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Wayne Kinney
09-20-2005, 06:31 AM
Hello Folks,
Just thought now was a good time to announce that the commercial version of my spinning glass adapter will be availible to buy, by the end of this month. The new 'SG35' adapter focuses on quality while attempting to overcome most of the 35mm adapter limitations, like grain, vignetting, distortion, light loss, limited aperture use, limited shutter speed use, creating an adapter that gives quality with minimum limits on creative control.

Here are two video's showing the results from my prototype:

http://tinyurl.com/cgazu

http://tinyurl.com/aqpaf

The adapter will come with a 15mm rod support, that will be adjustable to suit different camcorders.

One thing to keep in mind is it wont come with macro/acromat. It will come with 58mm thread size, so the buyer will provide his/her own macro, then screw the adpater onto his/her own macro. The case will be a black ABS plastic project box. Would people perfer a glossy or matte finish?

I see this as a better option anyway, as it gives the buyer the freedom to choose the macro/acromat that best suits their camcorder and personal preference. I will provide exact distance between filter thread and GG so potential buyers test if they need a macro or not by trying to frame and focus on a 36x24mm frame from that distance.

My asking price will be £150 (around $270) for the adapter with 15mm rod support, plus postage and packing.

Ill get more video and shots of the unit up as soon as it happens.

Any questions please feel free to ask.

Thanks
Wayne.

Jay Rodriguez
09-20-2005, 06:45 AM
downloading now


Ok, looks really good to me..... I'd like to see what the unit looks like though..... Also I'd like to see the range of this until. What does it look like if you had a close up of a computer key board? If you had the camera sitting on the right side looking left can you blur out one side and focus on the other?

Also, what is the artist and song names on both of them clips? I like the music alot! thanks man.

Wayne Kinney
09-20-2005, 07:03 AM
Hi coffee,
Thanks for your interest.
Ill get pics of the unit up by the end of the week (hopefully).

The focus range is decided by the 35mm lens your using with the unit. Im using a 50mm nikon F1.4, which can focus 60cm away fromt he lens and no nearer, so not the kind of lens to use for the shot you describe. However, its possible to adjust the flange focus length and focus on closer objects, not what the lens was designed to do, but its possible, and creates insanly shallow DOF, perfect for what your talking about. Ill get a shot of my keyboard using my adapter and upload for you.

The clips used songs by Duran Duran, im a big 80's fan im afriad;) First song was Come Undone, second was Reach up for the Sunshine.

Wayne.

Wayne Kinney
09-20-2005, 07:16 AM
Here is a quick test:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/keyboard.jpg

Forgive the graininess of my 1 chip panasonic in low light, but this was only to show the shallow focus.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Ed Kishel
09-20-2005, 05:12 PM
Your cat doesnt seem to impressed! JK :happy: My cat doesnt like being taped either.

footage looks pretty good. Will you have any uncompressed clips so that we may import into a timeline and see what it looks like on a monitor?

So it comes with a 58mm thread mount and no macro: so the DVX user would need a 72mm - 58mm step down ring, and then onto that we attach a 58mm macro?

270 smackers is a reasonable price, but how many clams does the DVX user need to shell out total with the needed add ons?

Ed

Wayne Kinney
09-20-2005, 05:59 PM
Hi, thanks for your interest.

A small 10 second DV compressed clip can be downloaded here: http://tinyurl.com/bz9d3

Yes your completely correct about the stepdown ring and macro. Im not sure about price of macro's. I'll do some research into that and get back to ya all.

Thanks,
Wayne.

khmuse
09-20-2005, 06:07 PM
Seems like an interesting product. Would love to see some images of the actual adapter. Just now downloading the uncompressed clip, I'll be interested to see how it looks.

Jay Rodriguez
09-20-2005, 08:17 PM
downloading the clip now. thanks for the music tips and the pic of the keyboard.

bikefilms
09-20-2005, 08:23 PM
A 52mm macro or macro set should sell for around 80-100$.

You'd have to get a 52mm or 58mm, right? That's how I have done it.

Ed Kishel
09-20-2005, 09:36 PM
I would guess the best quality would be a century optics achromatic diopter (aka macro with no distortion). A 58mm would go for about $250-$300.

