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proximity

01-04-2006, 06:45 AM

Hi guys,

Think Secret today wrote a bit about the RED camera and Final Cut Pro 6, claiming sources estimated a pricerange of at least 200.000$ - Think Secret is right in 19/20 cases. I don't think waiting for the RED makes any sence, guys, buy your HVX :)

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/finalcut6.html

- Prox

BTW, might be a good idea to post this in the HVX news section as well...

Luis Caffesse

01-04-2006, 06:47 AM

Think Secret is right in 19/20 cases.
Having kept up with their site for a while I think that's probably a bit of a stretch.
Also, I'd be willing to bet a new HVX that the Red cam will be significantly cheaper than 200K. Significantly.

Besides, who should we believe? A rumor site that claims to have insider knowledge, or the founder and owner of the company who has publicly stated that this camera will be affordable to many of those who frequent these forums?

BTW, might be a good idea to post this in the HVX news section as well...

Cross posting is never a good idea.
:thumbsup:

Danilo Del Tufo

01-04-2006, 07:08 AM

I've now read the same notice! 200.000 $ it's a problem also for George Lucas :cheesy:
Why this internet is so full of rumors:cheesy: ?
I really like someguy of this project tell me:- "Here is the camera, it's only 10.000 $, we have discover that if we make it cheap, people buy it, so we can ammortize cost!"
It's so simple, we can only make a lot of messages about it, but this guys, know very well ours feelings about it.
So it's only an endless pain:shocked: till we want write messages here or just have the curiosity to see this "hot" news...evr'yday :(
Life is "short", guys!

The Machinist

01-04-2006, 07:22 AM

I look forward to see what Final Cut 6 and Extreme have to offer the market.

I'm curious as to the impact DVD Studio's support of both Blu-ray and HD-DVD will have on those formats? Perhaps an added push towards adoption?

Tzedekh

01-04-2006, 08:15 AM

Think Secret today wrote a bit about the RED camera and Final Cut Pro 6, claiming sources estimated a pricerange of at least 200.000$ - Think Secret is right in 19/20 cases.Although I think it's disingenuous to claim that Red isn't well along in development (it would have to be even if it's a balsa mockup shown at NAB 2006 -- otherwise, Jannard could hold up an ashtray and say, "Here's Red!"), pricing is obviously far from final. The prices of electronic components are volatile -- even though capacity goes up and prices generally down, an earthquake could destroy a supplier's factory and effectively double or triple the price of the components produced there. Then there's all the analysis that goes into determining the optimum price for the target market. And there's the rub: Jannard has not only taken on a technologic challenge, he also has to decide to whom exactly he will market this camera. Obviously, if it came in under $10,000 reasonably equipped (except for lenses, which will be expensive in any case), he would have a lot of buyers on this board. Of course, generally speaking, the higher the price, the smaller the potential market. It would be bad for him to gear up to sell the thing at $10,000 and learn that he'd have to sell it at $100,000 to see a profit, or conversely to say it'll cost about $60,000, only to find that by the time it's released he has lower-priced competition. Jannard is too smart to discuss pricing as long as he can avoid it. Anybody else's guesses are not worth much, especially since public information about the camera is still very nebulous.

Jannard

01-04-2006, 08:19 AM

Think $ecret must not be reading the boards...

Steve Shovlar

01-04-2006, 08:57 AM

I was thinking $200,000 is not what this camera is about, and I see Jim has now posted saying basically the same thing.

There would be no point posting on these boards about the camera, if the price wasn't within the realms (albeit highest realms) of the majority of posters on here.

To make the big money, it's not about selling a handfull of cameras at $200,000 to make a million or two. R&D will hardly be re-couped! It's about selling the camera to thousands. Plus accessories. Plus addons if required.

mmm

01-04-2006, 10:05 AM

Think $ecret must not be reading the boards...

So, just roughly, where in the market are you aiming the camera/price Jim?

2K? 10K? 20K? 200K?

You must know what you are aiming for? I think it will be beneficial to give people some idea.

Jannard

01-04-2006, 10:14 AM

Jack_Felis

01-04-2006, 10:21 AM

I bet most of the money will come from accessories. Usually it does. RED rod support system, Matte box, follow focus, lens adapters (if any), monitors, viewfinders, audio add-ons, ect. But then again, it all depends on what kind of camera this turns out to be (ie. DVX-size, XL-size, or big shoulder mount-sized).

zuvis

01-04-2006, 02:15 PM

200 000$ is totally out of the line.. [a HOUSE cost that much!] - think secret are mistaking.
As we all know - that RED guys are aiming to different [poorer] crowd.

