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Cees Mutsaers
12-17-2005, 03:06 PM
Is it possible to get consensus about the hardware requirements for both PC and MAC to perform NLE with HD footage from the HVX200. What do you minimal need without getting irritated by the speed during edditing.
Cees Mutsaers
12-18-2005, 04:24 PM
Seems like nobody has an opinion about this !!!!!
Sirius_Doggy
12-18-2005, 04:30 PM
PremierePro with the matrox Axio system.
Maybe not the best....but one way.
Cees Mutsaers
12-19-2005, 05:29 AM
Let's say a budget of 5000 Euro without firestore/external HDD. So just the PC/MAC with enough RAM memory, HDD capacity and processing power.
Harris/Leitch altitude
http://www.leitch.com/
is another thought both will be around 30 grand
FCP Mac and a decklink with a xserv..
I think you need to post a budget first..:D
I was wondering for an affordable desktop solution...in the USD5000 range all in:
1) 2.3ghz duel core PPC G5, 2g ram and FCP
or
2) 3.2ghz duel core D840 XPS400 Dell, 2g ram and Avid Xpress Pro
either w/
Either way w the 24" Dell Wide Aspect monitor
Cees Mutsaers
12-20-2005, 12:39 PM
Tim, I second that question. I asume that you want the Dell monitor in either case.
I was wondering for an affordable desktop solution...in the USD5000 range all in:
1) 2.3ghz duel core PPC G5, 2.5g ram and FCP
or
2) 3.2ghz duel core D840 XPS400 Dell, 2.5g ram and Avid Xpress Pro
either w/
-) 24" Dell Wide Aspect monitor
The pricing of these two systems with 2g ram and 1Tb of raid0 HDD, when figuring in the differential on FCP5 vs AvidXprohd, is essentially the same price pt.
g5ppc
$3,554 cpu
$977 dell monitor
$915 FCP5
$5,446 total
xps400
$2,960 cpu
$846 dell monitor
$1,575 Avid Xpress Pro HD
$5,381 total
Editing software aside, I kinda like the Apple G5 simply because it can take 8 ram dimms (bldg 4-6g's w 512's is a heck of a lot cheaper than w 1g's or 2g's, and ultimately you can really turn it up as need arises for the future).
I guess the real Q is one of FCP vs Avid. The jury does seem to be out on that. But I will say that the integration of Apple, and the fact that FCP STUDIO gives alot of extra tools at still $400 cheaper than Avid ($1175 vs $1575), are pluses.
So, pending the software conundrum, I'm leaning toward the Apple solution.
[Note, though I'd love to go with a 17" Powerbook...I just can't justify the value pt given it's so much less processor and scaleability on ram.]
doccutter
12-20-2005, 02:57 PM
The dell monitor is available for cheaper than 977, just look around for deals. Also keep in mind that there are discounts, such as educational discounts, that bring the Quad to 2,999 + RAM.
that was for the duel core 2.3ghz ($2499) with 1TB in drives (+$875) and 2g RAM (+$100 upgrade to 512x2 from apple and adding +$80 512x2 from online vendor) = $3,554 figuring at least avoiding tax from a reseller online...but perhaps that might come down a couple hundred $s more. all the better.
on the monitor...yes, i need a coupon!! :)
brianluce
12-21-2005, 02:53 AM
do you need dual core? i have a 3.0 p4 hyperthread. will it work? i've got edius 3.0 on a storm I.
Cees Mutsaers
12-22-2005, 12:17 PM
Tim, why not wait for the IBM powered macs? shouldn't they supposed to be faster? or is a quad more than enough?
that was for the duel core 2.3ghz ($2499) with 1TB in drives (+$875) and 2g RAM (+$100 upgrade to 512x2 from apple and adding +$80 512x2 from online vendor) = $3,554 figuring at least avoiding tax from a reseller online...but perhaps that might come down a couple hundred $s more. all the better.
on the monitor...yes, i need a coupon!! :)
Cees Mutsaers
12-22-2005, 12:17 PM
Tim, why not wait for the IBM powered macs? shouldn't they supposed to be faster? or is a quad more than enough?
