World Exclusive First HVX200 Footage.. only here

[Jarred Land]

Notice that me and Barry have been a little quiet the last week?

Well, Here it is, the world exclusive footage from the HVX, shot by some talented DP's and produced by Me and Barry Green (Of course Barry did all the work... )

We are literally encoding and FTP'n from the Press Release in Los Angeles to you guys, so here is the folder, the clips will drop in there as soon as they are done.

H.264 is viewable in Quicktime only, and very taxing. 720 Clip is H.264.



The 1080 WMV-HD clip is full 1080 (yesterday it was 720)


www.dvxuser2.com




have fun :)

MIRRORS:

All of the footage, with screen grabs from H264 (compressed),, big thanks to Mikko!

http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/
or
http://school.n3.net/hvx200/



http://tinyurl.com/72eh5 Thanks Projx!

1080 WMV
http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/hvx_1080-24p_demo_footage.wmv Thanks Stickypod!!

720 H264
http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/720_h264.mov
.

[lboyce]

SWEET SWEET SWEET!! This cannot download fast enough!!

[Luis Caffesse]

I"m next!!! Downloading now.
Thanks Jarred.

[Shaw]

WooooHooooooo!

can't wait to check this out!

[Dahopafilms]

Notice that me and Barry have been a little quiet the last week?

So much for the rumour that you were in rehab again ...

[Shaw]

So does this mean we will have an article comparing the HVX and other HD(V) cameras very soon as well?

[Luis Caffesse]

So much for the rumour that you were in rehab again ...

Yeah...rumour...right.
:)

(notice he did say that Barry did all the work)

[Justin_Kirch]

downloading!!!!!!!!!!!LKJL!:KJ!L:KJ!L:KJ!J!J!J!J!

[redindian]

lol/


thanks jarred/barry!! DVXuser exclusive - awesome!!

[Luis Caffesse]

Oh Wow.
Looks nice.

[Justin_Kirch]

Holy Crap!!!!!! That Looks Amazing!!!!!!

[Shaw]

You bastids are already done???

I'm only 30%!

[Justin_Kirch]

hehe, T1 sucka.

[mikkowilson]

43%! ugh!


- Mikko ...has allready played with one at IBC anyway (that's the only consolation i have)

[Luis Caffesse]

hehe, T1 sucka.

I guess my neighbor has a really fast connection on his wireless network
:evil:

[lboyce]

Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!

[Luis Caffesse]

Boy, I wonder why they chose to shoot something with so much quick motion in it as their first sample?
:)

Damn it looks nice.
I think I'm sold.

[esperman]

stupid QT player on my laptop won't play it.
The one day I'm away from my mac.......

[lboyce]

let me say it one more time....OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin_Kirch]

well, it can capture fast motion no doubt.....someone send me a few thousand dollars so i can get one please :)


you know what's great, is i'll probably see the footage before any of you do. i'm refreshing the page like crazy.........MUAHAHAHAHAH!!

[hcook5150]

That looks awesome

[Shaw]

Is the clip 60p?

[Luis Caffesse]

you know what's great, is i'll probably see the footage before any of you do. i'm refreshing the page like crazy.........MUAHAHAHAHAH!!


I'll race you!
:)

[Luis Caffesse]

Is the clip 60p?

No, it's 24P (720)

[Knock Out Films]

beleive it or not it chuggs my G5 single, any setting I could change?

[Luis Caffesse]

beleive it or not it chuggs my G5 single, any setting I could change?

Wow, that's suprising.
Hmmm...maybe you could change your single for a dual G5?
:)



(just kidding obvioulsy)

[johnc]

Try viewing at half size.

johnc

[Justin_Kirch]

allright luis.....when another clip loads let's do it.

[Knock Out Films]

changing size doesn't help, makes me worry about FCP, same engine right?

[FatDaddy]

Hard for my little dual G4 to play it back. Id that Jarred or Barry in the clip?
(or Jan?).

FD

[mmm]

I'll stick with VHS-C I think...

[David Jimerson]

Wow -- looks great . . . and that's a whole lot of blue for it NOT to be noisy in . . .

[Jim Arthurs]

Oh, and it's 24fps over 60p... so file size bigger than it could be for those who are, ah, "bandwidth challenged". :)

Jim Arthurs

[Justin_Kirch]

exactly David......it looks amazing for only one light to be illuminating the whole thing. looks like a 1k is lighting it.

[Luis Caffesse]

I agree, it does look great.
I'm not sure how much we can say about noise level though, seeing as we're viewing an H.264 sample.
But, you're right...it does appear to be very clean.

Now let's bring on a 60fps sample!

[royK]

ooh pretty.

[esperman]

Hmmm....not too bad. Thanks for posting.
But I really would like to see some raw files.
Any way to post one or two shots online?:laugh:

[mrpunch]

Too bad they didn't mount a 100A beside it for comparison!

Then again, we probably don't want to see that ...

[Justin_Kirch]

1080 is up and i'm dling it like crazy

[Justin_Kirch]

done already. doh.......it says file is not a movie file??? oh no wonder......it's not finished uploading.

[Luis Caffesse]

damn, just when i stepped away for one second!
Downloading now...

[mikkowilson]

maybe you got it down faster than Jarred got it up?
- Mikko

[mikkowilson]

yeah you must have.. the fileszise is still growing!


HAHA!

