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Jason Ramsey
04-14-2012, 09:49 AM
DVXFest – War FEST – Official Rules

Make a movie about conflict that is 6 minutes (or less) and does not exceed a hard R rating (if you are unsure, ask first). Please note: by conflict we mean WAR, not a fight. A 6 minute fight between two people, or a one-time spat, will probably not cut it. Conflict. War. Please see the next post for additional info (coming) and examples of acceptable use of the "war" theme. It should be pretty clear what we mean though (I hope).
6 minutes and 1 second is a disqualification

You must use a DVXuser sanctioned leader as the first moving images in your film.
Leaders available at: www.dvxfest.com/leaders (http://www.dvxfest.com/leaders)
You only have to use the visuals (any included audio is not required)
The use of the leader does NOT count as part of your 6 minutes. Everything else will.

You must use the following 3 letters in your film: "DVX". This may be represented visually, or as dialog. Feel free to be creative with this required element. But, please make it clear (to those of us looking for it). You will be required to provide a still frame and/or time stamp when you upload your film.
You must use original or licensed material in your film. Failure to do so will result in disqualification. DVXuser (or its partners) assumes no liability for copyright violations. We will make a good faith effort to identify any and all copyright violations in submitted entries.

War Fest Run Dates
Shooting dates start now. The dates to make your film are from April 15th, 2012 to August 16th, 2012. The deadline for uploads will be August 16th, 2012, at 4pm Pacific Daylight(?) Time.

War Fest Promotion

No more than 15 seconds of footage from your film is to be publicly displayed prior to the conclusion of the festival. (DVXuser may grant a waiver for live film festivals that premiere prior to the conclusion of DVXFest. You must make this request in writing prior to any public viewing.)
You may promote your film (and dvxfest in general) on, or outside of, DVXuser.com. Please do not register to websites simply to spam links to your fest entry. Utilize channels and communities you are already involved in. “Spammy” behavior will be grounds for disqualification.
*DVXuser reserves the right to alter or edit these rules until May 1st, 2012.
**While it is our goal to publicly screen all entries that meet the above qualifications, DVXuser reserves the right to refuse entry for any reason.


www.dvxuser.com (http://www.dvxuser.com/) / www.dvxfest.com (http://www.dvxfest.com/)

Jason Ramsey
04-14-2012, 10:06 AM
ADDITIONAL INFO:

Q. Can I make my own custom DVXFest leader for use in my film?
A. Yes. you may. But, only with prior written approval by me first. Send me a copy to see, and if it is ok, I will approve it. One caveat though. If you make a leader for dvxfest, you agree to make it freely available to future dvxfest participants. You can have a unique leader for the fest you create it for. After that time, the leader falls into the "dvxfest public domain" if you will. It will go with the rest of our leaders, so that others can make use of it in the future if they choose. Make sense?

This post will be updated as questions arise within this thread for easy access later. stay tuned.

Noel Evans
04-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Its time..... time to go to war!

Matt Harris
04-14-2012, 01:25 PM
Welcome back gentlemen, this is a great theme.

J.R. Hudson
04-14-2012, 01:41 PM
Sweet

Fohdeesha
04-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Yes!

Ryan Patrick O'Hara
04-14-2012, 01:53 PM
It's on.

Now, where's Doc?!

Matt Harris
04-14-2012, 01:55 PM
Ryan, you gonna direct something for this?

David G. Smith
04-14-2012, 01:59 PM
It's on.

Now, where's Doc?!

Now THAT ought to cheer him up!!

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?279383-Anyone-want-to-cheer-me-up

Ryan Patrick O'Hara
04-14-2012, 02:00 PM
Ryan, you gonna direct something for this?

I'm thinking so. I'll likely have a collaborator to co-direct, because you better believe I'll be DPing. Either way, I'm spearheading a project. How the crew shakes out has not even been thought about yet.

CallaghanFilms
04-14-2012, 02:05 PM
Of course you realize, this means warfest!

http://cdn3.hark.com/images/000/004/216/4216/original.jpg

Matt Harris
04-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Callaghan, same cigar, new avatar. Looks like this got everyone's attention. Cue Movie Master in 3... 2... 1...

Chris Messineo
04-14-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm in!

I'm really psyched about the theme - great choice.

I hope the requirements are open - let's all just focus on making the best shorts possible.

Jason Sanders
04-14-2012, 07:29 PM
I'm in, it's been awhile.

Doc Bernard
04-14-2012, 09:28 PM
It's on.

Now, where's Doc?!


Honored to even be mentioned in association with a fest. I will help out however I can. You all know how much I love the DVXUser community.

Doc Bernard
04-14-2012, 10:29 PM
Of course you realize, this means warfest!

http://cdn3.hark.com/images/000/004/216/4216/original.jpg

LOL, I just had to answer this image!

51959 Yep, had breakfast with him one morning. And just had to get an autograph, and when he found out I was known as "Doc" he couldn't resist! Looking to get a BB animation cell, so I can frame it with the cell. A high point in my career.

Oops, derail...........back to your regularly scheduled thread..........

JaceBrownlow
04-14-2012, 11:18 PM
I already had a short I am in pre production in, that fits this theme. so I am in!

JoeButch
04-15-2012, 08:24 AM
I'm in.

Jason Ramsey
04-15-2012, 11:07 AM
The rules will be pretty straightforward. You can look at last fest rules for a general idea. There will be a required element of some sort. I will try to not make it to crazy or anything. Just for verification purposes...

I'll go ahead and ask, would you guys prefer a prop, a line of dialog, a character name?

Chris Messineo
04-15-2012, 01:49 PM
I'll go ahead and ask, would you guys prefer a prop, a line of dialog, a character name?

First choice - Character name (unisex).

Second choice - Props.

Please not a line of dialogue.

dre83
04-15-2012, 04:34 PM
I'm curious to see if there's anyone not doing the "I shoot, I shoot back" way of "war" but in another perspective.. Like some did in previous fest.

Noel Evans
04-15-2012, 05:37 PM
Well let's have a look at the possibilities - the most obvious is something like "War of the Roses" - comedy about a divorcing couple at war (cleverly named after an actual English civil war).

What else...

WAR - two opposing sides in battle.

Lynchenstein
04-16-2012, 12:43 PM
1st choice: Character name
2nd choice: Prop
3rd choice: dialogue

But give us the choice please!

CallaghanFilms
04-16-2012, 01:14 PM
I would suggest an "easter egg". A word displayed (hell, "DVXuser" even) that wouldn't be seen/noticed outside of a possibly enhanced screen grab...




Edit:

If not a word, then a certain image/icon/design.

Either way, "giving a choice" is for the birds.

Creativity, baby. Use it.

Jason Ramsey
04-16-2012, 01:35 PM
I would suggest an "easter egg". A word displayed (hell, "DVXuser" even) that wouldn't be seen/noticed outside of a possibly enhanced screen grab...




Edit:

If not a word, then a certain image/icon/design.

Either way, "giving a choice" is for the birds.

Creativity, baby. Use it.

good suggestion.

Chris Messineo
04-16-2012, 01:58 PM
A hidden image or word (only seen in a screen grab) might be fun - as long as it doesn't have to be so prominent that it distracts from the story.

