World Exclusive First HVX200 Footage..PART 2

[Jarred Land]

Hey.. just a continuation.

But now we have some real 1080 footage:

http://www.dvxuser3.com/hvx/

mirror:

http://www.ramgate.com/

Thank you Flying Pig Ranch for hosting the files.


have fun :)

MIRRORS:



All of the footage, with screen grabs from H264 (compressed),, big thanks to Mikko!

http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/


http://tinyurl.com/72eh5 Thanks Projx!


http://www.salatar.com/hvx200 Thanks SalaTar!

1080 WMV
http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/hvx_1080-24p_demo_footage.wmv Thanks Stickypod!!

720 H264
http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/720_h264.mov
.

[JackFoley]

Cool! The best footage so far. The DOF is impressive.

But still, there is some edge enhancement going on (look at the stones on the ground of the car szene) that gives a little "video-ish" look. But I'm sure one can turn it down via menu settings.

The guitar szene is breath taking. Also the closeups. Nothing more to add. ;)

[soarprod]

HAHA I now know why I suddenly woke up about 5min ago - thanks for the WMV instead of h264 Jarred.

[Jarred Land]

no problem.... thank Barry, he was up till 3am making it.

[safarijoe]

HAHA I now know why I suddenly woke up about 5min ago - thanks for the WMV instead of h264 Jarred.
Ditto! That was amazing !:thumbsup:

[Daniel Skubal]

WOOAHHH! Downloading right now!

[Isaac_Brody]

Whoa.. :shocked:

That looks awesome. Thanks a lot Jarred and Barry.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :laugh: :) :laugh: :grin: :beer: :thumbup:

[Jarred Land]

I love it when things get better.. and remember, you guys still are seeing a compressed version of this.. the Native 1080 file looks drop dead gorgeous.

[Daniel Skubal]

That is incredible! The light and color are incredible, not to mention the clarity! Film out is going to rock

[Ernest_Acosta]

Jarrod, thanks for the Windows file. It looks good. Did you use a 35mm adapter to get that shallow depth of field? Or is it just the camera (via techniques)? Also any word on an HD Rack for the HVX?

[Isaac_Brody]

Start the revolution. :evil:

[insanityfw]

I haven't seen this version yet, but I wanted to say THANK YOU to Jarred and Barry. You guys truly are amazing....and I mean the kind of amazing where you're so amazing that you don't have to say it yourself, because it's just a given :) :)

Thanks again guys for this wonderful place to hang out and learn.

[Rodrigo]

the 1080p file is everything we could dream of....

thx barry and jared

[Hectorxd]

thanks for the hard work. I wanted to get in on this thread before it reached 40+ pages like the other one.. 2nd page. woo woo

[Luis Caffesse]

I just got to see the 1080 footage.
Wow.

That is absolutely beautiful.
I'm sold.

[ProjX v2.0]

digitalfilmmaker posted in another thread about his blog video. It's a nice little video covering the events of yesterday at DVExpo which includes some shots of Barry and Jan at work and even displays showing that HVX Moviola video.

Pretty cool to see for the lot of us that aren't able to attend.

http://beatboxgiant.blogspot.com/2005/12/kents-video-journal-ep-9-hvx200.html

[khmuse]

This is very impressive footage to say the least!

Off to the show today to see first hand.

[Jarred Land]

Jarrod, thanks for the Windows file. It looks good. Did you use a 35mm adapter to get that shallow depth of field? Or is it just the camera (via techniques)? Also any word on an HD Rack for the HVX?

baby.. that is straight outta the camera. :)

[Benton]

edit: J replied above

Dang

[Chris Messineo]

This new footage is drop dead gorgeous.

I can't get this camera soon enough.

Thanks again Barry and Jarred for getting it to us so fast.

Chris

[Ralph Oshiro]

I saw this footage at the show. Whomever DP'd that (Jarred?) really knows what they're doing. Beautiful lighting and camera work. Excellent job!

[Jarred Land]

wasnt me.. that was our pool of the best DP's in the West... Me and Barry realized we are better standing and looking at the camera then getting behind it so we got the pros in. Barry and me just stood beside the DP and swore at each other all day.

[soarprod]

Looking on my Dell 24, I can see where the footage starts to drop in quality - when I played the clip on my 1280x800 laptop, it looked much better. Can't wait to see the real DVCPROHD footage today.

[Justin_Kirch]

that was definitely the best footage we have seen yet. i wish i had a better computer to view it on!.

[Mr.Wrock]

Both video's didn't play back well for me on my 15 Powerbook? It skipped around with no sound. Maybe I should try and view them on my Power Mac G5?

[OliverM]

First off all, thanks guys. This is what everyone has been waiting for, and waiting for, and... Well, we've all been there.
But since I'm in Europe and can't see any real DVCPROHD footage, I'm looking even more forward to the time I will be able to. That stuff oughta blow our socks off. :)
So please god someone post some xmf files. Even just seconds... :)

[Justin_Kirch]

Both video's didn't play back well for me on my 15 Powerbook? It skipped around with no sound. Maybe I should try and view them on my Power Mac G5?


haha, i got no sound on every single clipped that's been dl'ed! lol.....i didn't care, because i was looking for the image quality anyways.

[ronik15]

Apple Power Mac Dual 2GHz Processor with 2gb of ram and the video still lag at 50% view and 100%. Is it because I've Windows Media Player on mac or it would do the same thing if it was compressed with H.264?

[Luis Caffesse]

Apple Power Mac Dual 2GHz Processor with 2gb of ram and the video still lag at 50% view and 100%. Is it because I've Windows Media Player on mac or it would do the same thing if it was compressed with H.264?


I"m getting the same on a dual 2.7 with 2gb of ram.
Kinda surprised me.

Looks gorgeous though!!
Straight out of the camera.... DAMN!

EDITED TO ADD:
It's actually lagging on ANY view size.
Is anyone able to play this video smoothly?

[insanityfw]

Apple Power Mac Dual 2GHz Processor with 2gb of ram and the video still lag at 50% view and 100%. Is it because I've Windows Media Player on mac or it would do the same thing if it was compressed with H.264?


I've got almost the same system and it's doing the same thing. Looks great though.

[Ernest_Acosta]

Thanks Jarrod. I'm selling my DVX after I get the heads cleaned. Still would like to see a HD Rack for the HVX. I think we really need to educate ourselves regarding shooting HD. The ball is in our court to create beautiful images and convey emotions.

[wabbit]

Truely gorgeous. Although my download didn't have any audio...what up with that? :grin: jk

Did you guys get a chance to shoot some res and color charts while you had the HVX?

Cheers

[ProjX v2.0]

Guys, I don't think there was sound even encoded into the clips at all. I'm pretty sure this is all raw footage not some cut up production that's already been put together.

[jonahlee]

Yea plays back horribly on my mac. The stills look great, but my Dual 2.7Ghz Mac with 3.5 Gigs of RAM, and an X800 video card can barely play it back. Oh well.

[OliverM]

I had the same thing with the WMV-file and the 1080 file in H.264.
They where a bit jumpy. But even then they looked good!
BUt both H.264 and WMV-hd are processor based codecs, so it chokes quite easely on heavy stuff like this.

[Luis Caffesse]

Any idea when we'll get some 60fps slow-mo footage?
THAT is what I'm really waiting for...

[esperman]

Yea plays back horribly on my mac. The stills look great, but my Dual 2.7Ghz Mac with 3.5 Gigs of RAM, and an X800 video card can barely play it back. Oh well.

THATS WEIRD..MY DUAL 2.7 WITH 2.5 GIGS PLAYS FINE.
HMM...

[Luis Caffesse]

BUt both H.264 and WMV-hd are processor based codecs, so it chokes quite easely on heavy stuff like this.


Hmmm, maybe it's time for me to seriously look at the dual 2.5Ghz dualcore G5.
:thumbsup:


Yeah, like I needed an excuse!

[OliverM]

That and windows media on a mac sucks...
XMF files that I could import in FCP however. They should be just fine. :)

Allright, I'll stop whining for a bit.

[esperman]

DONT SWEAT IT...NATIVE CODEC WILL WORK FINE ON THE G5...DON'T HAVE ANY NIGHTMARES!! lol

[Luis Caffesse]

DONT SWEAT IT...NATIVE CODEC WILL WORK FINE ON THE G5...DON'T HAVE ANY NIGHTMARES!! lol

No nightmares here....just dreams of a quad system.
:)

[OliverM]

No nightmares here....just dreams of a quad system.
:)

Those are no nightmares indeed :thumbsup:

[esperman]

LOL. save your money and get a good HD CRT!!!:)

[OliverM]

Hm, for the times I will actually need to do HD work I'll rent one for now...

