New HVX200 Footage - Kaku with production model

[penfever]

Kaku Ito has new HVX200 footage, from the production model. You can get it at http://hvx200.moctel.com/production/Kaku_Ito_www.xtream.ne.jp/ . Let the debates begin!

[Emanuel]

Sorry penfever! I posted it in a wrong thread 'cause you beat Jack with the same info. So, I repeat the appeal: we need an equal PC care to 85% users here on PC side. Is there someone that can transcode to us the Kaku's files?

[mochouinard]

over 6000 download from my server, and not 1 thanks ... :(
a agree a wmv hd video would be great...

[pywl]

Downloading now and Definitely Thank You (x6000) :) !!!

[redindian]

over 6000 download from my server, and not 1 thanks ... :(
a agree a wmv hd video would be great...


I didnt download it (PC Guy) - but a big thanks! :thumbsup:

maybe if you make it a free torrent, it will reduce the load off the server..

[Barry_S]

Thanks Marc, very nice of you to host those big files.

[Emanuel]

PC side but grateful too!

[Andrew Brinkhaus]

Looked great, thanks alot for hosting the files for everyone to view.

[STORYTELLER32]

Downloading now. Thanks much for doing this. Much appreciated!

Just downloaded, but my mac is choking on these files. I need to upgrade desperately.

[ckarcher]

give us a paypal account and I'd gladly send you some $$- your footage is really helping me to better evaluate the camera before i receive it.

[Anders Holck]

Here is the 1080p 24 clip, reverse-telecined and converted into Photo jpeg codec (1920x1080, 24p) for playback on PC and slow mac's: (SORRY MY HOSTING COMPANY IS COMPLAINING, SO THIS IS DOWN FOR NOW)
(It does have more compression noise than the original DVCPRO HD file. But plays smoothly on my old PowerBook)

[STORYTELLER32]

Anders, thanks SO much for doing that. Played fine on my computer, although the movement looked like it was affected. Still you can tell what the footage looks like and it's simply stunning.

Feel free to do that with more files my friend! In your debt!

[Anders Holck]

I'm currently uploading the "HVXskidking60p.mov" clip, which is shot in 60p. But it takes 13 Hours with my slow connection....

[PappasArts]

Wow, i'm very impressed with the latest Kaku clips. The Bamboo clips along with the city shots have a very rich color and texture to them. Very nice. The performance of the HVX200 sofar, is good......

pappas

[MiniMan]

Screen grabs anyone? I'm unable to play any video file on this slow crappy "machine" :(

[Anders Holck]

Here is "HVXchopper60pgamma.mov" converted into PhotoJPEG: (SORRY MY HOSTING COMPANY IS COMPLAINING, SO THIS IS DOWN FOR NOW)

[Stevet]

Salatar, how about tha bamboo footage?

thxs
Steve

[Jim Arthurs]

Thanks Anders, making the PhotoJPGs was very helpful... so much better indication of the actual quality of the originals than WM9 or H264's we've seen before!

As to viewing the files natively on PC, Kaku uploaded a folder of MXF components and I was able to drag them onto DVFilmmaker and FINALLY view some native HVX footage. Sadly, the footage choice was poor (a couple telephoto shots of buildings), and DVFilmmaker expects to see Advanced pulldown (one clip was 60i).

David Newman reported converting via DV Filmmaker to Cineform, but I can't imagine the fielding was correct (based on the fact that Advanced pulldown is required and the clips were not shot that way).

I noticed too much sharpening, giving that "white ring around the dark naked tree branch" effect I hate SO much. Of course that and detail coring are menu items...

Kaku's MXF zip is at his site, registration required...

http://www.xtream.ne.jp/content/blogcategory/48/62/

I do want to thank Kaku for his contributions, I joked a couple months ago that I didn't want to have my first footage from the HVX be Kaku on his bike, and well, here we are. :) He's a stand up guy and I appreciate his spirit.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

[Jim Arthurs]

Here is "HVXchopper60pgamma.mov" converted into PhotoJPEG:]

Just saw this clip... holy moly that's a noisy shot!