However, it depends on how much zooming needs to be done through the device to eliminate vignetting and distortion, case in point:

I'm using the 'ol ebay $20 macro by "asian" brand in my static adapter project. The glass is crap, but if you zoom through enough you get a pretty good image (roughly 50% from the center). Its using the best part of the glass.

I am looking foreward to this SG35. Since you are manufacturing these for sale, you should contact Barry G to include it in the review he will do with the Guerrilla 35 and micro35.

reservoir
09-20-2005, 10:01 PM
It's raining 35mm DOF products. Cool. Can't wait to see the production version. I'm sure a Review from Barry will be forthcoming as well.

~reservoir~

Jack_Felis
09-20-2005, 11:21 PM
Congratulations Wayne! You finally made an adapter that "works with the GL1 motherf***er!".

Hope it's a success! :thumbsup:

BLUESPIDER
09-21-2005, 12:23 AM
Man, it looks really good! A lot sharper IMO than the micro. Okay, I want one.. I want to test it. Let me know.. Thanks

Daniel Skubal
09-21-2005, 12:29 AM
Congratulations Wayne! You finally made an adapter that "works with the GL1 motherf***er!".

Hope it's a success! :thumbsup:

LOL is that a holyzoo reference? That video was hilarious!!

Yas Kassana
09-21-2005, 08:40 AM
Looks good Wayne. Looks very good. Are you based in the UK?

Yas Kassana
09-21-2005, 09:02 AM
What macro/achromat are you using Wayne?

Dizkoteck
09-21-2005, 09:51 PM
I love this song!!!
What is it though?

Spinning_AdapterTest03


One more thing, Is there a midpriced Acromat/Macro? I too have the Asian brand 10x, which so far has worked well for me. But if theres something better out that that I havent experienced, I sure would love to know.

Wayne Kinney
09-22-2005, 03:50 AM
Thanks for all youre interest guys.
I hope to have a pic of the unit with 15mm rods support up my satuarday night. Yes im from the UK. the holyzoo reference made me laugh;)

Im not using a macro with my particular camcorder, as it can focus on the 36x24 frame without any trouble. I'll do some research to see what the best macro power would b for use on this adapter. You can get the macro that best suits for cam/preference/pocket, and use a step up/down ring to connect to the adapter if needed.

The Music in both clips is Duran Duran, im an 80's fan im afriad. Spinning_AdapterTest03 used 'Come Undone', and the next slip usd 'Reach up for the Sunshine'

Wayne Kinney
09-22-2005, 07:26 AM
OK guys,
I know people have been wanting to see the unit, but it is not to the point of being a finished product. So instead I have put together 2 of the 15mm rods together with a small piece of hardboard, and my prototype adapter together with my panny cam just for you guys to get a good idea of the size of the unit. adapter box is 150x100x60mm. Notice the small rotary knob on top for speed control.

The final rods support will have a 12mm thick base for the cam to sit on, and another 12mm base that rests on the tripod. Anyhow, this pic is just so you guys can get a 'feel' for the size of the thing.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/unit%20prototype.jpg

Any input would be great.
Thanks,
Wayne.

Daniel Skubal
09-22-2005, 10:26 AM
I dunno if you can make this product, man. The micro 35 guys might have some patents... that looks way similar to theirs.

Wayne Kinney
09-22-2005, 10:46 AM
Thanks for your comments,

My unit has been devoloping for the past month over at dvinfo.net, where the micro35 originated, the micro35 guys are there each day, im sure they would have said something by now.

Differences are, i wanted to build an adapter using real glass, and not plastic like the micro35. I have developed my own method for spinning the glass which is unique. The Idea to spin ground glass came 2 years ago from Agus Casse with the 'Agus35', which inpired both my adapter and the mico35.

Here is some new test footage http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/testfootage3.mov

Thanks,
Wayne.

Yas Kassana
09-22-2005, 10:57 AM
Nice footage - i like the colours and contrast. Very nice.

Wayne Kinney
09-22-2005, 11:11 AM
Hi Yas,
Yes, I think the colours and contrast is 1 thing that sets my adapter apart from the rest. I 'treat' my ground glass with a 'secret ingredient';) which gives much better contrast and colour and also less light loss.

