Looking for a Arri 16s...

[Snowroach]

I've decided on getting an Arri 16S to move to 16mm. I've been keeping an eye on ebay but I haven't come by one that looks really good yet. any suggestions on other places to get one?

Thanks

[Pointand Shoot]

I think visualproducts.com and duallcamera.com are good places to start, while they are not as cheap as ebay, you will not have to find out how much it costs to get a 16mm repair for a while. I like the K3 alot, it does everything the 16s does, is a lot easier to upgrade to S16 and cost about 1/4 as much.

[Snowroach]

Yea, I've though about the K-3, I'm just worried about how reliable it will be. I'll be shooting up in the snow so I need something thats going to be as well made as possible with out spending over a couple grand.

[discs of tron]

I like the K3 alot, it does everything the 16s does

really? let's see you shoot a 2 minute continuous take with one. :)

or put on a 400' mag for that matter.

don't get me wrong. i like my k3. although the registration on it leaves something to be desired. i've never seen an arriS that didn't have excellent registration.

[Pointand Shoot]

really? let's see you shoot a 2 minute continuous take with one. :)

For 1/4 of the price, I can reload. Plus if you don't have the 400' mag, you will never get 2 minutes to begin with. I have owned both cameras, I still own the K3 and it isn't any accident. If you are shooting in the snow, you'll find the hand crank VERY nice. Batteries and low temperatures are a pain in the ass.

Don't worry about the reliability factor, for the most part this is a myth that come from people who don't know how to use their cameras, or have tried to do customize/repair or f*@K with their cameras in some way. I used the K3 in film school, have owned a couple, and have several friends who currently own them - I've have yet to see one of these "lemon" K3s.

[Pointand Shoot]

really? let's see you shoot a 2 minute continuous take with one. :)

For 1/4 of the price, I can reload. Plus if you don't have the 400' mag, you will never get 2 minutes to begin with. I have owned both cameras, I still own the K3 and it isn't any accident. If you are shooting in the snow, you'll find the hand crank VERY nice. Batteries and low temperatures are a pain in the ass.

Don't worry about the reliability factor, for the most part this is a myth that come from people who don't know how to use their cameras, or have tried to do customize/repair or f*@K with their cameras in some way. I used the K3 in film school, have owned a couple, and have several friends who currently own them - I've have yet to see one of these "lemon" K3s.

Save some money and get something that will help your image like some lenses and filters.

[Barry_Green]

Plus if you don't have the 400' mag, you will never get 2 minutes to begin with.

?

A 100' daylight-spool load gives you 2:46 of runtime. The K-3 can't do it, of course, because of the spring motor, but on a motorized camera (like a Beaulieu R16) you could easily get a two-minute take on a 100' load.

[Bentrandom]

If you need a camera that can handle 400' mags, crystal sync, and variable speed I would recommend the Eclair NPR. I got mine for around $2000 (battery, two mags, carrying boxes and zoom lense included) and it has all those options. They are also rugged as all get out. My DP actually launched it into the dirt off a tripod while he was running with it on a dolly. It cleaned off and still runs smooth even after dropping from 5+ feet.

[Snowroach]

I've been looking around at the eclair npr and found ACRs as well. what the differences between them?

[taubkin]

They are very different cameras, for starters, The ACL is really small (it's practically just the size of the magazine). I'm not sure about this, but I think that the NPR has better motor options (higher speed shooting). I would also be in doubt of wich to buy.

2K for a NPR? Good price. Have you tested it? Can you post some footage?

[Bentrandom]

I have a short film that was shot totally on the NPR. It works great except I need to replace the belts/bands. They are getting old and making alot of noise. I'll post a link to the short in a day or two when I get it compressed.

[Bentrandom]

Here it is. Necrotize. (http://www.randomcreatureface.com/node/110)

A few notes: It's the first time for lot of things,
Night shooting
Lights with gels
Different shutter degrees
Using a real actor who I didn't know previously.

Oh and its a zombie short (that's not a first for me though :grin: ). I think we pulled off a decent little short.
To bad it wasn't shot on DVX cause those prizes look sweet.

[taubkin]

Good 'ol Zombie fun!

Congrats man!

Good to see your camera is working good. It is a good deal, a working NPR kit for 2K. Compression really don't do much for your images, but that is okay, thanks for the footage!

[Timmyjoe]

This thread started with questions about the Arriflex 16S camera. Here are a series of clips shot with a 16S. You can see how it handles 16:9 images.

http://www.arri16s.com/Cooke25.htm

Here is the whole test:

http://www.arri16s.com/FilmClips.htm

http://www.arri16s.com/Assets/images/Image.jpg

-Tim

[floatingtrem]

The thing about the 16s though is that its loud. Its not much of an option to be doing sync sound when shooting with on unless you've got some great directional mics or are far enough away from the camera.
Otherwise its a fantastic camera, I just DPed a short shot on one, and its a joy to work with. (I think its also the same thing as an Arri SB if thats gunna help you find on)

Out of curiosity how loud is the NPR? I didn't notice any problems with it in necrotize, so I'd assume nice and quiet.

[Timmyjoe]

You blimp or barney the 16S, and use noise reduction software like Bias SoundSoap or Apple's Soundtrack Pro.

The NPR is quite a bit quieter than the Arriflex 16S, but it is not quiet enough to use without a barney(or at least a leather jacket or sound blanket) and a bit of noise reduction software in post.

-Tim