LumiereHD For Editing

[Gary_McClurg]

It doesn’t record native 24p to tape. Uses the pull down like the DVX.

http://www.hdforindies.com/

check it out for more detailed information.

Plus I heard the deck is going to be around $4,000.

[Barry_Green]

That contradicts what Steve Mullen wrote about the ProHD format. He said specifically that there is no pulldown, that it records a direct, discrete 24fps stream (which is what makes it incompatible with HDV). I wonder a) who's right, and b) if it does use pulldown, does that mean that existing (and forthcoming) HDV decks/cameras will be able to play the 24p ProHD tapes? That would be good news for JVC shooters who have to turn over a tape at the end of the shoot.

[xander76]

The new newsletter from Video Systems (http://videosystems.com/mag/video_nab_14/index1.html/#1)is less clear on whether there will be a pulldown or not. First, it says:


An extension of HDV, proHD supports timecode, a pair of 48kHz, 16-bit PCM audio tracks (in addition to the MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio channels) plus the 19Mbps, six-frame GOP MPEG-2 video track. (Current HDV equipment will play all but the PCM tracks that are recorded in the “subcode” portion of each track.)

And later it says:


Although the camcorder's MPEG-2 codec can't encode 1280×720 at 60Hz, when it records 24fps it creates a 720p/60 data structure on the tape, but only includes the data for 24 frames each second. (Yes, this will require an enhancement to NLE software to create 24fps video for editing.)

I've read it a couple of times and am still not clear what exactly it means.

[thisiswells]

Logic tells me that recording 24p inside of 60p at 19mbps must look awful...
But it also indicated 60p on tape... CCD's are 60p and so is tape. Looks interesting.
Wonder how long until anyone notices this...

[dvxshooter]

After speaking with the JVC reps at NAB, they indicated (and they were a bit coy) that the 24p data is a 24p stream, but uses HDV long GOP - hence the ProHD label. And the folks from Lumiere were showing their plug-in which essentially conforms the data for use in FCP.