Thanks, Wayne.

Ed Kishel
09-22-2005, 11:33 AM
I dunno if you can make this product, man. The micro 35 guys might have some patents... that looks way similar to theirs.
I'm sure that the micro35 has some VERY similar parts to the p&s technik 35.

Special ingredient, hmmm. Is it paprika? Anyhoo, I'm working on a static adapter using the Nikon D focusing screen (I also hang around dvinfo.com), and have had some decent results.

Your last post states your test camera needs no macro. That will make a big difference for the rest of us, as "affordable" macros often lead to color smearing around the edges.

LloydC
09-22-2005, 12:27 PM
have you tested it with a DVX100?

looks very good by the way

Wayne Kinney
09-22-2005, 01:01 PM
In the process of testing it with a dvx100...

Thanks,
Wayne

Wayne Kinney
10-07-2005, 09:40 AM
OK, updated guys.

I have taken two pics of the SG35 unit:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/SG35_01.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/SG35_02.jpg

Has speed control at the top and power socket on the side to connect to either battery pack (8 AA's) or a 12v main supply.

There is a more expensive power option should the user wish to use it. This is the use of 3 cell Lithium Polymer packs. These give 11.1v, can be bought in very high capacities meaning long life, and are very light. They do require a special charger though.

I chose the 8AA batteries in my design for the best mix of price/accessibility. The user is by no means stuck with this power option.


I have not quite finished the support rods, so a pic of this will follow this weekend, along with the promised footage.

I have a contact with a DVX100 in the next town from me, will be meeting up with him in a week or so to test out the unit. Ill post the footage of that soon along with pics of the DVX100 on the SG35.

Any comments welcome,
Thanks,
Wayne.

Laffen
10-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Will the support rods be standard size so that one can attach a follow focus system (DVX100)??

This looks very promising!!! and with your suggested price this could really be a killer for the price-consious amateurs.

Will this be some kind of a package with all the nessessary parts to be fitted to the DVX100 and the lensadapter needed for Canon or Nikon lenses?

Wayne Kinney
10-07-2005, 12:47 PM
The support rods are the standard size of 15mm. Im not sure how other follow focus systems attach, so can't offer too much help there.

Yes, all will be included to connect to a DVX100, and will have either a Nikon or Canon SLR mount as requested.

I will keep you all updated.

Thanks,
Wayne

disjecta
10-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Wayne, this looks great. I'd be really interested in testing one of these puppies.

xl70e3
10-08-2005, 02:38 PM
Eagerly waiting for DVX footage. The adapter looks great and at that price I might just forget the idea of making my own one and get yours (untill G35 arrives). Btw, what is the tube part of it made of? And why 58mm? Seems like it's the size of choice for all DYI adapters, but I don't really get why.

theos
10-08-2005, 03:08 PM
nice, very interesting . . . looking forward too see more :)

Wayne Kinney
10-08-2005, 03:46 PM
Hi guys,
Concerning the filter thread size. Im going to supply the SG35 with a filter thread to suit the customers camcorder. Obviously 72mm for the DVX100, so no step rings needed. The tube part is a strong plastic, the box aluminium.

I will keep you updated.

Thanks,
Wayne.

thisiswells
10-08-2005, 04:37 PM
... yawns :undecided

Wayne Kinney
10-08-2005, 05:04 PM
thisiswells,

What are you yawning about buddy? :D

Wayne.

bikefilms
10-08-2005, 05:35 PM
And why 58mm? Seems like it's the size of choice for all DYI adapters, but I don't really get why.

The lense projects an image about that size around. It's also a popular size for Sony and Canon prosumer cams. The small Tube may also keep reflective light at a minimum.

FYI, glass places don't know what a milimeter is, so I had to order "Two Inch" pieces for my ground glass.

-a

TimurCivan
10-09-2005, 05:32 AM
i dont think he likes thesound of "strong plastic"

ddh
10-09-2005, 05:28 PM
Very interested. Question? Will one need a close-up lens in front of this for an original DVX-100? If so, got any suggestions?

