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Jarred Land
04-19-2005, 09:06 AM
click below to read the article:

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/HVX200/

ian lucero
04-19-2005, 10:57 AM
Gulp... :lipsrseal

dvpixl
04-19-2005, 11:59 AM
talk about all-in-one and portability.

sugahsean469
04-19-2005, 02:12 PM
By the Lords of Kobol!!! Just when you think Panasonic had all the answers. . .they changed(for the better) all friggin the questions!!!!

monte
04-19-2005, 04:04 PM
Not bad

ddh
04-19-2005, 05:30 PM
Just a quick question. What's the lens size? Is it the same as the DVX?

Aaron Koolen
04-19-2005, 05:48 PM
From what we've been told, it is 82mm, so no, it's bigger.

Aaron

Lalo
04-19-2005, 05:52 PM
youŽll never have the last camera... i dont know if i want to laught or to cry...

Sirius_Doggy
04-19-2005, 06:25 PM
Yeh yeh yeh the camera's great but I got a shot of Jan in her bare feet.....:evil:

http://www.pbase.com/siriusdoggy/image/42302891.jpg

Sorry Jan, I couldn't resist.....:laugh:

Oh yes, I got camera shots too. Not as good as the ones Jarred has in his article but different non the less.

http://www.pbase.com/siriusdoggy/image/42302887.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siriusdoggy/image/42302888.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siriusdoggy/image/42302889.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siriusdoggy/image/42302890.jpg

Colione
04-19-2005, 10:11 PM
Released in the last quarter of 2005?

... can I save $6000 in 7-8 months? ..I hope so! :D

reservoir
04-19-2005, 10:32 PM
Looks like Jan wasn't too happy to be photographed. Can't you see she's *CLEARLY* flipping you the bird? :)

Just kiddin'.....

~reservoir~

Barry_Green
04-20-2005, 12:29 AM
Jan is TOTALLY flipping off Sirius_Doggy! You go, Jan! :)

Sirius_Doggy
04-20-2005, 10:03 PM
:cry:

Now I'm upset..... NOT..........:)
She's flipping the guy off that she's talking to. He was from Millimeter Magazine.

TimurCivan
04-20-2005, 11:00 PM
i dunno know about you guys, but, like. I simply cannot believe it. The damn thing sounds perfect. Granted, because of P2 limitations, right now, the record time is questionable, but VAricam like framerates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats when i started drooling for real.
OMG this Cam is the Love.

AZsspvideo
04-20-2005, 11:23 PM
Thanks for the report on the HDX-200, As a very happy DVX-100A owner/user, who would love to move into HDV or HD now, I now feel it would be worth the wait until the 200 comes out. I have used Sony cameras in the past, but everyday the 100A repays me for my investment in it.

ddh
04-21-2005, 04:58 PM
I'm wondering if I'm going to have to do something about my 503 bogen head? The DVX barley allows me to lock down as it is. With a wider base on the HDX, it looks like I'll have lock-down problems?

Bob Crabtree
04-21-2005, 05:01 PM
I've said it over on the DVdoctor forums, (http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=66570) but I'll say it here as well:

The authors of this write up have done a magnificent job.

Flows well, easy to read and detailed - everything it should be, and infectiously enthusiastic but still with plenty of caveats in place where necessary.

I don't often read writing of this quality - whether in specialist magazines or on web sites - so I'm delighted when I do come across it in places with which I have no involvement.

Sometimes, as I struggle to maintain a certain standard, I feel as though I'm alone on this side of the editorial fence in thinking that quality really does matter (other members of DVdoctor and HEXUS excepted, of course) - and that dumbing down (and inaccuracy) ARE acceptable and, thus, will soon be the norm.

Very heartening.

Well done!

Bob Crabtree

ericyoung
04-22-2005, 09:56 AM
Holy Cow! Time to start saving.

Any information about what us Europeans will be getting?

Barry_Green
04-22-2005, 03:42 PM
Bob, thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated!

Bob Crabtree
04-22-2005, 07:14 PM
Barry,

Most welcome - keep up the good work.

Cheers

Bob C

Clint Johnson
04-24-2005, 04:44 PM
I had held out hope that they could squeeze in the ability to record DVCPro-HD to tape but since they are going with MiniDV that is pretty much out of the question. I guess that the mechanism is too expensive to include in a $6000 camera and I'll just have to pony up another $3400 so that I can get that 1080 24p or 720 quasi-Varicam goodness.

rzanerutledge
05-01-2005, 01:20 AM
Question.