I wonder why?... I see "gamma" in the title of the clip, but wow...

If I want film grain I want the option of adding it later in post or naturally through the film-out. ;)

More clips please!

Jim Arthurs

[STORYTELLER32]

Anders, looked great. Thanks so much again-

And thanks again to mochouinard for hosting.

[harlan]

thanks mate

[Stevet]

He mentioned the PhotoJpeg conversion increased the noise.

The chopper scene shows some noise. The car passing scene looks a lot cleaner, so it's hard to tell if it's the camera, or settings (maybe gain), or the conversion process.

Steve

[Stevet]

Actually I just looked at the mov file of the chopper. It had the noise.

Does anyone know the settings which this video was shot?

I'm hoping the gain was cranked.

Steve

[Jim Arthurs]

SalaTar, thanks for the bamboo shot... I don't mind m2t's or WM9. If m2t's are at 25Mb/sec they are very nice... after all, good enough for Sony, JVC, and Canon for their *original* recording...

The bamboo shot looks like something from the same series of test as the chopper. Both are way, way, way too noisy. I mean bad, evil, question my purchase plans noisy. I don't think it's the m2t or photoJPG doing the harm here...

Steve, I'm hoping the gain was cranked as well, and assume a mistake...

Jim Arthurs

[Barry_Green]

Just saw this clip... holy moly that's a noisy shot!

I wonder why?...

Because he cranked the gain up to max to catch the chopper. That's not normal HVX behavior, that's HVX on max gain...

[Barry_Green]

Does anyone know the settings which this video was shot?

I'm hoping the gain was cranked.
It was. On DVInfo he said that he had the ND filtes on and the chopper suddenly appeared, so he cranked up the gain to be able to show the motion of the chopper rotors.

[Stevet]

Thanks Barry... I thought so, I see dvinfo is down so I could not check.

By the way, is the max gain setting 18dB?

Steve

[Anders Holck]

Here is one more clip 60p>24p from kaku's server. Again it's converted to 1280x720 Photo Jpeg for easy playback.

(SORRY MY HOSTING COMPANY IS COMPLAINING, SO THIS IS DOWN FOR NOW)
It's 256 MB.

(For those that haven't seen this clip it's 1:03min of bikeride in slowmotion, sporting both a glimpse of highlight performance, one hand camera technique and skidmarks)

[Danilo Del Tufo]

Thanks Anders Holck for posting the footage! Thanks to you I've seen Kaku's footage!
But I'd really like to see indoor footage, more footage that shows face, human body.
With low light condition or with high light condition. I'm interested with the colours of the skin etc...
Not considering the first really good footage of Hvx200, I must still admit that what I've seen from Canon I really liked. I'm speaking about the footage of the little child, or the family, have you seen that Anders? What do you think about the quality?
I believe it's shoot as Hvx200, without knowledge of the camera, but the quality in that condition it's very filmlike, don't you think?

For the Canon I'm speaking about this footage:
http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/F...cty=US&lang=en

Cheers :)

[Emanuel]

Thanks Anders and SalaTar, too, for your positive answer to our call and needs, so much appreciated... Is it possible to get more PC files to download, please?

[Jarred Land]

thanks anders and salatar.. very cool of you guys.

[Darkline]

yes, thankyou very much for offering these clips to PC users. I'm liking the HVX more and more as footage comes out.

thanks again guys.

[dregenthal]

Here is one more clip 60p>24p from kaku's server. Again it's converted to 1280x720 Photo Jpeg for easy playback.
www.andersholck.com/HVXskidking60p_Jpeg.mov
It's 256 MB.

Downloading now . . . thank you Anders!!!

[Loi Banh]

over 6000 download from my server, and not 1 thanks ... :(
a agree a wmv hd video would be great...
Thanks for generosity for hosting the clips. I've found them to be invaluable. Donation coming your way to help any way I can.

p.s. You should consider hosting the clips on a BitTorrent server.

