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Shiloh Arts
08-17-2005, 11:02 AM
I've just come back from my Peru trip and have over 18 hours of footage for my documentary. I don't have much of the post production resources nor knowledge for editing everything myself. Therefore, I'm thinking about hiring a post production house to do the editing. I called Studio 57 in NYC and they quoted 250-400/hr. That's a crazy price...so my question is, does anyone know of solid editing houses that are reasonably priced, or should I just invest in the equipment myself?

I know that buying the editing equipment would be a wiser idea. However, the learning curve is to time consuming for me right now, and I don ‘t want this or any technical issue to distract me as I work.

Any feedback, advice, comment etc... would be appreciated.

Thanks for taking the time to read the post.

Pete

Moonwind
08-17-2005, 01:57 PM
Try this link http://www.productionhub.com/directory/

There are plenty of editors and post houses listed in your area. Hope it helps

greatscot
08-17-2005, 07:52 PM
you might be better to go the freelance route. i have a circle of friends that i freelance our doc editing and post work out to; $45-$65 an hour, and most of them work for big houses during the day and freelance nights and weekends. email me if you want.

chad@01post.com

check out our website at

http://www.45northcommunications.com

and specifically

http://www.45northcommunications.com/arlington_demo.html

we are working on a project with Arlington National Cemetery; shot most of the promo on DVX100a, but most of the final will be shot on Varicam.

versioncity1
08-18-2005, 01:11 AM
Peter. I think the best way of saving money, wether you end up using a pro suite or someone with a cheap home based editing system, is organisation of your material. Apologies if I'm stating what you know & is obvious.......
Firstly I'd do a timecoded transfer to VHS and then log all your material, do a paper edit at home or maybe several versions.
When you think you have something spend some money doing a very rough & quick edit (if possible) so you have something to watch. Then take a bit of time to watch it through, sit on it, re-write, try new ideas on paper, then get back in the edit suite.

In my experience, especially of documentary, huge ammounts of time and money is wasted in edit suites because a director is still pondering what they want. A couple of years ago i worked on a documentary where we shot over 300hrs of footage for what would be a 1hr programme. It was 3 months before I went near a pro suite and basically cut very crude versions on 2 vhs players at my house. It was labourious but I had the freedom to play with very different structures and content matter, shaping the piece in many different ways.
When I eventually got round to cutting it properly it took 4 days in a pro suite.

Rasquachemedia
08-18-2005, 02:32 AM
Try the edit center they might do it for free and are in NY. some of their stuff has made it to sundance and other festivals.

http://www.theeditcenter.com/
http://www.theeditcenter.com/contact.php

I was going to go there for training, but alas I bougt a dvx instead. I'm already familiar with fcp, but would like to improve my skills. Still I'm very happy with my new cam.

good luck!

galt
08-18-2005, 04:52 AM
I thought the learning curve on Vegas was very easy, especially if you just want to rough cut it and then hand it off for a real edit, with audio tweaks and color correction. I was up and running in Vegas in about 20 minutes. But still learning it a year later.

skart82
08-18-2005, 07:00 AM
Follow the versioncity path... he s right. You need to do a really really good "loggin" before to start even a rough edit on a pc or a mac at home. I think you could do both...learn to edit simply(cut and paste basically) and give the rough cut to a pro for CC and audio.

The loggin is the thing to do...furthermore if you haven t done editing before.

good luck

Shiloh Arts
08-18-2005, 09:26 AM
Try this link http://www.productionhub.com/directory/

There are plenty of editors and post houses listed in your area. Hope it helps


Great resource...I'll have to take some time to sort through it all :laugh:


you might be better to go the freelance route. i have a circle of friends that i freelance our doc editing and post work out to; $45-$65 an hour, and most of them work for big houses during the day and freelance nights and weekends. email me if you want.

The only conern for me is distance since I really would like to pop in and see the progress. I really like the goal of your business, it's not all just about editing, but of telling a story. I may use you guys. I'll send you an email, we can talk some more.

This doc is about a new christian church in the city of Boston and their first missions trip. Therefore, it's critical that I find editors that are sensitive and able to invision my goals. I noticed that the president of the company has worked in the christian broadcasting network, that's a plus.

Shiloh Arts
08-18-2005, 09:48 AM
Peter. I think the best way of saving money, wether you end up using a pro suite or someone with a cheap home based editing system, is organisation of your material. Apologies if I'm stating what you know & is obvious.......


Actually that's entirely what I'm talking about as far as not being bothered with setting up the equipment and learning the software to the core. I really need to focus more on what you’re referring to. Just from what I've learned from past experience, organization will be what makes or breaks this doc. Knowing what to use and what not to use is great, but to have to learn how to use in order to use is another thing. (geesh...getting a bit philosophical there :shocked: ).

Thanks to everyone for all their feedback!

greatscot
08-18-2005, 10:48 AM
Shiloh Arts -

if you look at some of our work, you will see that we have done a number of Christian Projects (Victory in Spite of Terror - email me your address, and i will send it to you; it's 7 years old, but well done). We have a crew going to Tanzania, China, and India this fall to shoot Missionary Field work there (yeah, China!). Email me ASAP.

We also produced the Sky Angel commercials (check demo reel), the ICM project (international cooperation of ministries), and others.

Shiloh Arts
08-18-2005, 11:38 AM
great,

sure thing ...I'll email you later tonight. I think that this factor will help me in pre prep along with loggin.