that was for the duel core 2.3ghz ($2499) with 1TB in drives (+$875) and 2g RAM (+$100 upgrade to 512x2 from apple and adding +$80 512x2 from online vendor) = $3,554 figuring at least avoiding tax from a reseller online...but perhaps that might come down a couple hundred $s more. all the better.
on the monitor...yes, i need a coupon!! :)
Cees Mutsaers
12-22-2005, 12:18 PM
Tim, why not wait for the IBM powered macs? shouldn't they supposed to be faster? or is a quad more than enough?
that was for the duel core 2.3ghz ($2499) with 1TB in drives (+$875) and 2g RAM (+$100 upgrade to 512x2 from apple and adding +$80 512x2 from online vendor) = $3,554 figuring at least avoiding tax from a reseller online...but perhaps that might come down a couple hundred $s more. all the better.
on the monitor...yes, i need a coupon!! :)
Cees Mutsaers
12-22-2005, 12:18 PM
Tim, why not wait for the IBM powered macs? shouldn't they supposed to be faster? or is a quad more than enough?
that was for the duel core 2.3ghz ($2499) with 1TB in drives (+$875) and 2g RAM (+$100 upgrade to 512x2 from apple and adding +$80 512x2 from online vendor) = $3,554 figuring at least avoiding tax from a reseller online...but perhaps that might come down a couple hundred $s more. all the better.
on the monitor...yes, i need a coupon!! :)
esperman
12-22-2005, 01:19 PM
The G5 are IBM processors. I would favor a G5 over a Intel Powermac...at least until the software code has been rewritten for intel.
Cees Mutsaers
12-24-2005, 10:58 AM
oeps something went wrong. Ok I meant INTEL Macs.
jazzx
12-24-2005, 12:26 PM
I kinda like the Apple G5 simply because it can take 8 ram dimms
Well how about that? HP xw9300: Dual Core Dual Opteron 280 16gb or RAM
http://digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=35560&afterinter=true
And that? Mac vs. PC VI: Boxx 7400 Dual Opteron 275 Workstation 16gb or RAM
http://digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=32951
I'm sure that in my view you have a lot better options than Mac or Intel, if Final Cut or OSX isn't the main thing you're looking for.
Cees Mutsaers
12-25-2005, 04:03 PM
still confused what NLE suits DVCproHD best when using a windows PC
Andreas
12-26-2005, 03:44 AM
You should ! Cause no one has the HVX200 yet to test it ! With all the respect, barry and everyone else that had that privilege does not come with SIMPLE CLEAR anwsers when it comes to reality matters, probably cause they don't know either. In my opinion we all going to face major problems when we buy HVX200 and we end up shooting in DV codec until we can find a way and solve those problems with non expensive ways.
example : look what I ask and never get - or able to find a simple clear anwser-information. Adobe doesn't provide, Canopus doesn't provide, microsoft doesn't provide and of caurse panasonic and our friends here at dvxuser doesnt provide useful information about those simple things. :
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?p=383329#post383329
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=41424
baquajim
12-26-2005, 05:58 AM
Andreas - Canopus Broadcast supports DVCPRO HD. You need the latest software version (which is the "Broadcast") to edit with the HVX 200
Avid Express Pro HD will edit it.
Final Cut Pro will edit it.
With Premiere, right now you would need to purchase the new version of DV Filmmaker when it comes out. It will convert the MXF files into Avi files.
I don't know if this involves decompressing or recompressing as my knowledge of what is actually going on is limited, but I assume you will at least need twice as much disk space since you are essentially duplicating all of your footage.
baquajim
12-26-2005, 06:01 AM
BTW - all of this info is on the Panasonic website. The brochure lists the editing software that is compatible right now.
There are white papers/flowcharts describing possible workflows as well.