Edgen
04-16-2012, 01:59 PM
sweeet! Glad it's back on!

CallaghanFilms
04-16-2012, 02:04 PM
By definition,
A hidden image or word (only seen in a screen grab) ≠
so prominent that it distracts from the story
:beer:



AKA: I agree.

saytenpro
04-16-2012, 02:17 PM
stoked!

Craighoit
04-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Make war, not love.

Oh crap, did I get that wrong? I suspect if I do this, it will be one rather than the other....

pauly_the_hitman
04-16-2012, 09:02 PM
There is a strong possibility I might be in on this one. That's all I am gonna say for now. =)

Arthur Love
04-16-2012, 10:28 PM
Got a fridge full of 5219 and 5213 ends... gonna try to pull something together. Only got a IIC though so no sync dialogue here!

Shawn Philip Nelson
04-17-2012, 01:00 AM
rules?

Postmaster
04-17-2012, 01:55 AM
War Fest huh?

I skipped most of the fests (I think my last entry was, 3 years ago), but damed, this is too tempting.

WWII all the way - jeeez I wish Doc would live in my neighborhood now.

Frank

zaronz
04-17-2012, 04:09 AM
War Fest huh?

I skipped most of the fests (I think my last entry was, 3 years ago), but damed, this is too tempting.

WWII all the way - jeeez I wish Doc would live in my neighborhood now.

Frank

Yeah, having a lot of WWII-era buildings and equipment available(I live in Norway) I feel it would be interesting to make a movie that takes place in the WWII. The only thing I don't really know is if people still are interested in that war, as it has been pretty overused in the recent years. What are your views on that?

ChrisHurn
04-17-2012, 05:28 AM
Cool, can't wait for this one!

Marlon Ladd
04-17-2012, 09:29 AM
Man, great idea! This fest can go in so many different ways. It's definitely got my interest.

j1clark@ucsd.edu
04-17-2012, 10:08 AM
Yeah, having a lot of WWII-era buildings and equipment available(I live in Norway) I feel it would be interesting to make a movie that takes place in the WWII. The only thing I don't really know is if people still are interested in that war, as it has been pretty overused in the recent years. What are your views on that?


No need to dredge up ancient battles...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/25/berlin-bohemian-artists-kunsthaus

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WSYTyerDzzM/TGjY1exYl9I/AAAAAAAABb4/duFM8zwWNQQ/s1600/IsupportTacheles.jpg

http://blog.megaspree.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tacheles.jpg

Die Fahne hoch... alles wird zerschlagen...

Chris_Keaton
04-17-2012, 10:32 AM
Yeah, having a lot of WWII-era buildings and equipment available(I live in Norway) I feel it would be interesting to make a movie that takes place in the WWII. The only thing I don't really know is if people still are interested in that war, as it has been pretty overused in the recent years. What are your views on that?

Are you kidding me? :)

Gary Huff
04-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Already done.

What'd I win? :D


http://vimeo.com/33728837

Chris Messineo
04-17-2012, 11:43 AM
Bring on the official rules - I want to start writing my script!

Jason Ramsey
04-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Will try to get them out to you by tonight...

Noel Evans
04-17-2012, 12:31 PM
I think you guys will all be safe getting started on scripts and keeping within the last fests set of rules until Jason gets these up. Start bashing out them words!

Chris Messineo
04-17-2012, 01:16 PM
I think you guys will all be safe getting started on scripts and keeping within the last fests set of rules until Jason gets these up. Start bashing out them words!

If there is a required prop or something like that, I just want to make sure I include it organically - I don't want to just stuff it in after.

But if Jason can get the details out tonight, that will be awesome!

ZazaCast
04-17-2012, 02:18 PM
But if Jason can get the details out tonight, that will be awesome!
First rule of FestClub....never use the word awesome. :evil:

Fohdeesha
04-17-2012, 04:47 PM
Can't wait! Will be my first dvxfest, in the 4 years I've been posting! no more excuses!

kurtmo
04-18-2012, 09:25 AM
Can't pass this one up! In all the way!

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 09:30 AM
How does "DVX" appearing in yoru film somewhere suit you all?

Postmaster
04-18-2012, 10:16 AM
Gonna be fun to to find a good place for "DVX" in some WWII drama,.
But yeah, why not?

Chris_Keaton
04-18-2012, 10:59 AM
How does "DVX" appearing in yoru film somewhere suit you all?

That is a brilliant idea.

Shawn Philip Nelson
04-18-2012, 11:09 AM
Can it have punctuation or such? like D-V-X or D | V | X or whatnot?

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 11:16 AM
yeah... for sure. could be a logo, a badge, a brand, a patch on a uniform, etc, etc, etc...

just needs to be clearly visible in a frame grab.

Lynchenstein
04-18-2012, 01:18 PM
I like it. Let's roll with it!

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 03:09 PM
ok. let's roll with that then. should be plenty of ways for folks to come up with to creatively incorporate that as a required element to help verify shooting dates.

I failed you last night. But, I will try my best to get actual "Official Rules' into this official rules thread tonight for you guys :)

CallaghanFilms
04-18-2012, 03:21 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KwaGXL8nSjw/TVLOIKoYhtI/AAAAAAAAAM0/HOBeEgTCauw/s1600/a113pixar.jpg

CallaghanFilms
04-18-2012, 03:29 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/3793350097_586c574e42.jpg

Doc Bernard
04-18-2012, 05:04 PM
Like using DVX as a weapon name or type of explosive/chemical/biological weapon.

"Sir, the weapon is loaded, as ordered"
"Good. That DVX is some dangerous stuff. Highly addictive, and once someone is exposed.......they turn into rabid zombies."
Cut to close up of tank with DVX-100 as it's contents and many warning labels/stencils on it.

taylormade
04-18-2012, 05:10 PM
When does this fest end? I'd like to be able to set a schedule as soon as possible.

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 05:20 PM
you will have about 3 months. i will finalize the dates later tonight when i get to the rules and look at a calendar.

Shawn Philip Nelson
04-18-2012, 06:34 PM
one of these days there should be a 'get it finished fest', wherein you enter a short you shot some time ago but never managed to finish :-D

Chris Messineo
04-18-2012, 08:02 PM
How does "DVX" appearing in yoru film somewhere suit you all?

I like that a lot!

Perhaps for flexibility sake you might want to give people a choice, DVX can either appear as a visual or as dialogue.

ReelFilmGeek
04-18-2012, 08:07 PM
Totally digging the DVX idea, going to fit in just fine with my film. Going to be my first DVXFest since joining the site and with 3 months till deadline I feel like I could put something nice together.

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 08:54 PM
Just updated the front post with the Official Rules for WarFEST. Will be updating the 2nd post soon with additional info.

Hawk Teflon
04-18-2012, 09:04 PM
Would a short about a religious or political war be allowed?

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 09:21 PM
It could be... best to run the specific idea by one of us privately first though, less you wanna roll the dice on the big ole * at the bottom of the rules :)

If you are asking specifically about the no politics, no religion, no pornography rules on dvxuser. For the boards and general discussion those rules apply. For the fests (specifically film entries), we like to allow for creative freedom, as long as we deem the entry is in good faith, we don't really have a desire to censor film entries based on content. Except, of course, for the no pornography one. Hard R (no pun) still applies.