Wayne Kinney
10-10-2005, 01:21 AM
Thanks for your question,
The SG35 will include an achromatic close up lens,

Regards,
Wayne.

Daniel Skubal
10-10-2005, 01:31 AM
Hey Wayne, any idea as to when you might roll out with the commercial version?

Wayne Kinney
10-10-2005, 01:48 AM
Hi,
It will be very soon. Once I can confirm with you guys that the SG35 works perfecly with the DVX100, i'll post footage and can start taking orders.

Regards,
Wayne.

Daniel Skubal
10-10-2005, 02:11 AM
Excellent! Keep up the great work

TimurCivan
10-10-2005, 11:25 AM
what lens mounts are you using?

Wayne Kinney
10-10-2005, 01:11 PM
Hi,
Im currently offering either Nikon or Canon lens mounts.

Regards,
Wayne.

TimurCivan
10-11-2005, 01:49 AM
CAnon FD or Eos lenses?

Wayne Kinney
10-11-2005, 04:57 AM
The SG35 will come with either a Nikon or Canon 'FD' mount. Thanks for pointing that out.

Regards,
Wayne.

caitya
10-12-2005, 07:12 AM
Hi Wayne! We're waiting for the result of your test with dvx100.

TimurCivan
10-12-2005, 02:26 PM
ahh cool FDs are my FAV !!!!

caitya
10-15-2005, 05:39 AM
Hi! Maybe it is useful to know that there is this topic in dvinfo.net
More info. For example a new box for spinning glass: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/alubox.jpg

Wayne Kinney
10-15-2005, 06:33 AM
Thanks caitya,
This is indeed the topic where the SG35 was born. Here is the link to the thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=51362

Regards,
Wayne.

ddh
10-16-2005, 02:30 AM
Wayne - I've been following these adaptor developments since the beginning. What happened to Agus? Hey, is that your kitchen? Nice looking place!

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 03:03 AM
Hi DDH, thanks for your interest.

Agus still lives. I talk to him on msn on a daily bases. In fact, I just sent him a free GG+mechanism to say thank you, since he was the guy that started this off like 2 years ago.

Yes thats my kitchen, thanks.

Regards,
Wayne.

Ralph Oshiro
10-16-2005, 03:36 AM
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but . . . what is the approximate light loss using the adapter in f-stops?

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 03:39 AM
Well, The Sg35's Ground Glass and optics looses about half a stop of light. So add this to whatever SLR lens you will be using.

Ralph Oshiro
10-16-2005, 03:44 AM
So, say you have a Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 AF-D lens on your SG35 adapter . . . that's a 1/2-stop loss from the SG35 alone--what do you lose through the 50mm at f/1.4 in addition to that? What would the total light loss be?

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 04:39 AM
With that SLR lens, you could expect around 2 stops light loss, which is standard with all 35mm adapters.

Regards,
Wayne.

Monglane
10-16-2005, 06:22 AM
This does look very interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing some DVX footage. I have a couple of old Nikon lenses (28, 35, 50, 35-70, 200-400) that I could use with it.

One question, though : how much noise does that thing generate ? Can one hope to record live dialogue while using it ?

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 07:20 AM
Hi Monglane,
Due to the high quality ground glass element, the glass can be set to spin extremely slow with the speed control dial, yet still get no GG artifacts. The speed can be turned up when closing down the apperture or raising the shutter speed. Therefore, the unit can be used to record live dialogue, even with the camcorders built in microphone.

Regards,
Wayne.

Monglane
10-16-2005, 08:36 AM
Thanks Wayne. When you test-shoot with the DVX, please take lots of pictures of the setup, and kindly upload some uncompressed footage as well if you can (both 50i and 25p) so we can play around with it in our NLEs. I have some Web space available if you need it.

Cheers.

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 09:13 AM
Monglane,
Thats no problem, but will probably have to take you up on your offer of the webspace if uncompressed is the name of the game. Do you mean uncompressed, or DV compressed?

Thanks, Wayne.

Monglane
10-16-2005, 09:49 AM
I mean DV compressed, i.e. the .avi file as it comes out of the capture card. I don't know what other people will think, but as far as I'm concerned, 20 seconds or so of footage would be enough. Thanks !

