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Emanuel

01-02-2006, 08:27 PM

OK, Anders posted it and we must be grateful (but because his hosting company is complaining, naturally, it's no more available):

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42199&page=2
[1st] HVX200carspassing1080_24p_jpeg
[2nd] HVXskidking60p_Jpeg

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42199&page=4
[3rd] HVXchopper60pgamma_JPEG

For SalaTar, our gratitude, too:

[4th] http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42199&page=3
HVXbamboo108024p.m2T
[attempt] http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42431
mxf- HD 1080i_ConstrainedVBR (but doesn't run on my laptop, so...)

And also for soarprod with three wmv versions but of the same files (two of them @720p):
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=42382

But if this time we cannot beat DVinfo:
LINK (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068) for the first batch
LINK (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57245) for the second and night footage (extremely important above all 'cause the possible comparision with XL-H1 footage from the same source/shooter)

with a TOTAL of 25 files! (10 of them regarding important night footage)

from there
http://www.xtream.ne.jp/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,63/Itemid,68/
where it's possible to see (for registered user accounts) the ratio 24 Mac compatible vs. 2 PC compatible.

Well, why is not possible more than sole 4(!) plus one attempt PC* compatible files available to download? If we are 85% of the dvxuser.com members according Jarred's numbers! OK, it's not Kaku's problem but it is for 85% of the members of this community. And for sure that this footage, specially this night footage could enlight many doubts about noise, artifacts, chroma sample and so on (and not only for the expert ones).

We beg for a special care! It's funny to say it if there is a majority of 85% without access...

Thanks in advance!

* That is for simple laptops not yet DVCPRO-HD ready like wmv or m2t files to VLC, DIVX or any other basic player (OK we would do the acceptable compression discount but for Christ's Sake all the time we deal with 35mm@MPEG-2, so...) and not MXF or other frustrate stuff considering who deals with a normal XP. We are waiting since a long, long time ago and it's frustrating to know that the footage is there but 'cause we haven't the right purchase we are out.

Or maybe, must we buy a Mac to see the Kaku's footage?!...

Haakon

01-02-2006, 08:47 PM

I'm with you on this one, my friend. There has been little to no support for PC users at all.

I'm having to buy a Mac later in the year because of the HVX. There's just no realistic way to use the camera with a PC, regardless of what people might tell you.

Barry_Green

01-02-2006, 09:06 PM

I'm thinking the same way. I don't think Apple's solution is ideal, but by gum it does work end-to-end, and they've had it functional for something like 20 months...

Emanuel

01-02-2006, 09:19 PM

Despite Walter Murch support :laugh: it's not good...at all! I'm not referring Murch's - the Master of the Art of Editing - or even his options, of course...

BTW, and about AVID?

I've read...

LINK (http://www.hdforindies.com/2004/11/conversation-on-proscons-of-avids)

...that «XPress Pro REQUIRES the Mojo hardware to process (play back and edit) DNxHD» - a major HD 10bit codec comparatively 8bit DVCPRO-HD.

Is it so?

Shiloh Arts

01-03-2006, 09:39 AM

We are waiting since a long, long time ago and it's frustrating to know that the footage is there but 'cause we haven't the right purchase we are out.

Or maybe, must we buy a Mac to see the Kaku's footage?!...

I'm running a Dual Quad Mac and I'm having probelms viewing the footage using Quicktime 7.0.3

What's up with that?:undecided

bgundu

01-03-2006, 11:42 AM

I'm running a Dual Quad Mac and I'm having probelms viewing the footage using Quicktime 7.0.3

What's up with that?:undecided

That's wacked! Go do some digging at the Apple support pages for this.

Shiloh Arts

01-03-2006, 02:02 PM

I mean come on! I'm running the best MAC hardware with the recommended latest software and I still can't see this stuff. The only thing I get is audio with a completely white background.:angry:

I don't think anyone thought such incompatability would be an issue once this puppy was released. The funny thing is that the h264 stuff works fine, while everything else craps out! What's the story?:huh:

bgundu

01-03-2006, 02:18 PM

Can you be more specific about what DVCPRO clips have problems? Like I said, there are several topics on the discussion forums at Apple.com.