Monglane

01-04-2006, 02:53 PM

We aren't here to irritate a group of users by teasing them with a useful tool only to frustrate them with a camera they can't afford.
Quite sensible. My personal assessment would be in the $ 15-to-35,000 range.

Digigenic

01-04-2006, 03:00 PM

perhaps a minor typo - remove a zero - not 200,000 - but 20,000...?

Jason Rodriguez

01-04-2006, 03:01 PM

I think you have to realize though, that even though the camera *may* be 15-35K (probably near the upper end of that), that the Mac itself, if those rumors are true on the FCP pricing, will be over $25K.

Easily $10K+ for a top-end Mac with a dual QuadroFX card in SLI mode . . . (didn't know the mac's supported SLI)

$10K for FCP Xtreme

$5-6K for that monitor.

So yes, overall a nice setup, and a big savings over an AVID system of something of that nature, but for DVX/HVX users who are used to paying maybe 5K-8K for a system max, that's sort of steep.

And of course if you have PC users, that have invested a lot of time and energy into their edit systems (such as XPress Pro, Vegas, etc.), then those people will have to ditch that for another $25K to get a suitable mac system to work with the Red camera (and hopefully there'll be lots of real-time effects/layers-but I would imagine so with all that GPU horsepower behind the wheel).

So just a quick price perspective here. Apple equipment isn't cheap, never has been. So even if the Red camera were FREE, that would still leave you $25K in the hole, unless you have a system like that right now . . . and I can tell you, even most Mac users don't have Quad G5's at home . . . they just came out.

spencer

01-04-2006, 03:07 PM

200 000$ is totally out of the line.. [a HOUSE cost that much!] - think secret are mistaking.
As we all know - that RED guys are aiming to different [poorer] crowd.

Real Estate must be different in Europe than in CA, cuz 200,000 buys you a condo around here.

Not significant to the post subject, though.

I really think it'd be neat if the price is as big of a surprise as JAnnard hopes it to be than the size of my wallet. Which is somewhat small.

Does that make sense? whatever, I'm tired.

mmm

01-04-2006, 03:07 PM

We have said that we will announce a price at NAB. I would hesitate to give a price range now because we are in development and things can change, a little. If I give a range, most will only see the lower number. I will say, and have said before, that the price will be as big a surprise as the specs. So will the camera design and accessories. We aren't here to irritate a group of users by teasing them with a useful tool only to frustrate them with a camera they can't afford.

That's cool.

I guess you are keeping it a nice suprise for us.

I hope you bring down all the megacorps:thumbsup:

Antoine_Fabi

01-04-2006, 03:32 PM

We have said that we will announce a price at NAB. I would hesitate to give a price range now because we are in development and things can change, a little. If I give a range, most will only see the lower number. I will say, and have said before, that the price will be as big a surprise as the specs. So will the camera design and accessories. We aren't here to irritate a group of users by teasing them with a useful tool only to frustrate them with a camera they can't afford.

Being a musician, now that sounds like a great symphony to my ears !

Barry_Green

01-04-2006, 03:52 PM

Think $ecret must not be reading the boards...
Hmmm... looks like we just found the 1 out of the 20 (referencing thinksecret's 19/20 record)!

Haakon

01-04-2006, 04:01 PM

We have said that we will announce a price at NAB. I would hesitate to give a price range now because we are in development and things can change, a little. If I give a range, most will only see the lower number. I will say, and have said before, that the price will be as big a surprise as the specs. So will the camera design and accessories. We aren't here to irritate a group of users by teasing them with a useful tool only to frustrate them with a camera they can't afford.
I can wait until NAB for pricing information. It's already been stated that the camera most likely won't even be ready until the end of the year... doesn't really matter what the price is if you can't buy it yet.

Your posts are well thought-out and honest. Thank you for posting here.

Chance White

01-04-2006, 04:05 PM

Jannard, godspeed sir. Did you ever know that you're my hero?

Escargot

01-04-2006, 06:14 PM

Why the sample pic they posted on their site was shot with a Canon 1D MkII? I'd like to see the real sample from the redcam.

im.thatoneguy

01-04-2006, 06:56 PM

... and I'd like to see a stat based on real-world achievable technology.