Wayne Kinney
10-16-2005, 10:15 AM
Monglane,
If you could please help me out with webspace I can upload some DV compressed footage.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Monglane
10-16-2005, 10:38 AM
Sure. Let's do this via MPs, Wayne.

ddh
10-16-2005, 05:44 PM
Wayne - just want to say as soon as you've got it together let me know. I'll purchase one.

Mesuge
10-16-2005, 06:27 PM
Wayne, cool stuff! You might consider compatibility with optional accessories such as profi or cheap matteboxes, followfocus etc..

No rush just keep taking preorders! Very nice pictures indeed..
Thanks for sharing

Wayne Kinney
10-17-2005, 01:41 AM
Thanks guys,
unfortunitly, the weather here was really bad over the weekend, so we are putting of the DVX100 testing till next weekend.

DDH, I should be ready to take overs after I post the DVX100 footage.

As for matte boxes ect.... My 15mm rods are the standard 60mm apart. Im not certain exactly how other follow focus accessories attach, but this is something i'll look into.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Mesuge
10-17-2005, 03:24 AM
Some follow focus options for DVX100 here (I hope they can you get the info):
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=36360&highlight=follow+focus

indiFocus:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=33631&highlight=follow+focus

Easy Focused Lens:
http://www.dandiaconu.com/newweb/mpff.htm

Wayne Kinney
10-17-2005, 03:57 AM
Some useful information, thanks

Wayne.

BLUESPIDER
10-17-2005, 04:30 AM
damn Wayne, hurry up already!! Don't be like the "other" guys! I'm kidding man!


Keep up posted!

Wayne Kinney
10-17-2005, 05:05 AM
Hehe, thanks for your patients Bluespider. Good things come to thoughs that wait;) Kidding:D

DVX100 footage will be up very soon, I promise.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Mesuge
10-18-2005, 06:55 AM
Uh ah it seems that sub $2k 35mm adapter manufacturer list is growing like crazy:

SG35, Letus35, M2, MPIC, Guerilla35 to name at least the most likely to enter production..
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=70

We definately need some head to head review soon..

Mesuge
10-18-2005, 07:43 AM
Btw there is an interesting 35mm lense database with a lot of technical/optical data sheets and overall quality grading.. Perhaps you might utilize it in your further researches:

http://www.photodo.com/prod/lens/canon.shtml
http://www.photodo.com/prod/lens/pentax.shtml

Wayne Kinney
10-18-2005, 10:00 AM
Thanks for the links.

Unfortunitly, im having trouble contacting the DVX100 user to get test footage. I am however meeting with an FX-1 user this Sunday. The FX-1 is HD and is also a 72mm lens like the dvx100. Ill post up the FX-1 footage anyway.

I'll keep trying to get in contact with the dvx100 user, I know he is interested but also very busy with work, so please give me time.

Thanks,
Wayne.

SoerenM
10-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Btw. the MPIC is not "sub $2k"! @ mesuge

so it's basically sub 2k (ordered by price):

SG35 (no price yet)
Letus35 ~300 USD
Micro35 ~500 USD (not including rods which are needed!)
Guerilla35 ~1500 USD (not yet fixed)

Where the SG35 and Micro35 are a bit similar in basic design as well as the Guerilla35 and Letus35 are a bit similar (both without rod need/support) .. however the Guerilla35 is still believed/planned to use a static GG.

Cheers ;)

Wayne Kinney
10-18-2005, 03:05 PM
The SG35 will have an introductory price of £160 with 15mm rod support.

Regards,
Wayne.

Mesuge
10-18-2005, 04:06 PM
Btw. the MPIC is not "sub $2k"! @ mesuge

So it's $2.080. Not a big deal, let's phrase it sub $2.5k then huh..
http://www.dandiaconu.com/newweb/mpic.htm
------------------------------------------------------------

Wayne, would it be possible to make some preliminary tests with the resolution charts? Thanks

Wayne Kinney
10-18-2005, 04:48 PM
Mesuge,
I can surely do the res chart test with my cheap 1 chip panasonic. I'll see if i can get that up tomorrow.

