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Elton
08-12-2013, 04:43 PM
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Excited to throw our hats in for this one! BIG thanks to Matt Harris for the teaser posters!

Elton
08-12-2013, 04:43 PM
Reserved for BTS

Elton
08-12-2013, 04:44 PM
Reserved for misc.

Stephen Mick
08-12-2013, 04:59 PM
Awesome!!

ZazaCast
08-12-2013, 04:59 PM
O.K., now we're talkin'! :thumbsup:
As always, this promises to be outstanding...and written by Mr. Callaghan no less....can't wait.

Matt Harris
08-12-2013, 05:07 PM
Elton is no slouch, I'm happy to be a part of this. Kill it bro!

Elton
08-12-2013, 05:10 PM
Thanks fellas! I'm geeked up for this one! It's been fun to get to work with Chad on something hopefully fresh and meaty. (wink wink Zaza)

Elton
08-12-2013, 05:36 PM
Happy to say teaser pic is based on a photo I took today. :-)

Chris_Keaton
08-12-2013, 05:36 PM
Awesome! And Matt does make a nice poster.

Elton
08-12-2013, 05:37 PM
He certainly does!

Matt Harris
08-12-2013, 05:40 PM
Great photography by the way Elton, meant to tell you that. Good photos make for easy design.

Elton
08-12-2013, 05:46 PM
Thanks Matt. Glad I had my trusty (but nearly broken) T3i and a Rokinon 8mm in the car when I drove by this tree.

Brandon Rice
08-12-2013, 07:02 PM
Poster looks great! Can't wait to see what you cook up!

CallaghanFilms
08-12-2013, 08:13 PM
So far on this project, the creative cosmic happenstance has been a little scary.

Richard J. Johnson
08-12-2013, 08:16 PM
Looking forward to this. Best of luck.

Elton
08-12-2013, 08:29 PM
So far on this project, the creative cosmic happenstance has been a little scary.

Yar. We both been barkin' up the same tree!

...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Ryan P. Kelly
08-13-2013, 08:17 AM
I would watch this based purely on that poster! Can't wait guys!

Elton
08-14-2013, 10:27 AM
Out location scouting this morning and when I snapped this pic a black cat suddenly jumped out of the bushes in front of me! No joke.

I love creepy beginnings!

Brandon Rice
08-14-2013, 10:28 AM
GREAT location!

Elton
08-14-2013, 10:32 AM
One great thing about where I live is I'm so close to nowhere. And that's great for horror.

Just a few miles from this location is another location where they filmed a scene from Stephen Kings The Stand. I believe it was this cemetery...



Incidentally I've never tried doing this from an iPhone before. Surprised it works with just the regular browser.

Richard J. Johnson
08-14-2013, 11:59 AM
Cool locations!

Elton
08-15-2013, 09:00 AM
What luck! I found some willing PA's and interns in the parking lot while getting some supplies. School is usually located by the river.

Brandon Rice
08-15-2013, 09:02 AM
That's fantastic.

Elton
08-15-2013, 09:04 AM
I was a little worried when I heard "It puts the lotion on the camera" when someone opened the side door.

CallaghanFilms
08-15-2013, 09:23 AM
Instead of "cockpit control" (aka student driver passenger-side steering wheel), this cat has a second viewfinder...

ZazaCast
08-15-2013, 05:31 PM
That looks like something out of my film! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Matt Harris
08-15-2013, 07:43 PM
i need to leave LA. It seems like making a movie anywhere else on earth is so much easier.

awesome location elton! I may have to come visit and shoot something...

Eric Boellner
08-16-2013, 06:31 AM
That's a hell of a poster, and some great locations! Looking forward to this one.

-EMB

Elton
08-16-2013, 09:09 AM
i need to leave LA. It seems like making a movie anywhere else on earth is so much easier.

awesome location elton! I may have to come visit and shoot something...

One of these days, maaan! One of these days.

Btw, you won't miss LA much because with rapid global warming, Salt Lake City will be the new LA! Portland will be the new SF...not that there's anything wrong with that.

CallaghanFilms
08-17-2013, 04:07 PM
First draft should be completed just as last draft is drunk:beer:. Here's hoping the prior is crafted as well...

groveChuck
08-17-2013, 05:05 PM
First draft should be completed just as last draft is drunk:beer:. Here's hoping the prior is crafted as well...
Hmmm... something's brewing here... :happy:

drapeama
08-17-2013, 07:40 PM
As always, this promises to be outstanding...and written by Mr. Callaghan no less....can't wait.
You know, I don't feel much confident to enter this fest now! There's a lot of reputable members with excellent skills out there that are participating!

Elton
08-17-2013, 09:20 PM
First draft should be completed just as last draft is drunk:beer:. Here's hoping the prior is crafted as well...

Stoked. What I've read has been intriguing.

Elton
08-20-2013, 08:21 AM
First draft is in! Mr. Callaghan is a very good writer. Lots to chew on :)

Brandon Rice
08-20-2013, 09:55 AM
:thumbsup: Yes he is.

Charli
08-27-2013, 06:30 AM
Good luck, Bro! I know you like scary so go for it!

Elton
08-27-2013, 11:47 AM
Thanks Chuck.

Had a really good production meeting yesterday. Lots of progress made. This film is trickier location-wise than 'Classified Intelligence', but I'm going for it. May actually get some help from the Utah Film Commission this time.

Auditions and casting happening in the next few weeks.

Elton
08-31-2013, 02:50 PM
Part of the playlist for the road trip to a location scout today. :)

Up next--"Don't Fear The Reaper"

drapeama
08-31-2013, 04:17 PM
Part of the playlist for the road trip to a location scout today. :)
Sounds promising. Can't wait to watch your final cut!