[Barra]

WOW THAT LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!! Although I'm in an internet cafe and the computer wont play back properly I can see it beautifully WOW:shocked:

[mishmash]

Actually, the native clip, "1080_native" (417,5 mb) of that cheezy bar-scene works like a charm on a pb 15" 1,25 ghz 1 gig ram both in QT and in FCP...AMAzing.
Seems like they have put away that clip from the server now though. Hmm...mayby it wasn't meant for us yet... :)

[Don Tucci]

Thanks WOW just beautiful what an immage.Don

[OliverM]

You saw native footage? Lucky b*st*rd! :)

[mishmash]

hehe..and i had to register just to say it! :) oh well... It takes a smoothrunning HD-clip to speak out!

[OliverM]

You could send it to me in attatchment...
lol

[ProjX v2.0]

mishmash, check your pm's :thumbsup:

[Jim Arthurs]

EDITED TO ADD:
It's actually lagging on ANY view size.
Is anyone able to play this video smoothly?

Yes.

One of my render boxes, an 800 dollar PentiumD 3.0, not even using a separate video card, just the video chipset included for cheap loosers on the motherboard.
Everything, QT, WM9, M2T's from the other cams, no stagger at any size of frame rate.

FYI, my dual 3.0 Xeon chokes a bit on the H264 stuff...

Jim Arthurs

[murraja]

To quote a mindless, blonde, heiress: "That's Hot!!"

Thanks again to Jarred & Barry for doing what they do best.

The 720 & 1080 footage is pretty remarkable for just "out of camera", and compressed. I'd love to be there to see the output to monitor, but the clips are a great way to share!

[Jaime Valles]

Unreal. Absolutely unreal. Can't wait to see actual DVCProHD 1080/24p footage on a Samsung 80" Plasma 1080p HDTV to see it in it's full glory!

PS- Has anyone been to the Samsung store in the Time Warner building in NYC? That 80" Plasma is the most breathtaking thing I've ever seen! Sadly, it only costs around $40,000!!!

[Shaw]

Wow, that's absolutely fantastic footage.

[angrynerdrock07]

Looks like I'm going to have to start knocking up 7 eleven's so I can buy this thing. But WOW. The 1080 looks amazing!

The video is lagging real bad on my Dual 2.3 as well, but I got the idea. Face it guys, Windows Media Player on the Mac just plain sucks.

[mikkowilson]

Just a quick head's up.. I also have this footage copied over ot my mirror at http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/

Thanks for the AWSOMELY BEAUTIFULL footage guys!

- Mikko

[murraja]

"PS- Has anyone been to the Samsung store in the Time Warner building in NYC? That 80" Plasma is the most breathtaking thing I've ever seen! Sadly, it only costs around $40,000!!!"

jrv3034 - I've seen that 80" bad boy @ TWC. Incredible!! I just wanted to grab it and run out of the store! After the HVX purchase, I'll have to save more lunch money to get that baby. :laugh:

[IncMedia]

Three Cheers to Panasonic.

Hip Hip

[mikkowilson]

horay!

[Shaw]

Out of curiosity has an uncompressed screengrab from either 720 or 1080 been posted? I'd love to take it into photoshop and play around with it. Zoom in, look at the details up close etc. That would also give us a (rather rough) taste of what you guys over there are seeing.

[Toaster]

Amazing! How did you get a shot of the IROC Z28? I thought they were hunted down and destroyed in the 80's!!!

Super crisp images. Thanks for all your hard work guys ... like everyone else has been saying: this site is an invaluable resourse.

Spanks Bruvas!

[Neopics]

Jarred, I guess this site will need to be renamed "hvxuser" pretty soon. Seems a major paradigm shift is unfolding.

[skettalee]

Hmm, i dont get it. The quality looks pretty nice yes, but every single file I tried to dl and play was choppy as hell the whole time. Is that just me? I tried other video files and everything plays great and smooth but not this HVX stuff. HELP!

[Digigenic]

Jarred and Barry,
Could you guys please share the lighting set ups for each of these shots?
If possible, I'd really like to see one of those bird's eye blueprint grids, like what American Cinematographer Magazine uses as a visual aid for many of their articles detailing the process.
You guys are doing a great job.

[Barry_Green]

Cool! The best footage so far. The DOF is impressive.

But still, there is some edge enhancement going on (look at the stones on the ground of the car szene) that gives a little "video-ish" look. But I'm sure one can turn it down via menu settings.

The guitar szene is breath taking. Also the closeups. Nothing more to add. ;)
Edge enhancement can definitely be turned down. I think we were running at default (because we didn't have a monitor -- everything you're seeing here was shot with just the camera, using just the focus assist feature) so I couldn't determine optimal settings. This is pretty much the default F6 scene file. I think the default edge enhancement is set at zero or -3, and of course it goes all the way to -7.

[Digigenic]

Amazing! How did you get a shot of the IROC Z28? I thought they were hunted down and destroyed in the 80's!!!
:grin: LOL

[Barry_Green]

Jarrod, thanks for the Windows file. It looks good. Did you use a 35mm adapter to get that shallow depth of field? Or is it just the camera (via techniques)? Also any word on an HD Rack for the HVX?
No adapters at all. That's just the results of a skilled cinematographer using what he had to get the best results. Zoom in, open up the iris, and separate the subject away from the background...

Haven't heard any updates from Serious Magic so I don't know any news from them.

[Barry_Green]

I saw this footage at the show. Whomever DP'd that (Jarred?) really knows what they're doing. Beautiful lighting and camera work. Excellent job!
That was DP'd by Jay Nemeth, a very skilled cinematographer in Vegas and L.A. He's the guy who shot the spot that got me an Emmy, so Jay's all right in my book! :thumbsup:

[BillP]

Yeah, I overheard Jay Nemeth on the show floor say that the guy in this footage (reading the newspaper) is one of the guys from the Blue Man Group.

And the guy sitting at the bar on his cellphone, from the other footage, was wasted.:laugh:

-BillP

[Barry_Green]

Truely gorgeous. Although my download didn't have any audio...what up with that? :grin: jk
The audio detracts from the images -- instead of focusing on what you're seeing, you start trying to pay attention to what's happening in the scenes. We made a conscious decision to nuke the audio.


Did you guys get a chance to shoot some res and color charts while you had the HVX?
Not really, no. The crunch was on -- I flew back from NC Wednesday at 1:00 a.m., and Thursday at 9:00 a.m. we were shooting the interior stuff, then I drove to the gym and Pat shot the kung fu 720p stuff until 11:30 p.m., then I crashed at home until 7:00 a.m. to go drive to the middle of the desert to shoot the exterior stuff until 2:00, and then I had to drive to Los Angeles so Art Aldrich could start editing the footage to get it ready for Panasonic's press event. So no, no time for charts and stuff, and besides, that kind of formal lab testing needs to wait until we have a production-line, serial-numbered, bought-off-the-shelf unit so we know it's representative of the final, finished product.

[mikkowilson]

..ok, I (only) just got the chance to pull this footage up on a 1080 native HDTV display
(A nice sony 23" Luma studio LCD)

Looking at the WMVHD 1080 footage right now... SWEET JESUS.

:cheesy: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shocked: :shocked: :laugh: :beer: :cheesy: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheesy: :shocked:

- Mikko

[Barry_Green]

Any idea when we'll get some 60fps slow-mo footage?
THAT is what I'm really waiting for...
I haven't watched the 720p reel yet -- isn't the karate guy in there? Isn't there 60p? We shot 12, 22, 36, 48, and 60 of all sorts of stuff. If they didn't post that, I'll try to see if I can work something up later. Not sure whether my beta version of DVFilm Maker will let me extract variable-frame-rate footage or not...

[razamalik]

what can i say... im speechless... :lipsrseal the footage looks awsome :) . thanks panasonic for such a great camera and thanks Barry & Jarred for all the hard work, all that you guys do is much appreciated. :thumbsup:

[Barry_Green]

Amazing! How did you get a shot of the IROC Z28? I thought they were hunted down and destroyed in the 80's!!!
The lead actor's girlfriend (I think) owns it. Needless to say, they were very protective of it!

[Barry_Green]

Jarred and Barry,
Could you guys please share the lighting set ups for each of these shots?
If possible, I'd really like to see one of those bird's eye blueprint grids, like what American Cinematographer Magazine uses as a visual aid for many of their articles detailing the process.
You guys are doing a great job.
For the outdoors stuff? That's easy. Point the camera. Shoot.