[FREUDENBERG_FILMS]

Just started downloading so a HUGE THANKS from brisbane, AUSTRALIA..... now to wait for the PAL version

michael

[Emanuel]

now to wait for the PAL versionMore chroma EFFECTIVE resolution with 1440x1080 vs. 1280x1080 (24p/60i for NTSC regions) of the DVCPRO-HD codec?

[Haakon]

Both are way, way, way too noisy. I mean bad, evil, question my purchase plans noisy.
Honestly, if that's +18db worth of gain, that's the most reassuring clip I've seen from the HVX yet. That noise looks the most "film grain-ish" noise I've ever seen from a video camera, and that's pumping out at maximum gain. Did you get to see "Crash" in the theater? Some of the shots in that film are nearly as noisy as that chopper clip. And what's even more reassuring is that I've noticed little to no proliferation of the disgusting compression artifacts that were rampant in the preproduction models (maybe they actually did some worthwhile last minute tweaking after all?), which was really just about my only concern with the HVX footage up until this point. Granted, most of Kaku's clips have been daytime shots (I haven't noticed that any PC-friendly clips of his new "nighttime" stuff have been made available yet), and certainly the most notable instances of that nasty, blocky artifacting were present in the very dark areas of the clips. But either way, the current footage has definitely shown that things are looking up.

[Barry_Green]

Thanks Barry... I thought so, I see dvinfo is down so I could not check.

By the way, is the max gain setting 18dB?

Steve
Yes 18 is possible, but in the same way it was on the DVX -- assigned through a user button rather than on the gain switch.

[Barry_Green]

Both are way, way, way too noisy. I mean bad, evil, question my purchase plans noisy.
The HVX can be so much cleaner than what's being shown though. The first key is in the detail level. I was startled to see what a difference it makes in noise. I mean, we knew about the outline effect obviously, and I knew that on the DVX the detail function makes noise more visible, but man -- it really affects the HVX.

Crank the detail level down to around -5 and things get silky smooth and sweet. Although a higher detail level can lead to a higher perception of sharpness, it's fake; the actual resolving power isn't any higher, yet the effect on noise is. So I'd say that most rational users would want to stick to no more than -3, and probably down around -5 is the sweet spot. -7 is possible, but that may make things a bit too soft.

[Haakon]

For those of you concerned about noise, I invite you to take a look at the Miami Vice HD Trailer now online:

http://www.miamivice.com/media/MiamiVice_T1_720p_8mbit_LTRT_NR.zip

Suddenly even the "chopper" footage doesn't look so out of place...

[Jim Arthurs]

The HVX can be so much cleaner than what's being shown though. The first key is in the detail level..

When I saw the Chopper clip and the other noisy bamboo clip I had only seen a small handful of Kaku's shots, so the "sample percentage" of noisy shots was high. I'm less freaked out now.

It's good to know that about the detail settings. I also agree with Haakon that the grain has a film quality, like seeing mid-80's high speed 16mm in a telecine bay. When I first saw it, I wasn't thinking aesthetics though, only "I can't key that!".

Jim Arthurs

[Rodrigo]

"I can't key that!"

LOL

[Shiloh Arts]

Can some one tell me why I can't view the footage from the site? I'm running it on a dual quad mac with the latest Quicktime.

What am I missing here?


Thanks

[Haakon]

Can some one tell me why I can't view the footage from the site? I'm running it on a dual quad mac with the latest Quicktime.

What am I missing here?


Thanks
You've posted this in four threads now. Please don't spam. People have offered help for you in the "PC Files Petition" topic.

[Emanuel]

Can some one tell me why I can't view the footage from the site? I'm running it on a dual quad mac with the latest Quicktime.People have offered help for you in the "PC Files Petition" topic.:shocked: Mac@everywhere :grin: :thumbup: Shiloh Arts

[r_dahl]

just checked out the cars passing on my mac... fwiw: worked fine. opened up in fcp & looked pretty clean imho.