[Rich Lee]

the 1080p one is still uploading..click refresh in the browser and you can see its file size increase....hot off the press...

[Justin_Kirch]

hehe.....i'll still see it before any of you.....Luis you're going down.

[Luis Caffesse]

Damn, same thing happened to me

[Justin_Kirch]

this is going to be a big file. downloading now!

[Justin_Kirch]

done!

[mikkowilson]

stopped at 53.5MB

[Luis Caffesse]

Downloading....53.5MB
Looks like it's done uploading.

[esperman]

its done. 53.5 megs

[saru]

downloading!! 720P rocks !! so how's 1080P ????!!!!!!

[Justin_Kirch]

dude, guys.......that looks CLEAN!

[Luis Caffesse]

done!

DAMN you do have a fast connection!

[esperman]

we're all losers...you realize this right?

[saru]

I was gonna go to bed, and it's 6 in the morning... shit, I can't sleep now

[mikkowilson]

yeah we know we are loosers... ...so?

[johnc]

I get the file is not a movie error also.

johnc

[Justin_Kirch]

man....i was dling at 2mb/s that time.....i'll take a screenshot on next clip...btw, it's 1080p/24p

[esperman]

pool anyone?

[insanityfw]

Just played the 720 stuff back full-screen on the Dell 24" and it looks amazing. I actually got chills.

[Rich Lee]

hmmm...maybe its just my computer..but the 1080p one looks like poo poo...it looks cool when i play it at half size...but full size looks ugly..some weird lines...but half size looks really sharp...

[SilverWolf]

My connection is running at 2mbs a sec ( yes Megabytes)

[Sumfun]

I can't view h.264. Hopefully he'll upload the mpg's soon.

[Justin_Kirch]

ahh....so silver has the same speed i do......we'll see about the next clip then. muahahah!

[saru]

oops, 1080p acutually reads 1280 x720 with my QuickTime. Is this only me ?? Anyway it looks awefully gooood

[SilverWolf]

Wow that clip is amazing. His Shadow fighting/sparring isn't however

[Luis Caffesse]

DAMN this looks clean!!

[SilverWolf]

my connection takes 23 seconds to download the 1020

[pertierr]

There seems to be a lot of blue bleeding/chromatic aberration on the 720P clip...look at the edges of the man's body. Is it known if this is the lens or just due to decimation?

[Justin_Kirch]

welcome to the club Luis, lol.

[Isaac_Brody]

Jarred and Barry, thanks a lot.

The 720P looks great.

The 1080P looks a little wonky on my screen. Definitely some weird lines going on. Anyone have an idea of what's going on with it?

The 720 looks awesome. I hope we get to check out some variable framerate footage. Sweeet.

[Damon Botsford]

I get the file is not a movie error also.

johnc

I got same thing... downloaded it before Jarred was done uploading

Try downloading the full file

[NO CA$H]

I don't think mine is even downloading! All I got is a white screen with the quicktime symbol.

[esperman]

I imagine the raw video looks better....but these clips confirm what I've been saying...it's a hell of a camera for under 9K!

[Luis Caffesse]

welcome to the club Luis, lol.

Thanks,
I'm coming over to your place Justin.
:)

[Justin_Kirch]

right click and save as no cash. and i'm actually up at school in Fort Worth right now, Luis....have fun driving on the icy roads.

[NO CA$H]

I can only save link as.

[Justin_Kirch]

well, hmmm.......don't know man......try redoing it then.

[Isaac_Brody]

Try Internet Explorer. I use firefox and sometimes it tards when saving quicktime files.

[NO CA$H]

Nevermind it working.

[xl70e3]

Sorry for repeating, but...

OH MY GOD!!!!!! That looked AMAZING!

[Jim Arthurs]

Folks, WAIT until the file is up until downloading. Just hit refresh and notice when the file size stops growing. Then download away.

Yes, the 1080 is encoded incorrectly... seems partial rez, like half scale or something. Colors and dynamics look really good though...

Jim Arthurs

[johnc]

Got it. This is some purrdy stuff. A little bit of jittering on my 2.5 GHz P4 but still looks amazing. Incredible price/performance ratio.

johnc

[NO CA$H]

Is this the first time the footage of the HVX is on the internet?

[esperman]

Yup. Just wait until you play with real DVCPRO-HD files.
You'll be amazed and forget all about HDV....we're all
impressed with heavily encoded footage LOL.

[TiVo]

Both clips look great! I'd really like to see it in WMV-HD. Any chance?

[NO CA$H]

I get an error message when trying to play it... Error -2048: The file is not a movie file.

[mikkowilson]

yes it is (notice thread title)

[J.R. Hudson]

That is niiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccccceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Wow. No chrome abby either. Even the Red light is pure and not pixelated.

And Panasonic goes yard

[ProjX v2.0]

holy crap, 10 pages already

[NO CA$H]

LOL

All I saw was HVX...FOOTAGE

[redindian]

donno what to expect - but 1080 doesnt look too impressive...

the first shot of the african-american guy is faded and dull...
most edges has steps (like hair of the ladies aliased against the white door, the guy's shirt etc)

[Justin_Kirch]

you haven't downloaded the whole thing then, no cash. same thing happened to me 30 minutes ago.

[ArkhamFilms]

Is it me or is there some of that DVX blue fringe on the left hand side of the guy, on the 720 clip? Actually... it's on whichever side has a difference in contrast.

