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MKatt
04-09-2012, 01:35 AM
Just wanted to drop in and say hello to everyone as I am new here.

I am a Production Designer/Set Designer/Set Dresser/Etc. (I love all things art dept really but primarily do sets)

Totally not the person to talk to regarding the operation of a camera. However if you want to know the difference between smooth pebble and Slate (paint colors) I am totally your girl!

Looking forward to getting to know everyone!

-Katt

Matthew B
04-09-2012, 05:53 AM
Where abouts are you based?

Amr Rahmy
04-09-2012, 06:58 AM
welcome to the community, i'll hit you up with a question right away. just to make you feel at home.

would you know what a small budget scripted production similar to a daytime drama(soap opera) would spend on set design($$ or percentage of season budget), how many sets would they have?, and in set shooting ratio(compared to other indoor and/or outdoor locations)?

MKatt
04-14-2012, 11:16 PM
Matthew B - I currently live in the midwest but will be moving to the west coast in the next year.

Amr - To be honest, without reading a script it would be hard to tell. if the script is already written then you design to the script and find places that work. if it isnt written I would recommend 5-6 indoor places min. and perhaps a couple of outdoor locations. (one of my fav daytime dramas has no less than 20 indoor locations i can think of off the top of my head!)

Are you going to use practical locations or build in a warehouse? Finding an existing space you can alter slightly can save money, but can reduce your flexibility on filming. So how long would this show air? Lots of variables that cant really be answered without the script. :-)

For example. I am currently working on a webseries where one set cost about 1k to build and where another only cost me about 40.
the first set is in a warehouse and was a complete remodel of a space. Most of that budget went to building materials. A lot of the set dressing I was able to beg/borrow.
the other set I totally lucked out on and was perfect save for a few minor changes.

Sorry I can't give an exact answer. :-(

Amr Rahmy
04-15-2012, 07:36 AM
p.s. this is going to be a long and boring post if you don't like dramas.


i don't watch too much daytime dramas(i just started to research this), i wanted to get a feel of how many sets(recurring) they would normally use. is that 20 different locations or different sets of the same location (for example different sets in a house or hospital).i do watch other tv shows including prime-time drama(or evening soaps) like grey's anatomy, switched at birth, ..etc. and they keep to their 2-4 big locations if that(but it does include an enormous hospital that keeps getting bigger every year, or a giant house) with a few rare scenes in different locations(but certainly not in every episode). switched at birth has a smaller main location with a bit more variety and outdoor scenes.

i have seen a few episodes in sequence of(i think days of our lives or the young and the restless), it was about new years and they pretty much had one bar, one camera angle, one close up, and one prison set, medium and over the shoulder, and in another story-line, one house reception area(living room) and a door. so not that many sets in all the episodes i watched, maybe a week worth of content. amazingly in these few episodes, there were pregnancies, adultery, love triangles, proposals, scheming, people getting drunk, people in prison and i just scrub through it and wasn't paying that much attention to the dialogue...etc.

still debating the idea of a drama series, something that looks like prime-time tv production with daytime story-lines (about life, relations, family, maybe add in some subplots from courtroom dramas, hospital, business..etc), (haven't had the chance to watch Dallas or dynasty but it might be close to that).

before going to pre-production, trying to estimate what a pilot and a season 1 would need in terms of locations, sets, and wardrobe.(if it's feasible within web series low budgets)

practical locations would be better for me, but it would probably cost exponentially more in rental and inversely in time.

but lets say for example if there was a drama series with:

1- one main mansion(family house), 2 apartments - the main house would be a long rental since it will be featured in every episode.
2- 2 or three work places for the main lead characters <- small scenes, no transitioning shots in the location
3- a restaurant, coffee place, bar, ..etc
4- maybe a high school or a college campus. <- this does not seem like a straight forward and repeatable rental for an indie production
5- the pilot would take place in a hotel during a wedding day. <- the hotel part seems much more accessible or negotiable than the high school to me.

and i would be planning for an entire season, 12 episodes, 40 min episode run-time. what do you think would be more cost effective straight rental/small set decoration, and what would be a studio/warehouse set.

the idea of an action(contemporary) or sci-fi series seems a bit better to me everyday.

MKatt
04-30-2012, 02:52 AM
I would say a combination of the two would be best.

For example. The restaurant, coffee place, bar etc. could be actual locations to save on sets.
The house spots would be easiest to build in a warehouse if that is where a majority of your shooting will occur. This way you can fill around location availability for practical spots.
Plus house set ups are WAY cheaper than business. (in my experience)

A warehouse with some false walls are fairly easy to throw up. slap on some paint, hang a few wall pieces. maybe build in a bookcase and smatter books and personal effects around. boom. someones den.

Amr Rahmy
04-30-2012, 10:43 AM
these are very loose numbers.

on a 40 min episode i would imagine on average, 15 to 25 mins/per episode of the footage to be in the house(or main location, hotel, casino, apartment complex, hospital, police department, courtroom). so i would have to utilize the entire house. exterior, garden, pool, reception area, hallways, rooms, bathroom, kitchen, transitioning shots inside the house. this won't be a daytime drama cinematography.

on the other hand, the main bar or restaurant footage would not exceed 1 to 5 mins. can be 100% artificial lighting(no emulation required), and can be just one set.

but i'm not sure if it would cost more or less than actual locations - i would imagine the show would still need multiple 'outdoor' locations anyway. at least 2 mins every 3 or 4 episodes other than the 1-5 mins per episode in the main outdoor location, and maybe 5-10 mins for the workplace(s).

jackscoldsweat
05-01-2012, 04:28 PM
Welcome aboard MKatt! I've found this a really helpful place - hope you do too!