The only thing we did for lighting at all on the outdoors stuff was use a white/silver beadboard card for a little fill, but it was mostly useless because the day was quite cloudy, and the desert acts like a big gold bounce card anyway. :grin:

[xl70e3]

I dunno what the hell is wrong with that WMV file, but it brought my dual G5 2,5 to its knees in fullscreen... Had to watch it on PC. Once again, AMAZING! I'm getting this cam whenever the PAL version comes out.

EDIT: Btw, Jarred/Barry, are you planning to recompress that first attempt at 1080p footage? Would love to see it with pulldown removed.

[mgalvan]

Unreal. Absolutely unreal. Can't wait to see actual DVCProHD 1080/24p footage on a Samsung 80" Plasma 1080p HDTV to see it in it's full glory!

PS- Has anyone been to the Samsung store in the Time Warner building in NYC? That 80" Plasma is the most breathtaking thing I've ever seen! Sadly, it only costs around $40,000!!!

Yes, I work for CNN in the Time Warner Center and we have those same screens in the studio. When I get my HVX, I will certainly try to hook it up to one of those monitors to see the goodness :)

[baremis]

HVXUSERSSSSSSSSSSS.com beatiful

[TiVo]

The WMV-HD plays and looks fantastic. Easily the best HD footage I have seen yet on my monitor. Looks better than the stuff you see in the MS HD Showcase. Keep the footage coming.......

[HVXguy]

Kick A-- stuff!! Now get to work on the HVX user guide and DVD demo which includes camera set-ups and a full post-production workflow using the P2 cards and FCP HD!!!

What workflow describes how you got to the finished 1080 WMV-HD?? Future users want to know!!

Thanks a ton

[Digigenic]

For the outdoors stuff? That's easy. Point the camera. Shoot.
The only thing we did for lighting at all on the outdoors stuff was use a white/silver beadboard card for a little fill, but it was mostly useless because the day was quite cloudy, and the desert acts like a big gold bounce card anyway. :grin:
Thanks for the response Barry.
Yes, I figured that much from the outdoor shots, but what about that indoor shot, was that HMI pouring through the window or natural?
I was also curious about the other sequences in the other video files, i.e. pool table/bar scene, martial arts sequence, etc.

[phd]

What a quality, i use my Dell 2405 to lock at the wmv-files :thumbsup:

[Luis Caffesse]

Any word on when we can expect some slo-mo samples?

[phd]

I made a comparition whit HVX-wmv-files and DVX avi-files.
I think i must save mony mow to a HVX :thumbsup:

[mikkowilson]

...like we don't have enoguh material allready.. (yeah, right)
I threw up some framgrabs from the1080 WMV footage.

Thread here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=40585

- Mikko

[harlan]

Thanks guys, looks great. I think I'd have rather you held the Z28 shot til we could see the girl driving it - that is if she was hot. ;)


Looks fantastic. Thx... I'm off to sell my Varicams!!! ;)

[Filmjunkie677]

that looks absolutely amazing! good stuff. thanks for the footage!

[NickZ]

I was fast enough to download this huge 417Mbytes 1080_native clip but cannot open it on win machine :( If someone have ftp server, i can share it.

[Luis Caffesse]

I was fast enough to download this huge 417Mbytes 1080_native clip but cannot open it on win machine :( If someone have ftp server, i can share it.

Damn, I wish.
I don't think I have the bandwidth for it.

[mishmash]

I've ul the 417mb "1080_native" clip to ProjX v2.0. He promised to put it out asap so u guys could have a look aswell.

[OliverM]

cool!
Thanks mishmash and projX!

[Edelweiss]

I was fast enough to download this huge 417Mbytes 1080_native clip but cannot open it on win machine :( If someone have ftp server, i can share it.

Make it a bittorrent, Nick! :)

[Isaac_Brody]

Yes, bittorrent would split up the bandwidth load well.

[ProjX v2.0]

It's comin, it's comin.

I't just taking longer to move around than I anticipated.

[OliverM]

As long as it's coming I am a very happy camper :)

[harlan]

I hope you're referring to the clip. ;)

[OliverM]

I was indeed. Ya littell perve... :)

[Damon Botsford]

Man, I gotta have this camera.
I know a place where I can donate blood for $50. I figure if I donate blood 130 times in the next week, then I'll have enough money. If I hit the local sperm bank and sell my Billy Beer collection, I'll add a 4g P2 card. Who's coming with me? No pun intended.

[harlan]

lol!!! :)

[harlan]

Man, I gotta have this camera.
I know a place where I can donate blood for $50. I figure if I donate blood 130 times in the next week, then I'll have enough money. If I hit the local sperm bank and sell my Billy Beer collection, I'll add a 4g P2 card. Who's coming with me? No pun intended.


Duude... I'm soooo there!!! :)


lol

[zeke]

Well crud, I can't donate blood and I had a Vascetomy 12 years ago.
Guess I'll just have to ask the wife for some money.

[Geoff_R]

Jarred, Barry, can you give us an estimate on how long it took to dump the footage from the HVX? Not sure what size card you guys had to test with or how you transferred it as well; firewire out from the camera to laptop or external drive. I'm getting an HVX for narrative filmmaking and trying to determine if I need (2) 4gb cards or if (1) will suffice. Thanks!

[Luis Caffesse]

Guess I'll just have to ask the wife for some money.

You know...they pay alot more for egg donors than they do at sperm banks....



i'm just throwing it out there.
:)

[harlan]

Not to sound creepy or anything, but you know, research companies seriously pay $5000 for an egg.

My girlfriend left otherwise.... hmmm...

[harlan]

Tie goes to the runner!!


now... which one of us was the runner??

[Luis Caffesse]

Tie goes to the runner!!
now... which one of us was the runner??


hahahaha
I don't know that I really want credit for thinking of that first.

[Geoff_R]

Barry,

I believe you mentioned that you had your 24" Dell with you. Have you had a chance to hook up the HVX to it and in your opinion, is it suitable for a field monitor? Secondly, hows does the monitor handle the 720P footage? Is the image distorted in any way from the uprezzing? Thanks in advance!

[euge04]

Looks good. Any possibility to see something shot at 720p in the native codec? A file that will play in FCP 5?

What kind of gamma setting is being used for these shots?

[Ernest_Acosta]

Guys I can see it now. A child born from your donating sperm, who turns into the swamp monster, comes back to find its biological papi and rip you to pieces for not sticking around. This story will be shot on the HVX and shown at 1080/24P and will win two Oscars for best cinematography and best original screenplay. I'll see ya at the Oscars!

[OliverM]

Well if he was ripped to pieces that might be somewhat of a problem for the oscar ceremony. :)

[harlan]

Guys I can see it now. A child born from your donating sperm, who turns into the swamp monster, comes back to find its biological papi and rip you to pieces for not sticking around. This story will be shot on the HVX and shown at 1080/24P and will win two Oscars for best cinematography and best original screenplay. I'll see ya at the Oscars!


lol!!

[Damon Botsford]

I was just thinking...
Panasonic has just set the bar (incredibly high with the look of that 1080P). From here on out, the little guy can play ball with the big boys. I believe in Hearts of Darkness, Francis Ford Coppola said that the next big thing in film will be some guy out there with a camcorder... or something to that effect. Who knows?

[ProjX v2.0]

Was that before Blair Witch came out?

[Luis Caffesse]

Was that before Blair Witch came out?

That's a joke right?
:)

[harlan]

That's a joke right?
:)


Geeez... let's hope so! :)

[OliverM]

@projX
Any timeframe on the file?
Sorry, I'm just anxious...

[Damon Botsford]

Was that before Blair Witch came out?

I had a feeling somebody was gonna say that!
Yeah, Hearts of Darkness was '91 and Blair Witch was '99. So 8 years for his prophecy to come true...not bad. Anyway, back to the thread...

[Luis Caffesse]

I had a feeling somebody was gonna say that!
Yeah, Hearts of Darkness was '91 and Blair Witch was '99. So 8 years for his prophecy to come true...not bad. Anyway, back to the thread...


Okay... THAT had to be a joke.
Hearts of Darkness was shot during the making of Apocolypse Now, well before 1991.

The footage was from 1979, it may have been released in 91 (which is why IMDB has it listed that way).
Anyway...moot point.

The point is, I feel old.
That's the real issue here.

:)

[Osmicata]

Jarred, Barry, thanks a lot for all of it! The videos are great. THIS CAMERA Rocks, I am Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo SOLD!! Great Job, Panny!

[Damon Botsford]

Okay... THAT had to be a joke.
Hearts of Darkness was shot during the making of Apocolypse Now, well before 1991.

I could be terribly wrong, but I swear towards the end of the documentary, there was footage of him at his home/vineyard (looking much older) reflecting back on the making of the film. It's been a while since I've seen it. Perhaps I was thinking of something else.