Andreas
12-26-2005, 06:33 AM
Thanks baquajim. And again this forums is great ! But is a dawm peety that we HAVE to suport at each other for information that should be given to us from the companys. For example I must correct your post (probably I am wrong) that the dv filmaker sofware has to do mainly with the NTSC 24p puldown and not with the 25p PAL. so it is not a programm that is a general neccesety for all HVX200 user that wants to use NLE. A am afraid that Panasonic and Canopus only refere to hardware systems that are dedicated for NLE with the use of Avid, Premiere etc and not our familiar PC/Mac that most of us alwready own. As for Canopus Broadcast... thanks for the info, but I really dont know what that is. There is not such thing in their website. I only found Pro coder station wich is for Broadcast, but again in the specs it only says that has Full HD Video suport, and mentions DVCPRo without even puting the HD mark next to it. Go figure...
Cees Mutsaers
12-26-2005, 07:13 AM
But which of the pc NLE software (Canopus Broadcast or
Avid Express Pro HD ) supports the DVCproHD format best? Probably fcp is the best but I don't want to jump to a mac since I want to stay compatible with all the other software I have and a MAC is more expensive than a pc (or am I wrong in that latest statement?). Moreover I am not clear which Mac system has enough processing power to support DVCproHD in a relaxed way.
Andreas - Canopus Broadcast supports DVCPRO HD. You need the latest software version (which is the "Broadcast") to edit with the HVX 200
Avid Express Pro HD will edit it.
Final Cut Pro will edit it.
With Premiere, right now you would need to purchase the new version of DV Filmmaker when it comes out. It will convert the MXF files into Avi files.
I don't know if this involves decompressing or recompressing as my knowledge of what is actually going on is limited, but I assume you will at least need twice as much disk space since you are essentially duplicating all of your footage.
Spartacus
12-26-2005, 07:33 AM
when apple gets intel inside,
i will finally change plattforms.
FCP is IMHO the most versatile editing app out there, at least when it comes to bang for bucks...
mac is pricey, but a loaded dell or hp is too
and esperman:
as far as i know, the mac OS has been prepared for the intel change long ago, so i guess besides the usuall bugs of any new OS it should be ready to go...
esperman
12-26-2005, 07:57 AM
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first. The G5 is a better design than the P4..we'll see what exact processor apple upgrades to.
skyonic
12-26-2005, 08:21 AM
Canopus only refere to hardware systems that are dedicated for NLE ...
NO need for any hardware with edius broadcast...
As for Canopus Broadcast... thanks for the info, but I really dont know what that is. There is not such thing in their website. ...
http://www.canopus.com/products/EDIUSBroadcast/index.php
JackFoley
12-26-2005, 08:32 AM
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first.
I don't think so. They just need to re-compile it for the Intel processors with the latest X-Code and do some minor patches. I am sure they will do this when the first Intel-based boxes are released.
So we will be able to use the full Intel power from the start. Btw. I don't understand people who buy a new Mac now. In 6 months they will get boxes which are at least twice or 3 times as fast for the same money :evil:
mcshyd
12-26-2005, 08:38 AM
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first. The G5 is a better design than the P4..we'll see what exact processor apple upgrades to.
yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.
wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
Andreas
12-26-2005, 08:41 AM
skyonic: Yes, but this is a complete NLE software. Canopus ProCoderStation suppose to work as a plug in that suports NLE with other platforms as well. Does this software do the same thing also or you are stick with it. For instance if I want to work with Premiere I have first to capture my footage with Edius Broadcast and then transcode it in a codec that premiere understands ? And before I lose my mind completely, does any one know the step by step prossedure for using my 3ghz 2gb ram Raid0 PC laptop instead of P2 and then edit in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5
BTW it seems that from what I read: Edius Broadcast is the answer to the above question. But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
Spartacus
12-26-2005, 08:52 AM
yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.
wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
hehehehehe...
i really couldnŽt care less about what plattform iŽm on, iŽll take what`s easy to use, affordable and gets the job done...
jazzx
12-26-2005, 08:57 AM
But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
No, all indications show that Adobe Premiere 2.0 will support the HVX (DVCPROHD) as it did with the DVX, so don't rush into conclusions.
And something else, don' t expect definite answers from Barry, Jarred etc. because there are alot of solutions out there and I guess they don't want to advertise + it's too tiresome to try and pursuade all the time. Apply some patience and it will all come clear to each one of us, as to what is best for our budget\needs etc. Remember the camera isn't even out yet!
Cheers.
