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vidled
09-17-2005, 02:53 PM
What is LetUs35? (http://adapterplace.com)

A device, that when attached to a video camera together with a photographic lens achieves a MUCH shallower Depth Of Field, as seen in many professional production, and normally only obtainable with more expensive, larger professional equipment. It is a low cost piece of equipment that "simulates" expensive equipment by achieving a similar look with a less expensive camera.

Equipment used in testing:
- LetUs35 (black anodized, 72mm thread, FD mount) from adapterplace.com
- Canon 50mm f1.2 FD lens
- Canon 28mm f2.8 FD lens
- Panasonic DVX-100AE camcorder (PAL)
- Sony DCR-PC120E camcorder (PAL)
- VEGAS 6 (for capture and flipping of image)

Cost of LetUs35: $300 retail ($180 as special deal sometimes available, i.e. beta testing, or eBay)

Competition to LetUs35 (from $$$ to $):
- Mini35 (pstechnik.de), note: about $9000
- Cine-One (cine-one.com/de/), note: incl. CineOne/Indi
- G35 (Guerilla35.com), note: not available as of this writing, but about $1000
- Micro35 (redrockmicro.com)
- Marla (marlathemovie.com), note: DIY
- DOF Machine, (mediachance.com/dvdlab/dof/index.htm), note: DIY

LetUs35's cost is the lowest of the ready-made units. Only cheaper option is to make one yourself, and I'm actually not quite sure if it can be done cheaper, especially if you calculate your hourly time spent building a unit at more than $1.50/hour! ;-)


Review:
I have read numerous reviews of various Depth Of Field (DOF) devices. They seem to have the following features (or maybe 'problems') in common, although to varying degree:
- they reduce the contrast
- they soften the image somewhat
- they introduce "grain"
- any dirt, dust or particular matter within the adapter will be VERY visible in the final video
- they 'lose' light

I first tested the LetUs35 with a DVX-100AE (and the Canon FD 50mm f1.2 lens), set to SQEEZE mode, and directly coupled to the DVX's front via the 72mm thread. An email to Quyen Le (of adapterplace.com, maker of LetUs35) helped me through some small issue with adjusting the LetUs35 so that it lines up correctly once threaded all the way. Email response was quick.
Once the LetUs35 is attached to the DVX-100AE, one has to zoom in just enough to view the full image, and set the manual focus correctly (reading on DVX was MF13).

The unit comes with an external battery pack which holds two AA (UM3) 1.5V batteries. I used NiMH as recommended by adapterplace.com. This battery pack has a switch which turns on a small vibratory motor which removes most of the very visible grain. I have already made suggestions to possibly integrate a rechargeable battery inside the aluminum housing, with a DC connection to charge that battery up. It would "streamline" the LetUs35 much more.


The cam's LCD will show the image up-side-down, which is nearly impossible to get used to. There are, however, tricks that can make the LCD show correctly, such as a magnet, or depending on the cam, a simple menu setting. (Note: I have not bothered for this test to figure out how to do this on both cams I tested it with.)

Now on to shooting:
Just looking at the LCD is VERY IMPRESSIVE, as one can immediately see the effect of shallow DOF. It is an amazingly useful tool, such as when a particular object or subject needs attention drawn to it. You can focus on one thing, and have everything else blurred out.

Results:
But the resulting video that I took with the DVX-100AE weren't quite as impressive as I'd hoped for, once I reviewed them on a broadcast video monitor. The images seemed washed out, not detailed, and losing much of the 'resolution'. DOF was awesome though of course.

BUT:

When tested with the DCR-PC120E, all the negative points I found in the DVX completely turned around:
Since the DCR-PC120E is quite harsh by itself, the introduction of the grain, smoothness/softness, etc, made the final image from the DCR-PC120E MUCH more pleasing than would of been possible without the LetUs35.

So, I can summarize like this:
The introduction of MORE grain, softness, etc. on the DVX proved –for me at least– to be too much. I also read that Barry G. had similar experiences when testing a G35 with a DVX. It's like having a film look applied to footage that already HAS a film look. The one positive thing is of course the addition of the shallow DOF, but it comes at a hefty price: picture quality. I guess since the DVX is so good at that all by itself, the DOF device really has to be MINIMALLY 'intrusive' on the DVX's image in all other aspects other than DOF. It really only needs to add shallow DOF, not alter the image look.
The LetUs35 just might not be able to do that alone.