[jonahlee]

No Heart of Darkness was released in 1991. Yes it was shot at the time of Apocalypse Now, but it was not edited or completed. And their is footage in them from around then.

Yea I can't wair to get my hands on this camera.

[Damon Botsford]

Hey, anybody see the footage from the music video at DVExpo? "Tosh" mentioned it would be shown at the expo and I haven't heard anybody say anyhting about it.

[Luis Caffesse]

Hey, anybody see the footage from the music video at DVExpo? "Tosh" mentioned it would be shown at the expo and I haven't heard anybody say anyhting about it.

Oh yeah!
I completely forgot about that.
I wonder what happened to it.

Interestingly, they haven't updated defperception.com with any new info yet.

[harlan]

must've sucked! ;)

Just kidding of course... Michael actually does some pretty good work (including another video for John Brannen which looked fantastic). Perhaps they're just not quite ready to show it yet, or the label may be witholding presentation permission or something.

[HVXguy]

Did anyone see "Tosh" at DV Expo.
Maybe next year they will call it HV Expo??

[Luis Caffesse]

I could be terribly wrong, but I swear towards the end of the documentary, there was footage of him at his home/vineyard (looking much older) reflecting back on the making of the film. It's been a while since I've seen it. Perhaps I was thinking of something else.


You may be right on that. I don't exactly remember the context of the quote.
Either way, it was a tangent...i didn't mean to turn that into a big thing.
It was just a little thing I thought was kinda funny, mainly because it made me feel old.
:)

[Emanuel]

Did anyone see "Tosh" at DV Expo.
Maybe next year they will call it HV Expo??:)


Im pretty impressed, however not that convinced with the difference bewteen the 720p and the 1080p file. Barry is definatley right, it has more resolution but not sure how significant yet......35mm film-out: will it be significant?

[im.thatoneguy]

I was at CineAlta in Seattle, WA the other day and they were demoing some footage with the varicam in 720p and it looked absolutely beautiful. Even if there is a small improvement to 1080p it'll print much nicer. Also, I would rather have a digtal 1080p natively recording the analog noise rather than try and do a 4k blowup from a 720p digital source.

Even if the lens could only resolve 400 lines of resolution I would still rather be capturing that at 1080 just because it would look less digital.

If people are looking for a potentially faster download source.
By the way: http://vaporware.w3dzine.net/hvx_1080-24p_demo_footage.wmv.torrent

[NO CA$H]

Footage looks great.

:thumbup::thumbup: (Two thumbs up)

[qazwsx]

I believe in Hearts of Darkness, Francis Ford Coppola said that the next big thing in film will be some guy out there with a camcorder... or something to that effect. Who knows?

Tarantino said the same thing on the BTS of Pulp Fiction while they were rigging the car that Butch uses to hit Marsellus.

Back on topic, the footage looks amazing; much better than I expected! I wish I didn't look though, cause it's going to make the wait even more excruciating knowing that it's only a few weeks away and it looks this delicious!

[Loki]

I always find it funny when people say "that DOF looks great".... lol..

well.. if your background is the.... horizon... and your like 10cm from someones face.. it better be out of focus...

but anywho... the 1080p stuff is certainly impressive indeed, but I think the 720p are superior in their clarity and sharpness, of course you could argue that the 1080p footage is softer and therefore more "film like" but I shouldn't open that can of worms..

too late :grin:

[saru]

Firstly thanks a lot Jarred and Barry and all the guys involved for the footage :thumbup:
They are truly beautiful that my jaws dropped as everyone else !

I've found an another footage on a japanese site which claims it came from the pre-prodution model and down-converted to 480 within HVX...

It's in WMV format and I can not play it back on my beloved G5.
Can anyone try on PCs and possibly cross-convert to something playable on a Mac, please?

Here's direct link: http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/AG-HVX200Test.wmv

[mcshyd]

looks like it's time to upgrade your server's bandwith...

[harlan]

Doesn't seem to work on this Windows box here either saru. Strange.




Firstly thanks a lot Jarred and Barry and all the guys involved for the footage :thumbup:
They are truly beautiful that my jaws dropped as everyone else !

I've found an another footage on a japanese site which claims it came from the pre-prodution model and down-converted to 480 within HVX...

It's in WMV format and I can not play it back on my beloved G5.
Can anyone try on PCs and possibly cross-convert to something playable on a Mac, please?

Here's direct link: http://www.geocities.jp/sumi653/AG-HVX200Test.wmv

[Emanuel]

I always find it funny when people say "that DOF looks great".... lol..

well.. if your background is the.... horizon... and your like 10cm from someones face.. it better be out of focus...Congrats! Quote of the day!

DOF is not the same than shallow DOF or deep DOF, as all we know and there is who confuses this concept. And regarding shallow DOF, also there is real shallow DOF and not real DOF or fake shallow, that is, non-focus area plus (or versus, if you wish!) focus subject.

<PS>

For an online available example or real shallow DOF, see macgregor's Secret Garden.

That's why there are a lot of macgregor's comparisions concerning FX-1 footage properties. I'd say it's more a Jonathan Houser's properties or, better to say, property. And of course, color correction work and macgregor's eye - without forget HD(V) tech asset (if not why we'd be here?).

[Yuval Shrem]

Is there any mirror for the new file? (The huge native uncompressed one?)
It seems the server has reached its bandwith limits.

[mikkowilson]

no, not *yet* :thumbsup: .

- Mikko

[Flintstone]

Ah Man! All you guys sucked the bandwidth on the server and I can't see it! Boo-hoo!!! Boo-hoo-hoo!!! :(

[ProjX v2.0]

Anyone that can mirror, please step up. :)

[Teeck]

Am I the only one who is dissapointed with the footage??
I dunno maybe I was expecting too much, but I'm just really dissapointed, the footage looks okay but I was expecting better results. It looks tooo videoish, I was expecting a more pleasing filmic image. Also I was ay DV expo and the LCD on the HVX was really bad, did anyone else notice it. It looked superlow res....

[harlan]

Of course it looked like video, that's what it is. :)

[rgdfilms]

Yeah the LCD is pretty crappy. But then again, we were all testing the HVX under the worst lighting conditions possible so of course its going to look bad. Actually I take my statment back, the LCD isn't crappy, its just average, don't expect to see full blown HD out of a little 3.5 inch display. I was messing around with one of the Panny rep's p2 cards and saw some of the earlier stuff he recorded outside prior to dvexpo. It looked awesome..

[Emanuel]

Am I the only one who is dissapointed with the footage??
I dunno maybe I was expecting too much, but I'm just really dissapointed, the footage looks okay but I was expecting better results. It looks tooo videoish, I was expecting a more pleasing filmic image. Also I was ay DV expo (...)You really concerned me...but regarding the available footage only here, I'd say it's a question of lighting, gamma/color correction, DOF, composition, etc. You can follow here (http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showpost.php?p=367085&postcount=16) other post about the same subject.

Of course, if I'm not wrong...as well, the 1080 definition @progressive mode will be acceptable to 35mm film-out purposes...

[Emanuel]

Richard, the Barry's exterior footage is the same desert stuff that you saw yesterday?

EDIT: Richard answered me by private message. It's the same footage. Thanks rgd, nice contribution.

[Barry_Green]

Kick A-- stuff!! Now get to work on the HVX user guide and DVD demo which includes camera set-ups and a full post-production workflow using the P2 cards and FCP HD!!!
I'm workin' on it! I'm thinking I'll just pull my internet connection and not plug it back in until the book's done!


What workflow describes how you got to the finished 1080 WMV-HD?? Future users want to know!!
Drag 'n' drop MXF file into DVFilm Maker, tell it to remove pulldown and convert file to 24p .MOV. Output files.

In Vegas, select the 1080 HD preset, change it to 24 and progressive; import, chop and edit clips into 30 seconds of HD goodness. Tell it to render a WMV9 file. In the presets, choose "custom" and type in 1920x1080 at square pixels, and render with "best" quality. Voila!

(well, that's basically it, but it was really slow considering that Vegas only plays back maybe 2fps, maybe 3. But rendering the WMV was very fast, maybe five or six minutes to output it.)

[Stevet]

Am I the only one who is dissapointed with the footage??
I dunno maybe I was expecting too much, but I'm just really dissapointed, the footage looks okay but I was expecting better results. It looks tooo videoish, I was expecting a more pleasing filmic image. Also I was ay DV expo and the LCD on the HVX was really bad, did anyone else notice it. It looked superlow res....


Well, you can't please everyone! LOL..

This makes me one person closer to getting may hands on one of these!

This is the best footage I've seen come from a $6K investment!

Thanks again Panasonic!

