NO More Negative, let's work on the work flow.

[mthornton]

How do we get the most out this camera.

With 4:2:2 we can really do some keying here.

HD and can be blow up to film better.

New work flow, no more painful digitizing, sync sound, and conforming. Save me $$$ and so much times.

8 minute shots? Hummm, I'm not shooting docs, I'm shooting features.

Camera plus two P2 cards for under 10K. I'm getting two cameras, anyone want to rent?

Maybe we need a P2 Drive that is 1394 and hold 6 P2 cards?

Hummmm, do more with less, now do more with P2? Yeah! Yahooooooo!

Jan? When we see some test footage?

Thanks

Mthornton

www.spiritsthemovie.com

[Jan_Crittenden]

Hi Michael,

I believe toward the end of August is the first we will see actual pictures. Maybe sooner, but I am not holding my breath.

I think instead of the P2 drive, you should just use your computer to offload your cards and then just save it all on two HDDs. One as primary and one as backup.

We now have the Workflow paper up on the website:
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=93120&catGroupId=14569&surfModel=AG-HVX200&surfCategory=Cinema%20Series%20Cameras&displayTab=R

Click on the White Paper Link.

Let's take the discussion from there.

Best,

Jan

[soarprod]

Very nice white paper Jan - hats off to the marketing dept. So, if we have pictures Aug. can we have the HVX ~ Sept. Please! Holding my breath here :)

[goober542]

Are we going to at all be able to use off the shelf drives to record to. I hope something is developed to do so. That would be the most ideal for me at least.

[Barry_Green]

You can dump your footage to an off-the-shelf drive. You won't be able to record directly to it, but you'll record to the P2 card and then dump it to the drive.

Third-party companies may be offering devices that let you record directly to an off-the-shelf drive, but that remains to be seen.

As for September -- I'd say not likely. Panasonic said 4Q, which doesn't include September, the 4Q starts in October. Anytime between October 1 and December 31 qualifies as "fourth quarter".

[soarprod]

I know Barry, I know but to dream the impossible dream...... (cue music)
-officially stolen from the Muppet Show.

[RyanF]

This is getting fun. I still hope the price is lower than expected. And I also hope there is a way to transfer P2 data to an iPod w/o having to use a computer. . . something in the field, handheld getting power from the iPod itself would be Ideal.

[stephenlnoe]

Two things:

1. What is the recording time with the 16GB P2 solution for DVCPro50 60i or 30P?

2. I'm glad there was a picture of a guy holding the camera in the white paper. Now I have an idea of it's size. How about a picture of a cdrom in front of the camera (a la steve's digicam).

thanks...

[Barry_Green]

This is getting fun. I still hope the price is lower than expected. And I also hope there is a way to transfer P2 data to an iPod w/o having to use a computer. . . something in the field, handheld getting power from the iPod itself would be Ideal.
You can do exactly that. Plug the ipod into the USB2 port on the camera, put the camera in VCR mode, and tell it to dub the contents to the iPod. No computer necessary.

[Barry_Green]

1. What is the recording time with the 16GB P2 solution for DVCPro50 60i or 30P?

32 minutes of DVCPRO50 on a 16gb card.

[stephenlnoe]

Barry, 32 minutes and the ability to delete scenes that are crap is what sells this camera (to me). Do they plan on using an indexing feature or is there indexing only on start/stop of the camera?

[Barry_Green]

Don't know. Didn't ask that question. We'd have to ask Jan. I know you can mark selected takes, and delete bad takes, but I don't know if you can split takes in teh middle of a take (other than start/stop).

[10s]

Jan, I love that PDF file, forward my thanks to the marketing folks!

[Jan_Crittenden]

The index or rather thumbnail is recorded as the first frame and the stop record is the last frame. So if you are looking at three takes, all three look the same. You can set up one of the user buttons as a Marker and mark the good take, then when you have a moment you can quickly identify the good take, delete the bad ones, then immediately go back to recording, having immediately regained the time from the deleted bad takes.

P2 is cool. Its funny, for the last year I have been working with the tape based cameras and 24P and thinking, man these cameras are so cool. Then at the same time I have been working on the HVX project and coming into NAB, I knew we needed the "White Paper." And so in the process of pulling that together, I have become a bit of a convert. P2 just takes some of the really difficult things, like wasted tape out of the picture. Note that I did not include that as one of the benefits in the paper. I didn't because, to explain it took too much time, and people would say, I wouldn't do that and that is a silly benefit. But it isn't for some.

Anyhow, hope this helps.

Best,

Jan

[alpi69]

the biggest questionmark in the workflow to me is the backup.
if you shoot a youth sporting event and one of the kids becomes a star and the parents contact you years later, than now you just went to the old tapes and looked him up. with P2 you might only keep the consolidated project and lose all other stuff.

so i plan this backupworkflow:
1) get cheap, big 5400rpm HDDs and dump the project there asap.
2) when consolidated back the used clips up onto a RAID 5 system which then gets emptied onto BlurRay 30GB disks.
that´s the plan anyway ;-)

[Jan_Crittenden]

I know Blu-ray looks interesting but my gut level is that the cost per gig is going to be about the same as tape, at least initially. I would look at one of the DLT, LTO or Holographic Blue Laser technologies. There you have much large capacities and lower cost per gig.

Best,

jan