-CJ

[mikkowilson]

holy crap, only 10 pages? :D

- Mikko

[Justin_Kirch]

donno what to expect - but 1080 doesnt look too impressive...

the first shot of the african-american guy is faded and dull...
the hair of the ladies sitting at the bar has steps (aliased against the white door)


it's because whoever was dp diffused the light with a crap load of smoke. just look at it, you can't miss it, lol.

[Isaac_Brody]

Don't forget that H264 encoding tends to wash out colors and flatten the blacks. I bet the native footage is even better looking than what we're looking at. Just try to reserve the big judgments for native res footage. This looks much better than I thought it would.

[ArkhamFilms]

donno what to expect - but 1080 doesnt look too impressive...

the first shot of the african-american guy is faded and dull...
most edges has steps (like hair of the ladies aliased against the white door, the guy's shirt etc)

It's showing up at 1280x720, so it isn't 1080. Weird.

-CJ

[Damon Botsford]

I'll reserve judgment on the 1080P until we get a clean encode. That one obviously has some issues. Just look at the straw! The 720 is beautiful though.

[esperman]

Don't forget that H264 encoding tends to wash out colors and flatten the blacks. I bet the native footage is even better looking than what we're looking at.

A voice of reason. For really, really compressed footage...this looks pretty good for us. Wait until we see true DVCPRO-HD footage!!!:grin:

[Luis Caffesse]

Wait until we see true DVCPRO-HD footage!!!:grin:


I'll add to that... wait until we see true 60FPS footage!

[russ_c]

Hey guys, the image looks very messy in the dark areas. Might I assume that it is the compression artifacting? It is actually very distracting and obvious to me...don't get me wrong, I want one of these cameras! I am pretty sure it is the heavy compression...

Jarred could you post an uncompressed still frame or two?

Thanks for the footage!

Russell

**EDIT

Weird! It looks 1000x better on my Powerbook as compared to my Dell flatpanel on my work PC!

[HybridCreations]

This is like watching the slow death of my DVX.:cry:

[esperman]

Good point Luis. I think these samples here look better than most native HDV I've seen. Damn this camera will rock.

[Isaac_Brody]

Hey guys, the image looks very messy in the dark areas. Might I assume that it is the compression artifacting?

That looks like compression artifacting.

[mikkowilson]

what's slow about it?

[xl70e3]

Yeah it is somewhat painful... especially knowing that we won't see PAL version for a while =/

[pertierr]

Yeah, there's tons of banding and artifacting in the darker areas of the 720P clip. The highlights make it look like the camera has about 7 stops which is about right. The blue bleeding/fringing is what i'm curious about. Could be the codec.

[Luis Caffesse]

This is like watching the slow death of my DVX.:cry:

Not just yet....
I don't know about you but the DVX is still giving me a very decent living.
While this is exciting...and it is... I know people don't hire me for the camera I'm working with. So don't get down just yet.

[Isaac_Brody]

Damn, I'm jonesing for some silky smooth slowmo now. :)

[mikkowilson]

ok guys, I've thrown the 720p clip up on my server as a backup/alternate: http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/

- Mikko

[NO CA$H]

I just saw the Kung Fu dude on the 720 clip is the 1080 one different?

[ArkhamFilms]

I just saw the Kung Fu dude on the 720 clip is the 1080 one different?

Yes, but it's not 1080 yet.

[SpotBotGun]

This is desperation:

Downloading a 50MB clip at 2.5KB/s on dial-up

it hurts... every moment...

[Justin_Kirch]

1080 is some people at a bar...starts with a shot of a billiard table.

[esperman]

I just saw the Kung Fu dude on the 720 clip is the 1080 one different?
yup...a bar scene. Not the best sample....but worth checking out anyway.

[esperman]

This is desperation:

Downloading a 50MB clip at 2.5KB/s on dial-up

it hurts... every moment...

wait for some stills.....LOL

[NO CA$H]

I wanna see some day light stills.

[smelni]

I am very impressed and now very happy that i have one reserved :)

[Ed Kishel]

This is like watching the slow death of my DVX.:cry:
yup you should throw your camera out of a window cause its definitely dead, yup the DVX is DEAD! :huh:

Although I dont have chills, the footage is impressive. I am officially saving up, in two years I should have enough in time for the B model. :thumbsup:

thanks Jared and Barry!

[saru]

imagine I gotta get some sleep NOW cause I'm going to work in 3 hours
I want see more !!!!!

[NO CA$H]

The DVX will never be dead!

I'll eventually have to sell her though...

[Policar]

The 1080p footage looks awful, but the 720p looks amazing. Bizarre.

[HybridCreations]

Not just yet....
I don't know about you but the DVX is still giving me a very decent living.
While this is exciting...and it is... I know people don't hire me for the camera I'm working with. So don't get down just yet.
Oh don't get me wrong, Baby D is still being very good to me. It's just the beginning of the end. I'm sure this has been talked to death in the HVX forums (I've steered clear for the last couple months) but the proliferation of these things IS gonna make it tougher to compete. I don't care, I'm gonna cling to mine for as long as I can.
-Ryan

[NO CA$H]

Is DVXUser ever going to become HVXuser?

[HVXguy]

I like the tonal qualities of the 1080 clip. Can we get the set-up file for the camera settings? Plus was any filtration used on the lens? What was the post flow on this??
Thanks - Great Stuff!!

[Policar]

The 1080 clip reads as 720 and it's all screwed up. Something is wrong with it so I'll forgive the fac that it looks horrible.

