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Simon Shasha
05-06-2012, 10:08 AM
With the FS700 release looming, and now that we know it's coming in at $7999USD, could it trigger a price-drop on the C300? What do you guys think?

alpi69
05-06-2012, 12:11 PM
Why should it?
The C300 has a better body, Canon mount, C-log and a few more advantages.

The FS700 does have a great overcranking-mode. But it can't compete with the C300 otherwise. So I guess the C300 will keepmselling well in its market, while the FS700 has its own slo-mo market.

cowpunk52
05-06-2012, 12:58 PM
A price drop on the C300 won't happen for quite some time, probably at least a couple of years, and the fs700 won't change that. Dealers are still having a hard time keeping EF models in stock, and the camera offers several significant advantages over the fs700 - especially for broadcast applications. As Alpi says, the fs700 services a separate product niche.

Jay Birch
05-06-2012, 01:07 PM
Don't forget the broadcast codec.... That saves you money and real estate on the external recorder.

Jim Anderson
05-06-2012, 01:44 PM
I agree with Jay on that point. I had been considering a Sony F3 until the C300 came along and offered 50mbps 422 in-camera recording. I already owned a 5D package with a trove of lenses and multiple CF cards. Too bad the batteries were not the same as the 5D, but to me, that's no deal breaker.

Simon Shasha
05-06-2012, 02:10 PM
Why should it?
The C300 has a better body, Canon mount, C-log and a few more advantages.

The FS700 does have a great overcranking-mode. But it can't compete with the C300 otherwise. So I guess the C300 will keepmselling well in its market, while the FS700 has its own slo-mo market.

I do like the C300's ergonomic design a lot better too. For $400, there is the Metabones electronic EF adapter for the FS700. The Sony cine-gammas are supposedly really flat, haven't had a chance to see them with my own eyes yet though. Philip Bloom used a really nice picture-profile in his FS100 "Portrait of a Boxer" clip, Frank Glencairn’s G-Log A: http://philipbloom.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Screen-shot-2012-04-09-at-17.18.20.png

Could also use a Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 - $345, and a Sandisk 480GB Extreme 2.5" SSD (Read 540MB/s, Write 460MB/s) - $490 (these are all Australian prices by the way) to record in ProRes 422 to get around the AVCHD codec - but there's nothing like a good internal recording I guess. Still, not bad for all under $10K!

vincent thomas
05-06-2012, 02:16 PM
Concerning Mount, i think the FS 700 offer great possibilities here then eventually coming soon some motorized zoom. If C-Log is great , the way highlights are clipped on the C300 is definively a problem for me...
I agree with you on the form factor of the C300, it rocks...



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Why should it?
The C300 has a better body, Canon mount, C-log and a few more advantages.

The FS700 does have a great overcranking-mode. But it can't compete with the C300 otherwise. So I guess the C300 will keepmselling well in its market, while the FS700 has its own slo-mo market.

cowpunk52
05-06-2012, 03:00 PM
I do like the C300's ergonomic design a lot better too. For $400, there is the Metabones electronic EF adapter for the FS700. The Sony cine-gammas are supposedly really flat, haven't had a chance to see them with my own eyes yet though. Philip Bloom used a really nice picture-profile in his FS100 "Portrait of a Boxer" clip, Frank Glencairn’s G-Log A: http://philipbloom.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Screen-shot-2012-04-09-at-17.18.20.png

Could also use a Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 - $345, and a Sandisk 480GB Extreme 2.5" SSD (Read 540MB/s, Write 460MB/s) - $490 (these are all Australian prices by the way) to record in ProRes 422 to get around the AVCHD codec - but there's nothing like a good internal recording I guess. Still, not bad for all under $10K!

The sony cams are definitely not bad, especially for the price. But C300 users pay the premium to not have to do 'workarounds' that cost time, money, weight, and resources. And while i'm certain the new cinegammas can be nice and flat, they still aren't logarithmic. No way around that.

stevedocmaker
05-06-2012, 07:42 PM
They both seem to have drawbacks, and price is certainly one of for the C300. But look at the 5D3, it took years before the price came down. Canon has almost no history of quick price drops.

From what I've seen and read, it's a tough call unless money is no object. The C300 is clearly a better designed camera, but not by a factor of 2. Remember, Sony dominated this corner of the market for years, but they've been scrambling to catch up after the 5D-DSLR craze hit. And given the state of affairs at Sony, I think it's more likely that we see a price drop on the FS700 than on the C300.

I am, however, anxious to see if Canon comes out with a slightly more modest C-cam (C100?), although it's hard to imagine what they could strip out.

bill totolo
05-06-2012, 11:03 PM
I lent a hand on a shoot with a pre-release version of the FS700 today, all I can say is Sony should sell a ton of these. It's priced right and it delivers.
Amazing 240fps 1080 slow mo. Images reviewed on a 42" Samsung held up very nicely, (of course we shot all daylight exteriors), but once you see what 240fps looks like, you want to use this camera. It's a great 1080 camera, I'm debating whether to replace my F3 or use this as a supplement to it.

Simon Shasha
05-07-2012, 01:26 AM
I lent a hand on a shoot with a pre-release version of the FS700 today, all I can say is Sony should sell a ton of these. It's priced right and it delivers.
Amazing 240fps 1080 slow mo. Images reviewed on a 42" Samsung held up very nicely, (of course we shot all daylight exteriors), but once you see what 240fps looks like, you want to use this camera. It's a great 1080 camera, I'm debating whether to replace my F3 or use this as a supplement to it.

Thanks for the insight, Bill! Is there anything else you could share? What was the dynamic-range like perhaps? Did you get to shoot in low-light at all? Was the digital-noise "organic" looking like the C300's? Sorry about the questions (it's okay if you can't answering them!) - I'm just anxious for FS700 info! :)

cowpunk52
05-07-2012, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the insight, Bill! Is there anything else you could share? What was the dynamic-range like perhaps? Did you get to shoot in low-light at all? Was the digital-noise "organic" looking like the C300's? Sorry about the questions (it's okay if you can't answering them!) - I'm just anxious for FS700 info! :)

You'd probably do better to ask those questions in the Sony forum.

bill totolo
05-07-2012, 10:00 AM
Didnt get a chance go analyze DR, but with the cinegamma settings and exposing for highlights the camera had a very smooth gradation from harsh light into shadow. It wasn't contrasty. And flesh tones looked great, very natural.

As for grain, in this light (daylight ext) there was none so I can't say.

Simon Shasha
05-07-2012, 11:09 AM
Didnt get a chance go analyze DR, but with the cinegamma settings and exposing for highlights the camera had a very smooth gradation from harsh light into shadow. It wasn't contrasty. And flesh tones looked great, very natural.

As for grain, in this light (daylight ext) there was none so I can't say.

Thanks for the reply, Bill! The cine-gammas sound very encouraging! Same goes for the skin-tones too! Did you guys record internally, or to external an recorder?

Thanks again!

bill totolo
05-07-2012, 11:29 AM
Recorded to a $30 Transcend SD card.

Paper_bag
08-22-2012, 01:37 AM
For what it's worth, one can buy a brand-new C300 for AU$11,000 now, albeit grey market. Don't know whether it was the FS700 that caused the price drop, or BMC or KineRAW or whatever else...

So it's quite possible second-hand C300s might be showing up for under $10,000 around the end of the year.