OliverM
12-26-2005, 10:59 AM
For the money you have to part with, FCP is the best choice for me. Works with anything from DV to uncompressed. You simply add hardware for the real high end work. But it'll do DVCPRO like a charm (has done for years now). And FCP has improved a LOT over the last two editions. But while your at it, get the studio package. You get possibilities you'd never dreamt of. Soundtrack 2 is awesome for sound editing. And DVD studio pro is one of the very best I worked with.
I read here somewhere that macs are expensive. Well, yes and no. You pay for things other than the machine aswell. The os, the free apps, etc. And their marketshare is quite small. But in general they are very well ingeneerd computers and since they make apps and hardware themselves things just, uhm... work!
Anyhow, enough propaganda for the time being... :)
baquajim
12-26-2005, 12:27 PM
But which of the pc NLE software (Canopus Broadcast or
Avid Express Pro HD ) supports the DVCproHD format best? Probably fcp is the best but I don't want to jump to a mac since I want to stay compatible with all the other software I have and a MAC is more expensive than a pc (or am I wrong in that latest statement?). Moreover I am not clear which Mac system has enough processing power to support DVCproHD in a relaxed way.
Based on what you say, I would stay with PC and use Avid Express Pro HD. But this is just my opinion. I would use it because I haven't heard a lot of bad things about it. It has worked with DVC Pro for some time now, it has a pretty decent built in color corrector and it is based on a very popular platform: Avid.
Barry_Green
12-26-2005, 12:41 PM
But which of the pc NLE software (Canopus Broadcast or
Avid Express Pro HD ) supports the DVCproHD format best?
Canopus. It has the tightest integration with MXF files.
Cees Mutsaers
12-26-2005, 12:43 PM
What about the Avid liquid series???? Is it DVCpro compatible? What is the difference with Avid Express Pro HD?
Based on what you say, I would stay with PC and use Avid Express Pro HD. But this is just my opinion. I would use it because I haven't heard a lot of bad things about it. It has worked with DVC Pro for some time now, it has a pretty decent built in color corrector and it is based on a very popular platform: Avid.
Barry_Green
12-26-2005, 12:44 PM
And before I lose my mind completely, does any one know the step by step prossedure for using my 3ghz 2gb ram Raid0 PC laptop instead of P2 and then edit in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5
Yes. Step 1: lose your mind. That'll probably be easier and more efficient than trying to edit in Premiere Pro 1.5.
Seriously, after facing the workaround issue with Vegas, I would say to completely cross off your list any NLE that doesn't provide native support. If Vegas announces native support, then great, it becomes an option again. If Premiere Pro 2.0 announces native support, it becomes an option again.
But without native support, they are not worth even considering.
BTW it seems that from what I read: Edius Broadcast is the answer to the above question. But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
Correct. Canopus Edius Broadcast would completely replace Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 in that scenario.
Andreas
12-26-2005, 01:37 PM
Well done Barry :) That IS a straight forward answer. Hearing it from you it is also valid and not a speculation. And please put this information to the HVX FAQ since it is primary concern to anyone willing to buy this camera.
esperman
12-26-2005, 02:17 PM
yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.
wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
Read the post. I said G5 is better than P4. And so is AMD. Why do you think the next generation of intel is based from P3?
Think any mac will have a P4? No way.
IBM is doing fine with powerpc..look at XBOX and playstation. They are not concerned with heat and low wattage...and that is why apple will switch. Apple makes more $$ with laptops. Intel is smart move...for now.
But don't look for a centrino in a powermac.
stephenlnoe
12-26-2005, 06:21 PM
What about the Avid liquid series???? Is it DVCpro compatible? What is the difference with Avid Express Pro HD?
You'll have the SD aspect of the camera whipped but not the HD aspect. Liquid will ingest DVCPro50 and work with it directly in MXF but not DVCProHD.
Edius is it for now until maybe NAB '06.
AppliedVisual
12-27-2005, 10:57 AM
Liquid also has very little support, actually nothing worth while, in terms of working with 24p.