I totally agree this looks like a really niiiiice camera, with lots of features and general goodness...but I do think it is a bit of an overstatement to tout a comparable 1080 recording mode when your CCD array is only 720 high. Or am I wrong that this is the case? Everything I read early on about this camera seemed to indicate only a 720 sensor, which might still scale nicely enough to 1280x1080, for a nice less-compressed output in a better-than-HDV codec. But this is still a 960x720 original image compared to Sony's 960x1080 array. Why does everyone seem to compare them as if they are the same? As if the HVX offers 1080 "just like the Sony" does?

Don't get me wrong; I imagine all the other comparators will likely win out in Panasonic's favor (24p, DVCPRO-HD, etc), but the 1080 claim/comparison still bugs me. It seems to me that the 1080 claim for output is not quite accurate, or if so deserves some kind of asterisk, meaning *interpolated* output. Or something. :undecided

Of course, maybe the array is actually 1280x720, meaning we'd gain in the horizontal and wouldn't lose anything in the upconvert to 1280x1080. That might actually be better; as we'd gain horizontal res, even if the vertical is scaled up 1.5x. But it still isn't exactly comparable, and isn't really a 1080 camera, exactly.

I guess ultimately it really does come down to simply comparing final images, which we can't yet do; I'm just trying to compare oranges and oranges with the numbers, and finding it a bit misleading all around.

Barry_Green
05-01-2005, 01:40 AM
First of all, no factual information has been released about the CCD at all. We have no idea what the CCD pixel dimensions will be.

Secondly, 960x720 refers to the pixel dimensions of the DVCPRO-HD format when it's recording 720p. Unlike HDCAM, DVCPRO-HD provides for both 1080 and 720 recording.

Nobody is going to compare this camera to a $160,000 CineAlta, other than to say that it is the only other camera on the market (or soon to be on the market) that can shoot 1080/24p. Obviously a $6,000 camera is not going to compare to a $160,000 camera (body + lens). But it's way premature to be making any guesses about "interpolation" or "scaling" or anything like that. We don't know yet, all we know is that Panasonic has promised us a camera that shoots native 1080i and 1080p, as well as native 720p.

rzanerutledge
05-01-2005, 10:08 AM
First of all, no factual information has been released about the CCD at all. We have no idea what the CCD pixel dimensions will be...

But it's way premature to be making any guesses about "interpolation" or "scaling" or anything like that. We don't know yet, all we know is that Panasonic has promised us a camera that shoots native 1080i and 1080p, as well as native 720p.
Well, while it may be "way premature" to be making guesses about these things, it doesn't seem to stop anyone from making comparisons between existing cameras, without even knowing these specs for comparison's sake. All I'm saying is reading an article like this one compares the cameras in exactly this way, without even mentioning the little fact that "We have no idea what the CCD pixel dimensions will be." Speaking of prematurity.

Barry_Green
05-01-2005, 03:28 PM
... and the article clearly, and repeatedly, said that "the footage is all that matters, once we see the footage we'll be in a position to know." The article said that on paper the specs look great, but we still need to see footage. If the footage stinks, then obviously the comparison is moot, as nobody would buy the camera. How does that not adequately inform the reader?

rzanerutledge
05-01-2005, 09:35 PM
...How does that not adequately inform the reader?
Well, I think my first question addressed exactly how it potentially misinforms the reader -- namely with regard to 1080 recording mode. We don't really know whether you can compare the HVX's 1080 to Sony's since we don't know the resolution of the CCD, yet the article doesn't mind throwing the 1080 mode around as if they are perfectly equivalent (or heck, as if the HVX is better), e.g. statements like: "...plus the ability to record 1080i and 1080p, and no MPEG artifacts, all for about the same price." I'm just saying I have a hard time considering this a true 1080 camera with only 720 lines in the CCD. (Assuming that proves to be the case.)

Why don't we drop it, Barry? I posed it as an open question that just kinda bugged me, but clearly some people will try to argue a point for the sake of arguing. It still bugs me, but we'll just have to wait to see. I just think "greater than sliced bread" articles like this sound more confident and comparable than they should, considering we haven't seen an image, or, for that matter, even know all the specifications of the camera. That's all. :shocked:

Jarred Land
08-12-2005, 10:03 PM
lol

mezelf27
08-19-2005, 07:33 PM
Has anyone actually HELD one of these? I thought the DVX was damn bulky to hold steady in one hand, this one seems impossible, then...

