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roei z
03-24-2011, 03:41 PM
Hi all-
my problem is:
i shot beautiful driver's POV driving in various rain conditions (evening-night)
BUT-
i may no longer have rainy days and i need to complete the actor's shots while driving in the rain
(again, these are evening-night shots so might be easier to fake).

so how can i fake some rain decently? (10-30 seconds required)
i even thought of shooting CU's in car wash tunnel... :)
the camera placement will be around here.
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any suggestions, past experience? any poor man's brilliant solution?

thanks in advance!

zaarc
03-24-2011, 08:15 PM
a watering can?

craigbowman
03-24-2011, 10:18 PM
We had to fake rain for an entire scene last June and it didn't rain the entire month. In fact there was barely a cloud in the sky the entire month and we needed to have a vehicle pulling a trailer hit a person in a driving rainstorm at night from both inside and outside. Then the person they hit is murdered with a hunting bow and a shotgun and finally set on fire. (And that scene was just the teaser at the beginning of the show before the credits.)

http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_001.jpg

http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_000.jpg

http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_003.jpg

http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_012.jpg

You'd be amazed at what can be accomplished with a couple of well placed hoses and a couple of crew standing on ladders. That last shot with the fire, the rain is two PAs with literally garden hoses. I know so many ways to fake rain for cheap right now from doing this project, its insane.

roei z
03-24-2011, 10:48 PM
thanks, impressive.
but we're talking about a moving vehicle driving on a highway ! what hose?

zaarc
03-24-2011, 11:25 PM
how about something like this? you could probaby attach a hose to it and rig a sprayer over the windshield.
http://www.watertanks.com/category/48/

roei z
03-25-2011, 03:02 AM
i think those are over my budget.. thanks.
and also, it needs to 'rain' on the back sit window and back of the car (as seen in the jpeg above).

maranfilms
03-25-2011, 05:45 AM
The only thing I can think of is a truck in front of the car, If you get a generator, and a small pump, you may be able to pull it off, fill a bunch of five gallon buckets, or the a bigger bucket the better, a 55gal drum would be best, Put the pump in the drum, plug the pump into the generator, and pump the water through a tight nozzle, or a device with lots of tiny holes to seperate the water with air. Shoot it at an upward angle. And see how it looks. Maybe add some in post to mesh with it.

roei z
03-25-2011, 07:23 AM
The only thing I can think of is a truck in front of the car, If you get a generator, and a small pump, you may be able to pull it off, fill a bunch of five gallon buckets, or the a bigger bucket the better, a 55gal drum would be best, Put the pump in the drum, plug the pump into the generator, and pump the water through a tight nozzle, or a device with lots of tiny holes to seperate the water with air. Shoot it at an upward angle. And see how it looks. Maybe add some in post to mesh with it.

huh... the only budget i'll have is a small water tank, pump and hose/sprinkler .. i have to think of some ingenious way of building it on the moving car and specific angles.

clang
03-25-2011, 01:15 PM
can the car haul a small low trailer, which could carry the tank, pump etc? Obviously this would restrict your shots, but might be worth a try.

Also, if rain is absolutely hosing down, then the outside is pretty much just a watery blur. So you may be able to fake the movement, i.e. film a stationary car with hoses pouring down on it, while crew move small lights past the car occasionally to fake the impression of exterior things moving past.

roei z
03-25-2011, 02:35 PM
i had a crazy idea:
water tank in the luggage + hose piece from it + connected to a water hand pump + another hose piece + sprinkler rigged outside...

but all this for a 30 sec shot? (and probably might not work) ;)

Gary Huff
03-25-2011, 02:38 PM
Chroma key the windows then shoot each angle with the rain that you need for the plates.

roei z
03-25-2011, 03:16 PM
hmmm, didn't think of that.
but you pose another problem now: with the shot above, the natural lighting etc.. you just put a green paper on the windows?
this lighting won't do (as far as i understand).. how can you make this night lighting into chroma material?

clang
03-25-2011, 04:46 PM
Trying to light for greenscreen when your main action is an intentionally underlit night scene - yuck, that's even harder than trying to light greenscreen for daytime scenes. Not impossible, but hard - I wouldn't recommend it unless your team has good greenscreen experience.

Is the camera locked off (i.e. doesn't move) for each shot? You may be able to do an equivalent of greenscreen by adding a mask in post-production and showing rain through the mask. But if your actor is in visual contact with the windows, that could mean a lot of frame-by-frame mask manipulation :( Talk to your visual effects person.

also talk to your camera person about depth of field - if you can get that really shallow, with only the driver in focus, then the windows and outside will be out of focus anyway and your fake rain less noticeable, or even unnecessary.

roei z
03-25-2011, 05:02 PM
also talk to your camera person about depth of field - if you can get that really shallow, with only the driver in focus, then the windows and outside will be out of focus anyway and your fake rain less noticeable, or even unnecessary.

you mean talk to myself? :)

i will try my 50mm 1.4 to see how shallow i could in this frame. this might be the only true poor man's solution.

zaarc
03-25-2011, 07:06 PM
test and learn. and 30 seconds is a lifetime compared to a good explosion which takes a lot more rigging that this. don't forget the importance of the moment to your narrative.

craigbowman
03-25-2011, 08:19 PM
thanks, impressive.
but we're talking about a moving vehicle driving on a highway ! what hose?