Elton
08-31-2013, 07:00 PM
Took a few kiddos with me. They had fun while I saw some cool possibilities...

75766

Elton
08-31-2013, 07:13 PM
I love ghost towns

75769

Elton
08-31-2013, 07:17 PM
This building was like a small town 'Overlook Hotel .'

75770

drapeama
08-31-2013, 07:31 PM
This building was like a small town 'Overlook Hotel .'
Ohh...great location! You're lucky!

Elton
08-31-2013, 10:57 PM
Ohh...great location! You're lucky!

Thanks. I talked to some people there and it seemed attainable, but nothing's for sure until you're shooting.

Elton
08-31-2013, 11:08 PM
You know, I don't feel much confident to enter this fest now! There's a lot of reputable members with excellent skills out there that are participating!

You know what, it's really nothing to be intimidated by. These fests are all about encouragement and getting to the finish line. I don't consider myself any kind of accomplished filmmaker, I'm just gonna try to have fun and see if I can tell a coherent story and actually have a few genuine scares. It's not about the prizes or bragging rights. Like Stephen Mick said, the only way to become a better filmmaker is to keep making more films.

drapeama
09-01-2013, 05:51 AM
You know what, it's really nothing to be intimidated by. [..] Like Stephen Mick said, the only way to become a better filmmaker is to keep making more films.

1) The fear of doing something totally crappy when playing in the major league, is intimidating! ;)
2) I reckon that it's true. It's like anything else, the more you do, the more you master it.

Elton
09-01-2013, 08:48 AM
Expect to make crap! It's ok!! Everyone has to puke something out, but much can be learned and gained from the experience. The journey is the reward. And you may just surprise yourself with what you were able to achieve.

Everyone knows that making films is hard. Talking about making them is easy.

L1N3ARX
09-01-2013, 08:56 AM
Looks like a fun project Elton! I'm a BMCC shooter out in SLC, so if you could use an extra hand or something I'd love to help out:)

ZazaCast
09-01-2013, 09:04 AM
The journey is the reward. And you may just surprise yourself with what you were able to achieve.
Everyone knows that making films is hard. Talking about making them is easy.

This is the post of the year! Well said Elton, well said.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Elton
09-01-2013, 02:10 PM
Thanks fellas. Okay, I have a hell of a lucky location scout story that just happened a few hours ago. But let's just say I think my girls are good luck charms! Sorry, for some reason my vertical shots from the iPhone end up sideways when uploaded to this site. Fix later

Elton
09-01-2013, 03:16 PM
Looks like a fun project Elton! I'm a BMCC shooter out in SLC, so if you could use an extra hand or something I'd love to help out:)

Hey thanks! I'll be in touch. PM later

ZazaCast
09-01-2013, 05:37 PM
Wow... great locations AND help...who could ask for anything more?
I swear, I'm the ONLY DVXUser in all of upstate New York!

Elton
09-01-2013, 06:03 PM
I guess that makes you a *Lone Wolf*? And still truly using a DVX! Oh well, at least you don't have to worry about rolling shutter. Make the whole film a running handheld shot and rejoice in the lack of jello. :)

CallaghanFilms
09-01-2013, 08:16 PM
75820

drapeama
09-01-2013, 10:37 PM
And still truly using a DVX!
There's been nice productions recently (The Hurt Locker, Black Swan, The Wrestler..), and shot on the good old Super16! ;)

Elton
09-01-2013, 11:45 PM
75820

yep

ZazaCast
09-02-2013, 11:33 AM
I guess that makes you a *Lone Wolf*? And still truly using a DVX! Oh well, at least you don't have to worry about rolling shutter. Make the whole film a running handheld shot and rejoice in the lack of jello. :)

Just pulling the old DVX out of the closet for this one... thought it might be fun. I shoot most everything on the AF100 & HMC150 these days.
So, if all goes well, I'll tweak and shoot this a second time on the AF100 for future festivals!

CallaghanFilms
09-02-2013, 12:01 PM
Wait. That was a'possed ta be animated...http://www.retailrescue.com.au/images/puzzle_animated.GIF

Elton
09-02-2013, 12:25 PM
Just pulling the old DVX out of the closet for this one... thought it might be fun. I shoot most everything on the AF100 & HMC150 these days.
So, if all goes well, I'll tweak and shoot this a second time on the AF100 for future festivals!

Coolness...but are you a glutton for punishment? Why not rent that Panasonic 3D camera and shoot on it--that way you've already shot it twice!

Elton
09-02-2013, 12:26 PM
Wait. That was a'possed ta be animated...http://www.retailrescue.com.au/images/puzzle_animated.GIF

Hey, I guessed right! I'm not as dumb as I look!

ZazaCast
09-02-2013, 12:41 PM
Coolness...but are you a glutton for punishment? Why not rent that Panasonic 3D camera and shoot on it--that way you've already shot it twice!
I was just going to duct tape the two cameras together...that will work...right? :huh:
:)

Elton
09-02-2013, 01:07 PM
I was just going to duct tape the two cameras together...that will work...right? :huh:
:)

Close enough. Won't cause headaches I'm sure. ;-)

Elton
09-02-2013, 01:07 PM
One critical location secured!! Seriously geeked up now.

drapeama
09-02-2013, 01:45 PM
One critical location secured!! Seriously geeked up now.
Taking form slowly! Can't wait to watch it!

ZazaCast
09-11-2013, 05:55 AM
How goes it? :undecided

Elton
09-12-2013, 11:16 PM
Actually extremely well for not shooting yet. I'm very excited because things are falling into place.

