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Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 11:55 AM
Sunrise in Florida……….
Here are some grabs…uncompressed no color correction, fresh out of the DVX.

http://members.aol.com/cani23/Morn.jpg

http://members.aol.com/cani23/Morn1.jpg

http://members.aol.com/cani23/Morn2.jpg

http://members.aol.com/cani23/Morn3.jpg

Here’s a movie that goes along with it. The compression never does the real thing justice. If somebody can tell me a trick how to get a great looking video like I see sometimes posted without having mega and mega of file size……… please tell me.

http://members.aol.com/cani23/morning.rm

Please tell me what you think. Thanks

Gregor

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 12:49 PM
Nice looking grabs.

Check the exposure next time; the sky was blown way out.

Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 12:54 PM
John....... what do you mean exactly by that? It was way to bright? And you are talking about pic3 ? Should I have the zebra on all the time? How do otherwise see when it is too bright???
Thanks
Gregor

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 01:09 PM
I hate ZEBRAS. *:D

Funny, in the grabs they look better, but in the actual footage it seemed way blown out. * It can go either way. *The blow out lends a certain 'mood' to the scene.

Its just my opinion; I personally love detailed skies, which I knowcan have many variables, such as ND, Filters, EXPOSURE, Conditions, etc. --- I look at the sky first and foremost when it dominates a frame.

It is nice stuff! *Didnt mean to fret you :(


Do you remember the settings? Specifically:

ND or NO ND ?

Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 01:24 PM
No ND...........I know that for sure.
But I still like to know about the exposure. As you know I am very new at this. So...... how can you tell it is too much? Some say under expose by 2 steps to make it great looking. If I don't have a light meter, what is telling me what's too much or were the correct setting is?? It was F5 bdw.

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 01:37 PM
Don't take my word for it! :P I'm no expert by any means!

I thought the grabs were very good! Very ambiaotic. Set's the mood completely.

I wonder if with the ND on 1/8th if it could not have revealed more detail through the mist and washed out sky. Just a matter of preference though!

Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 02:26 PM
John........ master :) please. We are talking away from each other. I know the grabs look great.... thanks. And I know the over exposure is a matter of opinion in the end.... so I do not have a problem with what you said at all.
But back to my question... I still like to know about the exposure. As you know I am very new at this. So...... how can you tell it is too much? Generally spoken. Not in this movie. Some say under expose by 2 steps to make it great looking.
If I don't have a light meter, what is telling me what's too much or were the correct setting is if I don't shoot in auto exposure?

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 02:37 PM
LOL You never know who is going to take offense! :D

ZEBRAS (which I will never use again). Did the sky look blown out when you actually shot it? I assume it is WYSIWYG?

Did you manually expose or did you have it set to auto?

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 02:42 PM
http://www.zoomforce.com/dvxuser/photos/images/24174154.jpg

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 02:45 PM
Good question about WHAT IS TELLING US

I guess we have to rely on the camera if no light meter or monitor is available.

ZEBRAS will tell you.

I always hit AUTO IRIS ( - 2 ) to see what CAM reccomends and then adjust it to my particualr look.

But isnt it better to overexpose and crush later in POST anyway? :P

Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 03:29 PM
aha............. ok now I get it a bit better. Thanks John......

Gregor

btw............ I love the pic you posted........ hahahaha :-)

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 03:43 PM
Im such an ass.

For me, it's the skies. *Exposing for the highlights. *I guess we cant all run around with the Arri kit. *For us, its a matter of eyeballing.

Hate to see a great sky washed out. *Love to see the pinks, oranges, blue and cloud detail. *

Yeah, I was trippin in photoshop, I was manipulating it in a hundred ways. *

Also, check the shadows! When you look at a treeline for example, it is always dark, especially backlighted by sun.

Gregi_23
01-25-2004, 05:22 PM
John,

If you knew how much I like the sky. Probably as much as you do. But for some reason, I just did not pay any attention to it this morning. I have to train my eyes more to see everything……. Not just the bottom. Thanks so much for everything.
Gregor

J.R. Hudson
01-25-2004, 06:49 PM
Word.

I recently read an article where they actually did the skies in OPEN RANGE in post. Im thinking they had no choice as they shot it OUTSIDE and ran into similar issues with exposure?