Now the wait..... Man, is it going to be hard

Steve

[Barry_Green]

but what about that indoor shot, was that HMI pouring through the window or natural?
Basically natural sunlight coming in through the window on the left of the woman/right of the man, and a Lowel Caselite with two tubes (one tungsten, one daylight) on the opposite side. I don't remember if there was much else.


I was also curious about the other sequences in the other video files, i.e. pool table/bar scene, martial arts sequence, etc.
It's been a long week, I'll try to remember what we did. The pool cue shot was a daylight caselite, and a 650w fresnel bounced into the wall to provide a little front fill. And a lot of smoke. There's a window in the rear left illuminating the bar patrons, and another caselite on the right accenting them. And a 4x floppy blocking some light streaming into the hallway on the right.

For the martial arts, there's one 1200w HMI in the scene, I think it's pretty obvious where that is! :) And exactly opposite, but way way way in the distance, we had a 650w fresnel shining on him to give just a tiny hint of light. I figure there can't have been more than four or five photons hitting him, but it was just enough to lift him out of the complete blackness.

[Barry_Green]

Jarred, Barry, can you give us an estimate on how long it took to dump the footage from the HVX? Not sure what size card you guys had to test with or how you transferred it as well; firewire out from the camera to laptop or external drive. I'm getting an HVX for narrative filmmaking and trying to determine if I need (2) 4gb cards or if (1) will suffice. Thanks!
It took about 4 minutes to offload a 4gb card. I didn't really pay attention, as I'd start the offload and then go back to the shoot. By the time the 2nd card was full, the first one would be done, so then I'd swap 'em back.

Offloading speed depends on your system speed too. If you have a super-fast hard disk, you could probably cut that time down significantly. The fastest it will ever get would be 50 seconds to offload a 4gb card, but you'd need a SATA RAID in order to support the 80mB/sec transfer rate that that would require!

I'd say trying to work with just one card in that circumstance would probably lead to a lot of unnecessary frustration. If you can swing two, get two. One offloading while the other is shooting means that you're never waiting. But if you only have one, you'll always have to wait for it to offload before you can continue, and I bet that would get old *real quick*.

[Barry_Green]

I believe you mentioned that you had your 24" Dell with you.
Well, no, actually I said that unfortunately I didn't bring it with me but that I really, really wish I had!

I should be able to see it on there from WMV next week.

[Barry_Green]

What kind of gamma setting is being used for these shots?
It's been a week, my memory's fading, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly (if not entirely) cine_like_d.

[Barry_Green]

Hey, anybody see the footage from the music video at DVExpo? "Tosh" mentioned it would be shown at the expo and I haven't heard anybody say anyhting about it.
You're talking about the one with the screen shot that Tosh posted? Yes that's being shown in the Panasonic booth. There's three reels of footage -- our 1080p stuff, a 720p reel that has some of ours and some of Michael Caporale's stuff, and then a third reel with Michael's music video on it.

[Stevet]

Barry,
How's does Michael's music video look?

Is there a preview available to download?

thxs,Steve

[HVXguy]

I'm workin' on it! I'm thinking I'll just pull my internet connection and not plug it back in until the book's done!


Drag 'n' drop MXF file into DVFilm Maker, tell it to remove pulldown and convert file to 24p .MOV. Output files.

In Vegas, select the 1080 HD preset, change it to 24 and progressive; import, chop and edit clips into 30 seconds of HD goodness. Tell it to render a WMV9 file. In the presets, choose "custom" and type in 1920x1080 at square pixels, and render with "best" quality. Voila!

(well, that's basically it, but it was really slow considering that Vegas only plays back maybe 2fps, maybe 3. But rendering the WMV was very fast, maybe five or six minutes to output it.)

So you used Vegas to edit that?? Very interesting. Maybe I could get by doing that for awhile.
I thought the footage was great. I have been shooting for 20 years so I have seen great footage and crappy footage. Keep charging on!!!

[Jim Arthurs]

I'd say trying to work with just one card in that circumstance would probably lead to a lot of unnecessary frustration. If you can swing two, get two. One offloading while the other is shooting means that you're never waiting. But if you only have one, you'll always have to wait for it to offload before you can continue, and I bet that would get old *real quick*.

Wait a minute... you can't record to a P2 card WHILE doing a dump from the P2 card in the camera's other slot to a portable firewire drive in the field, can you? Don't you have to dump during a pause in filming?

If so then I'm on board for two cards.

Jim Arthurs

[Rush]

Yes you have to wait or use a computer/laptop to dump to a firewire drive.

[Digigenic]

Basically natural sunlight coming in through the window on the left of the woman/right of the man, and a Lowel Caselite with two tubes (one tungsten, one daylight) on the opposite side. I don't remember if there was much else.


It's been a long week, I'll try to remember what we did. The pool cue shot was a daylight caselite, and a 650w fresnel bounced into the wall to provide a little front fill. And a lot of smoke. There's a window in the rear left illuminating the bar patrons, and another caselite on the right accenting them. And a 4x floppy blocking some light streaming into the hallway on the right.

For the martial arts, there's one 1200w HMI in the scene, I think it's pretty obvious where that is! :) And exactly opposite, but way way way in the distance, we had a 650w fresnel shining on him to give just a tiny hint of light. I figure there can't have been more than four or five photons hitting him, but it was just enough to lift him out of the complete blackness.
:thumbup:
Thanks Barry, much appreciated. Yeah, I could have easily shrugged off the martial arts sequence as simply having that one visible light source, but I had to ask if there was anything else, and sure enough there was. Great stuff.
Hope you guys are rewarded handsomely for all of your efforts in putting this together; not only for the benefit of Panasonic, but more importantly, for all of us here.:beer:

[kai]

dang... bandwidth exceeded

[thisiswells]

This is probably covered elsewhere, but how do I play the 1080P .mov ?
I'm on a Mac w/ QT7 and it won't open.

Help!

[Emanuel]

I'm afraid not, thisiswells. With me it was the same. Just to see, if it will be the case, try the MPEG4 480p version here (http://www3.telus.net/projx1234/).

Hope it helps!

kai: avatar + signature = simply gorgeous. N I C E, at least.

[thisiswells]

Thanks Emanuel! Your link worked!

[Emanuel]

You're welcome!

[Geoff_R]

Thanks Barry!

[Jay Nemeth]

I'm glad most of you liked the footage! I just finished reading these threads and wanted to answer some questions that were asked here and at the Panasonic press conference as well as the Expo. I lit and shot the pool hall / bar sequence, the breakfast table scene, and the desert sequence with the blue Iroc. My background is film, and I was one of the first cinematographers to embrace HD rather than berate it like some of my peers.

I used no filtration on any scenes with the exception of the camera's own ND filters to get the stop wide open on the long lens stuff. In fact, I had to back one ND out for the rack focus of the plant to Marcus walking down the dirt road, because DOF was too shallow. I was at the end of the lens on that one.

Cine Like V was our Gamma set up, Barry and I decided we liked the rich blacks. For a film-out, you would want to stretch that and get as much detail in there.

-3 for detail (I think). The standard procedure when I shoot with the F900 or the Varicam is detail completely "off" when the primary purpose is a film-out. If it will be broadcast in HD with a possible print to film, I add just a smidge of detail. I think -5 is detail "off" for the HVX, but I'm not sure.

I only had the cameras for 5 hours on 2 days, so I had no time to shoot charts or conduct any tests. I had no HD monitor or waveform, and I usually do my own DIT work on HD shoots, so this was frustrating. I wouldn't have put a lot of weight on those tests anyway, since who knows how different the production model will be. I did shoot a Kodak greyscale and color chips that was taped on the back of a slate, but only to get a handle on the blacks.

Focus is hyper critical in HD, and was always checked with the expanded focus button. That's a neat feature that has been on Panavision eyepieces for years in the form of a swing-in magnifier.

I'm still suprised to hear those who don't like the P2 cards. The workflow is as fast as shooting film, even a little faster. The 4gig P2 card holds 4 minutes which is a little more than a 400' mag of 35mm. When a card is full, your 2nd assistant or loader (Barry) takes the card and dumps it in the Laptop. By the time I had filled the other card, I had an empty one ready to go. I never waited once. However, there have been plenty of times on 35mm shoots, where the whole production is waiting for the poor guy who is in the tent turning mags around. No worrying about "was he rushing? Is the loop set correctly? Did he drop the idler arm?" The P2 card is faster than film, and I think most of the people who buy this camera are making movies, not shooting weddings. And for those that need to record for an hour, the firestore box will be the answer for that.