I have nearly finished casting and securing crew, props, etc. We are doing a cold reading with some talent on Sunday, and I am going back to a location to do more scouting.

Maybe it sounds like overkill, but you know me ZaZa, I have a hard time taking small bites. Trust me, you will see why it took me a while to get going on this.

We will be shooting by the end of the month. I plan on doing some video blogs from the set for fun. Interviewing people, bts stuff etc.

drapeama
09-12-2013, 11:25 PM
We will be shooting by the end of the month.
If everything goes as planned (which usually never happens), I should start by the end of the month as well.
Script should be done by next week. 2 actors out of three are confirmed. 1 location still to confirm. Fingers crossed!

Elton
09-12-2013, 11:28 PM
If everything goes as planned (which usually never happens), I should start by the end of the month as well.
Script should be done by next week. 2 actors out of three are confirmed. 1 location still to confirm. Fingers crossed!

Excellent drapeama! Glad you're going for it!

Elton
09-12-2013, 11:36 PM
Here's some footage from a location we might possibly use. It's just me walking around with a dslr and a wide lens. Ignore the music--I realize it's melodramatic but I am a big Elmer Bernstein fan and for some reason when I watched the footage of my kids exploring it made me think of "To Kill a Mockingbird." The extra long shot was to basically give a tour of the location in its entirety.

http://youtu.be/XmeYfDQu8_I

Brandon Rice
09-12-2013, 11:57 PM
That is a sick location! When are you shooting?

Elton
09-13-2013, 12:20 AM
End of the month.

CallaghanFilms
09-13-2013, 01:13 AM
Utahoy!!

Brandon Rice
09-13-2013, 07:54 AM
End of the month.

Awesome!

ZazaCast
09-13-2013, 09:38 AM
Very nice location Elton (and beautiful children, makes be remember when my girls were that age!).
How did you find the place and what was involved in getting permissions to use it? I've found some nice
spots, but can't always get permission to use them. Most of the time, it's a matter of, "what if someone gets hurt?"...
do you carry insurance to cover that stuff, even for a short?

Elton
09-16-2013, 08:56 AM
Thanks ZaZa. :) I'm afraid I can only claim luck in this case. I was walking around the location with the kids when lo and behold the owner of the property (a vast acreage alongside the mountain which includes the mine) pulled up in a pickup truck with some grand kids on tow. It was a surreal moment...I just told him about our film while my kids started playing with his grand kids. I think they were my good luck charm--and it turned out we had mutual friends and family we knew from my wife's home town nearby. A very small world indeed.

Looks like we are shooting this weekend too!

ZazaCast
09-16-2013, 01:45 PM
Thanks ZaZa. :) I'm afraid I can only claim luck in this case. I was walking around the location with the kids when low and behold the owner of the property (a vast acreage alongside the mountain which includes the mine) pulled up in a pickup truck with some grand kids on tow. It was a surreal moment...I just told him about our film while my kids started playing with his grand kids. I think they were my good luck charm--and it turned out we had mutual friends and family we knew from my wife's home town nearby. A very small world indeed.

Looks like we are shooting this weekend too!

Oh man....nice.... And yes, I believe the kid's are the good luck charm. Have a great shoot!

Gord.T
09-16-2013, 08:05 PM
O.K., now we're talkin'! :thumbsup:
As always, this promises to be outstanding...and written by Mr. Callaghan no less....can't wait.

I know. Me too.

Elton
09-16-2013, 10:43 PM
Shooting Saturday and Sunday. I am a little dizzy; I have a crew. I have makeup FX!! I have a porta potty and motor home for the location!

So far it almost seems to good to be true so I'm starting to get a little superstitious and paranoid, expecting a fairly serious calamity to balance out all this good luck.

Will post some grabs next week if I survive.

Brandon Rice
09-20-2013, 10:15 AM
Dude, where did your posts go? Looking forward to this!! :thumbsup:

Elton
09-21-2013, 01:02 AM
Thanks Brandon. MUCH to come after this weekend. Working with more cast and crew than I ever have before. (On personal projects)

Suddenly I'm worried about feeding 25 people and a bazillion other things.

Cant sleep but going to try now.

ZazaCast
09-21-2013, 05:56 AM
Grabbage by tonight please! Hope you have a great shoot ...

Brandon Rice
09-21-2013, 05:23 PM
Yep!

Elton
09-21-2013, 09:57 PM
Hello boys and girls. Today's flim school lesson is "Never Use an Old Timey 1000 lb mining cart to get your gear onto location.

That is all. :)76514

Elton
09-21-2013, 09:58 PM
Hi ho, hi ho!!!

CallaghanFilms
09-21-2013, 10:38 PM
Hopefully you listened to Short Round and took the left tunnel...

Elton
09-21-2013, 11:15 PM
Yeah, missed that left tooun at Albuquerque

Elton
09-22-2013, 01:22 AM
As promised...grabbage from today.

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ZazaCast
09-22-2013, 03:55 AM
Oh boy... This is going to be a fun one! Looks great Elton. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Elton
09-22-2013, 07:59 AM
Thanks ZaZa. :)

Brandon Rice
09-23-2013, 11:09 AM
Wow, looks awesome! Can't wait to see this one!

Matt Harris
09-23-2013, 12:06 PM
this looks awesome elton! i can't believe you had a mine shaft and cart at your disposal, what a location. the makeup effects look great!

CallaghanFilms
09-23-2013, 02:04 PM
Baby, you ain't seen nothing yet...

Elton
09-23-2013, 04:52 PM
this looks awesome elton! i can't believe you had a mine shaft and cart at your disposal, what a location. the makeup effects look great!

