New Aaton Penelope 4K camera with Dalsa sensor, optical vf

[hawaj]

New Aaton Penelope 4K camera with Dalsa CCD sensor, optical vf, onboard uncompressed raw and proxy recording, mechanical shutter, displays with menus on both sides for operator and for assistent, cat on the shoulder form, 2-5 hours of battery life, 7,5 kg ...

http://cinescopophilia.com/aaton-delta-penelope-14-stop-dr-multi-slot-shutter-at-100-iso/

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http://www.aaton.com/products/film/delta/index.php
http://www.aaton.com/files/delta-p_april-2012b.pdf

[yoclay]

Now that looks like a camera! No rolling shutter artifacts. Solid.
Optical viewfinder, what a relief. Guess I am not the only one who prefers it given the choice these days.
No mention of pricing though.

[simonpwood]

Drool.

Shame about the price though....

[Kholi]

I want this camera on my shoulder like yesterday.

[nothing]

I want more details about that shutter. How does a shutter have an ISO setting?

All cameras should have female names.

[bruceallen]

Drool.

Shame about the price though....

What is the price?

This looks awesome. This has been teased in various forms for a few years... can't wait for it to actually be a rental option.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com (http://www.boacinema.com)

[vanvideo]

Expect it to be in the Arri Alexa price range. These two companies have been butting heads for decades.

[simonpwood]

What is the price?

This looks awesome. This has been teased in various forms for a few years... can't wait for it to actually be a rental option.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com (http://www.boacinema.com)

Sorry; don't know exactly. But I do know it will be about 3 times more expensive than I would have guessed, and about 6 times more expensive than I could afford.
:)

[hawaj]

Yep, I think that developing this wasn't easy and cheap task, but its really great its finally here. I'm looking for some nice flicks shot with this baby. :)

[Everts]

Id be interested if her name was Sasha but Penelope...what were they thinking !

[Doctor Wu]

Why can't other companies mimic the shoulder mount simplicity and balance of these older Aaton and Arri designs? Scarlet and FS100 are fantastic cameras but you really need to rig it out to have a balance shoulder solution with EVF right up against your eye. And they're still nowhere near as tight as the old Aaton and Arri SR form factors. Come on everybody, the blueprint was there many many years ago.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Not sure why they kept the Penelope name. We should call it Delta Penelope or just Delta to keep things clear. The original Penelope is a totally different camera than this, imo.

[PappasArts]

Expect it to be in the Arri Alexa price range. These two companies have been butting heads for decades.



Expect it to be in the Arri Alexa price range. These two companies have been butting heads for decades.

Yeah they have. It's nice to see the pantheons of film camera manufactures slowly moving into taking their place they had years go, however now with digital. They have built some of the best gear on planet and I don't doubt they won't do the same for themselves today and the future as they did decades ago.

Sad part is the sensor ( metaphorically speaking ) that was in their cameras for so many decades is not anymore more; Kodak! Kodak didn't make the switch, where I believe had they back in the 90's really applied themselves to taking their sensor division ( beyond what is was today prior to BK ) to serious competitive heights without worrying about their film division, they just might have had a Kodak sensor division and possibly camera's made in partnership with others. Who knows, they could have taken the approach to their sensor chips like Intel does, like the phrase " Intel Inside", we could have had cameras that read with a label "Kodak Inside".

However fear was their demise when you focus down to the very basics on not doing what they needed to do to survive as a company in the long run, especially going back to the 90's when the ship was turning slowly. I used to deal with Kodak from time to time in the research area, and they just had an anti electronic cinema attitude ( the buzz word before digital ) and just wouldn't except the writing's on the wall, until it was to late to catch up. I would get into debates with them, however they were just too stubborn about what was the reality of the situation.

That is a lesson all companies and individuals can take with them in life. You must be willing to be open minded to reality, and be willing to adapt to change regardless of where you stand if it means long term survival is at stake.


Pappas
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[vincent thomas]

Awesome camera... Not definively pro, expect price aroun 80k euros.

More about specs and history...
http://www.pampuri.net/2012/02/12/micro-salon-2012-aaton-penelope-delta-a-star-is-born/

[hawaj]

Kodak, the company which developed first digital camera... :smile:
Most of big companies are scary to move anywhere, they just to want stay still till is totally late. They hate it, they dont want any development or change, thay rather just only plain talk about. Therefore they like to support totalitarianism goverments around the world if they have bussines in their country. Thank god for brave ones who take the risk.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Kodak just announced it is getting out of the imaging business altogether. No joke. They are mainly going to focus on printers and such. Going after HP territory.

This is not speaking for the film emulsion side. No idea what they plan to do with that. I'm just talking about Kodak digital sensors and such. Seems that has a roadmap out of town.

[hawaj]

Kodaks digi sensor division was withdrawn from big mama and sold to Platinum Equity.

They should develop and produce cheap 35mm scanners back then, because almost everybody always wanted to shoot 35mm footage and get that 35mm look, but they didnt get it. Power of cheap and more and more powerfull home editing and projecting tools was here so only bottle neck was how to cheaply get it in the computer.
So the democratization of filming has to wait on development of cheaper bigger sensor digital cameras and all hunger was feeded with the first generations of crappy video DSLR bodies ... just by an accident and by little but important push from Red. Suprisingly for Canon its still unwanted child, what a joke... :evil:

[Steve R]

WOW.

