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Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 01:39 AM
Quick question guys,

I've been filming with a Panasonic AG HMC 40 but i'm ready to step into the dslr game, been doing some homework on which one to get since i'm solely relying on the video aspect of the camera. I'm leaning towards the panasonic GH2, only thing is, what lens should I get? I pretty much film club events and parties/people dancing all the time, sometimes i'm in tight areas but i'll make room so I can get good footage, so with those factors what would you guys recommend also i'll have a led light attached to the camera.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMm7fB6DZoU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssMVSjY6pZ8

atarijedi
05-20-2012, 02:08 AM
I would get a fast lens, since clubs and such are dark.

I would get the GH2 body, however much it costs, and separately buy the Olympus 14-54 f/2.8-3.5 for $599, it is a 4/3rds lens, so will require an adapter, all the reviews I have read say it is an awesome lens. The DMW-MA1 adapter is only an extra $100 or so.

Then you can save up to get the $2300 Olympus 14-35mm f/2.0!!

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 02:58 AM
are those lens for photography or videography as I am mainly concerned about the video aspect

Thomas Smet
05-20-2012, 03:05 AM
You will find a f3.5 to f5.6 lens not much brighter then the HMC40. I have both cameras and the HMC40 is killer in bright light but suffers massive head trama in dark environments. The same is true of the slow kit lens although it is a bit better. The nice thing about the GH2 is the higher ISO's are lightyears cleaner looking then using high gain on the hmc40. Even my GH1 at ISO1600 looks cleaner then then the hmc40 at 24db and the GH2 is even better. If it wasn't for the fixed pattern noise on the GH1 at ISO1600 I would say it was usable but I tend to not go over ISO640 or ISO800.

If you can live without a zoom lens I would consider some fast primes. A DSLR really shines when you give it a f1.8 or faster lens. You will freak seeing how much brighter it is then the hmc40.

brunerww
05-20-2012, 03:36 AM
Justin - you can get the GH2 with the 14-42 cheaper than body only in many places, especially at Unique Photo. You can sell the lens and reduce the cost of your body even more.

I agree with atarijedi on the fast 4/3 zooms. I have the Olympus 11-22 f2.8-3.5 and an old Sigma 18-50 f2.8.

But for ultimate low light performance, you'll want a prime. People swear by the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 - a very expensive manual lens, but worth the money for some low light shooters. Here is what it looks like in an indoor situation similar to what you'll be shooting: https://vimeo.com/21195705

In my view, any quality lens works well with this camera to produce awesome stills and video.

Good luck with your decision,

Bill

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 07:57 AM
I want to be able to catch as much people as possible and be able to film from head to at least their thighs while filming, do the lens i've been reading here do that and do they have OIS?

flinty
05-20-2012, 08:16 AM
Dont forget the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 is 50mm in real terms so not that wide,there is the Pana pancake 14mm f 2.5 and 20mm f 1.7 . 28 and 40 35 mm equivalent_ they are cheap lenses to buy.

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 08:32 AM
FYI - Budget of $400-$500 on lens which has OIS

spamrakuen
05-20-2012, 08:53 AM
FYI - Budget of $400-$500 on lens which has OIS

There is no such thing.

If you want fast glass; fixed primes without OIS (great and no expensive ones are; Pana 14mm f2.5 and 20mm f1.7, and Oly 45mm f1.8).

evanflys
05-20-2012, 09:09 AM
I like my Pany 25mm at f1.4. It's really sharp, fast, and needs no adapter

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 09:19 AM
There is no such thing.

If you want fast glass; fixed primes without OIS (great and no expensive ones are; Pana 14mm f2.5 and 20mm f1.7, and Oly 45mm f1.8).

lol, I was afraid of that, whats the most decent one with OIS cost?

spamrakuen
05-20-2012, 09:29 AM
lol, I was afraid of that, whats the most decent one with OIS cost?

Pana 12-35 f2.X
Not yet released. So price is unkown.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/11/PanasonicConceptLenses

It must be released this year.
But it will be quite expensive.

Bruce Foreman
05-20-2012, 11:23 AM
There is no such thing. (Re: OIS on fast primes)

If you want fast glass; fixed primes without OIS (great and no expensive ones are; Pana 14mm f2.5 and 20mm f1.7, and Oly 45mm f1.8).