Thanks Matt. Shooting in a cold mine shaft was hell, (about 45-50 degrees and then added wind chill from the shaft) especially on the kids, but it was worth it. That said, I don't recommend it if you can avoid it. :)

Chad and I had fun brainstorming a basic story idea, but then he had to go and get all ambitious with the damn screenplay. I had to try and get a good location or it might've not worked. We'll see...I'm pretty happy with what's in the can so far.

Elton
09-23-2013, 05:08 PM
One saving grace about shooting in a mine : Not plugging in a damn light anywhere.

High ISO, Low Noise = LED

Elton
09-23-2013, 07:41 PM
One from Sunday...

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drapeama
09-23-2013, 09:31 PM
One saving grace about shooting in a mine : Not plugging in a damn light anywhere.
What LED lights have been used there?

One from Sunday...
Looks awesome! Great shot! Lighting is excellent imho!

Elton
09-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Thanks drapeama. :)

We used about 6 or 7 lights that were about $35 a piece from Amazon (Neewer) and a large LitePanels LED panel. The Neewers ran on Costco AA batteries for the entire 5 hours in the mine without running out of juice. They were attached to small hand clamps that allowed us to hang them anywhere. The larger light ran off of larger ProX batteries.

Was happy that we never needed to fire up a generator.

Elton
09-24-2013, 03:09 PM
Here I am in "Rebel Without A Crew But That's Good Because He Needs To Exercise" mode. (Wife took the oh so flattering picture). Dig the tape on the camera too. Now that's street cred!

Matt Harris
09-24-2013, 03:22 PM
oh look at you mr. steadicam! i'm def coming to visit you so we can shoot something. make sure that mine shaft doesn't go anywhere.

Matt Harris
09-24-2013, 03:22 PM
actaully, can you tell us about how the steadicam works, is it easy to use?

Elton
09-24-2013, 04:26 PM
oh look at you mr. steadicam! i'm def coming to visit you so we can shoot something. make sure that mine shaft doesn't go anywhere.

oh it's not going anywhere, but it's like the Hotel California. "You can check out any time you like..."

Elton
09-24-2013, 04:32 PM
actaully, can you tell us about how the steadicam works, is it easy to use?

my favorite thing to shoot with. Poor man's "Full Steadicam" setup. It's a Glidecam 4000 Steady Shooter setup, from I think about 2006. Easy to balance and go all day with relatively light cameras like the FS700 I'm using there. It's a vest, stabilizing arm with adjustable tension springs to make the camera "float", and a Glidecam 4000 basic gimble thingabob camera platform with the counter weights on bottom.

It's simple and easy. I could actually do a lot of the same things without the vest and arm but it gets fatigue sets in sooner. With this I can shoot fast and free all day.

Elton
09-24-2013, 04:36 PM
And for anyone with a deeper geeky curiosity--the tape was because HDMI connections suck and we didn't have the locking kind of cables to more securely record to the Ninja 2.

Elton
09-24-2013, 11:05 PM
Added new teaser poster on the first page from the talented Mr. Harris!

drapeama
09-25-2013, 05:48 AM
We used about 6 or 7 lights that were about $35 a piece from Amazon (Neewer) and a large LitePanels LED panel. [..] Was happy that we never needed to fire up a generator.
1) Good! Thanks for the info!
2) That's always a good thing when you can go "portable" to shoot.

Here I am in "Rebel Without A Crew But That's Good Because He Needs To Exercise" mode.
Oh! I'm feeling poor with my little setup! ;)

Added new teaser poster on the first page from the talented Mr. Harris!
Looks nice.

ZazaCast
09-25-2013, 07:09 AM
Love the new poster (great Job Matt)! I have to second the Glidecam set-up, I have the X-10 and the vest & arm make all the difference, you can go pretty much all day.
...and remember Elton, "If you can't fix it with duct tape or a hammer, it's an electrical problem"!

:shocked:After seeing all these great filmmakers stills and such, I often wonder why I even bother, but it's just too much fun. :love4:

Brandon Rice
09-25-2013, 07:31 AM
Great poster! :thumbsup:

ZazaCast
09-25-2013, 08:10 AM
Please chime in!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?311453-HorrorFest-II-Official-Rules-amp-Prize-List/page7

Elton
09-25-2013, 08:40 AM
Love the new poster (great Job Matt)! I have to second the Glidecam set-up, I have the X-10 and the vest & arm make all the difference, you can go pretty much all day.
...and remember Elton, "If you can't fix it with duct tape or a hammer, it's an electrical problem"!

"Words of wisdom, Lloyd my man. Words...of...wisdom."

Gord.T
09-25-2013, 07:10 PM
Thanks for the production blog Brandon. Enjoying it.

Elton
09-26-2013, 09:49 AM
Love the new poster (great Job Matt):shocked:After seeing all these great filmmakers stills and such, I often wonder why I even bother, but it's just too much fun. :love4:

Isn't that the funny thing about frame grabs, though? Can be very misleading, just like trailers. I'm confident I've got something decent, but we'll see if it blends after I chop it.

Elton
09-26-2013, 04:38 PM
A few more from this weekend...
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Elton
09-26-2013, 04:39 PM
768457684676847

Elton
09-26-2013, 04:45 PM
Looking for a professional color grade finish too.

CallaghanFilms
09-26-2013, 07:47 PM
This pioneer is catchin' a Sunday redeye wagon train in the sky.
Go west, young scribe.... ah, er scribe.

Elton
09-26-2013, 08:36 PM
"Wagon Train's a really cool show, but did you notice they never get anywhere? They just keep wagon training."

ZazaCast
09-27-2013, 12:03 AM
Still looking good. Must be fun shooting in a cave...cold & damp (or at least all the caves in the northeast are)... But fun.
So glad we'll have the films ON Halloween, I'm going to have a little viewing party.