Three questions (that don't seem to be answered in the literature):

1) Sensor size?

2) Mount?

3) Price?

[Yak]

Does anyone know were at NAB one can see this Camera?

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

WOW.

Three questions (that don't seem to be answered in the literature):

1) Sensor size?

2) Mount?

3) Price?

1) S35mm
2) PL
3) I don't think it's been said yet

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

51994

Pure sexy.

[Emanuel]

Id be interested if her name was Sasha but Penelope...what were they thinking !
Not sure why they kept the Penelope name. We should call it Delta Penelope or just Delta to keep things clear. The original Penelope is a totally different camera than this, imo.Amusing people in a funny forum :-)

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Amusing people in a funny forum :-)

Do you not agree?

So far people are defaulting to calling it Penelope, for short... when there already is a Penelope camera... a completely different camera. Should have just gone with something completely new, imo. Not because it's not a good name, just to be clear. Don't want to rent a Penelope expecting RAW s35mm sensor camera and getting a 3-perf film camera, and maybe a digital magazine. :P

[Barry_Green]

Want.

[Dan Pears]

That is a mighty nice camera...

[Matthew Bennett]

Dream camera!!

[Jay Birch]

I love this description "‘cat on the shoulder’ profile"... Makes me laugh every time I see it in their literature. They have better behaved cats than mine.

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[vanvideo]

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[kurth]

....this camera will cost 100k , give or take a k

[David G. Smith]

Very nice.

What is the deal with that "Multi-slot" shutter? Are they not posting specs on shutter angle or shutter speed?

[davidwinters]

Very nice.

What is the deal with that "Multi-slot" shutter? Are they not posting specs on shutter angle or shutter speed?

This is how ISO100 is achieved from a 800 sensor?

[combatentropy]

Best guess: a shutter with a neutral-density filter.

[Esmaile]

sould be good idea

[djkarn105]

Kodak just announced it is getting out of the imaging business altogether. No joke. They are mainly going to focus on printers and such. Going after HP territory.

This is not speaking for the film emulsion side. No idea what they plan to do with that. I'm just talking about Kodak digital sensors and such. Seems that has a roadmap out of town.

OT for this post but a good read http://www.economist.com/node/21542796

[Barry_Green]

http://www.aaton.com/products/film/delta/index.php

[bill totolo]

Dalsa sensor as in the Dalsa Origin?

[Barry_Green]

Dalsa sensor as in the Dalsa Origin?
Same company, but no idea if it is the same sensor. Dalsa is a huge chipmaker.

[Grug]

I want to see some samples from Penelope yesterday.

[Mitch Gross]

The Dalsa Origin was years ago. This chip is many evolutions past that. For one thing, it's about the same size but is now something like 7K.

[Erik Olson]

I guess Adobe might just have to start supporting CinemaDNG... :beer: Did someone say 14 stop CCD?

[Tzedekh]

Uncompressed CinemaDNG at 4K, let alone 7K, will be incredibly burdensome datawise. It's probably time for the CinemaDNG Group to standardize on lossy higher compression ratios.

[Razz16mm]

Uncompressed CinemaDNG at 4K, let alone 7K, will be incredibly burdensome datawise. It's probably time for the CinemaDNG Group to standardize on lossy higher compression ratios.

The DNG standard does support 2.5:1 mathematically lossless Huffner compression. Still a lot of data to wrangle.

[agcohn]

The Dalsa Origin was years ago. This chip is many evolutions past that. For one thing, it's about the same size but is now something like 7K.
It would have to be a different chip. I worked on a shoot that used the Dalsa Origin years ago, and the cameras had to have incredibly large and noisy fans in order to keep from overheating. Even then, they needed something like 2 back-up cameras on-set, because they would still overheat.

I don't think Aaton would produce a camera that could overheat, and according to the specs, the Penelope 4K is supposed to be silent.

[Orlando McNulty]

Has anyone seen or heard anything about the potential frame rates the camera will support?
And, has there been an official date of release?

[Mitch Gross]

I believe they are hoping for IBC, but they will sell no wine before its time.

[Matthew Bennett]

I believe they are hoping for IBC, but they will sell no wine before its time.

I wonder how long they're planning on decanting... :)

[Lee Saxon]

Looking at Phase One backs makes me very skeptical about Dalsa's ability to deliver with regards to dynamic range or thermal performance.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

Yeah, are they being uber careful or they dealing with some serious issues that they have yet to resolve? That's the ?.

[Mitch Gross]

Anyone familiar with Aaton knows that a slow but steady pace to a revolutionary design is their norm.

[Grug]

Fair enough, but we first saw penelope back at NAB in 2008 I think (back when it was going to be film/digital swappable) - I wanna see samples already!

[The Sarlacc]

Anyone familiar with Aaton knows that a slow but steady pace to a revolutionary design is their norm.

HA! good one...

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