Someone said they thought they saw edge enhancement on the rocks when the Iroc pulled up. I looked at that scene, and while it is possible there was some artificial detail in there, I think it is the shadows of each individual rock that looks like EE. The camera is just so good at resolving fine detail, that you're seeing things extraordinarily clear.

The kitchen scene was shot with one light (well two if you count the one several million miles away). It always impresses the client if you construct a forest of lights and c-stands, but the point of cinematography is to make the best image both technically and artistically. If a room already looks gorgeous, no need to waste time or energy re-inventing it.

We had a 5 ton grip and electric truck with us, but we were in such a rush, that I just kept it as simple as possible.

Everytime I've been to a trade show, the first footage shown from a new camera has always been hokey footage of models in abnormally colorful outfits doing silly things, or test footage shot by engineers. Since this camera will be embraced primarily by filmmakers, I wanted to shoot a narrative set of scenes that was cinematic in content, and represented what most of the users would be doing on their own projects.

The next thing we are doing is a 35mm film-out of this footage to project, and I have a pretty good feeling that it will be outstanding. I've played around with the DVX100 and the HDV cameras, but I'm convinced that this camera is the one that will change the way low budget indie films are made.

It was good meeting Jarred at the press conference, and I wish everyone here huge success with their projects. I'll check in for the next couple of days if there's any other questions I can answer.

Jay

[Rush]

Thanks for the feedback Jay! :)

[Emanuel]

Thank you for the useful report, specially for who is far away. Thx again.

[ProjX v2.0]

Since the bandwidth has been exceeded on the server listed in the original post of this thread, and in case anybody still hasn't been able to see the clips officially posted:

Mikko Wilson has them mirrored on his site. You can find the links for all the clips on the first page of the Original "Worldwide Exclusive First HVX200 Footage" thread:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=40488

If you have trouble running those because you have a crappy PC like I do, then you may want to check out these low powered 480P down-rezzed .mp4 samples of already encoded clips:

http://tinyurl.com/72eh5

They run smooth as silk in the free VLC Media Player @ http://www.videolan.org

:)

[Barry_Green]

So you used Vegas to edit that?? Very interesting. Maybe I could get by doing that for awhile.
The released footage in the booth was edited on the Mac. I used Vegas to piece together this .wmv.

It is not the best workflow. Converting the files to quicktimes throws away the metadata, and Vegas performs very, very poorly with HD quicktimes. I don't know if it's the integration with quicktime, or the speed of the avid codec, or what -- but it's just painful to use, as compared to watching those apple guys editing two or three or five or eight streams of DV100 in real time!

So I wouldn't say "get by", I'd say "limp horribly". Who knows, maybe using CineForm would make it usable, but right now the avid codec within vegas isn't a satisfactory solution. Well, maybe on a dual-core dual-processor hyperthreaded system, maybe...

[Barry_Green]

Hey Jay, welcome to the boards, and say hi to Harlan!

For those who saw our DVFilm film-out from the DVX100/Anamorphic adapter test, Jay was also the cinematographer for that (the Old West footage and the Matrix footage). Thanks for remembering the details on the scene file settings in the shots, as I obviously didn't! :)

[Jarred Land]

I just got in from my flight from LA to Vancouver, i will switch the footage over.

[FatDaddy]

Thanks for your work Jarred. I actually know more than some of local Pany reps about this camera thanks to dvxuser!

FD

[Jarred Land]

Thanks FatDaddy :)

ftp://24.85.81.11/

Theres the new link for now :)

[Weston]

That footage is pretty amazing.

Thanks much to both Barry and Jarred. YOu guys do put alot into this....flying all over the country!

[harlan]

Hey Jay, welcome to the boards, and say hi to Harlan!


hehehe... thanks Barry. I sent Jay a private message saying hello. It tripped me out that he was involved in all of that.

take care all,


.

[Jarred Land]

Yes welcome Jay.. great to meet you the other day.

[caitya]

Hi Jarred! You gave a ftp address, but no user and pass.

[Yuval Shrem]

The exterior 1080 stuff looks amazing!! :)
Where is that 500MB native DVC-Pro-HD file which was mentioned in the beginning of this thread? Is it a different footage or just an uncompressed version of one of the clips we have seen earlier?

[Rodrigo]

me wants more footage :D

[Chris Messineo]

Jay,

Great information, thanks for sharing your process.

Chris

[mgalvan]

Yes, It doesn't let me access the ftp ... can anyone host this footage for dl?

[araujofh]

Yes, It doesn't let me access the ftp ... can anyone host this footage for dl?

Just use an ftp application with user:anonymous and no password. You should get to the HVX200 folder, where the files are.

Try to download FTPExplorer for windows, or Cyberduck for mac.

Just type the address, and set user name to anonymous, and no password.

Hope that helps

All the best

Fidel.

[im.thatoneguy]

Or you could use Internet Explorer.

[caitya]

I try like that but it doesn't allow me in

[obin]

I can't get footage from the ftp using IE or MyFTP software...

[Jarred Land]

Fidel is right.. the FTP is anonymous.. you dont need any login information, in fact 1200 people have already downloaded it no problem since ive posted it.

[obin]

says 421 service is not working, closing connection

[Jarred Land]

dont worry.. im uploading it to Stickypod's HTTP server now.. check back in about 5 minutes.

[obin]

cool, can't wait

[bgundu]

http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/hvx_1080-24p_demo_footage.wmv

[ProjX v2.0]

http://tinyurl.com/72eh5

I've mirrored Barry's 1080/24P file there as well

[Jarred Land]

and here is the other 720p file http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/720_h264.mov

[ProjX v2.0]

Jarred, Mikko still has his mirrors up as well:

http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/
or
http://school.n3.net/hvx200/


He's been hosting those files 24/7 since they were originally released. :)

And he's added a ton of frame grabs.

[Spanbauer]

Is that Windows Media File with the 1080 24p sample shots what is on the FTP that a lot of us can't access? Because if it is then I'm not going to try getting on to the FTP any longer.

Just an FYI for everyone, Windows Media Player for Mac is pretty much absolutely worthless. It's such a poorly ported program/codec that only the lowliest of WMV clips will play smoothly, regardless of how fast your Mac is. You also can't scrub back and forth in the Mac version of Windows Media Player, and if you try to move the playhead to another point in the video, the video will reach the end of playback before it ever shows you an image. I'm quite sure The WMV codec for Mac was ported by a seven year old kid during DragonBall Z commercial breaks.

The QuickTime H.264 clip on the other hand was fantastic (on a Mac), but it sounds like just the opposite for Windows users. Sadly, the only H.264 clip I've seen was the blue sparring 720 clip. Hopefully when Apple gets switched over to Intel, Windows Media Player playback will be better for Mac users, and Apple will get better at making QuickTime run on Intel/AMD, and there can be a format we can all enjoy. In the meantime...what's on that FTP and are there any more H.264 clips available out there? Thanks for alll the hard working getting this stuff up!

[Jarred Land]

yeah I thought everyone knew our soldier Mikko's links already, ive just been posting the new ones as the old ones go down.

Mikko is the only real constant we got :)

[Jarred Land]

oh and Span.. that sucks that WMV doesnt work on Mac.. Quicktimes arn't that great on PC's. WMV however wipe Quicktime's but when it comes to encoding, and allows us to actually make a 1080p file. Problem is, Compressor wont scale the pixels right for the DVCPRO-HD file so we cant get a 1080 clip out of it till its actually released.. remember everyone, DVCPRO-HD 1080 doesn't really come out till the 29th of December... so we are all working with beta stuff here. There are ways to scale the H264 to 1080, but not the Native to 1080 properly.

Im letting the Apple guy give me the clips... as im not a Mac guy, and hes a pretty smart cookie so when he gets the 1080 file to me i will post it.

I dont know how many people where around when the DVX100 came out... but before the actual release you kinda where stuck with 60i.

[Spanbauer]

Thanks Jarred. I wasn't award that Compressor can't make a 1080 24p H.264 file yet. More-so than seeing 1080 clips, I'd just like to see more H.264 clips, period. But I'll keep checking back for those clips from 'The Apple Guy'. Thanks very much!

[stephenlnoe]

How about encoding a DivX using the HiDef 1080p24 profile @ "insane quality"? That should give superb quality.

[Jarred Land]

We have lots and lots of stuff.. and we will post it as we can. We went out with Jay N., Patrick Kerby, Evin Grant and Nancy Schreiber last week and shot for days and days.. plus all the head to head stuff with HDV, so we got a nice HD full of fun stuff... we just gotta wait for the Show to be over, so we can all take a breath and see what we can use, have rights to post, etc. etc.

Poor Barry has been on the floor for the last 3 days, so coming home and encoding is the last thing he wants to do, and "The Apple Guy" is also on the floor.