CallaghanFilms
09-27-2013, 12:10 AM
"Wagon Train's a really cool show, but did you notice they never get anywhere? They just keep wagon training."

That is funny for so many wheatons...

Elton
09-27-2013, 08:27 AM
Touché

CallaghanFilms
09-29-2013, 12:17 PM
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp340/callaghanfilms/image_zpsec351fe6.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp340/callaghanfilms/image_zps46cce3be.jpg

ZazaCast
09-29-2013, 02:37 PM
Yum... HorrorBrunch! :happy:

Elton
10-03-2013, 03:44 PM
I think we're out. Had some severe issues not worth going into.

It's a shame. Have nearly shot it all and have some nice stuff.

77034.

Good luck everbody!

Matthew B
10-03-2013, 03:46 PM
I think we're out. Had some severe issues not worth going into.

It's a shame. Have nearly shot it all and have some nice stuff.


Why not just cut something together with what you have?

ZazaCast
10-03-2013, 04:37 PM
WHAT???? OMG.... NOOOoooooooo! :shocked:

Elton
10-03-2013, 04:45 PM
Why not just cut something together with what you have?

Writer/Director falling out. Leave it at that

Elton
10-04-2013, 08:15 AM
I thought that was you...

Oh, I have plenty of falling outs with myself, but that wasn't the issue this time. Nor was script at all.

I'm not about to have a flame war, and anyone who knows me in the real meatspace world, knows I'm not a terribly egotistical guy. Probably too nice in many situations. I'll just say that I got three good performances, and one bad one from a rookie kid actor. (Took a chance on the adult lead's son--my mistake)

I'll just say I don't burn bridges easily. Even if I have to work around an "amateur hour" performance.

NICK ASH
10-09-2013, 12:09 PM
I just read this...WTF...this sucks. Your stuff looked to be awesome. Too bad you can't salvage something into somthing workable....

Wolf Tree was a film I was looking forward to seeing

Elton
10-09-2013, 01:45 PM
Still working on it and will have a finished film. Just uncertain about entering it because of issues with the writer. Ridiculous story but not worth going into.

NICK ASH
10-09-2013, 01:49 PM
Oh man, really sorry to hear that. The whole point in the end is to have fun making films. Good luck and hope the rest of the journey works out in your favor.

Matt Harris
10-09-2013, 01:57 PM
Elton i've had many subpar performances in my films, it's part of filmmaking. don't shelve this, persevere and finish your movie and enter it.
we all want to see it badly.

Elton
10-09-2013, 02:00 PM
I appreciate that, Matt.

I'm very happy with what I've shot and am cutting together. Yeah, there's been a lot to cut around but it's been a fun film to make despite all kinds of obstackles in my way. (what movie? ;_)

Brandon Rice
10-09-2013, 03:29 PM
Keep on keeping on :)

Charli
10-14-2013, 06:25 PM
I'm on Elton's corner if he doesn't want to show it, or show it in his own unique way. I've had my "disagreements" as a writer with a couple of directors, but I was able to mend misunderstandings. It's all part of the process working with people you don't know, which is exactly what filmmaking is really about - collaborating with strangers who you either work with again, or you don't, but you won't know until you get yourself out there.

I do think however writers need to have a better understanding of what directors go through, by possibly co-producing one. This no budget to low budget isn't cheap. I co-produced a film with Elton (few years ago when I had a hotel job) the expenses for food alone was alot. You think it's cheap to feed a "small" crew and cast? You have to feed them each time you film, and that's not including pick-up shots.

Writers don't think about that stuff. I think they focus so much on "their story" and "how they want it to be filmed" they forget they didn't pay a DIME to get that short film produced. I put out money for two films, got producer credit for a third for the "logistics" I was able to get through phone calls and such which saved the director a heap load of money.

When you write for a director keep in mind to let go and let them do the work, for they're the ones who spend days and nights, hours on end, to get the writer's word on film.

See it, don't see it, I'm with you Elton.

Writing is words on a page.

Filming is blood, sweat, tears, tension, and MONEY to get that film made.

Matt Harris
10-14-2013, 11:26 PM
Elton I gotta dig up some sound effects for you, you still need them right?

Elton
10-14-2013, 11:36 PM
Sure, can certainly use the help. So far, Zaza has helped me a great deal with some awesome stuff. Helped A HELL OF A LOT! That guy is a team player! Didn't have to do that and it is sincerely appreciated.

I have a cut basically done with original score and spotted sound fx in my timeline. Jeremy is working on more visual fx. Pretty happy so far. As far as the situation, I don't know. It is what it is. I am not a drama queen and just want to participate. I could actually be one of the first to upload which would be a real shocker.

I appreciate the comments Charli.

Charli
10-15-2013, 06:58 AM
Zaza is a cuddle bear awesome hunk of dude I adore.

Elton
10-15-2013, 07:20 AM
Ahem...ill just quote Ferris and say "Oh, he's very popular. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude."

ZazaCast
10-15-2013, 08:53 AM
Wow...thanks for the praise (I think?) you guys. I'm just your average Joe glad to lend a helping hand if I can...no strings attached. Both of you are stand-up people and I know would return the favor in a heartbeat, it's a pleasure to have gotten to know you both through this forum & I look forward to seeing this film completed.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must return to my film and slice off a little more "FRESH MEAT! :thumbsup:

Elton
10-15-2013, 09:22 AM
Deli-style thin slices or Porterhouse steak?


Keep that nose to the "grind" stone!!

alex whitmer
10-15-2013, 06:25 PM
sluts

You forgot groupies.