Tombomber
08-30-2005, 06:42 AM
Is the lense about the same as the sony z1, besides the zoom because i know the pan. is longer. Also does anyone else agree that the z1 is just a meaner lookin camera? It sucks cause i really love sony, but looks like im goin w/this one.

Zack Birlew
08-30-2005, 02:28 PM
I would imagine the lens would be better than the Z1's lens. Doesn't mean the resolution is going to be too much affected, it's still like 1080x1440 and not 1080x1920 or something like that isn't it (sorry if the numbers are wrong)?

Nobody has held an actual working model yet or seen a still or video of the footage. By the looks of things, it could have the big, yet hollow and light feel of the FX1 and Z1U or it could be a 5-10 pound weight! We don't know yet, but hopefully we'll see more during the fourth quarter of the year. I'm mostly wondering about the limitations of its DVCPROHD brought on by the 1/3" CCD. The JVC HD-100U looks great in comparison to the Sony's, though I am a bit partial to the HC-1 and A1-U since they're so small and HD at the same time. But if I'm going to be making movies, Panasonic's solution seems to be the most attractive.

Ronster
11-24-2005, 02:34 PM
so when exactly is the hvx200 coming out...I heard a rumor not until NAB 2006....I read hear 4th quarter 2005...but isn't it 4th quarter now?

Once they come out will they all be pre-sold or will their be some in stores?

Barry_Green
11-24-2005, 02:56 PM
They'll be out by Dec. 31st 2005, maybe a little sooner. And if you're not already on a pre-order list, there's very little chance you'd find one in stores as there's been very heavy pre-ordering.

puredv
11-24-2005, 05:08 PM
i read December 20th, and I am so sad I can't afford one yet, I hope round 2 of cameras are out though by Feb 1st, when i plan on selling my youngest son to the circus to get one.

Ronster
11-25-2005, 12:24 PM
barry

once again thanks for the info....I am going to be shooting a feature in April...I'm looking around march to buy one...what would be the best game plan??? Is it going to be that hard to buy one in march?

Ronster
11-25-2005, 12:31 PM
barry

once again thanks for the info....I am going to be shooting a feature in April...I'm looking around march to buy one...what would be the best game plan??? Is it going to be that hard to buy one in march?

Barry_Green
11-25-2005, 04:26 PM
I would assume that the production line would be up to speed and able to deliver adequate quantities in March, but there's no way to know this far in advance. If it's a massive hit they might be in short supply for a while, if it doesn't go over that well then they may be plentifully available.

Konrad
11-28-2005, 12:38 PM
I'm hoping the HVX lives up to all the hype. But the $49 price difference mentioned in the review is not in true context. I'm sure that was the price difference when the article was written and YES HDV has serious limitations.

My point is there was not a $49 then or now over a $1000 price difference. For me and I'm sure many folks the price difference is at least double the purchase price. To get all that is wonderful with the HVX includes all the associated costs to actually capture and edit DVproHD. Including media (P2 orFW), a NLE that will work with DVproHD and a computer that will crunch four times as much data.

Sorry but like many I'm on a budget. I know my computer can crunch m2t files in Vegas (I've done it) and my old P4 2.4 GHz Dell will do it better with a new CPU and video card upgrade ($200-$400). Fot me it's $6,000 or less for a Z-1 and PC upgrades or $12,000 or more for HVX-200 with two P2 Cards, NLE or pay for a non native kludge workflow to vegas, plus a new PC. That's a long way from $49. For indies the DVX100 rocked because it was plug and play. I take now joy in this, I really want all that is better with the HVX it's just not in the budget.

MChotai
01-16-2006, 07:57 AM
Was just wondering if interval recording was re-included? Might have missed it when I skimmed the review.

Barry_Green
01-16-2006, 12:22 PM
The HVX200 does have interval recording, yes.

ProVideoBrian
01-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Konrad,
While the cost of media may be a bit steep at this point, for only $49 more than a Sony, you can get a camcorder that captures and processes all its internal video in HD and then converts that video to SD to go to tape. You don't need a single P2 card to get started and you get a DVX100 on steroids. Plus, you have a direct path to HD when the time comes. I know a couple of rental houses that are planning on renting P2 cards for HVX users that can't afford the jump now.

aymar
06-22-2006, 08:00 AM
Hi
What time we can buy the new PS2 with more GB?
Panasonic says something about this? concrate dates?
Last day i see the camara and take with my hands, ohhhh god....