[harlan]

"The Apple Guy" hehehe...

[stephenlnoe]

Here is a video featuring "The Apple Guy" (Click) (http://www.fruitcountryvideo.com/video.html)

[harlan]

"Fruit" is right! ;)

[PappasArts]

That video had my brother and I laughing are asses off! To funny! It reminded us of a comedy video that we thought up but never shot called "drippage in the night"..

On the subject of the HVX200 etc.

Thanks for all the clips, there amazing. It takes a lot of bandwidth to offer this much. It was great to have met everyone at the show over the past two days and put faces to their names. The Panasonic booth had a lot of energy because the HVX200 is so ground breaking and people were eager to get a taste of it. I don't think we have even scratched the surface of what this camera will be capable of achieving..... The latitude in the desert scenes and the guy with the news paper were awesome considering their just WMV clips. The originals that played at the show were even more so... The material looked very very good. Eager to see more footage, that's for sure.

PS: Loved the Cheerleader footage. mmmmmmm...

Michael Pappas

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Looks good to me.

[Daniel Skubal]

Is there any chance there's going to be a part three of demo footage? I can't stop watching the stuff that's been released lol

[PrestonH]

Thanks, Jarred and Barry for all your hard work and dedication - as well as those who have stepped up to mirror files.

Just for grins I pulled them into AE, re-scaled and rendered for playback on my SD monitor. STILL pretty stinkin' impressive! Can't imagine what the native stuff looks like.

[ProjX v2.0]

PS: Loved the Cheerleader footage. mmmmmmm...

:shocked:

You're talkin about the choreography, right? :thumbsup:

[Jarred Land]

next person to post country music gets banned :)


That was funny as hell though.

[Jarred Land]

Is there any chance there's going to be a part three of demo footage? I can't stop watching the stuff that's been released lol

We will get it.. we are just smoking busy right now, so bear with us.

We would love to post the UCLA basketball stuff.. the Girls, the Action, the Slow mo was some of the best stuff we got... but obviously there are some rights issues with posting that stuff on the internet.

We will get you 3 way shoot out soon though, in fact we might forgo the whole article and just post the footage for you guys to judge yourselves.

[Justin_Kirch]

do it do it do it!

[MarcusX]

I did some detail comparison between 1080, 720 and SD based on the WMV-Clip (I really would like to see an uncompressed still):

SD: http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/9392/guitarcloseupsd4su.png

720: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6976/guitarcloseup7204ac.png

1080: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9039/guitarcloseup10803ak.png

It's hard to see a difference between the 720 and 1080 picture, its a little bit sharper.

[NickZ]

LOL :))

MarcusX, please tell us the method of your 'detailed' comparsion :)

[PappasArts]

Choreography....right. It was all gooood; gave me a :-) & <===8

Love Cheerleaders. Did anyone see " The History of Violence" Actress Maria Bello cheerleading in the bedroom scene. What a nice wife....... :-).....

PS: Anyone else here going to Birns & Sawyer's tomorrow ( Sat- dec 10 ) for the HVX200 demo their doing?



:shocked:

You're talkin about the choreography, right? :thumbsup:

[MarcusX]

Just some Photoshop resizing. I meant I took a detail (the guitar) out of the picture, not that I would do some sophisticated analysis :)

[mikkowilson]

yeah I thought everyone knew our soldier Mikko's links already, ive just been posting the new ones as the old ones go down.

Mikko is the only real constant we got :)

Thanks Jarred! (for both the comment and for the footage!) :)

A quick update on my server status:

At first I mirrored everything we had (both clips and the H264 grabs) on 2 servers to cope with the initial spike in bandwidth.
However as more material came out, I reached the storage limit on one server (school.n3.net/...). So I decided to do a re-shuffle. I put all the clips on one server (mikko.n3.net/...) and cleared out the other (full) one to use as a backup for my personal sites, should the downloads crash my main server.

[B]How things stand now:
ALL materials published so far are still beeing hosted at http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/ (http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/)
This includes:
*The 1080p WMVHD [desert] and 720p H264 [martial arts] clips.
*Full resolution .jpg and .tif framegrabs from the 1080p WMV file.
*The original (slightly problematic) 720p downconversion from 1080p H264 [bar] clip.
*WMVHD cross-conversions of both the 720p and 720_from1080p H264 clips.
*Screenshots of the 720p and 720p_from1080p H264 clips playing on my PC with QT 7.0.3

I have no idea how the server has held up these past few days, I'm afraid to call my ISP to ask about the bandwidth I've used :huh:

...in fact I have no idea how I've held up these past few days.. in the past 2 nights since the footage was relased at 10pm my time I have slept about 3 hours each, and it's allaready 3am on the 3rd night. :shocked: Thank god tommorrow is saturday!:cheesy:

The server http://school.n3.net/hvx200/ (http://school.n3.net/hvx200/) is no longer hosting any files. This URL will just bump you over to mikko.n3.net where the files are hosted.


- Mikko

[Chance White]

So I'm late to the party. I'm selling my HD100. This is the DREAM, folks. What we've been waiting for. The playing field has been LEVELED. Let's tear Hollywood up. Or, um, just make really good movies, then go to Hollywood and change the game, but be polite about things.

The HVX200 has 0wned me. Thanks for the goods Jarred and Barry.

[Oynk]

Anyone else here going to Birns & Sawyer's tomorrow ( Sat- dec 10 ) for the HVX200 demo their doing?

I hadn't heard anything about it. Do you know if there will be any new footage or features not shown at the Expo? If so I would be very interested in going.

I would especially love to see a HVX done up with a mattebox w/ filters, follow focus, and perhaps a 35mm adapter. I know that everyone is interested in the 'raw' look now, but I am still curious.....

O

This is what I found on their site:

Sneak Peak Open House 12-10-05!

Stop by our "Sneak Peak" Open House!

See our new camera rental & sales facility in the ArcLight!

6381 De Longpre Avenue
Hollywood, CA 90038

Free Validated Parking in the Parking Structure connected to our facility. Enter on De Longpre or Ivar.

No RSVP necessary, but feel free to let us know you're coming if you'd like!

If you want to stay for one of the camera specific seminars, you should RSVP for them. Please see other seminars to pick a time.

[Jarred Land]

So I'm late to the party. I'm selling my HD100. This is the DREAM, folks. What we've been waiting for. The playing field has been LEVELED. Let's tear Hollywood up. Or, um, just make really good movies, then go to Hollywood and change the game, but be polite about things.

The HVX200 has 0wned me. Thanks for the goods Jarred and Barry.


ha ha ha ha ha.. good post :)


and thanks mikko, i will update the post.

[HVXguy]

So I'm late to the party. I'm selling my HD100. This is the DREAM, folks. What we've been waiting for. The playing field has been LEVELED. Let's tear Hollywood up. Or, um, just make really good movies, then go to Hollywood and change the game, but be polite about things.

The HVX200 has 0wned me. Thanks for the goods Jarred and Barry.

I wish having an HVX200 was all it took. The camera is only 1% of the equation.
What is needed is a coalition of independents that can band together to form a larger mass. Hollywood is so fragmented and run by business people that a poor indie filmaker has a snowballs chance in hell to make it. At least now the indie films may look better, the real art & talent of filmaking is telling a compelling story. The indie doc I would love to make would be about indie filmakers!

[Mimik]

How funny, the guy in the sample wmv footage looks like an actor from Vegas we just shot pretty big commercial with..hehe..that would be funny if thats him.

WMV was choking on my G5..anyway you could post Q264 for us mac-dicapted.

[Jarred Land]

yeah.. good chance it is, as that segment was shot in Vegas.

[Barry_Green]

The guy's name is Marcus and he's a member of The Blue Man group... (well, the "real" blue men, not PK's Isara dude...)

[callan]

Amazing! I'm super pumped! Thanks guys!

It played back perfectly, but when I full screened it, there were this lines of "tearing" all over the video. Is that a scaling problem with the codec or something? It was totally unexceptable (and I don't use that word loosely). But at it's native size it was perfect!

[Rodrigo]

"It was totally unexceptable (and I don't use that word loosely)."

Well, you shouldn't use it at all 'cause it doesn't exist.

[Jarred Land]

Thanks for the additional Mirror SalaTar.

[zem]

Thanks for the additional Mirror SalaTar.

call me crazy, but why dont you just put up a torrent with the zip archive of all compressed clips and a few half GB native clips?

afterall, it was designed for exactly these kind of things.

++ chris ++

ps: thanks for the nice work of all people involved.
pps: oh, and first post btw ;)

[mikkowilson]

Welcome to DVXuser!