I have all three of these and they will do what the OP wants just about better than anything else. For him in clubs the Oly 45 will have him backing off a bit but that f1.8 and the optical performance is great.

He will likely get the most use out of the Lumix 14mm f2.5 and the Lumix 20mm f1.7. Where the light is really minimal the 20mm will be the "weapon of choice", but the 14mm f2.5 will still turn in respectable low light performance at ISO 3200.

Bruce Foreman
05-20-2012, 11:24 AM
There is no such thing.

If you want fast glass; fixed primes without OIS (great and no expensive ones are; Pana 14mm f2.5 and 20mm f1.7, and Oly 45mm f1.8).


lol, I was afraid of that, whats the most decent one with OIS cost?

With the 14mm you DON'T NEED OIS!!!! It's wide enough you should be able to hold it pretty smoothly.

With the 20mm you SHOULDN'T need OIS. It is what I call "wide" normal and you should be able to handhold it steady enough. Practice bracing with elbows tucked against your side. Practice works.

With the Oly 45mm, in the close environment of many clubs you might not be able to back off much to use this one, but if you can you can find ways to "brace" yourself. I'm 73 and I can hold it steady enough for short "takes".

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 01:49 PM
With the 14mm you DON'T NEED OIS!!!! It's wide enough you should be able to hold it pretty smoothly.

With the 20mm you SHOULDN'T need OIS. It is what I call "wide" normal and you should be able to handhold it steady enough. Practice bracing with elbows tucked against your side. Practice works.

With the Oly 45mm, in the close environment of many clubs you might not be able to back off much to use this one, but if you can you can find ways to "brace" yourself. I'm 73 and I can hold it steady enough for short "takes".

Thank you, wil be looking into 14mm and the 20mm

Justin Richardson
05-20-2012, 01:51 PM
please note guys, I'll have a led light attached to my camera, sorry I didn't mention that earlier

brunerww
05-20-2012, 05:19 PM
There is no such thing.

If you want fast glass; fixed primes without OIS (great and no expensive ones are; Pana 14mm f2.5 and 20mm f1.7, and Oly 45mm f1.8).

One "fast" lens with OIS is the Panasonic 14-50 f2.8-3.5 for 4/3. Used for $549 at Amazon. Sometimes less on eBay. Yes, you would need the DMW-MA1 adapter.

Bruce was right, though - you won't need OIS with the 14/2.5 or 20/1.7.

Cheers,

Bill

OldCorpse
05-20-2012, 05:58 PM
I don't know how it would fit into your budget, but there's the Noktor 12mm f/1.6 and the Nokton 17mm f/0.95 - both of these would be wide enough and superfast, and at 12mm (24 on GH2), IOS is not as useful. Probably a bit too much money, especially on the 17mm.

spamrakuen
05-20-2012, 11:25 PM
Pana 12-35 f2.X
Not yet released. So price is unkown.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/11/PanasonicConceptLenses

It must be released this year.
But it will be quite expensive.

Well, this lens has been announced.
It will be released in June for 1100€.

flinty
05-20-2012, 11:41 PM
Dont forget the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 is 50mm in real terms so not that wide,there is the Pana pancake 14mm f 2.5 and 20mm f 1.7 . 28 and 40 35 mm equivalent_ they are cheap lenses to buy.


It seems this is the more general opinion,and if there is lighting the 14mm will easily cope.Good cheap lenses.

Justin Richardson
05-24-2012, 04:50 PM
It seems this is the more general opinion,and if there is lighting the 14mm will easily cope.Good cheap lenses.
Will check out that lens

Bruce Foreman
05-24-2012, 11:34 PM
One further suggestion, original question was purchase with or without 14-42 "kit" lens. While right now, B&H has the GH2 with 14-42 "kit" lens for $849 and the body only for $100 less, just a few weeks ago when I ordered mine the camera with lens was $814 and the body only $849 (feels like they paid me $35 to take that lens off their hands).

For awhile it was $849 with or without lens.

If in the time frame you are ready to place your order they have either of those options going, take the lens (if I had to order right now, I'd take the lens and bite the bullet).