If it sounds too good to be true... I'm just praying I'm wrong.

I think you have to realize though, that even though the camera *may* be 15-35K (probably near the upper end of that), that the Mac itself, if those rumors are true on the FCP pricing, will be over $25K.

Easily $10K+ for a top-end Mac with a dual QuadroFX card in SLI mode . . . (didn't know the mac's supported SLI)

$10K for FCP Xtreme

$5-6K for that monitor.

So yes, overall a nice setup, and a big savings over an AVID system of something of that nature, but for DVX/HVX users who are used to paying maybe 5K-8K for a system max, that's sort of steep.

And of course if you have PC users, that have invested a lot of time and energy into their edit systems (such as XPress Pro, Vegas, etc.), then those people will have to ditch that for another $25K to get a suitable mac system to work with the Red camera (and hopefully there'll be lots of real-time effects/layers-but I would imagine so with all that GPU horsepower behind the wheel).

So just a quick price perspective here. Apple equipment isn't cheap, never has been. So even if the Red camera were FREE, that would still leave you $25K in the hole, unless you have a system like that right now . . . and I can tell you, even most Mac users don't have Quad G5's at home . . . they just came out.

Two words: Offline Editing.

I'm more concerned about the camera and aquisition. The real world can't be captured offline.

SalaTar

01-04-2006, 07:42 PM

I will NEVER buy a Mac labeled hardware system!!!
I will however buy a system that runs nix OS or a Apple OS(Free BSD rip-off) ((why not Bill ripped every one))

Angrius

01-04-2006, 09:32 PM

Hey this is totally off topic, but does anybody remember that lame ass song by Frankie Goes to Hollywood that was a big hit back in the 80's?

Jannard

01-04-2006, 09:46 PM

Relax.

Jim

Angrius

01-04-2006, 09:51 PM

Thanks Jim!:thumbsup:

spencer

01-04-2006, 10:04 PM

Why the sample pic they posted on their site was shot with a Canon 1D MkII? I'd like to see the real sample from the redcam.

That'd be kickass and all, but you may wanna note that it is somewhat of an impossibility considering that the RED camera is not made as of this moment.

Hence, no picture.

Luis Caffesse

01-04-2006, 11:03 PM

Why the sample pic they posted on their site was shot with a Canon 1D MkII?

As it states on the site:
"The above frames are to be judged for size comparison only"

The still is not there for the image - but only to show the size of a 2540P frame in relation to 1080, 720 and 480.

Andrew Stefan

01-06-2006, 04:48 PM

I'm new on this forum but I'm expierienced in film and tv business. Last year I made a big performance on 5 screens simultauosly (50 meters long, 6 meters high)on the biggest World Exhibition EXPO 2005 in Aichi Japan. To obtain the best possible resolution (look at screen size) we had to shot on 35 mm.and HD.The trouble was that every take was shot simultanuosly on 3 to 5 connected cameras pointed to 3 sides.Finaly we've got a kind of giant cinerama motion picture that was shown in our paviolion using 8 Digital Projectors 10.000 ANSI each (that were joined together with a special software). People liked our show so we had 1.500.000 viewers. I had to write all that to point out that before EXPO we spent 1 year on finding and inventing the proper technology for our task. That is why I know that technology of Red Camera is a joke !!!! No company in the real world is capable of preparing camera with specified (on RED website) features. Building any new camera is so expensive that only very big companies can afford it. So company with only 1 active page showing 4 pictures of racing car and few lines of text (rest of the pages do not work) is realy funny jole.A guy who made it, took all Yours and mine wishes and dreams about smal super HD camera and made them as the main features. Clever and inteligent. That can be the "road map" to real companies what should they do to satisfy us. So I will have to wait to NAB but in 2012 to have all this and definitely from Panasonic, Sony, Canon,JVC but not from red eye smiling at You. Best wishes to all of You.

Jack_Felis

01-06-2006, 05:00 PM

May want to run, Andrew. Run hard, run fast, and don't look back. I see pitchforks and torches over the hill heading your way. As for me, I've got popcorn...

Anhar Miah

01-06-2006, 06:00 PM

Err, didnt that song have some kind of homosexual thing about it ?

anyway thats OT

Anhar

Monglane

01-06-2006, 06:02 PM

"Nobody had told them that it couldn't be done. So they went ahead and did it."