B U T:
with the DCR-PC120E (and probably with most smaller cams also, maybe up to a GL1/GL2/VX2000) the LetUs35 VERY MUCH improves the look and feel in ADDITION to adding the shallow DOF.
It's almost like taking a $1000 camera, and making it into a DVX type cam, by giving it a film look, AND adding shallow DOF (I did write ALMOST! ;-). The added grain (even if only in a small amount) adds to the DCR-PC120E look, and it's fun to shoot with (although the LetUs35 is almost as big as the DCR-PC120E, so I'd have to think of how to properly attach it, as it's too much weight on the little 37mm thread of the cam)

So: the LetUs35 is a GREAT, low cost alternative to the higher end offerings. Ideally suited for probably the consumer grade cams though, IMHO. The DVX and probably also the XL-2 with their "built-in" film look, suffer too much from the added artifacts, IMO, especially as shallow DOF can be done to some degree with other little tricks without an adapter. For a DOF device to work very well with the DVX, it has to be nearly grain free and not change the image in any other way either: no or hardly no introduction of softness, no or hardly no loss of contrast, etc.
We'll have to see if the G35 can deliver in this regard (seems to cope well according to some sample clips), although like I mentioned, it is more than three times more expensive.

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The LetUs35 can turn an inexpensive camcorder into a film look camcorder with awesomely shallow DOF for under $350 (including a secondhand lens, adapter rings and shipping)
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(Notes: I didn't do extensive tests in trying to change the scene file settings with the DVX although I' sure I could of improved the picture quality somewhat.) Also: between the time when I tested the DVX and the DCR-PC100 the weather had completely changed from sunny to rainy, so I could not perform realistic and helpful side-by-side comparisons. But I will upload some screen captures soon.)

P.S.: I believe Quyen is already working on an "HD" version.


Reviewed 17 September 2005

UPDATE, 18 September 2005:
There is a simple way to improve the image quality on the LetUs35 when used with a 72mm adapter and the DVX-100. Apperently there is some 'interference' by the macro lens being too big:

Begin quote:
<snip> The problem is, the 72mm macro is too large and the outer part of the macro lens will add softness to the video. There is a way to overcome this problem. Get a black cardboard or thick paper and cut it to a size of the macro lens, cut out the rectangle piece in the center of the cardboard to the size of about 24x36mm and put it between the camera lens and macro lens. This will increase the sharpness of the outer edge. If you see the edge of the cardboard on video, cut it a little more. I receive no report from people using 58mm macro lens on this problem so far. For people using 58mm macro, I think this method will also increase video sharpness.
<snip>
Quyen
End quote

UncleBenji1977
09-18-2005, 09:05 AM
Has anyone used this yet? Any thoughts?

BLUESPIDER
09-18-2005, 12:40 PM
I like your review Vidled. I was planning on ordering this but after reading your review, I don't want to now. Their footage on their site has some really bad interlacing problem.

vidled
09-18-2005, 12:49 PM
Hey bluespider:
I may have failed in my review then! ;-)

This thing IS worth the money, especially if you can pick one up for the $160 mark (eBay).
The footage on their site should of undergone deinterlacing, THAT I agree with.
(Also: read the added note at the end, for DVX it can be easily made to work better.)

Darn, I really need to post some clips then...
How do you post an image file again here?

Chayse_Irvin
09-18-2005, 01:03 PM
I like your review Vidled. I was planning on ordering this but after reading your review, I don't want to now. Their footage on their site has some really bad interlacing problem.

Ya same here. The footage looks really bad.

vidled
09-18-2005, 01:14 PM
Here's what the LetUs35 looks like (with external battery pack: I will be putting that into the housing soon, so it doesn't stick out like that.), and on-cam light.

http://ERKLJHTNOIWV3Y48TVYBW38ILYT9OBVW3Y4IVUSHER5KTGHV27 98Y5VIEHTIYTV.US/LetUs35.jpg

Daniel Skubal
09-18-2005, 01:19 PM
Why does EVERY adapter company shoot flowers as their first footage?! Film something as if it were the best production you've ever worked on and show us that. rack focusing blades of dead grass doesn't do it for me.

Chayse_Irvin
09-18-2005, 01:43 PM
Why does EVERY adapter company shoot flowers as their first footage?! Film something as if it were the best production you've ever worked on and show us that. rack focusing blades of dead grass doesn't do it for me.

No shit. They should do a proper camera test with a Director and a Cinematographer. Then get a commentary version with the cinematographer. Inspire us to buy it for christ sake.

vidled
09-18-2005, 03:30 PM
They should do a proper camera test with a Director and a Cinematographer. Then get a commentary version with the cinematographer. Inspire us to buy it for christ sake.

GREAT idea:
We have just hired Benicio Del Toro and Isabelle Adjani (sorry, it was all we could get on such short notice) to hastily produce a $500'000.00 ("Hey, you wasted your money, man!") full cinematic infomercial for the LetUs35 (just like FedEx's Castaway).

I reckon the LetUs35 people will only have to sell about 50'000 units to recoup the costs.

This short scene is is an excerpt of this production and takes place just after the character of Benicio finds out Irma (his wife, played by Isabelle Adjani) was cheating on him with Marcel (played by Benicio also, although he puts on this great accent for that character!)
Anyway, you'll notice we were in so much of a hurry, that we had no time to get Isabelle's nail polish all done nicely (you see her arm briefly in this scene).