We want to be able to show the work of anyone who takes the time to (in good faith) create an entry for the fest. That is our goal. But, we reserve the right if we feel someone is not acting in the spirit of the fest, or they cannot be reached for clarification upon request. That said, probably 99.9% of submitted films have been publicly viewed in the 7 or so year history of dvxfest. Including non-compete entries that were not eligible for competition, but were still good faith efforts in our view, and were accepted for exhibition only viewing in the fest.

Jason Ramsey
04-18-2012, 09:33 PM
On my comment about it being an "ongoing conflict"...

couldn't quite articulate what I meant... I hope it's pretty clear the idea behind the fest theme here. That doesn't mean the theme excludes other approaches (i.e. comedy, etc).

I just don't want to see a 6 minute argument between two people. I want to see a war, not a fight.

War not Fight. make sense?

Shawn Philip Nelson
04-18-2012, 09:36 PM
I just don't want to see a 6 minute argument between two people. I want to see a war, not a fight.

War not Fight. make sense?

that makes a ton of sense, you should put that verbage in the rules

Gord.T
04-18-2012, 10:39 PM
Okay, Callaghan, I got 6 out of 6. You been slacking off lately?

And yeah. WarFest. Jump start those tanks. This'll be a good one.

QUOTE=CallaghanFilms;1986128669]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KwaGXL8nSjw/TVLOIKoYhtI/AAAAAAAAAM0/HOBeEgTCauw/s1600/a113pixar.jpg[/QUOTE]

Gord.T
04-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Actually....L-R
Toy Story (2, I think)
Finding Nemo
Wall-E

Ant-Bully or Ants? I do forget.
Ratatouille
Cars (3?)

Suddenly I don't feel so smart. lol. Darn you Callaghan.

JaceBrownlow
04-18-2012, 11:09 PM
Actually....L-R
Toy Story (2, I think)
Finding Nemo
Wall-E

Ant-Bully or Ants? I do forget.
Ratatouille
Cars (3?)

Suddenly I don't feel so smart. lol. Darn you Callaghan.


neither ants or ant bully, A Bugs Life, and there hasnt been a Cars 3 yet :-p

JaceBrownlow
04-18-2012, 11:09 PM
is there a limit to how many entries we are aloud to enter?

Gord.T
04-18-2012, 11:10 PM
neither ants or ant bully, a bugs life, and there hasnt been a cars 3 yet :-p

damn! (too many bug movies).

So what's 6 then?

Zach Olson
04-18-2012, 11:21 PM
I am looking forward to this. I have been wanting to do a battle but I guess I will now shoot for a War!

Gord.T
04-18-2012, 11:34 PM
Getting back to warfest, there was a great short film by Brad Pitt years ago called Contact, 1992 Imdb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000093/)
It is near impossible to find but if you get a chance to see it, it's good.

Good luck warriors.

JaceBrownlow
04-18-2012, 11:39 PM
damn! (too many bug movies).

So what's 6 then?

6 is probably the first cars. I dont remember a train in the second one

Gord.T
04-18-2012, 11:55 PM
I don't remember a train in the 1st or second either but could be. Not a big deal. It looks like a Cars character anyways so I'll wait to hear from Call.

Cheers man and good luck in the fest.

Jason Ramsey
04-19-2012, 12:05 AM
is there a limit to how many entries we are aloud to enter?

You may enter one film to be eligible for competition. You can enter more, but the rest would be exhibition only.

You may help on however many films you want.

CallaghanFilms
04-19-2012, 02:55 AM
Actually....L-R
Toy Story (2, I think)
Finding Nemo
Wall-E

Ant-Bully or Ants? I do forget.
Ratatouille
Cars (3?)

Suddenly I don't feel so smart. lol. Darn you Callaghan.It's Toy Story...Finding Nemo...WALL-E...A Bugs Life... Ratatouille...Cars

I was just illustrating examples of my easter egg suggestion. For anyone who doesn't know; "A113" was the graphics design classroom number at CalArts where many of the Pixar principals studied (as did Tim Burton, etc.) It is tradition to use it in every Pixar film...but it has also appeared in many non-Disney cartoons.

Lucas did the same thing with "THX-1138".

:beer:

Searcher
04-19-2012, 03:20 AM
On my comment about it being an "ongoing conflict"...

couldn't quite articulate what I meant... I hope it's pretty clear the idea behind the fest theme here. That doesn't mean the theme excludes other approaches (i.e. comedy, etc).

I just don't want to see a 6 minute argument between two people. I want to see a war, not a fight.

War not Fight. make sense?

In a way it feels like you want to see a style of film: a war/conflict in progress? That's different to a film whose theme is war.

For example I couldn't make a film about a war veteran with one leg who decides to overcome depression through learning breakdancing? (in this case the theme is war but it's not a "war movie")

Also can my short be a fragment of a greater war/conflict, such as a human and a zombie who get stuck on a house boat together and fight to the death?

I've only entered one competition before and the theme was simply "suspense/thriller" which was easier for me to get my head around.

edit: just realised that the zombie is already dead so "fight to the death" only applies to the human...

Egg Born Son
04-19-2012, 04:47 AM
Just trying to nail down some paramaters after letting my imagination run wild for the last couple of days. I am more than happy to do soldiers fighting each other but have been exploring some more creative interpretations of the idea of war.


Would an acceptable definition for war be:

"Coordinatinated group action(s) with an end objective that involves capture of resources/territory, subjugation or destruction of a second group."

...or is combat a pre-requisite? Would a love story set agains the backdrop of a war qualify and if so would it have to be set amongst the bullets? Could it be about a family dealing with the absence of a deployed father?


I had been thinking of writing about a corporate war in a near-future cyberpunk or corporate-dystopia setting but I'm not sure if that will qualify. Governments have no power over corporations and the story will follow the course of an "any means necessary" hostile takeover. Pressure will be applied simultaneously in several arenas in a form of a limited engagement total war (mindset of using all available avenues to defeat the enemy). It will feature at least one mercenary unit with a special forces/terror cell flavour so it won't be a boardroom drama.

Egg Born Son
04-19-2012, 04:48 AM
I've been collecting a number of definitions/types of war over the last few days waiting for the rules. Given no-one will make the same film even given the same brief I figured I'd share and put the ideas up for debate.

Class war - probably doesn't make the cut now the rules are up
Gender war - ditto
World war - this one's obvious, I, II or III
Nationalistic War - expect there'll be at least one of these
Cold war - a war of arms build-up, posturing and standoff - possibly an espionage war
Espionage War - a war over information, cloak and dagger
Insurgency - rebellion against an authority or institution whose legitimacy is in question
Proxy War - war fought through third-parties in lieu of open warfare between belligerents (spanish civil war, vietnam, bay of pigs)
Corporate War - application of a warfare mindset to the business arena (show me the ceo who hasn't read sun tzu)
Religious War - ideological war instigated or co-opted by religious interest at an organised or grassroots level
Tribal War - territorial war between opposing tribes due to pressures of population, resources or ideologies
Gang War - territorial war between opposing criminal fraternities
Concept War - a war on a concept - war on cancer, war on drugs, war on terror etc
Apostrophe War - its' serious stu'ff!