Looking at my crystal ball, I see some tongue-biting looming... Ridicule used to kill, they say. Fortunately for some, not any more. :grin:

Graeme_Nattress

01-07-2006, 03:59 AM

Sorry Andrew, but you're so wrong on so many levels.....

Graeme

tlorenzo

01-07-2006, 04:42 AM

I don't think the RED camera is a hoax, but they might've underestimated the size of the job... Sometimes the last 5% will take twice the time of the initial 95% - if you get my drift.

A non-functioning version of the camera should be annonced at NAB2006, so it kinda sucks living in Denmark when I'd rather be in Vegas for the show. Since it's not a functioning version I'd bet that there's still a huge amount of work left for the RED crew before the product hits the shelves...

I took a look at the NAB2006 exhibitor list and couldn't find RED anywhere... Are you listed under another company name (like Oakley, Inc?), Jim?

/ Tony

Digigenic

01-07-2006, 04:55 AM

I took a look at the NAB2006 exhibitor list and couldn't find RED anywhere...
I just noticed the same, here's the current list (http://www.nabshow.com/exhibitors/ExhibitorList.asp), perhaps it still needs to be updated.

mmm

01-07-2006, 05:48 AM

Is there actually any EVIDENCE that the Red Project is real.

I can find more evidence to prove the Blair Witch was a real documentary.

I am not saying it is a lie, but want to see some proof before I am taken in.

Graeme_Nattress

01-07-2006, 05:54 AM

mmm

01-07-2006, 06:41 AM

Yes, it's totally real. Proof? Well, Jared wouldn't have this forum if it wasn't real. Jim wouldn't post here about his project if it wasn't real. Chris Hurd wouldn't have his RED forum if it wasn't real. I don't know if you know me, but I do have a reputation, and I can totally assure you this is, of my own personal knowledge, totally real.

Graeme

I wasn't questioning your reputation at all Graeme. As far as I am concerned I trust you above anyone on these forums because you are always rational, unbiased and clearly very knowledgable. HOWEVER, is it possible Jim is winding us all up? A Multi-millionaire who just decided to make the ultimate cinema camera..?

If you know him and have seen the work being done, I take your word that it is all true, but I don't know of Jim or his company enough to believe the hype just because he says it. What is the evidence (apart from what is said online) that the project is real?

BTW I am not claiming any of this is made up, I am just asking for proof so that we know it is real. I'm not trying to knock anyone or anything, just politely (I hope) asking for the proof. :)

Many thanks

Graeme_Nattress

01-07-2006, 06:58 AM

I don't know what proof I can give you, but it's not a wind up. I've met Jim, spoke at length about this project. I've met the engineers behind it, and therefore have personal knowledge that this is real. Do a google on Jim, and read up on his story. He has a real track record of doing everything they said he couldn't do.

Graeme

Erik Olson

01-07-2006, 07:20 AM

Andrew,

I've been playing devil's advocate on the RED project, but for all my questions on feasibility and viability, I do not question that they are indeed working on it. Can Jannard's team create this camera? Certainly. Can they do it at a price that will convert thousands of users from Arriflex, Panavision, Thomson, Sony and Panasonic solutions? That remains to be seen.

I hope this happens - it is exciting that someone is giving it a go!

You said that you married three to five cameras across a 5m x 50m for a live event - I'd like to know what hardware you finally used to do so? Also, how did you get past the divergence issues at variable focal lengths - that was a major stumbling block for us when we tried to seam three cameras for live virtual environments.

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mmm

01-08-2006, 09:38 AM

Graeme_Nattress

01-08-2006, 09:41 AM

That would be telling, wouldn't it.

Graeme

mmm

01-08-2006, 10:34 AM

That would be telling, wouldn't it.

Graeme

:huh:

hmmm... What's your role?

Graeme_Nattress

01-08-2006, 10:37 AM

That would be telling, wouldn't it.

Graeme

Jack_Felis

01-08-2006, 10:44 AM

What would be telling would be telling us what you wouldn't though we thought that you would.

Shawn Murphy

01-08-2006, 11:07 AM

Hey Jim, any offices for the RED line in Washington? I'd gladly leave the Seattle software/IT sector to join any company you're running!

Graeme_Nattress

01-08-2006, 11:42 AM

mmm

01-08-2006, 12:36 PM

I'm helping out with a few things - RAW workflow, software solutions etc. And also, good knowledge of the target users and things like that. I can't really answer any stuff about the tech internals of the camera, but I'm very keen to take on board ideas and things to help make sure the RED camera is totally superb. I 'll be on the booth at NAB 2006, so I'm looking forwards to seeing you all there.