As of now, the only two solutions that are really worth considering are XPress Pro HD and Edius Broadcast. FWIW, I'm still holding out until my HVX is ready to ship to me (perhaps Vegas will come through, but I doubt it). But if I had to buy today, I would go with Avid... There's a lot more industry support for Avid tools and they are working to improve their MXF support. After trying the Edius Pro demo and spending some time with XPress Pro at a local dealer, I find that I much prefer the Avid interface and workflow -- much more intuitive to me. Besides, Edius is lacking a lot of features that I took for granted with Vegas. If you're doing more than simple cuts and need extensive masking options and more third party tool options, Avid is the way to go. But Edius still looks like a winner to me and it will suit many people just fine. I think Edius also seems a bit more responsive and efficeint than Xpress Pro, but the downloadable demo didn't let me work with any HD footage for comparison. That and my workstation here I used for testing Edius is a lot more powerful than the in-store box I demoed Avid on. So still to early to make that call I think...
Does anybody know if it would be a problem to capture on a pc laptop in the field and then bring into FCP on a G5 for editing and how that workflow might...uh...flow?
I'm flip flopping between going FCP/Apple and Avid/PC on the NLE...but this is an outstanding issue that I need to resolve before being able to make a decision.
esperman
12-31-2005, 11:16 AM
FCP can edit avi, mpeg 2 hdv and everything else....
So - back to the 64k Q. PC/Avidxpressprohd or Apple/FCPstudio, assuming same performance of the systems at $1,000 cheaper for the PC?
Any opinions (for a past linear film and video editor interested in mostly short to medium documentary projects in 1080 and 720 24p, not for outside clients) as to which NLE is the better fit?
I've heard that Avid is a bit more industry standard, and seems a little more intuitive to the old days of linear. But is FCP more up to speed with 1080p? Any ruminations would be appreciated.
Avid vs. Apple vs. Edius
I never thought I would see the day … I am basically a “dyed-in-the-wool” windows guy. My current set-up includes several P4 XP boxes networked together running Avid Xpress Pro, Vegas, Digital Fusion, and Combustion. However, today, the last day of the year, (just in time for the write-off), I took the plunge.
I am now looking at a sleek silver G5 Quad with 5 gigs of ram, and the Apple Store said they would have my copy of Final Cut Pro Studio out to me early next week. As I said, I thought I’d never see the day.
With my HVX 200 on order, I had to decide whether to upgrade to Xpress Pro HD, (and either build or buy an “Avid approved” box), or experiment with Edius Broadcast, or to bite the Apple and “go over to the dark side.”
From an immediate $$ standpoint, upgrading the Avid to Xpress Pro HD should have been a “no-brainer.” However, my current XP boxes were not equipped to run Xpress Pro HD, so that would require either building a new box or purchasing an “Avid approved” computer. (Avid approved boxes are not cheap.) Actually, I really didn’t have a problem with any of that, what threw me for a loop was the fact that after doing all of that, it seems that Xpress Pro HD may have no way to externally monitor HD unless you feed a fire wire signal out to something like a Panasonic AJ-1200A DVCPRO HD deck (or alternatively go with an Avid Adrenaline with a HD expansion card). Remember Mojo is standard def only, and from what I have been able to tell, it doesn’t appear that the HVX 200 will allow HD pass-thru monitoring of the time line … and even if it does … who wants to tie up their camera as a link in the monitoring chain?
Edius looked intriguing and they may have a real winner if it is MXF native as billed. However, from what I have read (and seen at NAB) the interface could take some getting used to and there is little or no third party plug-in support. I think the jury is still out on Edius, and I need something NOW and something that is proven and a known entity.
That left me with Apple and FCP. When I added it all up, it just made sense at this time to “jump ship” and go with something that is increasingly becoming an “industry standard.” (And I don’t mean to start an Avid vs. FCP war … I edit on an Avid … I love it.) However, I get the feeling that right now there is a tighter degree of integration with Panasonic/DVCPRO HD and Apple. The same is true with third party hardware vendors, i.e., Kona & Decklink. (I’ll be ordering a Multi Bridge Extreme next week.) I am certainly no FCP expert, but I understand that it can handle pretty much anything you can throw at it. Like Avid, FCP has a fantastic community of users and there are numerous third party plug-ins written for the app. The Studio bundle seems to have just about everything that I will need, and hopefully I should be able to slide the files across the network and still do any compositing or finishing work in Fusion or Combustion.