Some types of War:

Hegemonic War - objective of attaining control of the entire world order - Nazis, Illuminati, religious fundamentalists
Total War - mobilisation of entire society against a second entire society with intent to subjugate and occupy by any means
Limited War - waged in order to gain a specific objective without escalating to total war, or may be ongoing sporadic conflict
Civil War - an internal conflict between factions within a society for control of that society or some territory within it
Guerilla War - carried out by irregular forces (often deep within enemy territory) without front lines

Jason Ramsey
04-19-2012, 10:11 AM
Now, that I will have some time to think about it, I will try to clarify the whole "war" theme better this weekend. Not trying to limit you guys too much. Just want to see you embrace the theme fully in your own way, not try to skirt it, or half-ass the theme is all :)

JaceBrownlow
04-19-2012, 01:29 PM
july 14th!? man, i almost have time for a second project all together! probably wont direct it, but i'll write/produce/dp for sure!

Jason Ramsey
04-19-2012, 01:43 PM
July 16th

JaceBrownlow
04-19-2012, 02:32 PM
July 16th
awesome! I got plenty of time!

Fohdeesha
04-19-2012, 05:01 PM
I was also interpreting the "war/conflict" scenario pretty creatively before the full rules were posted. I'd like to avoid doing a full out classic "war battle" if that can be avoided, but I'll work within whatever rules are set!

Jason Ramsey
04-19-2012, 05:04 PM
fohdeesha... can you pm (or post here) what you were thinking of?

I want to articulate the rules better, but admittedly, I did not spend much time on them with all the nab stuff going on this week.

ReelFilmGeek
04-19-2012, 05:59 PM
Well I have my idea, now its just a matter of getting a good balance of creativity, action, and story in to the script.

Fohdeesha
04-19-2012, 06:15 PM
fohdeesha... can you pm (or post here) what you were thinking of?

I want to articulate the rules better, but admittedly, I did not spend much time on them with all the nab stuff going on this week.

Well, when you originally said war/conflict, I was thinking of any kind of major conflict or competition between two parties. Perhaps between two corporations, stealing technology from one or the other, or something not quite as cheesy, but you get the idea. I guess I was just thinking of any sort of major conflict or battle between two parties, whether the battle is mental or physical. This is my first dvxfest though so I'm happy working with whatever rules you lay down!

Jason Ramsey
04-19-2012, 06:23 PM
yes. that sounds like it could be fine. it doesn't have to be a war for blood, or a fight to the death. corporate war could be a possibility for sure.

Jason Ramsey
04-20-2012, 10:43 AM
I do agree that the current wording of the theme definition may come across as a bit restrictive. one good example (that I could find an acceptable use of theme) is war as a backdrop... as long as it's not a passive one. But, I can see how the current definition wouldn't seem to include that as a possibility.

I just wanted to let you all know that I am working on getting a more clear definition of the theme up.

In the meantime, get your creative juices flowing, and if you have an idea that you are not sure fits the fest, please feel free to pm me.

JaceBrownlow
04-20-2012, 01:18 PM
so I have three films I want to work on in this fest, however I want all of them to be votable.
One I am directing for sure, the other Bill Christensen is… but the third film I still want people to be able to vote on it, but we are both directing it. Is it possible if we have three directing credits, it can be considered it's own entry instead of exhibition only?

CallaghanFilms
04-20-2012, 01:22 PM
Hello, Mister Alias.

JaceBrownlow
04-20-2012, 01:26 PM
Hello, Mister Alias.

Hah, that feels sneaky though :-p

CallaghanFilms
04-20-2012, 01:28 PM
Good enough for the Coens...

Gord.T
04-20-2012, 08:18 PM
^ I'll give you 20 bucks if you do one. I figure that's worth a ticket.

Jordan_S
04-21-2012, 10:25 AM
^ I'll give you 20 bucks if you do one. I figure that's worth a ticket.

While you've got your wallet out...

Cory Braun
04-21-2012, 06:44 PM
Damn, would love to do this, but it's overlapping with another short that I'm already in preproduction for. Looking forward to seeing all the entries. Hopefully I'll be able to do the next one.

Justin Demeere
04-23-2012, 09:41 AM
War. It's whats for breakfast. I think I'll have to join in the battle this time around.

namelok
04-24-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm in! Not gonna miss this one, no way!

Gord.T
04-24-2012, 06:08 PM
It's Toy Story...Finding Nemo...WALL-E...A Bugs Life... Ratatouille...Cars

I was just illustrating examples of my easter egg suggestion. For anyone who doesn't know; "A113" was the graphics design classroom number at CalArts where many of the Pixar principals studied (as did Tim Burton, etc.) It is tradition to use it in every Pixar film...but it has also appeared in many non-Disney cartoons.

Lucas did the same thing with "THX-1138".

:beer:

Thanks man.

I wish you guys would stop being so clever sometimes. :beer:

John LaBonney
05-07-2012, 05:12 PM
WarFest...should I?

Matt Harris
05-07-2012, 05:22 PM
what's the last fest you entered john?

John LaBonney
05-07-2012, 05:24 PM
I think it was LossFest.

Matt Harris
05-07-2012, 05:47 PM
Then you must enter.

John LaBonney
05-07-2012, 07:04 PM
Then you must enter.

Talked me into it.

Jason Sanders
05-07-2012, 09:02 PM
Come on John, you got to do this one. :)

Noel Evans
05-10-2012, 07:17 PM
So how's everyone progressing thus far? Got your scripts started / completed?

Shawn Philip Nelson
05-11-2012, 12:49 AM
I PM'd Jason early today asking if my concept is a go, waiting to hear back.

John LaBonney
05-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Come on John, you got to do this one. :)

Surprisingly enough I'm having some difficulty coming up with a good story idea. Paul and Jeremiah are ready to rock if I can get it together. We've got the whole Nevada desert as a backdrop which would do well for any desert warfare story, but the heat in June out here is just misery.

Ryan Patrick O'Hara
05-11-2012, 09:31 PM
I'm on my plan B. If it doesn't work out, I'm not going to just slap something together. I hope I will have something to show for WarFest. We'll see. :)

Fohdeesha
05-12-2012, 09:49 PM
You can do it Ryan!

Also having issues myself, with the writing phase...really hoping I can get them ironed out. I'm at the point where I'm shooting something no matter what, i just hope it's something I like!

Jason Ramsey
05-14-2012, 09:13 AM
Hey, guys. I've been away from fest world for a bit.

Just wanted to drop in and say that I am thinking of pushing the fest deadline for warFEST to something more like middle of august. Thinking of moving to a two fest/year format for a while... more production time, better prizes, little less breakneck pace on our end, etc.

Speaking of prizes, I've got some booked already from barbizon, cpm, and I think one other. Will start a prizes thread later today, and will start populating it as we move through the production period whenever to fest donors commit any prizes.

anyone going to flip their shit over any of the above, or is everyone cool with a little extra time?

Shawn Philip Nelson
05-14-2012, 09:43 AM
Hey, guys. I've been away from fest world for a bit.