Graeme

Great news. Does it look like there will be compressed/portable capture solutions, I hope so!

...but if all you guys get contracted to Red, who's going to give the unbiased opinions?

Maybe it is part of Jim's plan:)

Jarred Land

01-08-2006, 12:39 PM

Can't believe people are still questioning if this is real.. obviously if its not there are a hellof alot of people involved in this April Fools joke.

As for Think Secret.. 19/20 times as mentioned is way off kilt.. they are usually pretty wrong, and when they are right, its usually only half right.

Graeme_Nattress

01-08-2006, 01:06 PM

But everyone is always biassed. This way, you know my bias.

Graeme

mmm

01-08-2006, 01:37 PM

Can't believe people are still questioning if this is real.. obviously if its not there are a hellof alot of people involved in this April Fools joke.

I think it would take away a lot of doubt if Red had a better website. It has an April Fool's vibe to it.

I believe the project is real, but the website was what gave me most of my doubt.

Jarred Land

01-08-2006, 01:39 PM

well thats what we are for.. A better Red website will come, that is more of a press-release than a website.

im.thatoneguy

01-09-2006, 03:09 PM

I don't think anyone is sudgesting this is some sort of elaborate deceitful scheme, and Jim is going to take all our money and run off to Mexico.

There's just this little battle in all of our heads.

Jarred says it's going to happen.
Graeme says it's going to happen.
But oakleys cost a lot...
But not compared to Cooke Primes....
But still a lot...
And why didn't panasonic make a "red"....
But Canon included HD SDI...
But I can't afford to use it....
But why didn't Sony make a "red" if it's this easy...
Oakleys sure to cost alot....
But Jarred says it's real.

I can't remember a time when top notch technology has been given away at such a discount, things always tend to cost exactly what I expect them to cost, it's tough to break that model.

Graeme_Nattress

01-09-2006, 03:16 PM

melloyello

01-09-2006, 04:05 PM

yeah just look at sony's resistance to putting true 24p on their cameras. I think that sony could figure it out but they are scared that it would take away sales from thier lower end pro cameras like the dsr 450ws. panasonic has these same worries thus no removable lens on the HVX. Red has no upper market to protect, so it can throw all the tech they have into one camera and, i hope, offer it for a competitve price. under 15k would make me sing and dance.

im.thatoneguy

01-09-2006, 05:13 PM

What you're proposing is that Sony and Pansonic are deliberately stalling advanced tech in an extremely competitive market because they're afraid of outselling themselves?

If Red showed up at pansonic's doors with a working production model at 10k dollars retail, you're sudgesting they would buy it but then hide it just to sell more Varicams?

I can understand a company without any obligations to stay in the fight, just skipping one generation and putting all of their energy into the next gen, so that they can release a little earlier with a much better feature set (See Canon H1), but the RED project if they're releasing in a year, sounds like they're trying to release simultaneously as this Gen, only with considerably more advanced technology.

And why wouldn't Canon develop a RED? They don't make anything higher than an H1, so it doesn't seem like a 15k camera would cut into their top tier product line?

This whole thing just feels like Microsoft buying itself into the Console market, only to everyone's astonishment coming out with a 10 ghz super computer on their first at bat. And still making a profit.

I look at the ingredients: 4k cmos, electronics, optics.

I look at a d-20. I see the same specs.
I look at the price, and get confused which part of that list RED was able to cut costs on. I'm not inclined to believe that Arri is marking up the D-20 by thousands of dollars just for the hell of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just perplexed. This is the kind of hair brained, out of sight, bad ass dream I spend 50% of my day dreaming on. I loved the movie Primer :) But I've never actually heard of this approach working.

Jannard

01-09-2006, 06:52 PM

All you have to do is sit back, relax and keep your eyes open.

Jim

myfriendimage

01-09-2006, 07:32 PM

If it were easy, Sony and Pan would do it, but they're scared of bringing the costs down and selling to the masses - it's not their business model.

Why can Jim do it? Good team - no beaurocracy of a large Japanese corporation. Oakleys are not cheap, but they are good value for money - there's a big difference.