- Mikko

[Jarred Land]

thanks Zem.. thats what i plan to do.. but we dont have the permission to release the native clips yet, so we cant.

[zem]

thanks Zem.. thats what i plan to do.. but we dont have the permission to release the native clips yet, so we cant.

i see.. i must have been one of the few lucky ones who got the clip in the brief time it was up then ;)
can't quite understand who would want to prevent them from being posted (panasonic?) as the HVX clearly is going to eat the HDV camp for lunch, but i'm sure there's a good reason.
please excuse my snippy comment and congrats again.

++ chris ++

[Jarred Land]

i see.. i must have been one of the few lucky ones who got the clip in the brief time it was up then ;)
can't quite understand who would want to prevent them from being posted (panasonic?) as the HVX clearly is going to eat the HDV camp for lunch, but i'm sure there's a good reason.
please excuse my snippy comment and congrats again.

++ chris ++

Its a little thing called Copyrights and Distribution agreements.. that clip was uploaded by the apple dude by mistake when I was out, and people mirrored it around before I got home to take it down. Panasonic also didnt want it up until an actual real codec was released so everyone could watch it properly.

[MarcusX]

Hmm, what about some still pictures from the clips?

Btw, great work guys.

[Edelweiss]

Yeah, some uncompressed still pictures in the original resolution would be greatly appreciated! :-)

[Mimik]

hehe good stuff barry, I knew it was him..as a matter of fact we have a shoot with him for COX tomorrow I belive...hehe..good guy..forgot his buddy's name but they are quite hilarious actors. and yes the footage looks great..needless to say.

[blckhawk542]

I hate you both Jarred and Barry......you guys witnessed the HVX in action...lucky!

Those shots were really nice though...madd props to the DP's.

Hey Barry..next time im in Vegas...im gonna find your house and use ur HVX when you buy one :grin:

If only I had the uncompressed footage...i would play it at full 1080 rezz on my plazzma..dont get me wrong..the compression still looks nice...but it would be alllot better on a nice HDTV.

Good work men!

[Stevet]

Hi, this is my first post here

You can use Gabest Media Player Classic. It plays a lot better than the windows media player.

There appears to be some confusion on DVCProHD:

Recording at 720p results in a 960x720 image at 4:2:2, effective color resolution is 480x720 and only uses a small part of the 100mbit/sec rate. 60fps uses the full rate.

Recording at 1080p 30fps (or 24p) results in 1280x1080 image at 4:2:2, effective color resolution is 640x1080 and it uses the full 100mbits/sec rate.

Recording at 1080p 25fps results in 1440x1080 image at 4:2:2, effective color resolution is 720x1080 and it also uses the full 100mbits/sec rate.

The 1080p to 720p path is superior to 720p because we get a true 1280x720 image (from the 1280x1080). If we record at 720p we get only 960x720 which needs 3/4 oversampling (x1,333 horizontally) to get the 1280x720 output which gives a softer image. So the 1080 to 720p is true 4:2:2. The 720p direct is not. The image is much softer. We also get better quality because we downsample from a higher resolution. Many compression artifacts are removed by this process since it is equavalent of filtering.

The cool thing is a 1080p to 480p conversion. This gives an 720x480 image with 640x480 color that has 9:8:8 color sampling! It is effectively 9:8:8 because we have enough Y resolution but have to oversample x1.125 the color differences' resolution. 9:8:8 is almost as good as uncompressed which would be 9:9:9. Try downsampling the 1080p to 480p and examining at 100%. Even after all the compression the image is pixel perfect. No visible artifacts at all.

The PAL version using this method will do 1080p to 576p with 720 horizontal pixels (1440 horizontal pixels are recorded on the format instead of 1280 on the pal). So that will be 4:4:4 and exactly the same quality with uncompressed! There is a chance that it will be 1280 instead of 1440 though. Both 3/4 and 2/3 resampling appear on DVCPROHD specs on the net for Pal. Can't be sure.

Also, all this goes through 6,7:1 compression. But color sampling is equivalent to no color sampling at all on pal.

So, downsampling from 1080p gives SD output of extreme quality. Normal dv has 1/4 the color information and compression artifacts from 5:1 compression. The DVCPROHD compression artifacts at 6,7:1 are actually higher at full res, but are removed by the downsampling to SD process.

btw, I noticed 5 pixels of purple fridging on the original sample with the wide setting on the lens. On both the original clips. We didn't expect perfect lens at this quality did we? The zoomed in scenes on the new sample look perfect to me.



Great read Hmm... Any more thoughts one this. I must admit that the 1080P downsampled to 480P desert/guitar video going around here looks amazing even though it's gone through multiple codecs.

After thinking more about this, you have to wonder if the 1080P downsampled to 720P may be worth checking out.

We'll have to run some tests when we get some raw samples, or our cameras for that matter :)

Steve

[mattsdp]

Thanks for the footage Jarred, It look freakin awesome!!!

[theos]

ok, this is the new benchmark :) thanks guys for the work, it is cool to see the first from the hvx, it is huge, awesome

[J.R. Hudson]

Can someone post the lin to the DESERT / GUITAR footy?

The 24 pages of posts has me confused.

[Isaac_Brody]

http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/hvx_1080-24p_demo_footage.wmv

[J.R. Hudson]

Got it! Tks Issac.

Is it the one with the dude in kitchen? (I guess I was looking for DESERT footy)

[Isaac_Brody]

Yep. That's the one.

[J.R. Hudson]

Crap; just watched it.

Whoa.

Awesome. That hasnt been 'messed with'?

[Isaac_Brody]

Just encoding, no color timing whatsoever.

I really want to see the original footage. It's still hard to believe that Panasonic made this camera and crammed in this feature set for under 6K. :)

[STORYTELLER32]

Was away for the weekend so I'm a little late to this party, but....

..I have to say I'm floored by this.

Last weekend, I attended an HD film festival here in Los Angeles. All the movies were screened using 2k projectors. Most of the fliks were shot with the Cinealta... with the exception of two features. One was shot on the Viper which, honestly, was simply stunning and looked SO filmic, I had to strain to find things which were "videoish" looking. But the other feature was shot on a Varicam.

I can honestly say, the footage in these tests are comparable to the footage in that feature. There is no difference to the untrained naked eye. This looks like varicam footage to me. Would love to see how this holds up to 2k projection-

But either way, it's official: the playing field just got a lot more equal. Now get to work on your scripts!

(Special thanks to Jarred and Barry for doing this for us. You guys are the best-)

[Rush]

Story did you see the side by side with the SDX900 at the DV expo? HVX looked sharper to me, with all the SDX's dynamic range.

[Barry_Green]

Awesome. That hasnt been 'messed with'?
Took the files from the card, re-wrapped 'em from MXF to AVI, and put 'em on the timeline in Vegas. Then output as WMV9, using "best" quality.

So no, no color timing, no sharpness filter, no anything. Straight export, hasn't been touched at all.

[Antoine_Fabi]

===========
Originally posted by Rush
Story did you see the side by side with the SDX900 at the DV expo? HVX looked sharper to me, with all the SDX's dynamic range.
===========

Rush, is it really possible that a 1/3" camcorder to have equivalent dynamic range of a 2/3" camcorder ?
Did you compare with outdoors high contrast environment ?

...but that would be great !

[STORYTELLER32]

Story did you see the side by side with the SDX900 at the DV expo? HVX looked sharper to me, with all the SDX's dynamic range.

I wasn't at the DV expo (unfortunately). Would have loved to have seen it. I do know that daylight and sky shots stoodd out like sore thumbs in all the HD footage I saw. HD seems to have a hard time with that in general.

The Varicam feature was shot in NYC and the locations seemed to be insanely crisp. Every little detail was noticable and the DOF was endless. Don't know if this was a camera issue or a DP issue.

I think the comparisons are so close that your average movie goer wouldn't notice the difference between something shot on the Varicam vs the HVX. I think the 2/3rd vs 1/3rd chip size isn't noticeable at all (based on what I've seen so far). A good DP should be able to creatively compensate for the drawbacks. If we can nail down the film lense adapters for SDOF on this thing, we'll be smokin'.

In the end, content is king. If you have something worth shooting and worthy of distribution, this camera will help you achieve it with footage that is theatrical projection quality.

[Rush]

I just saw what they had playing there, and I felt that the HVX footage was sharper. It just seemed that the SDX had a lower res.

[jonahlee]

I didn't realize it was going to be 6995 wiht 2 4GB cards. That is much more doable right now, but would have to live with the much smaller memory.

[Trucci]

I just saw what they had playing there, and I felt that the HVX footage was sharper. It just seemed that the SDX had a lower res.

Doesn't that make sense since the SDX is standard definition?