I'll do the same test with the FX-1 on Sunday.

Thanks,
Wayne.

SoerenM
10-19-2005, 01:46 AM
Oh cool price Wayne! :) Sounds interesting...
@Mesuge ok I'm sorry - last time I checked the MPIC site it was considerably more than 1.5/2k ... it's kind of weird how the prices on Dans site keep changing whole the time.. ;)
(it's like ordering a PC/CPU or something and looking a seeing a week later that prices have dropped a lot ;o)

Wayne Kinney
10-19-2005, 03:56 AM
Good news guys,
I just got off the phone to the DVX100 user, very friendly chap. He is very interested in hooking up his dvx with the SG35. Good thing is he lives in the next town from me. We will be arranging to meet soon.

Wayne.

joakim
10-19-2005, 11:39 PM
Hey Wayne! Do you live in London? I'm going back to the UK and Sweden for a few
months. Would love to see the thing in action.

Monglane
10-20-2005, 03:19 AM
Good news guys,
I just got off the phone to the DVX100 user, very friendly chap. He is very interested in hooking up his dvx with the SG35. Good thing is he lives in the next town from me. We will be arranging to meet soon.
Otherwise Wayne, hop onto the Eurostar and come to Paris... I have a big house with large rooms where we can have all sorts of fun with DoF... Plus... it's sunny here. :happy:

Wayne Kinney
10-20-2005, 03:41 AM
Hehe,
Funny you should say that, im on the eurostar all the time, next week as it happens. My girlfriend lives in Belgium. I'll tell her i got the wrong train by mistake, and ill come to you ;)

joakim, Im not far from London, I live in the lovely seaside town of brighton on the south coast which is about an hour away.
Wayne.

Monglane
10-20-2005, 03:51 AM
LOL ! Bring you girlfriend over, by all means. :engel017:


Funny indeed... Used to have a girlfriend in Belgium too, some years back. In Antwerp, to be precise. Wonder if...

Nah.

:happy:

Rick Meyer
10-20-2005, 04:53 AM
Man you guys make me want to live in Europe...."yes, i am going for a little jaunt to Belgium this weekend...but the first of next week, I can meet you in Paris.........but I have to get back to London by Friday for a spot of tea...."

Monglane
10-20-2005, 09:56 AM
I did NY for four years... Wouldn't wanna go back, except to shop. I like Boston a lot more, and weekends at the Cape... It does feel a bit like Paris, only much less expensive and with the Riviera 90 minutes away.

I know, we're wandering way off topic here... but that's Wayne's fault ! Have to keep ourselves occupied until he uploads that footage wer'e all waiting for. Then we will pounce. :thumbsup:

Mesuge
10-20-2005, 10:32 AM
Wayne, as I skimmed through the megatons of valuable posts at dvinfo.net where you moders seemed to hang out I noticed some perhaps obvious information.

#1
That it is possible to overcome the "softness" of the image produced by 35mm GG adapters on these cameras by using sub F1.4 stop lenses. Any thoughts on that? Is there a noticeble improvement of this feature if you use them, which would justify those pricy lenses, could you borrow some for testing?

#2
There seem to be an issue with proper focusing on any GG 35mm adapter camera no matter using external 7" lcd display for better picture. The idea is to get picture beefore it enters the electronics. So some suggest using additional optical viewfinder instead. Would it be possible/feasible to have some optical system going directly from the "GG room" to the outside as an additional viewfinder?
As I understand it that's exactly what the big guns like Arri D-20 and other
are based on, they split the image by some mirror thingy so it goes to the chip and to the optical viewfinder in separate channels..

Thanks

Wayne Kinney
10-20-2005, 03:03 PM
Mesuge,
Obviously the lower the F rating of any lens the more light it will let in, which is great for any 35mm adapter. Weather this will solve 'softness' in the image is another matter. I believe this to be down to the ground glass and optics used. I believe my ground glass to be high quality and will be proven with the FX-1 footage.

The Arri D-20 uses a complicated setup to relay the light to an optical viewfinder, it has a rotating shutter, so it reflects the image every 24/sec. Similar to the way an SLR cam relays the image to the viewfinder and the mirror flips up to expose the film, the Arri D-20 using a spinning disk to alternate between film and viewfinder every 24/sec I will not be using any simlilar setup on my unit.