Matt Harris
10-15-2013, 10:07 PM
Elton I just sent you s ton of growling monster sounds, use 'em if you need them!

Elton
10-15-2013, 11:34 PM
Thanks Matt!

Elton
10-15-2013, 11:35 PM
You forgot groupies.

Ha!!

Hawk Teflon
10-16-2013, 11:11 AM
Just now catching up on everything. Really looking forward to seeing this, then saw:

"I think we're out. Had some severe issues not worth going into."

I'm really hoping you still enter, but I understand your call either way. I'm sorry it didn't go as planned, though. Everything looks really well done so far.

Marlon Ladd
10-16-2013, 11:39 AM
Yep, I hope you enter too. Those location shots looked great and those shots were really smooth!

Elton
10-21-2013, 12:13 AM
Thanks Marlon. Had a pick up shoot today. Some uncorrected grabs...

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Matt Harris
10-21-2013, 01:02 AM
Nice Elton!

Marlon Ladd
10-21-2013, 01:36 AM
Those are sweet! Very intriguing, man!

Elton
10-30-2013, 12:04 AM
I snuck it in!!!

So many screw ups but on with the show!!!

Matt Harris
10-30-2013, 12:12 AM
You did it man, you did it. Congrats, you overcame many obstacles.

Elton
10-30-2013, 12:47 AM
Thanks Matt. You are a righteous dude! Hope you like where I put your music track. Definitely helped in a scene I was struggling with, and you may get a laugh from it too.

Elton
10-30-2013, 08:29 AM
I wanna give a huge shout out to Matt Sorrels, who also did vfx work on "Arabella." He did some amazing clean up on some pretty troublesome shots at the 11th hour in our film. I had absolutley no time to do new credits before uploading so I want to let everyone know about him and his awesome contribution. Fantastic guy and another great example of the positive spirit of collaboration that's possible in these fests.

Thanks Matt!

Brandon Rice
10-30-2013, 09:05 AM
Can't wait to see your film!

Elton
10-30-2013, 09:15 AM
Likewise B man! Just go easy on expectations. I'm just hoping its reasonably entertaining. Never enough time

Marlon Ladd
10-30-2013, 11:05 AM
Glad to see you got everything done and submitted, Elton! Looking forward to it.

Elton
10-30-2013, 11:26 AM
Same Marlon! Now we get to finally have a little baby shower! I always think mine is the ugliest.

Lynchenstein
10-31-2013, 12:23 PM
I've just finished my first screening of Wolf Tree. Great stuff, thanks!

Zak Forsman
10-31-2013, 08:49 PM
a solid effort. some beautiful compositions in this short, you've got a great eye. for me, the key area to improve upon would be the writing -- had some structural and tone issues, imo. and the performance of the blond haired kid was weak. but i really admired the direction in many ways mostly because it surprised me a few times... in a good way.

Elton
10-31-2013, 10:21 PM
Thanks Zak! Learned a lot and am working on a better edit. Want to make it more coherent and am the first to admit I'm not the most gifted editor. I think there's a better film in there even with the blonde kid's performance. Have a lot of material I never even had a chance to address.

I knew trying to do a werewolf thing was gonna be tough but so be it. I have enjoyed the journey

Hawk Teflon
11-01-2013, 06:39 PM
SPOILERS. PLEASE STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THIS SHORT.

What I liked: You had some really nice looking shots and locations throughout the entire short. Not just one or two, either. I liked the eyes on the werewolves as well. Was that in post or contacts? If it was post, it was done VERY well. Pretty gnarly scene if the dad being bitten, too.

What I didn't like as much (so please take this opinion with a grain of salt): I'm a pretty dumb dude, I know. Man, I did not understand the reference to the tree at the beginning at all. They never were there to my recollection. When they were in the cave and scared and said, "Let's get out of here," why didn't they just go out the opening they just came into? I also didn't understand what he was supposed to be swearing and "please mean." I feel like a line was cut that might have explained that.

All in all, a really solid entry. But I would expect no less from you.

Elton
11-01-2013, 10:14 PM
SPOILERS. PLEASE STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THIS SHORT.

What I liked: You had some really nice looking shots and locations throughout the entire short. Not just one or two, either. I liked the eyes on the werewolves as well. Was that in post or contacts? If it was post, it was done VERY well. Pretty gnarly scene if the dad being bitten, too.

Hawk, thank you very much for the comments and criticism. It is VERY well taken and I don't have thin skin about this. I know it is what it is and has issues--I'll try to explain things as best I can:

Thank you about the look of the film. I tried to make the most of an interesting location and I am spoiled here in Utah--there are lots of visually cool places to shoot. I had told Chad about some interesting locations as possibilities here, and silver mines seemed like a great fit for a werewolf story of sorts. (i.e. silver bullet mythos) The eyes were all contacts (cheapies unfortunately and all the same) but there simply wasn't enough time to do what I had hoped with them in post. Same with fangs, etc. I went with what I had and that was that. Essentially, since I didn't have Rick Baker making my dream werewolf, I thought minimalist moon "berserkers" might work. Basically lunar spell-rabid-rage virus infected blokes. With some vfx work ahead I think they can be at least passable.

I had a little bit of crew the first day of the shoot, but people dropped out after some setbacks and I ended up going mostly solo as far as cinematography goes.


What I didn't like as much (so please take this opinion with a grain of salt): I'm a pretty dumb dude, I know. Man, I did not understand the reference to the tree at the beginning at all. They never were there to my recollection. When they were in the cave and scared and said, "Let's get out of here," why didn't they just go out the opening they just came into? I also didn't understand what he was supposed to be swearing and "please mean." I feel like a line was cut that might have explained that.