Just wanted to drop in and say that I am thinking of pushing the fest deadline for warFEST to something more like middle of august. Thinking of moving to a two fest/year format for a while... more production time, better prizes, little less breakneck pace on our end, etc.

Speaking of prizes, I've got some booked already from barbizon, cpm, and I think one other. Will start a prizes thread later today, and will start populating it as we move through the production period whenever to fest donors commit any prizes.

anyone going to flip their s*%t over any of the above, or is everyone cool with a little extra time?

+1 to all of the above, I think it's a good idea

taylormade
05-14-2012, 10:55 AM
Great idea. I think you'll get more entries and better quality films.

Ryan Patrick O'Hara
05-14-2012, 11:13 AM
Please do! :)

Fohdeesha
05-14-2012, 12:39 PM
If you extended the deadline I....I'd fall in loveee

Ryan P. Kelly
05-14-2012, 01:29 PM
+1 Jason... An extra month would rock... We are in pre pro right now and I can not wait to start shooting..Hopefully have a title soon and put up my post

Ladyhazle
05-14-2012, 02:16 PM
I've got my script in a first draft and the extra time might actually allow me to get a film in the fest again! It's been too long. +1 for me too please.

Egg Born Son
05-14-2012, 04:50 PM
Crisis over! I was on schedule to deliver (sort of) but now I can afford for things to go wrong.

Jason Ramsey
05-14-2012, 05:52 PM
ok. new deadline is August 16th, 2012. pass it on...

Xrayspecs
05-15-2012, 10:46 AM
Is that prizes thread going up today?

Jason Ramsey
05-15-2012, 11:28 AM
Yes. just need to get together what I have so far, and I will post something up later today... It will NOT be anything near a complete list though. Just what we have so far.

Shawn Philip Nelson
05-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Jason, would love a reply to my PM when you get around to it. No rush, just dont forget me :-)

LbSand
05-15-2012, 09:16 PM
New to the DVXFests... are animated films acceptable?

Jason Ramsey
05-16-2012, 11:07 AM
yup.

Egg Born Son
05-16-2012, 01:27 PM
Cool, I'd love to see an animation. 6 mins @24fps = 8640 frames / 91 days = ~94 frames a day...better get cracking!

Shawn Philip Nelson
05-16-2012, 02:37 PM
You should bring back the BTS requirement, those were fun to watch

Noel Evans
05-16-2012, 10:34 PM
You should bring back the BTS requirement, those were fun to watch

I agree they were good. The issue being some didnt find time to get them up - but all of us can go ahead and do them if we want and encourage others to do so. Ill make sure I do one, just to be the first to put their hand up and say Im doing one - everyone else join in!

LbSand
05-17-2012, 10:51 AM
Cool, I'd love to see an animation. 6 mins @24fps = 8640 frames / 91 days = ~94 frames a day...better get cracking!

Yeah, that's the rub. I had something I was playing around with and this gave me the kick in the rear to finish it, whether it is done by the deadline is something else.

It does have me wondering how well I could tell a story in 27 seconds. That seems much more manageable than a 6 minute movie.

Chris Messineo
05-17-2012, 02:16 PM
You should bring back the BTS requirement, those were fun to watch

Our team will definitely be doing a BTS or two.

Egg Born Son
05-17-2012, 05:28 PM
It does have me wondering how well I could tell a story in 27 seconds. That seems much more manageable than a 6 minute movie.

Or do 6 minutes of pensive looks!

Gord.T
05-17-2012, 06:50 PM
New to the DVXFests... are animated films acceptable?


Cool, I'd love to see an animation. 6 mins @24fps = 8640 frames / 91 days = ~94 frames a day...better get cracking!

I'd love that too. But who said it had to be 6 minutes? UP TO 6. So it can be 10 seconds if they want.

Also who said it had to be 24 fps? You can run stop motion at 12 fps.

I'd love to see 10 seconds of 12fps animation for a dvxfest.

If I could do it I would.

:beer:

taylormade
05-17-2012, 07:12 PM
Not to sound too full of myself, but I did six minutes of 24fps animation for the last (Christmas Fest) Fest in December. Why do I get the feeling no one here watched any of those films? "Killer Klaus" was 100 percent animation.

Egg Born Son
05-17-2012, 07:40 PM
I saw it. Once you've got your models done 6 min definitely doable in CGI. Are you going to do one for WarFest? Since your christmas one was a kind of war, maybe you should flip it on its head and have soldiers delivering presents! I did 15 seconds of cel-shaded animation back in '95 on a VHS camcorder that could only do 2fps interval recording at best. 30 frames edited in camera and still took me two weeks. That crappy camera made me give up on filmmaking for over 10 years. I can't believe how flexible my HVX is by comparison and that's a camera that's more than nudging obselete. If my current WarFest effort fails maybe I'll whip up a quick playdough animation instead.

JaceBrownlow
05-19-2012, 07:14 PM
pushed back even later? Hope that doesnt conflict with a halloween fest for fall festival. I already have my idea ready for Halloween :p

Jason Ramsey
05-20-2012, 03:42 PM
pushed back even later? Hope that doesnt conflict with a halloween fest for fall festival. I already have my idea ready for Halloween :p

thinking about a 48-hour halloween fest for october... maybe...

JaceBrownlow
05-20-2012, 09:16 PM
Gah! Please no :p not with the idea I was going to film


thinking about a 48-hour halloween fest for october... maybe...

Xrayspecs
05-24-2012, 12:27 PM
Any word on prizes?

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-25-2012, 10:07 AM
Any word on prizes?
Gingers are not eligible. Sorry. New Policy.

ReelFilmGeek
05-25-2012, 12:26 PM
Gingers are not eligible. Sorry. New Policy.
Unfair! Well off to the store to buy hair dye.

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Don't worry you fall under a special exemption. In fact the number of individuals actually excluded from winning prizes by the no ginger rule is incredibly small.

Xrayspecs
05-25-2012, 01:25 PM
Gingers are not eligible. Sorry. New Policy.

54041

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-25-2012, 01:29 PM
_ :cool: :thumbup:

Shawn Philip Nelson
05-25-2012, 10:41 PM
So will the 'DVXfest O.G.' be making a re-appearance? :-)

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-26-2012, 11:49 PM
54068
outlook not so good

:)

Egg Born Son
05-27-2012, 02:16 AM
Glad about the extension, pre-production has been delayed 2 weeks because I've been sick. Hope we have a late winter this year - putting shooting back a week puts me in the danger zone for winter's opening salvo...

Jason Ramsey
05-30-2012, 08:14 AM
ok. prizes I have so far will be posted tonight with more to come. I will get it done. Probably have a few k worth so far.

Fohdeesha
05-30-2012, 10:12 PM
ok. prizes I have so far will be posted tonight with more to come. I will get it done. Probably have a few k worth so far.


Thanks Jason! Looking forward to it

Jason Ramsey
05-31-2012, 07:25 AM
wrangling up a few more, and getting some links together still

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-31-2012, 12:00 PM
wrangling up a few more, and getting some links together still
:beer:

just to tied you guys over here's a sneak peak at some of the prizes:


1st Prize:
GIRL SOCKS!
54266


2nd Prize:
A DOG NAIL TRIMMER!
54268

3rd Prize:
THIS APPLE!!!
54269
(no Apple vs Windows trolling please!)

