Best Workflow for 24pa Progressive DVD?

[skunker]

Hi folks,
Long time member of this forum. I have lurked now and then, however, now I need your help.

I own a DVX100 (the original, not "A") and never shot in the 24pa/advanced mode before. I am going to be shooting a 10 minute educational video that will be outputted to Progressive DVD and shown on a HI-DEF widescreen plasma (Link to model (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6376539&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050028&id=1077624868469)).

I need to know the best workflow for an awesome final product. I am editing on Adobe Premiere 1.5 and have access to Adobe Encore if needed. What preset should I use for outputting to a progressive DVD in Premiere or Encore? What settings should I use in the camera's scene file for a great final product? Lastly, I am having a 3d animator create a 3d animation for the video, are there any known issues with inputting animations into 24pa footage? If so, what should I tell the animator to export his file as?

Thanks for any help!

[Neil Rowe]

shoot 24pa- capture via scene detection and edit in 24p panasonic preset and output with a 24p DVD setting (23.976) from premiere change the GOP to 12 frames instead of 15. and adjust bitrate as wanted but keep under 7.4 max.. and then import into ENcore .. its pretty easy just use all the 24p settings.
if your shooting anamorphic or squeeze just keep the aspect ratio at 16:9 for the projects and the DVD encoding.

[skunker]

Hiya iamloser, you joined the same date I did. I've seen your name throughout this forum for the past 2 years. Thanks for your contributions and thanks for your individual attention to my post.

Last question. Do i need to worry about the 3d animation if I import it into my 24p timeline?

[Neil Rowe]

..not really. .. at least i wouldnt think so, just use the same aspect ratio , and a good codec running at 24p. ive imported varios things at 24p into 24p projects without any problem. i would think it would be ok.

..weird, we joined the same date. ..i call myslef a loser, and you call yourself a skunk. it must be some sort of self defamation day or something. lol

[skunker]

LOL, actually my nick name is a term they use for 'hitmen'. To 'hit' someone is to 'skunk' them. Well, that's what they call it down here on the Tex/Mex border.

Anyways, thanks again. Quick question: When I import my 24pa footage into the Premiere Pro 1.5 Panasonic preset, I still have to render the footage. Is that normal? Just want to make sure I don't have a setting screwed up somewhere.

[Neil Rowe]

you shouldnt have to render unless youve applied some effect or something. it should be reardy to go after import. be absolutelty sure you capture using scene detection so that each shot is its own clip, and use the panasonic preset with 24Pa footage and it shouldnt need to render at all.

[skunker]

iamloser, something is not right if you said I should not have to render. Furthermore, I right clicked my clip in the timeline and choose PROPERTIES and noticed that it says my FRAMERATE is 29.97. That' can't be right! I did check my camera scene file and it says I shot it at F6 dial at progressive 24pa.

Okay, just put that same clip in a regular DV/60i preset and it did not ask to render! So, looks like my camera is lying to me somewhere and it is indeed not shooting at 24pa. This makes sense because when i played back the original footage, it looked like video (and crap).

[Sumfun]

Although the DVX shoots at 24p, it lays the footage on tape as 60i. But you've run into a bug with PP1.5. If you put a 24p clip into a 30fps timeline, it will require you to render. If you render, the video will look jerky because PP1.5 removes the 3:2 pulldown and puts in its own pull down.

[skunker]

Okay, so my FRAMERATE will say "29.97" on the clip PROPERTIES when right clicked in the timeline?

Still, I am getting the red line above the clip when I import a "24pA" clip into the timeline (I selected the Panasonic preset in the beginning). Am I supposed to get that or not?

[Neil Rowe]

no .. you shouldnt have it. sumfun.. hes saying that his 24pa footage requires him to render in a 24p project .. but NOT in a 29.976 project..

..it sounds like the footage is not 24pa... if it is you should see one interlaced frame every 5 frames of thefootage in a 29.976 timeline.. if its not they will all be interlaced. or it coulld possibly be 24pn in which some will be and some wont. (2:3) ..

so to be clear.. if you have 24pa footage and did indeed capture it using scene detection, and import it into a panasonic 24p preset you do not need to render.. no red line. the timeline is 24fps and the program removes the extra interlaced frames and extracts and lays down the original 24p frames into the 24p timeline.. no redering required for playback.. just sweet 24p

[Sumfun]

Okay, sorry, I didn't see post #7 before I replied. Yes, if you have a 24fps project and you import/capture 24p footage, then you shouldn't have to render. If the properties say that your frame rate is 29.97, then you don't have have 24p video.

First make sure your camera was set to F5 or F6. Then make sure that you only capture 24p video. For example, don't start your capture on the color bars because they're always 60i. PP1.5 only looks at the first frame of a clip to determine its property. This is where the scene detect will help you because it starts a new clip for every new scene.

[skunker]

The tape in question has the following:

1.) I originally striped the entire tape with color bars (60i)
2.) I recorded a 60i sequence in the beginning of the tape
3.) Color bars seperate the 60i footage and the "24pa" footage, however, I only imported the "24pa" footage into Premiere (no color bars).

[Neil Rowe]

..one main thing you havent confirmed yet is that you captured using "scene detection".. this MUST be done for 24p to work right in PPRO. otherwise the cadance gets screwed up, and the 60i part at the beginning is likely what is causing the trouble.

[Sumfun]

I would also suggest trying an experiment with a new tape that only has 24p footage on it. No striping, no color bars. That way you can reduce some of the variables.

[skunker]

Yep, the new tape worked flawlessly. It seems the problem is that I had 60i footage mixed with 24pa stuff on the other tape seperated by 60i color bars causing me to have to render the "24pa" footage with the Panasonic preset.

Oh well, I won't do that again. Thanks everyone!

[Sumfun]

I'm glad you finally got it to work! BTW, if you want to stripe your tape, I'd suggest using 24p and black video (i.e. with lens cap on).