Here's one:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1050413&#1050413

Haakon

01-03-2006, 03:03 PM

obin

01-03-2006, 03:26 PM

um, Can we GET some PC stuff?? I mean...what gives! Oh, I forgot, Panasonic and Apple have a "marketing Deal" for DVCPRO-HD....

And yet AGAIN the "big boys" wage war over our heads, and we the people loose in the end.

Give me RED or give me DEATH.

vuzz

01-03-2006, 03:51 PM

I'm running a dual 1.8 G5 with only 2 gigs of ram and QT and FCP play the clips perfect.

Emanuel

01-03-2006, 03:58 PM

with only 2 gigs of ram (...) :laugh:

Haakon

01-03-2006, 04:12 PM

um, Can we GET some PC stuff?? I mean...what gives! Oh, I forgot, Panasonic and Apple have a "marketing Deal" for DVCPRO-HD....
You can't really blame Apple for having their act together. Thank goodness SOMEone does. Sony is playing greedy and keeping it from Vegas, and the other PC alternatives just aren't cutting it. I think over the year as the HVX starts to saturate the market, support will improve... but by then I plan to have a feature shot. I'm not waiting around for the PC world to play catch up.

we the people loose in the end.
My helpful signature is right above your post. Please at least pretend to try! :)

Shiloh Arts

01-03-2006, 06:03 PM

It sounds like you just don't have the DVCPROHD codec properly installed. Have you tried viewing the clips in FCP?

I guess this might be what's going on. I've tried importing and opening most of the mov files into Final Cut Express HD (don't have Pro). So this might be the problem, I should have the codec with Final Cut Express HD seeing that it is the HD version.

Thanks for the help by the way.

Brad Johnson

01-03-2006, 09:10 PM

FCE Express HD is only HD in the HDV Intermediate Codec sense of "HD".

You don't actually need FCP (any version) to play the clips (caveat: see below). You just need the little 644kb file in your QT library titled "DVCProHD.component". I took this file off my FCP Pro system and placed it on my wife's old G3 powerbook and the clips all play...a bit slow, but they play. Pull that file out, they don't.

The caveat is that FCP Pro installs that component. I don't know where else one can get it...I feel so frustrated reading over and over about the issues that I wish I could .zip it and post it next to Kaku's files to solve the issue for folks, but I really don't want to hear from Apple's legal team.

Haakon

01-03-2006, 11:56 PM

You don't actually need FCP (any version) to play the clips (caveat: see below). You just need the little 644kb file in your QT library titled "DVCProHD.component".

The caveat is that FCP Pro installs that component.
That's exactly what I thought the problem was. Unfortunately, I'm not a Mac user (yet, anyway), and I don't have any way to access/do anything with those files.

A friend of mine had FCP installed on his system but apparently didn't install that codec the first time around (I'm not sure if it's optional or what), and we couldn't even get the footage to play there (it gave us an error message indicating that the necessary codec was not available).

I wish the companies would just make this stuff readily available... trying to get all of this stuff to run is almost migraine inducing (and they want it to have mass appeal??)

Shiloh Arts

01-04-2006, 07:09 AM

send it to me I dont care about apples legal team

Nice!:grin:

They want to make a big hoopla about one file. So Apple of them. BOOOO! :thumbdown

Shiloh Arts

01-04-2006, 07:14 AM

I wish the companies would just make this stuff readily available... trying to get all of this stuff to run is almost migraine inducing (and they want it to have mass appeal??)

Good point Haakon, that's excatly what I'm saying. How can they expect people to view output footage from this new camera if them haven't (Panny + Apple) provided the gerneal public to view them? Think people...Think. And if this is about money....Stop it (with a russain accent):laugh:

HVXguy

01-04-2006, 07:27 AM

Panasonic's own original HVX demo (shot on a VariCam) says how easy it is to edit. I hope once the camera gets in the hands of people with capable editing set-ups we can get real reports on what is needed. You would think Panasonic or Apple would hire a few smart editor types to work this out?? I am available if Panasonic or Apple need any help!!