About the tree--The whole idea of it was to try and open up the world with an origin story of sorts to the "pack". The story was based on an old pioneer legend from the area but simply couldn't film what was written.

I was going to do an opening title card a lot like Pulp Fiction that defined the movie's title as a dictionary term. This is from Merriam-Webster

wolf tree

noun


Definition of WOLF TREE

: a very large forest tree that has a wide-spreading crown and inhibits or prevents the growth of smaller trees around it

First Known Use of WOLF TREE

1928






So yeah--I bit off a lot and only filmed part of the story. The other thing that I know is very ambiguous is the whole "I swear it" thing at the end. The idea was to try and convey that the werewolves (as supernatural beings) could sniff out a lie easily. My intent was to try and make it seem like a supernatural miracle that they let the kid go. Well--I had some cool macro close-ups of eyes in slomo, but that was a tough sell no matter what. A bunch of people involved wanted me to have the kid say "I'll never tell" so that it's more clear that it was like an oath given to the pack. I may still do that, but we'll see.

As far as the kids going into the silver mine instead of walking out the gate--it was supposed to be implied that the pack was right outside and would've killed the kid if it weren't for the boy werewolf. Again, tough to sell the idea was that the silver mine was like radiation poisoning to the werewolves. Obviously, I had performance issues in this scene particularly, and I cut out a lot of dialog.


Thanks again for the comments!

ZazaCast
11-02-2013, 06:35 PM
Elton... what can I say... great job and I'm still jealous of that location! Knowing the struggle behind this one I have to commend you on getting it together
and out. Film production certainly can be a battle and fight you every step of the way. You whipped this on into fine shape!

I thought the acting all-around was very good, even with a little stumble here & there. You did a great job shooting this, just some beautiful shots. I did find the a bit of
the tunnel shots tough to see on my TV but nothing too bad. Great make-up & glowing eyes. LOVED the SloMo of the guy getting eaten. I know this isn't the final, final cut
...so I can't wait to see it in it's complete form. Really great job!

NICK ASH
11-02-2013, 10:58 PM
Elton,

Your film was an anticipated one for me. I like the location a lot. You are lucky to have access to it. I liked how you made it seem that it was indeed a 3-4 hour hike in the middle of no where. I tried to pull the same thing off but had to scrap it because of time. I too filmed in an old silver mine but because of the story line I didn't reveal it as such. I know the challenges of filming in one. Since we are in the Mojave Desert there is so much dirt everywhere our equipment was filthy and we were constantly breathing in dust.

I thought your lighting was a little dark in spots in the mine. I ended up grabbing an inexpensive led panel for our mine shots that had the option of running off of batteries. This was great cause I knew a generator was out of the question and it was so easy to move and set up.

I thought that in the beginning when the characters meet, there could more ambient noise like wind and tress wrestling to give it more depth. I loved the DVX image and everyone peeing on the same tree. I thought this was really creative.

Overall, I really enjoyed the film. I read that you may do a re-edit and I would love to see it. Great job and I look forward to seeing more work from you in the future.

Elton
11-03-2013, 08:18 AM
Thanks for the input, fellas! It's been a fun challenge

David Webb
11-04-2013, 05:25 PM
Interesting to see the comments on our little film. Had many of the same concerns and issues with the film notable the kid dialogue being ambiguous about the "Swearing" considering it was 5 hours in a chilly mine with a first time actor (Ephraim) with his shirt off most of the time it could been worse. Also the riches of location is very true and was something myself and the other Actor/.Producer stressed very strongly. For the record I was "Porter" and we overcame a lot of issues to make this happen ;)

David Webb
11-04-2013, 05:28 PM
I also can vouch for Elton's passion and lack of thin skin about this project ;) cause he would have skinned me alive already if he didn't ha ha.

David Webb
11-04-2013, 05:31 PM
Same Marlon! Now we get to finally have a little baby shower! I always think mine is the ugliest.
you so stole that from me Elton lmao!

David Webb
11-04-2013, 05:37 PM
a solid effort. some beautiful compositions in this short, you've got a great eye. for me, the key area to improve upon would be the writing -- had some structural and tone issues, imo. and the performance of the blond haired kid was weak. but i really admired the direction in many ways mostly because it surprised me a few times... in a good way.
It was the "Blond Haired Kid"s first time in front of the camera and his first scene was 5 hours 500 feet back in a cold silver mine with his shirt off most of the time. Just incase anybody was wondering ;) And I agree the writing could have used some improvement as we urged at the time strenuously ;). For the record Elton was great to work with and learned a lot from this project. Dave aka Porter/Alpha Werewolf

David Webb
11-04-2013, 06:22 PM
Damn I shoulda had some hair gel on set.

Matthew B
11-05-2013, 01:30 AM
Not much I can add that hasn't already been said. There were some nice shots in this short, but there were also some average looking shots in there as well. I think if you can get your shot consistency up it would make a huge improvement. I did find some of the acting and dialogue a bit on the nose, particularly the exchange at the beginning about the helicopter. I also think the edit could be tightened up to make this a little more coherent and a new grade would do well. I did get a little lost with the story as well, but thought some of the special FX makeup looked kinda cool. I thought your location was pretty cool and with a recut/regrade this could have some potential.

Chris_Keaton
11-09-2013, 09:19 AM
The opening dialog turned me off, because why would there be kids there? And the one excuse made me groan. I don't think it would've if we would've seen the mother and the family dynamic before this scene, but we didn't so all we have is the excuse. That's what makes shorts hard, you don't have the time to fight off that disbelieve. The DVX thing made me laugh. That sure is a long piss scene. Where did the premonition talk come from? I love when people find great locations. You didn't reach the 10 minute mark, but it still felt like things were missing. What was he swearing, to not tell? The kids dialog or maybe it was the delivery kind of bugged me. I loved the ambition with this one. Good job.