While you won't use it in clubs or similar settings it is still a very handy lens for outdoors or fairly well lit interiors because it covers a very useful range from a "workhorse" wideangle to portrait perspective telephoto. While many like to run this "kit" lens down as being poor quality, optically is is a pretty good performer.

I've shot comparison on the same outdoor scene (still photos) with both the Lumix 14mm and the 14mm end of both the Lumix version and the Olympus Zuiko version of this "kit" lens and had to "pixel peep" to tell any slight difference.

It's a pretty handy inexpensive lens to have in the bag.

CRFilms
05-25-2012, 03:47 AM
Also don't forget the
DMW-GWC1 wide angle adapter. It was just released and can convert the 14mm even wider. It was also designed with that lens in mind and it's only one of two lenses it attaches to so you'll get great image quality.

And don't doubly forget CCTV lenses and c-mount cine lenses. With the ETC you can zoom in and use as wide as 4mm lenses that are even faster than F1.8. You gain some low light noise, but if you get a fast enough lens, that could negate those issues, though then you'd have to worry about DOF.

Also if you really need low light in situations where noise is too much....max iso works really good in black n white, while in color it would be almost unusable. So you could shoot B&W and people would think you were being "artistic".

Shenan
05-25-2012, 08:57 AM
Justin, I have a different perspective for you. I'm always surprised that people don't bring this up very often on this board, but you have to be very careful to avoid rolling shutter jello effects if you go handheld on the GH2 with a non-OIS lens. I bring this up to you for two reasons: because you currently use the HMC40, which, being a dedicated video camera, is probably optimized to reduce the jello effect, and second, because you seem to do a lot of handheld work in your event coverage.

I used the Panasonic/Leica 25mm f/1.4 (a non-OIS lens) for an event, and most of the handheld footage had bad micro jitters/jello from rolling shutter. I have not tried the 14mm or 20mm so can't say if they're better. They should be at least a little bit better because they're wider. I ended up returning the 25mm because of this.

Anyway, I would strongly recommend an OIS lens for your specific use. If you can wait and afford it, the new 12-35 f/2.8 would probably be ideal for you.

Oh, one other thing, how do you run the focus on the HMC40 on your events? Auto or manual? I find the manual focus on the Panasonic native m43 lenses to be pretty annoying. The focus-by-wire on the 25mm would typically either take 2 full turns of the ring to go from a near object to a far object and vice versa, which introduced camera shake, and if I spun the ring really quick (which reduces the amount of rotation needed), it made it shake even worse.

Regardless of what you end up deciding, definitely practice with some throw away footage before you actually cover an event, so you get a feel for what is possible. Also, consider a shoulder rig or at least a pistol grip, which should help with stability.

Good luck!

Justin Richardson
06-11-2012, 02:55 AM
thanks for the advice, for focus, I use manual, i've use my camera everyday so its not annoying to me, at first it was annoying though, now i've perfected the use of it "i think" lol

GrahamH
06-11-2012, 03:33 AM
For that field of view and that budget I would recommend the Pany 14mm f2.5 plus 20mm f1.7. Or, if you can do without autofocus maybe the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8.

If OIS is imperative, maybe the Pany 14-42mm or 14-45 with a good on camera LED?

Justin Richardson
07-27-2013, 06:31 AM
It comes down to these choices guys since i'll be mostly in low light.If u had to choose one, what would it be?

noktor 17.5mm

lumix 12-35mm
oly 12mm

slr magic 12mm

thabo
09-17-2013, 10:08 PM
I have an HMC40 and GH2 with kit lens 14-140, the HMC40 as you know is horrible in anything but direct sunlight so yes getting the GH2 will fix the low light issues but the rocker zoom on the HMC40 will be missed, and you'll have to try to pull focus too, DSLR depth of field goodness. You can get these little CCTV lenses with an adaptor for dirt cheap, off ebay, someting like f1.2 and for about $100, the lens is excellent in low light and sure not going to be a good as a legit lens that will probably set you back 3k or more with that f stop and wide angle.

thabo
09-17-2013, 10:09 PM
Oh and yes these other lenses, cheap buggers have no OIS so you have been warned. But for very wide shots you shouldn't need too much OIS.