Timecode Window Dub

[MikeV]

In the old days of off-line and on-line editing we used to burn copies/dubs of our raw footage (Timecode Window Dub) with a window displaying the running timecode in the video area. This was used by, or with, clients for them to identify the footage they would like to use, and perhaps also as an aid in making a paper EDL.

Can anyone direct me as to how to do the same thing with my non-linear editing system? I am using a DVX100A and Adobe Premier Pro, with a Panasonic DV2500 digital video recorder tied into my editing workstation, via FireWire.

I'm sure that this has been covered, but the only thing I can fine on the site is a thread about Timecode Print, which I don't think answers my need. Thank you for your help.

mike@vteckmedia.com

[jchenier]

I don't think it can be done. I've asked this question before, and I've had some answers, but they never worked out well. With all the wipes, fades, dissolves, effects, etc., I can't believe Adobe hasn't covered this yet.

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com

[Chiaroscuro]

I've made some window dubs in my day too. The only suggestion I could provide is to play back your footage in the Panasonic DV2500 with the time code window on and record it directly to your camcorder. I'm not sure this will work because in looking at the specs of the Panasonic DV2500, I didn't see a video output that had (super) or (char) associated with it. The decks I used to do window dubs with had a seperate video output with either (super) or (char) written beside the output. Hopefully, I have been of some help. Good luck friend.

[MikeV]

Thanks for the input.

[MikeV]

I don't see a way with the DV2500 either. The other problem is that I want to make a DVD for client review, with the timecode. I do appreciate the input. Thanks.

Mike

[Sirius_Doggy]

It can be done from the DVX100a. I make Window dubs often for my clients of the raw tapes. - Not through firewire though. You have to take the composite line out to a VCR. There's a setting in the menu to turn the TC display on the line output. Don't have my camera handy at the moment to talk you through it but it is doable.
While in VCR mode, go to menu and look for display settings, OSD (on screen display) and turn it on.
Remember it only works on the composite out, not firewire.

You don't happen to have the Matrox RTx100 card do you? It has a TC effect that will overlay your timeline timecode or any preset TC you desire.

[dhartman]

I believe that you can take your footage into After Effects, go to Effects/Video/Timecode and position the window where you want.

[Neil Rowe]

the matrox rtx 100 with premiere lets you place a timcode window with adjustbale size- position-transparency- luma on export , and i cant remeber for sure but i think after effects "timcode" plugin can be used in premiere. .. bah. i could be dead wrong on that.. ill try to remember to check later. but i think ive seen it there in my effects list. however that doesnt mean it works..

[MikeV]

Thanks to all of you. Some good ideas here. I do not have a Matrox in my system, but I do have a stand-alone DVD recorder, in addition to the several in the system. With that in mind, perhaps I can take the direct video out from the DVX100a, as Sirius_Doggy, suggests, and put it into the DVD recorder. That way I can give the client(s) a DVD instead of a tape. This just may work. Besides it will save a lot of system time and resources by not having to assemble all the raw footage on the system for burning to DVD.

[BLUESPIDER]

If you are running Premiere 6.5 on a Mac, then you can burn timecode when you capture.

[Sirius_Doggy]

Blue - I beleive he mentioned in his first post he's running PPro.

[BLUESPIDER]

Blue - I beleive he mentioned in his first post he's running PPro.

I know, I was just saying that 6.x Mac version of Premiere only allows you to burn timecode. I don't understand why PC version of Premiere can't..

[EYES OF NY]

Thanks Dhartman I never realized the time code option in AE.

[jchenier]

I found a solution to this. Check out this thread: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=27237

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com

[Sirius_Doggy]

I found a solution to this. Check out this thread: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=27237

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com (http://www.beyondtimemedia.com)

I saw this post as well. I downloaded the demo plugin and it does truely work well. I'm just not thrilled about sended my credit card info over the internet to a company in RUSSIA.......If they took Paypal i'd buy it.

[jchenier]

Hey Sirius, I hear your concerns, I had them too. But when I looked into it, the credit card payment doesn't go to russia. The payment is handled through a company called "Share-it" www.shareit.com which is in the US and in Germany.

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com

[PDX_DVX]

So far so good on the CC payment? I am considering this myself too...

[BLUESPIDER]

Funny, I just realized I never really had the use for timecode. I've done everything from foleying, music videos, sound effects, blah and never once looked at the timecode. Am I on crack or something? But I do understand the needs of TC for many folks.

[jchenier]

So far so good on the CC payment. I'll post if there are any issues.

BLUESPIDER, think about the options for using timecode. I now do a complete capture of a tape, burn in timecode with the pluggin, output as a low-size WMV, big enough to be able to read the timecode, but small enough not to take up a ton of disc size, and that's how I archive material. When I'm looking for a specific clip, I open the WMV, scan through the find the scene I'm looking for, and just write down the timecode of the clip I want, do a batch capture with timecode numbers, and presto.

It's also really helpful if you have a clip that you just did a manual capture for, that you've been keeping on your harddrive because you can't recreate it from a batch capture. You can now read the tape timecode at the first and last frame and completly recreate the clip.

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com

[PDX_DVX]

What timecode settings do you use with the plugin (i downloaded the demo)

[Sirius_Doggy]

What timecode settings do you use with the plugin (i downloaded the demo)
PDX - Use the Timeline TC if you are interested in a burn of the specific project timeline you are working on. Use the Tape TC if you are interested in specific tape TC.
Here's what I would use it for:
Timeline TC: to send to a client a window burn of an edited project so they can pick out shots they want to change or delete.
Tape TC: (I do this all the time with the camera as I explained above.) I sometimes give my clients VHS window dubs of all of the raw footage so they can pick out specific shots they wish to use. Sort of a pre-edit pick list. I do this for the Comedy shoot I do once a month. I shoot the entire show, that same night I make a window-dub VHS for them to take back to L.A. the next morning. They review it and pick the TC for the bits they want edited and email me the list. I then edit the final tape for them and FedEx the finished DVD. Makes it real easy to edit for a client when they can't be sitting over you shoulder.

[Shooter]

There is a plug in for prem pro called DVdate that will do this function.

[Sirius_Doggy]

Yeh - that's the plugin we are talking about. Check out Justin's post above to another post to the link to dvdate.....sort of a convoluted way of getting there.....