TOTAL VALLUE: $11,000 !!!!!! :shocked:

Chris Messineo
05-31-2012, 12:06 PM
That apple looks delicious - I want that. :)

Jack Daniel Stanley
05-31-2012, 12:15 PM
It's hard to "shoot for" 3rd place so to speak. Probably best strategy is to go with your "A" game (vs. C game) and if you overshoot and win 1st or 2nd, then see if you can get the Apple winner to trade with you. ; )

Hawk Teflon
06-01-2012, 07:02 AM
If I get 3rd, I'll trade with you, Chris. My wife's feet are always cold.

Jack Daniel Stanley
06-03-2012, 01:40 PM
Something to consider re 3rd prize. It probably won't be that delicious looking or tasting by the time the contest is over and the winners are announced (barter accordingly).

K.L. Cleeton
06-10-2012, 11:43 AM
Hey everyone,

This will be my first festival on DVX if I can find the time to enter. Just have a few questions. First, is there any word on the prizes? Also, the rules say we have to use something called a DVXuser sanctioned leader. What is that? And, where can I find it? The link seems to be dead.


Thanks in advance,
K.L.

Fohdeesha
06-10-2012, 03:21 PM
Not to be a negative nancy, but we're more than a month in and no prize thread or any updates? Not too many entries? Seems kinda dead around here :/

Jason Ramsey
06-11-2012, 10:10 AM
I have posted the first five prize donations. more to come. follow the thread as more stuff gets added here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?284491-WarFEST-Prizes-(ongoing-list)

Kyle Fordrung
06-11-2012, 01:13 PM
This is going to be my first time participating in DVX Fest (or any festival, for that matter). Super excited!

Victor Nhat Nguyen
06-13-2012, 11:44 PM
so how's everyone doing on this thing?

Kyle Fordrung
06-19-2012, 02:58 PM
so how's everyone doing on this thing?

Got the greenlight for the project.

Script is 90% done; casting and location scouting this weekend.

Jason Ramsey
06-20-2012, 09:34 AM
speaking of "greenlight", I've just added a new reflecmedia 8'x8' Chromakey bundle kit courtesy of Guy Cochran and DVeStore to the prize list... Worth $1575.

Matt Harris
06-20-2012, 05:55 PM
nice, i'll have to look this up: reflecmedia 8'x8' Chromakey bundle kit

edit: sweet

http://www.dvestore.com/reflecmedia-8x8-deskshoot-lite-bundle-med-grn/

ReelFilmGeek
06-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Well lost my main actor so back to casting before I can move on with my project I had in mind, hopefully I will find one soon.

Egg Born Son
06-22-2012, 03:50 AM
so how's everyone doing on this thing?

After being sick in bed for weeks my project was dead in the water. Before falling ill I had all my ducks lined up. After rescheduling I had lost my actors, locations and missed the weather window. After enjoying an indian summer and perfect weather, by the time I got better winter was in full display. After despairing all this week the weather gods have smiled and we're having a freak clear day tomorrow, which is coincidently the only day my outdoor location (which I have to get guerilla this time) might be deserted. I feel duty bound to take it as a sign. As long as noone decides to picnic we should be good. While the script I wrote can't be done, I have no idea what the final story is going to be, missing some vital props...I'm determined to submit something. I've grabbed a couple of friends and we're going to wing it, shoot some stuff and hopefully be able to write around it later with the indoor scenes.

Fohdeesha
06-26-2012, 12:37 AM
Well, I'm glad I didn't go to the trouble of making a film thread.

I put off an ERCP surgery a couple months so I could get something made for this. Easy to do when the pain isn't that bad and not too often :) However it's gotten pretty horrible and had yet another ER visit so it looks like I can wait no longer. If a miracle occurs and I still have time to get something made, I'll try my best. OItherwise it looks like I'm out.

Is this fest cursed or something!?

Egg Born Son
06-26-2012, 02:33 AM
Use the trip to hospital and make it a war wound! Should be enough time in the waiting room alone to write, shoot and edit a film :)

Zach Olson
07-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Minor typo: "War Fest Run Dates
Shooting dates start now. The dates to make your film are from April 15th, 2012 to August 16th, 2012. The deadline for uploads will be August 16th, 2011, at 4pm Pacific Daylight(?) Time."

Should be a "2012," unless this is also TimewarpFest...

Jason Ramsey
07-09-2012, 10:27 PM
thanks. fixed.

AustinPatton
07-16-2012, 07:54 PM
Does this have to be filmed on a DVX??

ZazaCast
07-16-2012, 08:56 PM
Does this have to be filmed on a DVX??
No... any camera you'd like to use. :beer:

AustinPatton
07-16-2012, 08:57 PM
So I guess I'm at a disadvantage if I decide to use a DVX then

ZazaCast
07-16-2012, 10:04 PM
So I guess I'm at a disadvantage if I decide to use a DVX then
Not true.... you're at a disadvantage if you DON'T make and enter a film. I can think of a bunch of films that were shot on the most expensive cameras available at the time...and they were just terrible. It's more about the story.

Give it a shot, you'll get valuable feedback (and some not so valuable) and the more films you make..... the more you learn....and the better you get! :)

alex whitmer
07-17-2012, 08:50 AM
Back in WestFest I had one shot on 8mm. It ain't the camera, baby. It's the story - and your sound and shots and editing ...

Fohdeesha
07-18-2012, 09:24 AM
So I guess I'm at a disadvantage if I decide to use a DVX then

It will have quite an advantage over the film I was going to enter shot on an f3 :(


Seize the day!

macgregor
07-30-2012, 11:28 AM
So where are the examples of war shortfilms?

Noel Evans
07-30-2012, 02:11 PM
So where are the examples of war shortfilms?

Mac, the upload deadline is August 16th so, they'll be viewable sometime (a few days after that).

macgregor
07-30-2012, 02:59 PM
Nonono I meant this from the rules " by conflict we mean WAR, not a fight. A 6 minute fight between two people, or a one-time spat, will probably not cut it. Conflict. War. Please see the next post for additional info (coming) and examples of acceptable use of the "war" theme. It should be pretty clear what we mean though (I hope)."

Im thinking in making a short but war is not a theme, its a scenario to me, so Im a bit confused about what you want. ;D

Chris Messineo
07-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Mac is entering? Let the race for second place begin. :)

Seriously, I really hope you enter. I love all your films and I always learn so much from them.

ZazaCast
07-30-2012, 04:32 PM
Im thinking in making a short but war is not a theme, its a scenario to me, so Im a bit confused about what you want. ;D

I'm picturing a couple scantily clad hot models and a pillow fight....let the battle begin! :beer:

...and lets see what that new camera of yours can do.

Ryan Farnes
07-30-2012, 05:00 PM
Anyone in the Washington DC area eyeing this fest?

Ki-Ki
07-31-2012, 05:26 PM
Just to add onto that.. anyone entering from the UK?

macgregor
08-02-2012, 12:02 AM
I think we might make it in time! Getting ready to shoot next monday...