720p looks amaizing, though. I really want one of these things...

[J.R. Hudson]

Wheres' the 1080 clip? Anyone? I missed it in this 13 page fest

[Justin_Kirch]

If anyone thinks that they are going to switch over to the HVX just because of the footage is just crazy. I'd say 75% of the people on this forum haven't even mastered the DVX yet. I'd wait until that happens, then switch over to the new format. There's so much to learn still.

And to add to this......most of us don't even have the systems to run DVCPRO HD footage. Heck, a lot of us can't even view the footage correctly! Everyone settle down when you say the DVX is dying. I don't think it is. I think the camera is gorgeous and I'm creating better and better images with it everytime I use it.

[Justin_Kirch]

here you go john. http://www.dvxuser.com/showdown/h264/

[NO CA$H]

http://www.dvxuser.com/showdown/h264/

[J.R. Hudson]

Found the links; disregard!

[Shaw]

Though buying the HVX for its DVCpro50 wouldn't be a bad step for any of us ;)

[MarcusX]

Wheres' the 1080 clip? Anyone? I missed it in this 13 page fest
Its on the very first post in the ftp-directory. Maybe you have to refresh the browser.

[Benton]

Wheres' the 1080 clip? Anyone? I missed it in this 13 page fest

bookmark
http://www.dvxuser.com/showdown/h264/

http://wilson.pp.fi/mikko/hvx200/

[ProjX v2.0]

Generally, people have more money than patience so that waiting to master the DVX first isn't gonna happen.

[HVXguy]

I have been getting requests for HD work. I never could compete with the guys in town who own Varicams and HDCAM. This will at least let me get in the door. We are talking about HD for large screen playback at corporate meetings. I had a client in yesterday who wanted me to re-budget for shooting in HD. The DVX will continue to go on all HD shoots as well.

[Justin_Kirch]

ProjX, you're right unfortunately. But if they keep updating on new formats and new technologies, how will they get better? They wouldn't really have time to master what they first got. It makes me upset as you can see, because I can't afford an HVX or a system that can handle the footage. I'm going to become great at my DVX then make the move when necessary.

[mikkowilson]

1080 clip is now also up on my mirror along with some screengrabs i'm dooing (I can only do full res for the 720 clip)

http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200/

- Mikko

[Knock Out Films]

I still can't get my G5 single to not chug. Kinda weird since I can almost always watch the H.264 off the Apple Trailers site.

Any ideas

[NO CA$H]

I'm going to become great at my DVX then make the move when necessary.

Thats what I'm guna do too, but I have a feeling by the time I make the move the HVX200b will be out.

[Justin_Kirch]

Yah, that may be Cash, but atleast we'll be able to be great at lighting and such by the time it comes out!

[ProjX v2.0]

ProjX, you're right unfortunately. But if they keep updating on new formats and new technologies, how will they get better? They wouldn't really have time to master what they first got. It makes me upset as you can see, because I can't afford an HVX or a system that can handle the footage. I'm going to become great at my DVX then make the move when necessary.

Nobody's using VHS cameras to learn color balancing and framing. We all want the best tools to use for any job we do whether we're skilled or not.

You need to use that DVX to make you money to get you an HVX and new computer. :)

[SpotBotGun]

Thanks for the stills, Mikko.
:)

[ArkhamFilms]

I still can't get my G5 single to not chug. Kinda weird since I can almost always watch the H.264 off the Apple Trailers site.

Any ideas


Check the specs. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/specs.html

Your system might be too slow, my friend.

-CJ

[Justin_Kirch]

Nobody's using VHS cameras to learn color balancing and framing. We all want the best tools to use for any job we do whether we're skilled or not.

You need to use that DVX to make you money to get you an HVX and new computer. :)


Well yah, VHS camera were out of date many years ago. I'm just saying that the HVX isn't officially shipping yet and they think the DVX is dead. That's ridiculous thinking in my opinion.

[ProjX v2.0]

Are there WMV-HD and raw samples coming? I didn't see it in the 15000 posts in this thread already :)

[ArkhamFilms]

But if they keep updating on new formats and new technologies, how will they get better?


No offense man, but focus on your own skills and stop wasting time worrying about others.

-CJ

[ProjX v2.0]

Well yah, VHS camera were out of date many years ago. I'm just saying that the HVX isn't officially shipping yet and they think the DVX is dead. That's ridiculous thinking in my opinion.

I can honestly say I was debating whether to go for a new DVX100B or a new HVX. Then I saw them performing side by side. It's a no brainer which one I'm going for. The DVX is certainly not dead but the HVX did help put one foot in the grave.

[Damon Botsford]

So have we concluded that we do not have a genuine 1080P clip yet?

[Justin_Kirch]

I'm not wasting any time. I'm not worrying about others either Arkham, I'm just stating what I think. If you read the rest of what I've wrote it says I'm going to master my DVX. No offense to you, but I think you read me wrong.


And yes Damon, we have a 1080p clip.

http://www.dvxuser.com/showdown/h264/

[J.R. Hudson]

Justin? Just because you can't get this does'nt mean other's can't. Don't sweat it man.


I can't get the 1080 to open at all; anyone? (No issues with the 720p)

[khmuse]

:thumbup:

:thumbup:

Impressive!