Graeme

There not scared. Its good marketing. Would you rather manufacture 10 models of cameras and make 1 million each model, or just come out with one awesome model as good as the last one. Sony can make a camera as good as red, JVC, Panasonic, all those big companies can make a red camera, they are just waiting for the right time, Im sure sony can make 24p cameras, its not that new to them, They do make the incredible f900 series, Panasonic makes increcible varicams, they know how to make innerchangable lenses. No one is scared todo anything they are just added an element to their cameras one step at a time, and each company has its strengths and weakness's.

Besides I think sony, canon, jvc, and panasonic agree with me when I say the consumer hell prosumer has no use for red camera right now, or not enough to make a camera like red right now, its definently a very nice proffesional camera, but not consumer anytime soon.

im.thatoneguy

01-09-2006, 09:03 PM

All you have to do is sit back, relax and keep your eyes open.

Jim

11 months is a long time to resist blinking. :laugh:

Digigenic

01-10-2006, 07:55 AM

11 months? You won't be waiting that long. All will be revealed in 3 months at NAB.

Jannard

01-10-2006, 12:54 PM

GaryinCalifornia

01-10-2006, 01:42 PM

OK, myfriend. Got your point. I hope you will excuse us if we go ahead and build the camera anyway. If we only sell three, that's our problem. You are more than welcome to come check it out at NAB, though. Love to meet you and show you what we are doing.

Jim

Jim, I like your sense of humor... hopefully I'll be able to get to NAB... but if not... I'll keep checking back here...

Gary

myfriendimage

01-10-2006, 03:55 PM

OK, myfriend. Got your point. I hope you will excuse us if we go ahead and build the camera anyway. If we only sell three, that's our problem. You are more than welcome to come check it out at NAB, though. Love to meet you and show you what we are doing.

Jim

Jim what is your drive for this camera, why do you feel its nessiscary to make it?

Isaac_Brody

01-10-2006, 04:21 PM

Jim what is your drive for this camera, why do you feel its nessiscary to make it?

Myfriendimage, Jim made a statement here.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=41360

melloyello

01-10-2006, 05:06 PM

What you're proposing is that Sony and Pansonic are deliberately stalling advanced tech in an extremely competitive market because they're afraid of outselling themselves?
kind of yes. they make more money per sale on the high ticket items so they leverage them. computer companys do it, car companys do it and camera companys do it.

If Red showed up at pansonic's doors with a working production model at 10k dollars retail, you're sudgesting they would buy it but then hide it just to sell more Varicams? no they would call it the new varicam and price it as such

I can understand a company without any obligations to stay in the fight, just skipping one generation and putting all of their energy into the next gen, so that they can release a little earlier with a much better feature set (See Canon H1), but the RED project if they're releasing in a year, sounds like they're trying to release simultaneously as this Gen, only with considerably more advanced technology. yes that sounds about right.

And why wouldn't Canon develop a RED? They don't make anything higher than an H1, so it doesn't seem like a 15k camera would cut into their top tier product line?
you've got me there I would love to see that camera as well.

araujofh

01-11-2006, 05:10 AM

OK, myfriend. Got your point. I hope you will excuse us if we go ahead and build the camera anyway. If we only sell three, that's our problem. You are more than welcome to come check it out at NAB, though. Love to meet you and show you what we are doing.

Jim

I doubt you will sell only three. Do you guys think it's only us who are after this camera? No way! There are a lot of Hollywood sharks reading this forum as well, and you can bet they are watching this camera very closely.

Edit: And you can bet George Lucas and Robert Rodriguez have their eyes wide opened.

Jack_Felis

01-11-2006, 07:50 AM

If it were $20K-25K I would buy one definitely. The Super 35mm 4K resolution would be enough of a reason to overspend for it, even though I'm a college student at the moment, it would just simply carry over to serve the needs of my production company, Babs Do Productions, when I start getting out there.

donatello

01-11-2006, 10:14 AM

IMO RED will be at NAB .. and they will have a BOX ( no insides) that looks like the camera ... in time they will have the insides ... based on todays technology being used in current camera's a 4K HD type camera recording to ?? is going to cost ???? much more then the general supporters of red think (out of their range) based on reactions to cost of HD canon and HVX 200 ..

many have tried before RED to come up with affordable HD camera .. anybody know what happened to the olympus Movie camera ( 12MP CCD's) from 3-4 years ago ?? i believe in the end it came down to cost of data stream ..

Kinetta - yes it's still in the ???? delay stages ... BUT RED does have $$$$ behind it ... maybe RED should join hands kinetta camera THEN at NAB they would have a working camera !!!!