Chris Messineo
08-02-2012, 01:33 PM
i think we might make it in time! Getting ready to shoot next monday...

Sweet!

Chris Messineo
08-12-2012, 08:41 AM
Jason,

Can we get the upload information for this contest? The deadline is approaching fast. Thanks!

Chris

Matt Harris
08-12-2012, 08:42 AM
good luck everyone, i almost got a film finished for entry, but ultimately failed. I'm excited to see your entries!

dougspice
08-12-2012, 09:04 PM
Well, I may be crazy, but we shot a film today. It'll be done in a week? Sure! Why not??

Jason Ramsey
08-12-2012, 10:30 PM
Jason,

Can we get the upload information for this contest? The deadline is approaching fast. Thanks!

Chris

Just put in a request to larry to get the upload page up for you guys.

Zach Olson
08-13-2012, 12:52 AM
Is anyone else having trouble getting to the page to download the leaders?

Chris Messineo
08-13-2012, 05:26 AM
Just put in a request to larry to get the upload page up for you guys.

Awesome - Thanks!

taylormade
08-14-2012, 05:39 AM
Looks like I won't make it. Expaination on my thread for Alone. Best of luck everyone!

Ryan P. Kelly
08-14-2012, 11:34 AM
cant seem to access the leaders??

Jason Ramsey
08-14-2012, 08:56 PM
ok, guys. i apologize about that. the account for that was tied to an old email address, and I missed the renewal notices on the hosting as a result. full disclosure of my dumbassed-ness... :)

anyway... is back up and running now. I still wasn't able to access, but when i used a proxy I could. So, clear your cache or whatnot if you are still having trouble, but all should be good, now.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

Chris Messineo
08-15-2012, 05:38 AM
Larry or Jason,

Any word on getting the uploads turned on? I think we're supposed to have these submitted by tomorrow.

Chris

Ryan P. Kelly
08-15-2012, 11:23 AM
still csant get the leaders?
Also...will we be able to upload tonight? I am out of town all day tomorrow and wont have a chance to upload...need to do it tonight?
thanks guys

Jason Ramsey
08-15-2012, 01:38 PM
larry will get the issue fixed with the leaders link soon.

In the meantime, you can use this link to access them.

Sorry guys.

http://dvxfest.com/mirror/leaders/

JaceBrownlow
08-15-2012, 04:08 PM
where is the upload station?

Jason Ramsey
08-15-2012, 04:16 PM
coming in a few minutes

Matt Harris
08-15-2012, 05:38 PM
good luck people!

Zach Olson
08-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Thanks Jason!

dougspice
08-15-2012, 11:57 PM
Hahaha oh man. I am an idiot. I've been busting my ass, getting really close to finishing this film that I came up with on Wednesday, shot on Sunday, and have been pulling 16-hour days on since then -- but the whole time I've been thinking the deadline is the 18th, not the 16th. Barring a miracle, or me lowering my standards to a degree that's pretty unlikely, I'm not going to submit. Sigh.

Matt Harris
08-16-2012, 12:29 AM
still submit what you have, just do it non compete so we can see what you've been working on!

Jason Daub
08-16-2012, 03:31 AM
Hello all, well it is 3:24 am my time and with the help of my trusty Red Bull I am putting on the finishing touches for my film. However when I went to the link for the DVXusers leaders it said the page did not exist.... soooo.... I really want to submit and not get disqualified. Where shall I get those lead-ins?

Jason Daub
08-16-2012, 04:51 AM
Never mind... It is early morning sleeplessness that is getting to me... I read where I am supposed to go! But... one last thing I am not quite sure of. I am supposed to contact Larry about uploading? How... do I do this? Apologies this is my first time with this process.

ZazaCast
08-16-2012, 04:56 AM
Never mind... It is early morning sleeplessness that is getting to me... I read where I am supposed to go! But... one last thing I am not quite sure of. I am supposed to contact Larry about uploading? How... do I do this? Apologies this is my first time with this process.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?289796-warFEST-Upload-Page-Now-Open

Jason Ramsey
08-16-2012, 12:08 PM
due to all the technical difficulties, is everyone ok if we keep the uploads open throughout the day?

I don't want anyone to give up or miss out, due to our problems.

Chris Messineo
08-16-2012, 02:03 PM
due to all the technical difficulties, is everyone ok if we keep the uploads open throughout the day?

I don't want anyone to give up or miss out, due to our problems.

I think that's smart.

As long as the movies are online by this week-end so I can still have our viewing party!

AJ Brooks
08-16-2012, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I think most everyone will agree that's cool. We want as many films as possible in the fest!

Zach Olson
08-17-2012, 10:05 AM
Yeah, I think most everyone will agree that's cool. We want as many films as possible in the fest!
Totally agree!

dougspice
09-04-2012, 03:52 PM
still submit what you have, just do it non compete so we can see what you've been working on!

Well, I didn't get the first part done in time, but here it is, and if you have comments or thoughts, cool. It's pretty different from most films that were entered, so I don't imagine it would have won, but I like it.

"Dulce Et Decorum Est"

https://vimeo.com/48487851

password: onelatinword

JaceBrownlow
09-04-2012, 04:08 PM
Well, I didn't get the first part done in time, but here it is, and if you have comments or thoughts, cool. It's pretty different from most films that were entered, so I don't imagine it would have won, but I like it.

"Dulce Et Decorum Est"

https://vimeo.com/48487851

password: onelatinword


Hey that was awesome! Simple, yet very well done. Specially the camerawork and costumes!

Matthew B
09-04-2012, 04:13 PM
Short and sweet. I liked it.

Ryan P. Kelly
09-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Well, I didn't get the first part done in time, but here it is, and if you have comments or thoughts, cool. It's pretty different from most films that were entered, so I don't imagine it would have won, but I like it.

"Dulce Et Decorum Est"

https://vimeo.com/48487851

password: onelatinword


Doug,

I thought that was excellent! Felt like an ending sequence more than a short, but really well done. Gotta color correct that smoke a little though...:)

Chris Messineo
09-04-2012, 05:43 PM
Well, I didn't get the first part done in time, but here it is, and if you have comments or thoughts, cool. It's pretty different from most films that were entered, so I don't imagine it would have won, but I like it.

"Dulce Et Decorum Est"

That was awesome. I loved the use of the poem and the cinematography was perfect! Where did you shoot that?

dougspice
09-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Thanks guys! Shot here in Simi Valley, CA. Put the whole thing together in about 5 days, then a week of post or so, so I was a bit disappointed when I realized I misread the deadline. Ah well. Gonna send it off to Slamdance and all that soon.

Ryan - color correct the smoke?

Ryan P. Kelly
09-06-2012, 04:57 PM
yeah the large plume at the end...looked a bit green to me...pulled me out for a second cause everything else felt so real. Really cool...ive watched it about 6 times now

lawriejaffa
09-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Hey Dougspice - very gorgeous looking - maybe that particular poem wasn't quite right for the film though? (as that poem figures around a more extreme metaphor for the horrors of war) which maybe the film could have done more to connect with? Still - awseome piece of cinematography - gorgeous stuff.