[jessecoane]

1080 worked for me but it is 1280x720.

regardless the 720p looks fantastic (better than the 1080 but thhe subjects are much different also)

so good so far

jesse

[delaro]

i m waiting for this cam for 1 year, i hope the next footages will be better than that ..... my z1 footages are better. waiting for cinegamma stuffs

[wabbit]

Wow, this thread might be breaking records in replies/time. :grin:

This computer plays the video pretty chunky, I will have to check it out on one of our Avids. What I did see was very impressive. Way to go Panasonic! (thanks to Jarred and Barry of course :) ).

22 days and counting...

[Justin_Kirch]

Guys, gees. I'm excited for everyone getting the HVX. Good for you, I wish I could get one. I'm just mostly upset at the fact that those of us who are stuck with the DVX are left in the cold from what some people say here.

I'm glad a lot of you can afford the HVX and will be working with the new format. It just feels like a slap in the face to me who has a DVX and you people say it's dead. I still think I can make incredible images with my DVX.

No one get me wrong here. If you are already getting an HVX, then go ahead, and if you can afford when, then by all means get it! Work on your skills with the camera. I'm not pissed off guys, but I think everyone here is taking offense to what I'm saying or have said.

[J.R. Hudson]

i ..... my z1 footages are better.

Show us the money baby!

[penfever]

Yeah, well -
I don't have anything that'll display native 1080 anyhow. But take another look at that second clip, particularly part 2, where there isn't smoke obscuring everything. The color on the coke can and the various pieces of glass, lights, pool balls, etc. Notice anything different? Oh yeah, it looks twice as vibrant as the best DVX footage out there.
I don't care if it's standard, 720, whatever, but the kind of composition you can do with that color...phew. Good night.
I live in fear of HVX entries in SciFest.:embarasse

[Isaac_Brody]

Guys, gees. I'm excited for everyone getting the HVX. Good for you, I wish I could get one. I'm just mostly upset at the fact that those of us who are stuck with the DVX are left in the cold from what some people say here.

I'm glad a lot of you can afford the HVX and will be working with the new format. It just feels like a slap in the face to me who has a DVX and you people say it's dead. I still think I can make incredible images with my DVX.

No one get me wrong here. If you are already getting an HVX, then go ahead, and if you can afford when, then by all means get it! Work on your skills with the camera. I'm not pissed off guys, but I think everyone here is taking offense to what I'm saying or have said.

No sweat man. Keep shooting. I think for some people who don't have a camera it will make more sense to get an HVX because it's basically a DVX plus HD.

[Chris Messineo]

That's awesome!

I can't wait to get mine.

Have Jarred and Barry posted their thoughts/review of the camera anywhere yet?

Chris

[esperman]

Stuck with a DVX?? Geez. You have a great camera to work with....
an HVX won't save anyone's ass on a project if they don't know what
they are doing.
As long as there is a need for SD...then don't worry about it.

[J.R. Hudson]

Why cant I open 1080? HELP?!

[NO CA$H]

I think the HVX is too hardcore for me.

[NO CA$H]

Why cant I open 1080? HELP?!

What does it do when you try to open it?

[xl70e3]

Not taking offense, Justin, I see your point. I say we let it go and jump on delaro instead :cheesy:

I mean... better than z1? what the..?

EDIT: It's impossible to reply here, thread grows just too damn fast. Gonna have to quote from now on.

[delaro]

saying that i m a bit disappointed by these shots, i feel like being the antechrist here ....

[harlan]

Yeah, well -
I don't have anything that'll display native 1080 anyhow. But take another look at that second clip, particularly part 2, where there isn't smoke obscuring everything. The color on the coke can and the various pieces of glass, lights, pool balls, etc. Notice anything different? Oh yeah, it looks twice as vibrant as the best DVX footage out there.
I don't care if it's standard, 720, whatever, but the kind of composition you can do with that color...phew. Good night.
I live in fear of HVX entries in SciFest.:embarasse


Oh get a life mister 2 posts... and come back when you know what you're talking about. ;)

[J.R. Hudson]

Nothing; but I think I need to open at Home with DVD PLayer or something. It's telling me it's not an MOV File

[Justin_Kirch]

Well, Cash admits it! hehe. It does seem a little overwhelming of a camera.

[rgdfilms]

That 1080 footage is cheesy as hell! This stuff looks so awesome !!! 3 hours till dvexpo

[NO CA$H]

Thats the same thing that happend to me and I just downloaded it again and it worked.

[MojoTrancer]

The 720 clip is quite groovy. Not so sure I'm digging the 1080 clip though. But since I'm still struggling to come up with the scratch for even a used DVX, this bad boy is a bit out of price range for me.

Maybe Christmas 2006...

[philnerd]

<snip>It just feels like a slap in the face to me who has a DVX and you people say it's dead. I still think I can make incredible images with my DVX.

Of course one can make incredible images with the DVX. So why do you care if some users think the DVX is dead? Hey, I think standard definition is dead, period. Its all opinions man, no biggie. Unless someone directly calls you a dork, I'm not sure you should take anything written in these forums as a slap in the face. Who am I kidding, I don't think I'd even care if someone did call me a dork on a forum :)


Philip Williams

[Justin_Kirch]

Nothing; but I think I need to open at Home with DVD PLayer or something. It's telling me it's not an MOV File


John, a few of us had this problem. It's possible that you didn't download the whole file. Just retry it and see what happens.