8MB Sorenson3 QUICKTIME Movie (http://ERKLJHTNOIWV3Y48TVYBW38ILYT9OBVW3Y4IVUSHER5KTGHV27 98Y5VIEHTIYTV.US/letus35-sor3.mov )

Daniel Skubal
09-18-2005, 04:16 PM
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Daniel Skubal
09-18-2005, 04:27 PM
http://rah.eviljoes.com/Dee-Jay/images/Lettuce35_dvx.jpg

vidled
09-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Huh?
I don't get it; does that come with Ranch or French?

Daniel Skubal
09-18-2005, 04:36 PM
lol just having some fun :)

vidled
09-18-2005, 04:43 PM
Hehe, understood!

:laugh:

Coco Bermudez
09-18-2005, 05:58 PM
hmmm.....I am willing to give it a try it and post some footage.
Vidled....where do I get one and how long will it take to get one in my hands.
Also..it this a thread type adapter? how the heck do you attach it to the lens?

Let me know what is the best way to get one of these

vidled
09-18-2005, 06:05 PM
Hey Super8,
I have nothing to do with the LetUs35, other than being a user & providing this review here.

If you want to buy one, I suggest you get in contact with their manufacturer, Quyen Le at http://adapterplace.com

But to answer your questions: yes, it's a thread type adapter. You thread the adapter onto the cam, and the Canon FD/FL lens onto the adapter via the FD mount. I believe available as standard in 58mm, and optional in 72mm. Apparently the 58mm might be the better choice, and use step rings from there.

Cheers.

Coco Bermudez
09-18-2005, 06:14 PM
so...i figure you bought one from them right?
how long ago did you buy it and how long after your purchase it did it take to get in your hands?

vidled
09-18-2005, 06:19 PM
Bought as special BETA deal. Purchased on a Sunday, received on the following Friday, so within 5 business days.

Chayse_Irvin
09-18-2005, 06:51 PM
GREAT idea:
We have just hired Benicio Del Toro and Isabelle Adjani (sorry, it was all we could get on such short notice) to hastily produce a $500'000.00 ("Hey, you wasted your money, man!") full cinematic infomercial for the LetUs35 (just like FedEx's Castaway).

I reckon the LetUs35 people will only have to sell about 50'000 units to recoup the costs.

This short scene is is an excerpt of this production and takes place just after the character of Benicio finds out Irma (his wife, played by Isabelle Adjani) was cheating on him with Marcel (played by Benicio also, although he puts on this great accent for that character!)
Anyway, you'll notice we were in so much of a hurry, that we had no time to get Isabelle's nail polish all done nicely (you see her arm briefly in this scene).

8MB Sorenson3 QUICKTIME Movie (http://ERKLJHTNOIWV3Y48TVYBW38ILYT9OBVW3Y4IVUSHER5KTGHV27 98Y5VIEHTIYTV.US/letus35-sor3.mov )


Much better. Thank you.

bikefilms
09-18-2005, 08:12 PM
hahaha, funny clip. Is this the "pager motor" version of a 35mm adapter? I thought about making one of those too.

nioce.

-a

bikefilms
09-18-2005, 08:14 PM
Truly a guerilla price. You should call it "Guerilla35". Oh, wait...

ecking
09-19-2005, 04:01 AM
What camera settings did you use and why is the left side unfocused?
How loud is the motor?

vidled
09-19-2005, 07:35 AM
What camera settings did you use and why is the left side unfocused?
How loud is the motor?


Good questions, all of them!

Scene file was F5, slightly modified, but still 25p.
This sample DID include the cardboard modification.

Since we now have an EXTRAORDINARY SHALLOW DOF, any 3D object will only have one small "plane" in focus. With some lenses and in some conditions this can be not much more than 1/2" (12.7mm) wide. In this example, I'd say that only about a width of 1" or 2.54cm is in focus. Since the left side of the chainsaw is A FEW INCHES closer to the lens, it is therefore out of focus.

BUT:
I did notice a sharpness dropoff towards the edges however, so even if one would film a 2d object, the edges would be out of focus somewhat. That, I'd say, is where a major difference in price lies. Quality in glass? Quality in alignment? Not sure, but one can overcome this somewhat by framing the shot to take this into account.

Motor is audible in a quiet environment, especially when using the on-cam mic. If I'd be using this device in a production of any importance, I would make sure to use OFF_CAM mics only.....but wait a second.....one shouldn't use the on-cam mic anyway! ;-)

TimurCivan
09-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Question about lenses,

I have many FD lenses, and thus iam interested. But Canon lenses in the FD series were designed to stay open until the shutter is pressed. Like the AE1 series. If you stop down does the iris close? is there a retainer clip in the adapter to depress the iris activation lever?

Jack_Felis
09-21-2005, 11:01 PM
Why is everyone asking about how loud the motor is? Wouldn't you guys be using an external mic anyway? (Even if it is a cheapie from Best Buy or something?)