JaceDaniel
11-09-2013, 11:57 AM
I enjoyed it! It had some fun movements and some nice camerawork with the wide angle lens on steadicam.
I think the major part it suffered was the acting on the teen parts.... and jeez the pissing scene was freaking awkward lol
One little nitpick (probably youtube’s fault), but the color wasn’t consistent between shots. One shot the screen would be tinted green, the next, purple.

Final note, a worthy effort and I appreciate the outcome!

Jack Daniel Stanley
11-11-2013, 10:27 PM
Some great shots and staging. Great steadi cam.
Performances uneven and some dialogue a little stiff.
Like the silhouette backlit shots walking into the cave.
Great slo mo werwolf silhouette in the cave in trance.
Like the extreme wide angle lens to discover the bodies.
Like the birdseye when there surrounded.
The day for night and the makeup looks pretty good.
The slowmo eating really works too - great visual, staging and sound design.
Some of these tracking shots in the cave with the warm green moss and cool walls are great.
The warm flashlights look great with the cool walls too.
Great shot when the kid turns around and he’s face to face with the older werwolf.
Like how you get the blood to pop even in the cool tones.
Good subtle pale makeup on the blond wolf kid - works great with the lighting.


Not 100% on the story - did they bring these folks out here to turn them also? Do they try to lock themselves up in the mines on full moons but things went wrong?


Your art direction, camera movement, cinematography - all working well for you. Color palette especially nice.

Nice work!

lawriejaffa
12-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Ah... WOLF TREE!

This film is a very interesting mix of far range inconsistencies (which hey... isn't necessarily a bad thing on the way towards GREATNESS hehe!)

The effort employed on the cinematography is admirable, and the mid shots in particular are very attractive. The wide shows are dominated by pans / and tracks and so forth - I dunno.

When you have the beauty of this natural environment, we never get the opportunity to take in its majesty or grandeur which would have really placed these characters as the tiny insects they are in this great place.

The constant movement on the wides almost gave it a kind of television looks (for a moment it actually reminded me of the Asylum productions!)

Then we get to the PEEING SCENE! Wow... that (and the dvx placement) was a little overkill. But the peeing scene was hilarious, the longing looks... the batting eyelashes... the constant glances between father and son... their furtive members twitching in the forest... peeing... peeeeeing....

for some 10 minutes. Dad is just a little too curious about his sons penis... don't you think?

The slow mos in general DO NOT WORK imo in this film. From the peeing to the scenes where they look around themselves at the monsters. The repetition of sound effects combined with the slow mo (like the peeing scene) brings an unintended level of humour imo.

That said, the make up - effort, and the scenes that take place inside the cave with the boys - is a marked improvement! Now... what if the story had moved THERE faster... so that the action comprised of their life and death struggle to escape a mine pursued by these nightmares!

Instead we get the awkward lines between the boys... "I'M NOT WHO YOU THINK I AM?" - what a 13 year old Bon Jovi? Of course not? We don't need to know this... you've give us MONSTERS!

WE WANT MONSTERS BRO!

So... a lot of great ideas - beautiful mid shots, awkward wides... great monsters... awkward slow mo action scenes... A real mix - I wonder if this is not a film that genuinely might not improve 300% through another editors perspective.

Elton
01-19-2014, 11:29 AM
Hey JDS and Lawrie,

Thank you so much! I thoroughly enjoyed the review/feedback. There is hardly anything that I would disagree with. I sincerely appreciate the time you guys took to watch and give great constructive feedback! It was fun to make the film even in its current unfinished condition. I haven't really thought about it much in months. I had a great many trials in making it, but I am happy to have taken my first honest stab at horror.

@ Lawrie--

Just some quick responses to each thing you mentioned...

--Thanks about the cinematography. I actually had a DP that dropped out on me and I just did the best I could, mostly on my trusty Glidecam. Definitely too many wide pans. I agree that I could've done more with the environment but as it is probably painfully obvious, much of my shoot was glorified "run-n-gun" and I didn't have much time to indulge my inner Mallick. :)

--Ah yes, the PEEING scene. Haha, at least a few people had some biting laughs from it. I know it's awkward as hell, which was my intention. Very over the top for sure. I actually shouldn't have added the scene because it was a pick up scene I shot late October and in general it was a silly, hurried edit. I hope to find some editing help, and yeah, I could really use an objective eye. Basically, the gist of it is that the werewolf father and son were actually marking territory and signalling/foreshadowing a ritual kill for the rest of the "pack." It's super ridiculous but there's actually a lot of material that I didn't address that might sell what I was suggesting. We'll see.

--Yeah, the mine is pretty cool, but holy cow was it a nightmare to shoot in! Complete darkness everywhere and a persistent cold wind shaft-breeze that made it really tough to just think straight after a few hours. Grabbing LED lights to just go and find equipment all the time...whoa, it was tough on both the crew and the kids. Yes, the blonde kid was the main performance issue but I have to have some compassion for the misery he was going through in that scene.

I do love your suggestion about making more of the film about a nightmare chase inside the mine. Obviously I didn't sell the kryptonite-like effect the silver mine had on the werwolves all that well.

--I think some of the slomo works, but probably much less of it in a much tighter edit. And of course with finished FX on the fangs, etc would've helped. It's unintentionally funny that they look like "Deliverance" hillbilly werewolves. Haha


Again, thank you so much for the thoughtful criticism. It's given me some inspiration to see what can be done with a much better editor than myself!

Cheers!

Elton