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daniel r
10-04-2005, 01:59 PM
Recently I found a lot of discussion here about the issue of HD lenses and their ability to deliver high resolution for 1/3 inch sensor. Particulary, Barry Green in another thread went into specifics -

"Lens size isn't necessarily a limiting factor, but the lens' ability to resolve at a rate of 200 line-pairs-per-millimeter. With 720p the needs are less stringent, but for full 1080 you need almost 200lp/mm........

I'm kinda confused here: how come my relatively cheap compact digital camera (powershot s70) has a resolution of 7MP on a 1/1.8 inch sensor and still is reasonably sharp? 7 megapixels on a 0.55 inch more dense than 2 megapixels of HD on a 0.33 inch.

Barry then went on - "The other limitation is diffraction, because once you get down to where your pixels are 3 microns across, you start running into limitations caused by the size of the wave of light. So you'll likely have a very limited f-stop range within which the image could be resolved; stopping down beyond f/5.6 may introduce diffraction and lower the perceived sharpness. For this reason, the Canon lens is limited to f/9.5, and the Sony has a menu option to force the aperture to go no smaller than f/8 or f/5.6 (your choice)."

This is probably the answer to my question - and my digital camera probably does suffer from that kind of diffractiion.

Does it mean that there is only so much resolution any lens can deliver on a 1/3 inch area and beyond that it is not sharper but to the contrary - less sharp???
This is important because so far the discussion about the "ideal" sensor resolution was SHARPNESS vs LATITUDE.

Graeme_Nattress
10-04-2005, 06:39 PM
Smaller lenses are cheaper, and digicams have very different lens geometry - no beam splitting prism etc. and they don't have to care if the lens breathes like mad when you pull focus. All this and more means that on a digicam, you can get away with an awful lot more than you can on video.

Graeme

daniel r
10-06-2005, 12:05 PM
I'm sorry I have discovered I had my math a bit wrong - talking about a surface I should have multipled those 1/3 and 1/1,8s - that is why a 2/3 inch sensor is four times bigger than a 1/3 inch one. This means that pixel density is more similar between my digicam and 1920x1080 on a 1/3 inch sensor even though the digicams is still more dense. Another interesting thing I discovered is that this digicam's sensor ain't that small - it's much closer to 2/3 inch than 1/3 inch (remember the camera only costs maybe 400 dollars). So there's another questions - why are the 2/3 ich sensor cameras so ridiculously expensive?

Policar
10-06-2005, 12:20 PM
My digital rebel xt was under 800 with lens. APS-C sized sensor (22mmX15mm versus like 4.8mmX3.6 for dvx.) Then again, it only uses one sensor and shoots 3fps, not 30.

Then again, you can get rockwell CMOS chips for $700 or so which are 1920X1080 2/3''.

I think one issue is that in the photograph world, pros and amateurs both use 35mm. But in the video world, amateurs have always used 16mm or 8mm. So....it will be a while until 35mm sensors are availible in prosumer cameras (read: never.) They're like medium format digital still cameras, which are absurdly expensive and have monstrous workflows.