Regards,
Wayne

mastermind
10-21-2005, 02:10 PM
will you be able to create a unit with a pl mount? and what do you think the order delivery time will be lets say from the time funds are recieved to the time the product is shipped out.

Wayne Kinney
10-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Im not supporting PL mount. The turn around from fund received to shipping are 1 - 2 weeks.

Thanks,
Wayne

mastermind
10-21-2005, 03:40 PM
that's pretty good. the guys over at m2 say 4-6.

Mesuge
10-21-2005, 04:52 PM
Wayne, I know it would be better to wait for bigger camera test like XLs or DVX100 but are there any preliminary results from the resolution charts and your older panasonic camera available now - I think it can reveal some qualities as it stands?

Just a question about "mass production" of SG35 - the other 35mm guy Letus35 learned the hardway that it's necessary to clean it after assembly by compressed air etc. Speaking of your product is it going to be purely hand made production or you will outsource some parts to some external CNC shop etc..?

Please don't consider my questions as bashing your product, quite to the oposite I'm big fan of your endevours and I'm perhaps too inquisitive..

Thanks

Wayne Kinney
10-21-2005, 05:10 PM
Mesuge,
No no, im glad you asked. Yes dust seems to be a problem with all adapters.

I machine my own parts from different materials, mostly aluminium and acetal plastic. It is cleaned via compressed air prior to shipping.

The res charts from the FX-1 will be done on Sunday, so not long to wait.

Regards,
Wayne

Wayne Kinney
10-22-2005, 10:51 AM
OK,
the FX-1 shoot has been prospond due to bad weather rendering outdoor shooting a no go. The FX-1 chap is 2 and a half hours drive away, so its best to make that journey on a more 'usable' day.

Regards,
Wayne.

BLUESPIDER
10-27-2005, 09:56 PM
The res charts from the FX-1 will be done on Sunday, so not long to wait.

Regards,
Wayne

Well, its Thursday 27th. Where's the res chart at? Don't be pulling a Redrock on us now!

:undecided

Wayne Kinney
10-28-2005, 05:04 PM
Hello,
Here are 2 pictures of the SG35 unit complete with 15mm rod support and baseplate as promised.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wayne.kinney/sg35.htm

I am meeting this sunday with the chap with the Sony HDR-FX1 to test drive the SG35. I will post footage sunday night.

Once i am satisfied with the results, Sg35 will be officially released.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Jenny Morgan
10-29-2005, 06:43 AM
I've been following this thread, lurking, for some time now...

I AM PUMPED! I want one!

Wayne, what is the purpose of the condensor? Doesn't this eat up light?

Wayne Kinney
10-29-2005, 06:59 AM
Jenny, thanks for your interest.

The role of the condenser is to even out the hotspot/vignetting. It collects all the light and focuses it towards to camcorders lens.

Regards,
Wayne.

Jenny Morgan
10-29-2005, 07:11 AM
I would be using this on an XL1s... Any problems foreseen? Need a beta tester?

Jenny Morgan
10-29-2005, 07:11 AM
Could I use a 24mm lens on this device? 300mm?

Wayne Kinney
10-29-2005, 07:54 AM
Yes,
The device will allow you to use any focal length SLR lens, Nikon or Canon.

Thanks,
Wayne.

xilixfilms
11-02-2005, 04:52 PM
Wayne are you taking orders now and what is your form of payment?

Wayne Kinney
11-02-2005, 05:43 PM
Hello,
Although the Sg35 is not officially released, I am taking orders and have sold 5 units so far. Im waiting till I test with the FX-1 to release.

I accept paypal or direct bank transfer, or cheque. Time from payment received to unit shipped is 2 - 3 weeks.

SG35 with achromatic close up lens and adjustable 15mm rods support: £199

Optional quick release sliding plate for camcorder connection: £50 (not needed, but an attractive addon).

Thanks,
Wayne.