I already have one 24’ Dell LCD monitor and as soon as I see another coupon, I’ll get another for HD preview.
It is a brave new world for me. 2006 should be fun. Happy New Year!
Opcode
12-31-2005, 10:32 PM
I hear ya. I just got my very first mac ever, and so far it's an amazing system. G5 Quad with 4Gb ram, Konah Lhe, Nvidia Quadro 4500, 2Tb Sata Raid, 30" Cinemadisplay, FCP Studio.
I switched just for FCP Studio suite. I never touched vegas so I don't know any better. Once I had a chance to work on FCP that was it.
I'm just missing a JVC 19" HD monitor and of course my HVX which hopefully will come in next week. I've got plenty of learning to do in the meantime but the os seems very straightforward.
Of course I'll probably never let my PC's go. I'm still using Maya and Digital Fusion on my PC workstation but I'm really tempted to get Shake for the mac now.
mcshyd
01-01-2006, 03:18 AM
you have nothing to offer... you're that guy in fiction class who keeps talking about raymond carver like he's your homeboy.
I hear ya. I just got my first cup of coffee ever, and so far it's an amazing cup of coffee. hand steeped with 2 spoons of sugar, cup cover, cap, napkin.
I switched from matte latte's to coffee. i never touched sudafed so i don't know any better. Once i had a chance to taste coffee that was it.
I'm just missing a thermos and of course my cup cozy which hopefully will come in next week. I've got plenty of learning to do in the meantime but drinking coffee seems very straight forward.
Of course I'll probably never let my green tea set go. I'm still using herbal and black tea's but I'm really tempted to get a French Press for the coffee now.
:beer:
Cees Mutsaers
01-01-2006, 11:33 AM
What did yoy pay for this set-up?
[QUOTE=Opcode]I hear ya. I just got my very first mac ever, and so far it's an amazing system. G5 Quad with 4Gb ram, Konah Lhe, Nvidia Quadro 4500, 2Tb Sata Raid, 30" Cinemadisplay, FCP Studio.
Quad G5-w-5GB of ram, 250GB hard drive, GeForce 6600: $3,600.00 out the door. DeckLink Multibridge Extreme: $2,385.00 (on order). Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on G Raids?
I second the question re opinion on the raid array...
A) Better to config the G5 with just a 250g system drive and then have the storage raided outside I take is the concensus? And if so, what specs and optiosn?
b) Or do a Tb of two internal raided drives and then just pull stuff off to non-raided hdd external drives as needed to keep your internal project space freed up?
Opcode
01-01-2006, 04:43 PM
Is mcshyd taking a jab at me? Clever...but I don't drink coffee :cheesy: Sorry for not offering anything and not meeting your criteria for a valid post....I was trying to say I made the switch for to the other side for FCP and HVX, and went whole hog.
The system was roughly $15,000 and it was put together by a var. I say roughly because I paid more than that for some miscellaneous crap like audio system/mixer and support.
I think the conensus is that you have external array for your media drives and keep your project on your internal regular drives. This keeps things nice and clean. With a quad system and going raid, you are stuck with very limited options as far as raids go if you stick with SATA, I believe there is only one controller available that is PCIe and that's the one by HiPoint. If you got serious change, than SCSI or fiber channel but that's overkill for most of us. But maybe someone can chime in, I'm still learning this stuff as I go.
HVXguy
01-02-2006, 06:38 AM
Ignore it, I did. Anyway, this is good info for us PC users who are ready to make a switch.
Thanks
esperman
01-02-2006, 07:32 AM
Ignore it, I did. Anyway, this is good info for us PC users who are ready to make a switch.
Thanks
Forget about the switch hype.....my 5 amd 64's get along fine next to my G5.
They are just tools..not a lifestyle.
Having said that...FCP is sweet.
In case anyone is interested, Amazon has a $200.00 rebate coupon on G5 Quads. It brings the price down to $3,099.00. See:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009U7YHI/104-1516604-8888762?n=541966