[delaro]

Not taking offense, Justin, I see your point. I say we let it go and jump on delaro instead :cheesy:

I mean... better than z1? what the..?

EDIT: It's impossible to reply here, thread grows just too damn fast. Gonna have to quote from now on.

come on guy, i don t care .... i m just giving my point of view, i don t really want to be part of a nerds fight. my feeling is just that a lot of people are waiting this cam for so long that, if the next footages we ll see are not better, it will take weeks before people start to say it s not as beautifull as they were expecting

[im.thatoneguy]

Something seems very very wrong with the 1080 footage. Everything has terrible horizontal smearing. Back to waiting for uncompressed 1080p Tiffs. The 720 stuff seems to be lacking said smearing.

Any chance we could get a DIVX HD for us poor users who don't have 3ghz+ systems. Their codec is infinitely better compressed in my opinion. Or WMV HD. Quicktime HD, is in my mind rediculous, I have a 2.2 Ghz system with a gig of RAM, and their movies always lag even at 720p.

[mikkowilson]

If the original file is getting bogged down, hit my mirror at: http://mikko.n3.net/hvx200
- there's also some screenshots from my player (not acurate for resolution) there for those who can't get/view the clips.

- Mikko

[Justin_Kirch]

Of course one can make incredible images with the DVX. So why do you care if some users think the DVX is dead? Hey, I think standard definition is dead, period. Its all opinions man, no biggie. Unless someone directly calls you a dork, I'm not sure you should take anything written in these forums as a slap in the face. Who am I kidding, I don't think I'd even care if someone did call me a dork on a forum :)


Philip Williams


Philip, I am one to become defensive. This mostly occurs when people don't understand what I'm trying to say. So in essence, it's my fault for not fully making things comprehendable. I will save for an HVX, it'll just take me 10 years to get there, lol.

[Damon Botsford]

Just look at that film-like motion feel on the 720 clip. I like it!
That's one small step for man... one giant leap for Indy filmmakers.

[J.R. Hudson]

Thanks Mikko for the mirrors.

(I'm DL'ing once more Justin and Ca$h)

[NO CA$H]

The thing is I could probably afford the camera alone but the p2 cards and the new editing system Is a nother story.

[bgundu]

Both clips show 1280x720 and 60FPS? I'm still not crazy about H264 compression either. Although the first clip looks better compressed than the second one.

[NO CA$H]

I think the 1080 clip looks great, especially the first shot with the guy shooting pool. Great camera work too.

[khmuse]

Got to agree with NOCA$H, the pool tabel shot is very cool.

[Justin_Kirch]

man, no one likes the 1080 clip besides a few of us here. i think it looks good. i think people are mistaking the opening shot of the 1080 clip for crap because of how much smoke is diffusing the light. it looks great if you just get passed the smoke part.

[harlan]

Any chance we could get a DIVX HD for us poor users who don't have 3ghz+ systems. Their codec is infinitely better compressed in my opinion. Or WMV HD. Quicktime HD, is in my mind rediculous, I have a 2.2 Ghz system with a gig of RAM, and their movies always lag even at 720p.


Not to be annoying, but I'm sitting in front of a 1.79Ghz Athlon 3000+ computer right now, and it plays both clips back just fine. There are some visible compression artifacts from the H.264, but they play back smoothly.

[Benton]

Dont despair No Cash

the mother of invention is in your ability to be ingenious because of necessity.
...record the HVX to a laptop, or rent a P2 card and download it to a firewireHD after each shot. There are a variety of ways to work with the camera...

I am gonna do something Like this, for editing I will be jumping with my hard drives between 2-3 setups (friends & places i work etc)...

[harlan]

Oh, I think the 1080 clip looks great, it's the interaction of the talent that looks hokey. The DOF is a little wacky in the 1080 clip, but other than that it looks great. One could do a LOT with this camera!!!

[ProjX v2.0]

I'm getting no joy from my 1.8Ghz Athlon 2200+

No smooth joy anyways.

[HVXguy]

i m waiting for this cam for 1 year, i hope the next footages will be better than that ..... my z1 footages are better. waiting for cinegamma stuffs

I was looking at the Sony HDV footage from the Sony site.
This HVX footage blows it away - no comparision. It beats that Sony demo footage hands down. Panasonic needs to take these clips and do a WMV HD encode so people can compare the two competing formats.

[NO CA$H]

Dont despair No Cash

the mother of invention is in tour ability to be ingenious because of necessity.
record the HVX to a laptop, or rest a P2 card and download it to a firewire after each shot. There are a variety of ways to work with the camera...

I am gonna do something Like this, for editing I will be jumping with my hard drives between 2-3 setups (friends & places i work etc)...

Just two days ago I bought a Sony DSR-11 deck and a Sony PVM-9L1. I'm just now getting my SD editing system set up.

And I've only made one short film on my DVX so far and that was my student film.

[Justin_Kirch]

AMD processors do run more smoothly than pentiums when it comes to media playback and game play. it also depends on the amount of ram you have. i have a 2.25ghz P4 with 512mbs of ram, so all in all it's jerky, but the images still look good.

[ArkhamFilms]

man, no one likes the 1080 clip besides a few of us here. i think it looks good. i think people are mistaking the opening shot of the 1080 clip for crap because of how much smoke is diffusing the light. it looks great if you just get passed the smoke part.

There's something wrong with the compression. It's not displaying the full res, and it's a 1280x720 frame.