//edit, Just noticed (how did i miss the first time - the nod you give the source material with the green column of smoke.) Thats awesome, though still i think we miss the strength of the poem (by not seeing the consequences of it) - still a nice piece though dougspice imo!

Here is a link to a short I reworked, (from an original entry into Epicfest ages ago) that i reckon fits roughly the theme of Warfest! http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/short-film-watch-empire-is-the-horror-of-war-silently-distilled-into-black-and-white.php

dougspice
09-06-2012, 06:32 PM
yeah the large plume at the end...looked a bit green to me...pulled me out for a second cause everything else felt so real. Really cool...ive watched it about 6 times now

Haha. It's supposed to be green. It's signal smoke!




Hey Dougspice - very gorgeous looking - maybe that particular poem wasn't quite right for the film though? (as that poem figures around a more extreme metaphor for the horrors of war) which maybe the film could have done more to connect with? Still - awseome piece of cinematography - gorgeous stuff.



I could have gone to great lengths to show grotesque wounds, sure, which might have hammered the point home... but I still feel like the theme is a pretty straight-line connection. I don't think you need to be staring at a guy's melting face in order to get it. But, then again, since I recalled the poem and immediately imagined pretty much exactly the film you see here, we may simply disagree on this point. Regardless, I'm glad you liked the visuals.

lawriejaffa
09-07-2012, 04:18 AM
I dooooon't know dougspice ;)

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares(2) we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest(3) began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots(4)
Of tired, outstripped(5) Five-Nines(6) that dropped behind.
Gas!(7) Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets(8) just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime(9) . . .
Dim, through the misty panes(10) and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering,(11) choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud(12)
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest(13)
To children ardent(14) for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.(15)

Owen's critique here over (the latin quote dulce et decorum est po patria mori) was that war was not glorious and death hardly sweet. He sought to reflect that by the horrors of 'modern' warfare and the inhumane lengths wih which life and humanity can be sacrificed. He does this explicitly and violently with a description of a comrade falling victim to a chemical warfare attack. Are you aware it refers to the helplessness of ones fellow man to help another, in the face of a nightmarish weapon? (I've noted in green) the vivid description of agony he sees in his comrade... imagine that occuring in an alien green mist... watching his mate choking and writing in his own melting lungs aaaand...

Compare it to your dude looking slightly reflective as his mate is plonked on a stretcher with a shot leg. Its well just a bit more forgettable and less urgent than the visuals and message of the poem cited in green above? So im curious what theme you think is 'a straight-line connection' between the poem and film? Im wondering if you ended up drawing a broad/superficial impression of the poem as simply 'war isnt as fun as some might think it is?' - (*whispers* because you might get shot in the leg!...)

Ryan P. Kelly
09-07-2012, 08:43 AM
ok gotcha! guess my eyes are working :)

EJBinSD
09-07-2012, 01:14 PM
Impressive piece of work. I liked everything being in a single shot and it was well layed out and shot. Costumes and make up looked good.

I didn't care for the processing on the VO, though. I didn't see how the distortion added to the context of the film as it seemed to be processed in a distancing manner as opposed to a manner that pulls you into the subject matter and the mind of the protagonist as the poem is read.

dougspice
09-07-2012, 06:35 PM
I dooooon't know dougspice ;)
Owen's critique here over (the latin quote dulce et decorum est po patria mori) was that war was not glorious and death hardly sweet. He sought to reflect that by the horrors of 'modern' warfare and the inhumane lengths wih which life and humanity can be sacrificed. He does this explicitly and violently with a description of a comrade falling victim to a chemical warfare attack. Are you aware it refers to the helplessness of ones fellow man to help another, in the face of a nightmarish weapon? (I've noted in green) the vivid description of agony he sees in his comrade... imagine that occuring in an alien green mist... watching his mate choking and writing in his own melting lungs aaaand...

Compare it to your dude looking slightly reflective as his mate is plonked on a stretcher with a shot leg. Its well just a bit more forgettable and less urgent than the visuals and message of the poem cited in green above? So im curious what theme you think is 'a straight-line connection' between the poem and film? Im wondering if you ended up drawing a broad/superficial impression of the poem as simply 'war isnt as fun as some might think it is?' - (*whispers* because you might get shot in the leg!...)


I was taught the ol' filmmaking wisdom that if you hear a dog barking, you don't need to cut to a dog to know there's a dog there. It was intentional design to have this film take place AFTER the critical events; the idea is that our "dude looking slightly reflective" could very well be Owen himself. The poem, notice, is not about what it's like to have your face melted off by nerve gas – it's about what it's like to experience that happening to those around you, which I think is a more critical theme to dwell upon in our day and age. I may have a bias here because I have done work with victims of PTSD, but I would assume most of us know a number of veterans who are returning home, trying to resume a "normal" life after witnessing incomparable horrors. There certainly are many excellent films that speak about the horrors of war by focusing explicitly on the macabre of the dead and dying, but that was not my intention here.

EJBinSD - thanks for watching. The idea with the VO was again to bridge the two time periods over which the film "takes place." That may not be clear or it may not exactly work.

lawriejaffa
09-08-2012, 02:45 AM
Yep the gas didn't melt your face off incidentally, it drowned victims basically in their own dissolved lungs. The poem is obviously about witnessing the consequences of such a horrific attack - but it attempts to make us bear witness too, that is WHY the poem goes into such detail over the attack itself. If we bear witness to the 'real horrors' of war, we'd not be so naively jingolistic in support of it. That was of course the critique of the poem (versus jingolism.)

I'm not confronted by the same feelings from the poem with the film, it just trundles on quite easily (but beautifully) without provoking the emotion or having what feels like much to do with the text precisely because there is no horror we bear witness to, or any gas attack (or metaphorical equivelant.) What i do like, is the soldier looking kinda smug at first and then uneasy but its not enough i don't reckon (lol even if ol' Mary Sue told you filmmaking wisdom says do this or that!)


I may have a bias here because I have done work with victims of PTSD, but I would assume most of us know a number of veterans who are returning home, trying to resume a "normal" life after witnessing incomparable horrors. There certainly are many excellent films that speak about the horrors of war by focusing explicitly on the macabre of the dead and dying, but that was not my intention here.
Sure I too have worked with victims of PTSD that have served in the military and I too am aware of there being films that speak about the horrors of war.

My point is that you have chosen a poem very famous for its utter horror and yes macabre nature. When you do that, there is already an expectation associated with it. Hence if your going to dispense with the horror and macabre, you gotta have something extra-ordinary to balance against that expectation - and well you didn't. Just something nice but not enough to leave anyone familiar with the poem imo, struck by the power of your film or statement. I fear its a bit pretty (very pretty!!!) but forgettable where as the poem itself stays with you forever.

// I would suggest if you don't mind - having a radical experiment with the colour grading - lets make it cold and ill looking? Give it a disturbing soundtrack, with a smack of uneasy sound design on the reveal of the injured soldier... and instead of a post processed voice over, get an old dude to do the voice over (it will juxtaposition better with the young soldier) - just some opinion tips!

dougspice
09-10-2012, 10:16 PM
Well, like I said, we disagree. But that's fine! I appreciate the comments.