/saturation and I could not see any noise at all. I then saw there was a TIFF available of this footage - the TIFF looked like the WMV, NOT the quicktime clip.

Someone posted a response to me saying that quicktime has a gamme bug when playing back, and it was the reason the quicktime clips looked wrong. Apprantly if you take the same Mov and view it in FCP it looks fine.

So I hope this is true; if so it goes for all the quicktime clips available (maybe just the H234 or whatever the codec is).

Anyway, just thought Id chime in. The still exports and the WMV's look good.

Karl

[smelni]

strangely enough i just looked at the clip and it looks very clean on my monitor.

[danny dale]

if any of you have Final Cut Pro, open this clip up with that instead of Quicktime - you'll see a big difference. someone posted here that there is a gamma bug in Quicktime. i've gone back and viewed all my H.264 versions and they look MUCH better in FCP - check for out...

[zoostory]

Also guys, please remember, this is from mxf to DVCproHD to h.264... that's some gen loss. I can tell just by looking at the DVCproHD that the h.264 has lost some definition.

[Joe_Aksdal]

what a well planned shot...

[rgdfilms]

Yes please, I agree w/ your sarcasm Joe. Can someone please go outside w/ a tripod and take a properly exposed and composed shot of something busy in 480, 720, 1080..

And here is a message to all of you that currently own an HVX and frequent these forums,

YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, being members of this community, TO PROVIDE US WITH EXCELLENT IMAGES, with info accompanying each shot for our evaluation.

THIS IS NOT A CHOICE, if you frequent these boards and own this thing then you also bought the title of HVX PIONEER. If you don't feel confident in taking some decent images, don't announce that you own the HVX...come to think of it, why'd you buy it in the first place?

[zoostory]

and/pr, the dude in the store was nice enough to let us shoot me jumping with the floor model and take the footage home with us. I'm sure he'd love it if we took HIS camera out of the store.

[SPZ]

It WAS your OBLIGATION to take the camera out of the store! :)

Thanks for the clip, Zoostory. Every new clip posted is a good clip. It just proved you took the time to do something for us, and that's always welcome. Thank you!
This is indeed another good contribution for us to see the 60P capabilities of the camera...

NOW GO BACK IN THERE AND SHOOT US SOME STUFF AT 0 GAIN :)

[slinks]

is that at evs?

[Emanuel]

Who's shooting has read the manual?:grin:

[Rush]

Yeah that's our new store front.

[slinks]

yea i just bought CO wide lens for a pretty decent price from there a couple of weeks ago. I'll most definately shop or rent there again.

[tuface]

"I'd like don't be all this difference"

wow.