-CJ

[Spiff_2]

Hm... Yup - the 1080 clip appears to have been scaled to 1280x720, and rather poorly... leading to the lines. This file is 60p and the cadence between the frames isn't even. I think it was shot 1080p24 (2:3?) and the pull-down wasn't removed prior to scaling. Nothing in the bar clip/sequence appeals to me... Be it the set or the lighting. The interlace artifacts detract from the presentation as well.

The 720p clip has been upsampled to 1280x720. The clip itself is actually 60p with repeated frames in a 2:3 arrangement... That is to say that the pull-down has not been removed. Given the source material one might expect to see some noise or artifacting but the H.264 compression probably gets rid of a lot of that if it was there.

The only thing these clips make particularly clear to me is that there are workflow issues in terms of getting this stuff to the web.

Question: If the camera only records the required 24 frames per second to P2 in 720p mode - why is the file 60P? Was this introduced by the editing program? If so, was it possible to do frame-accurate edits, or was cutting done in a 60P timeline?

-Spiff

[harlan]

AMD processors do run more smoothly than pentiums when it comes to media playback and game play. it also depends on the amount of ram you have. i have a 2.25ghz P4 with 512mbs of ram, so all in all it's jerky, but the images still look good.


Oh. Yeah I could see it being a little jerky with 512MB of ram.

[ProjX v2.0]

By the way, is that Tosh doing all that gung foo?

[ArkhamFilms]

Oh, I think the 1080 clip looks great, it's the interaction of the talent that looks hokey. The DOF is a little wacky in the 1080 clip, but other than that it looks great. One could do a LOT with this camera!!!

I guess they had the inherent smoke problem of trying to get it consistent with each shot.

-CJ

[harlan]

You guys are more than welcome to email me off-list and I'll see if I can help rid your H.264 of jitters. I'm not an expert or anything, but after a shitload of trial and error on this PC I finally got it to play nicely.

[harlan]

That kung-fu clip was pretty f##kin cool though, the footage held up quite well I thought.

Great job guys, the clips are mucho appreciatado!!!

[philnerd]

<snip>
Question: If the camera only records the required 24 frames per second to P2 in 720p mode - why is the file 60P? Was this introduced by the editing program? If so, was it possible to do frame-accurate edits, or was cutting done in a 60P timeline?

-Spiff


I seem to recall from somewhere (probably the new brochure) that 720P can be recorded as actual frames (ie 24 frames per second only) OR in 60P with redundent frames (I believe this might be for compatability with varicam footage - don't quote me on this stuff though).

Philip Williams

[J.R. Hudson]

Got it (1080)

They both look really nice. I like the 1080 but the shot is kind of 'Ehhh'. It'd be better if lighted more theatrical; it's so flat because of the lighting and levels.

A simple fix:

http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/9875/dvxexample6nx.jpg

[bgundu]

I suspect they used Compressor to compress the files and something got messed up with the settings.

[Justin_Kirch]

anyone else live in the dallas/fort worth area....we're actually getting some cool weather. check this out!


http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=12/34016164399.jpg&s=x12

[Shiloh Arts]

Nice great quality footage, only think I noticed was a drop out in the 720p version about 13-14 secs into it.

Thanks guys! I owe you one:beer:

[harlan]

Got it (1080)

They both look really nice. I like the 1080 but the shot is kind of 'Ehhh'. It'd be better if lighted more theatrical; it's so flat because of the lighting and levels.


Sheeesh... that one ball looks friggin nuclear now!! ;)

[NO CA$H]

anyone else live in the dallas/fort worth area....we're actually getting some cool weather. check this out!


http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=12/34016164399.jpg&s=x12

South Fla is weird right now. We keep getting these cold fronts and lots of rain.

[Justin_Kirch]

and nice cc john. looks awesome!

[obendega]

Yeah Justin I live in Dallas as well.

Lovin' the weather! About 1/4 inch of ice on our stairs. WOOHOO!!

Btw, my name is Justin as well. : )

-Justin O'Neill
www.podsafeaudio.com

[Justin_Kirch]

feels like 7 degrees.......that's no good lol!

[obendega]

I grew up in the Seattle area so this is nothin' ' )

Didn't walk to school barefoot though...

-Justin O'Neill
www.podsafeaudio.com

[delaro]

i have to admit that after a good color correction it looks a lot better

[Ernest_Acosta]

Ok, I just jumped on this thread. The images are awesome. For all worrying about the 1080 footage, don't fret. If you went to Resfest, that footage was 1080i and on the big screen it looked freaking beautiful, so 1080p footage should theoretically be better. I thought the shot of the pool table had good shallow depth of field. Juan who did the mod for the DVX need to get this camera and pull a 4:4:4 uncompressed signal out of it. It was worth the wait for this camera and IMHO it blows away the Canon, JVC and Sony prosumer cameras. I'm sure there will be more about the camera in the coming days.

[Jarred Land]

Sorry guys.. pretty nuts over here.

Barry and Jan are on the floor of the Expo if anyone wants to see him at DVexpo, and Im going back and forth. Lots of HVX's around.

I will try and encode a WMV-HD file for people that cant watch quicktime flavours.

As for the raw files.. I will think about it, remember, 30 seconds is a 500mb file.

[nicholasraeburn]

Ha ha look at us all HVX junkies looking for our next fix. Also does anyone know if any other thread has generated so many replies in so little time. Been on the site for some time but never seen this kind of activity in such a short space of time. Thank you Jarred youve made my christmas.:)

[Stevet]

Dang that 720P looks good!