Laffen
11-12-2005, 08:24 AM
Any updates Wayne??

kellyboy
11-12-2005, 01:22 PM
is that 199 pounds or euros?

kelly

Wayne Kinney
11-12-2005, 01:30 PM
Laffen,
I am getting the SG35 tested with the Sony FX-1 tomorrow morning. If all is to my satisfaction I will be uploading footage and pctures and realeasing the unit on Monday.

The unit is 199 UK pounds,

Thanks,
Wayne.

Isaac_Brody
11-12-2005, 03:27 PM
Wayne, have you tested the unit on a DVX yet? Got any footage?

And have you tested it on all the major SD camcorders and the current HDV ones? That would be a good way to prove the adaptor and convince people to buy.

Wayne Kinney
11-12-2005, 03:46 PM
Hi,
FX-1 tomorrow, DVX100 in the next few weeks.

I have also posted a unit to 2 different HD100 users.

Results to follow.

Regards,
Wayne.

Monglane
11-12-2005, 05:27 PM
Wayne, I'm willing to test it on a DVX100A, and if it works like it should, I'll buy it so I won't even have to return it to you ! :)

Let me know if you're interested.

Laffen
11-12-2005, 06:37 PM
Thanks Wayne,
Great, really looking forward to see some of that footage! I'm ready to be impressed.

daviddelaurier
11-14-2005, 09:40 PM
I'm going to have an HD100 this Christmas break. I'll make the plunge for the adaptor as soon as I get the camera. About $355 USD correct?

Wayne Kinney
11-15-2005, 04:16 AM
Yes thats correct david.
I have just had my customer connect the SG35 to his HD100 and he will be testing today on a variaty of lenses.

Regards,
wayne.

Ed Kishel
11-15-2005, 12:00 PM
and that includes a rail system?

Wayne Kinney
11-15-2005, 12:21 PM
Yes, it includes the 15mm rods support and achromatic close up lens.

Regards,
Wayne.

caitya
11-15-2005, 12:45 PM
Hi! Wayne!

What is the news about fx1 test?

Thanks,
Caitya

Wayne Kinney
11-15-2005, 01:36 PM
Hi,
The guy did in fact turn up with his FX-1. However, there was a problem with the baseplate thats need some modifcation. We did hold the cam upto the box to test the image on a TV monitor, the image was very cinematic. We could not record anything useable though.

I will be getting footage from the HD100 user soon. But since this is a DVX100 user forum, i'll work towards getting test footage with this machine for you guys. I have a contact in the next town from me, once i get the next unit built, i'll try and arrange something.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Ed Kishel
11-15-2005, 08:45 PM
superdeedooper, I look foreward to this. I have built my own static adapter, and have had some good results, but when you dropped the f-stops on yours and there was no grain, that cinched the deal.

Wayne Kinney
11-16-2005, 03:42 AM
Yeah,
thats what i wanted from the start of the project, no limitations!!

Please go here for my customers review/comments on the unit:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54458

Regards,
Wayne.

TimurCivan
11-16-2005, 08:25 AM
Wait? achromat and 15mm rods is an ~350$ in addition to the Sg35? or all together. if its all together thats a phenominal price.



Hello,
Although the Sg35 is not officially released, I am taking orders and have sold 5 units so far. Im waiting till I test with the FX-1 to release.

I accept paypal or direct bank transfer, or cheque. Time from payment received to unit shipped is 2 - 3 weeks.

SG35 with achromatic close up lens and adjustable 15mm rods support: £199

Optional quick release sliding plate for camcorder connection: £50 (not needed, but an attractive addon).

Thanks,
Wayne.

Wayne Kinney
11-16-2005, 10:00 AM
Thats the price all together,

Wayne.

TimurCivan
11-16-2005, 03:29 PM
wow.... how much do you think shipping woudl be to Turkey?

Wayne Kinney
11-16-2005, 04:38 PM
x2mag68

Email/PM me your full address and i'll quote you on shipping options.

Thanks,
Wayne

JustinT
11-22-2005, 09:40 AM
sorry if this has been posted -but are there any comparisons between the SG35 and letus yet?

Wayne Kinney
11-22-2005, 09:59 AM
Hello,
One of my customers will be doing a side by side comparision of the SG35 and Letus soon. He will post in dvinfo.net

Thanks,
Wayne.