The 1080 is only 720 and appears to have something scaling wise wrong with it.

Thank You Panny. It looks great !!!


Steve

[johnc]

Why cant I open 1080? HELP?!

Make sure you have the entire 54,747KB of data. Also try downloading again by selecting 'save target as'. Just a thought.

johnc

[J.R. Hudson]

Jarred?

Can someone get outside and shoot some EXTERIORS? Should be a nice sunset this evening in L.A.

[shaftbond]

as john pointed out, definitely in need of some color correction, but otherwise looked good. the 1080 was chunky on my crap system but i think i got the gist. thanks for the share guys. some slomo stuff would be killer ;)

[mikkowilson]

Sorry for what big J?!?

You guy's totally DELIVERED! ..and 2 mins early I might add :-D

- Mikko

[NO CA$H]

Jarred?

Can someone get outside and shoot some EXTERIORS? Should be a nice sunset this evening in L.A.

Yeah thats what I wanna see:thumbsup:

[Isaac_Brody]

Hey Jarred, would it be possible to setup a bittorrent file to share the large files? It would be a lot easier for a lot of us to share the files and use our bandwidth rather than max out the DVXuser bandwidth. Just a thought.

[Shiloh Arts]

Sheeesh... that one ball looks friggin nuclear now!! ;)

Are you serious? WOw in TX....you'd never thought...actually don't feel so bad were expecting 6 9 inches of snow here in Boston with-in only a couple of hours.

[Emanuel]

Well...all the dvxuser.com community...downloading...what a memorable day!...

[Shiloh Arts]

Jarred?

Can someone get outside and shoot some EXTERIORS? Should be a nice sunset this evening in L.A.


They gave you guys the camera to play with?:thumbsup: Nice!

[J.R. Hudson]

Well...all the dvxuser.com community...downloading...what a memorable day!...

LOL

This thread has to be setting records. :cheesy:

[NO CA$H]

Theres 335 people in the HVX news section.

[nicholasraeburn]

3.2 posts per second. The servers can't handle it SHES GONNA BLOW.:grin:

[mikkowilson]

and a current rate of just over 1.4 posts a minute... sustained for coming up on 2 hours..

[ArkhamFilms]

Ha ha look at us all HVX junkies looking for our next fix. Alos does anyone know if any other thread has generated so many replies in so little time. Been on the site for some time but never seen this kind of activity in such a short space of time. Thank you Jarred youve made my christmas.:)

Probably not since the initial announcement of the HVX at NAB.

-CJ

[harlan]

BTW, There was a gamma correction bug in H.264. I was under the impression that it had been fixed, but apparently not - it tends to make things look washed out. Exporting the Bar Scene clip out to another CODEC greatly improves the gamma.

[ProjX v2.0]

Theres 335 people in the HVX news section.

And each one is pressing Refresh every 2 seconds hoping to be the first person to download something new. :grin:

[nicholasraeburn]

I'm glad its almost bedtime here in the UK cause I think im gonna feint from all the excitement I dont even think ill be this excited when my first child is born.

[Jeff Brown]

What a time for a first post eh?

I've been a smirking Lurker for a few weeks now and thought this'd be a good time to join (if only to keep the post per minute rate up!).

Great footage.

My order for the PAL version will be going in asap.

[Stevet]

Thanks Jarred. I would like to see the WMV-HD. It tends to play and look better on my setup.

Thank you

[Shiloh Arts]

Well...all the dvxuser.com community...downloading...what a memorable day!...

and memorable it shall be!:cheesy: :thumbsup: :beer: I can't even find enough facial expressions!

[The Machinist]

"I think we're gonna need a bigger processor.....and Ram.....and a few harddrives...."

[Justin_Kirch]

i think i set a record for mosts post in a day in the same thread!

[NO CA$H]

I'd be more excited if I was actually buying one.

You lucky bastards!!!

[Shiloh Arts]

LOL

This thread has to be setting records. :cheesy:

I think every one is going to get 1000k postings by the end of the night!

[mikkowilson]

So you've all been here: http://www.dvxuser.com/showdown/

But have you noticed that the BEST stuff is in the "Parent Directory" :thumbsup:

- Mikko

[Emanuel]

Done: circa 7 min.s and a half to 1080 file, 6 min.s and a half to 720, at same time @123 KB/s, not bad, really good, indeed.

[Shiloh Arts]

Jarred,

Are you guys staying there till the last day? Man the views just shot up from 5 thousand to 8k in 1sec!

[Justin_Kirch]

time for me to take a break from this thread. i've been following it all day, seriously. take it easy guys...i'll have to catch up on stuff later.

[thenumber19]

This stuff looks great, but I'd love to see how this camera performs under more natural conditions, especially outdoors. That'll be the true test for me.

[NO CA$H]

Can't the HVX do slow motion without messing with the resolution?

I'd like to see some slo mo.

[harlan]

WTF Justin, you can't leave now!!!!

[ProjX v2.0]

In case anyone is having problems viewing the mov files while we wait for the WMV-HD versions:

Using Quicktime Pro, you can re-encode the .mov files to 59.94fps .avi files and they should run smooth as butta now even if they're now 200MB each

[Shiloh Arts]

such a memoriable day that I had to update my avatar...yup that's me! Any news yet on the CCD's?