I've got all kinds of shots from in the vehicle at various angles, but a lot of the source material is over at our production facility. This is just some stuff I had kicking around.




http://techyoumedia.com/car_rain_web/car_rain_004.jpg

http://techyoumedia.com/car_rain_web/car_rain_001.jpg

We had cars and all kinds of things go by including light standards etc. which accentuated the "rain?" as they helped occassionally backlight the rain.

maranfilms
03-25-2011, 08:26 PM
Thats nice looking stuff craig. On the op's issue, Somtimes you have to come to the conclusion that it's just not doable at low budgets. I have gone through many scenes that I would have loved to shoot in past films, But budget restrictions made un able to work. Is there any way you can rewrite the scene to work with the resources you have? Sometimes it's the only option.

craigbowman
03-25-2011, 08:40 PM
We actually never spent a cent for any of the rain gear. Everything we did was dreamed up over a coffee break the day before and it was all hey let's try this 'cause it should work. Even dreaming up lights passing by was a last second ad lib.

djbobbyrhodes
03-25-2011, 09:26 PM
You could fake the driving part. Have people move past the car with two flash lights in the opposite direction occasionally. Or red lights for simulated tail lights. Hit the car with a hose or two.

roei z
03-26-2011, 01:54 AM
Thanks guys for all the ideas :)

roei z
04-05-2011, 03:03 PM
huh, guess what?
we had a 1 minute shower tonight, after a month of 'summer',
that by a stroke of crazy luck i managed to capture WITH the talent driving!
a good 30 seconds money shot :)
all done.

Gary Huff
04-05-2011, 03:18 PM
Sometimes, it all just comes down to luck.

robmneilson
04-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Love when the weather conspires to actually help you now and again.

I can't wait for an excuse to do the poor mans rain technique. That footage from an uncompleted film Welles shot (in the F is for Fake extras) is amazing, and he did it all in his driveway with a hose and moving lights around in the background!

roei z
04-07-2011, 12:40 PM
did i miss a link for that footage somewhere?

James Thayer
07-10-2011, 07:16 PM
I've got all kinds of shots from in the vehicle at various angles, but a lot of the source material is over at our production facility. This is just some stuff I had kicking around.




http://techyoumedia.com/car_rain_web/car_rain_004.jpg

http://techyoumedia.com/car_rain_web/car_rain_001.jpg

We had cars and all kinds of things go by including light standards etc. which accentuated the "rain?" as they helped occassionally backlight the rain.

When you used the hoses, how did you actually get water to them? Were they coming off of houses? Or did you use barrels of water with water pumps?

craigbowman
07-10-2011, 07:47 PM
When you used the hoses, how did you actually get water to them? Were they coming off of houses? Or did you use barrels of water with water pumps?

We shot the rain sequence at three separate locations on three different days and edited everything together to make it appear seamless. For the inside the truck scene you posted here we had a PA on a step ladder with a garden hose. As in turn on the tap sticking out of the house and press the lever on the hose while the truck sat in the director's driveway at home. Other PAs went by the truck at a distance to look like cars and lights going by distant and close.

The next two grabs show what was done with a pump and hose from a water truck we borrowed that had a pump. We pointed the hose in the air and let the water come down on the leaves of branches hanging over the road to make it look like a downpour.

http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_015.jpg


http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_003.jpg




For the frame grab below with fire we shot it in someone's back yard and had two PAs that time with garden hoses shooting up in the air and arcing down to fake rain. http://techyoumedia.com/lafontaineonelightraingallery/resources/images/medium/rain_onelight_012.jpg

James Thayer
07-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Wow, that's phenomenal. Did you happen to know someone with a water truck or did you rent one?

DadinWestchester
07-25-2011, 05:35 PM
In the future maybe a rain tower...
http://www.jmfx.net/products/107

craigbowman
07-30-2011, 10:06 AM
In the future maybe a rain tower...
http://www.jmfx.net/products/107

I'm not even sure one of those would have actually worked better for us or not. As it was, we had use of the water truck for only part of an evening between 6 and 8 pm. Everything was kind of thought up over a coffee when we found out someone who wanted to help out was able to loan us the water truck and make it available for a few hours at the end of their regular shift and we just went along with the flow (no pun intended). The scene it was for was the opening teaser for the tv pilot we were doing. While tv pilot might sound all fancy, the writer/director/executive producer of this project was funding things on his own nickel as it was a spec pilot. The whole project was shot evenings and weekends a year ago June so actors and others with regular day jobs would not be inconvenienced.

Here is a youtube of that opening teaser:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQeUCAJ6BSg&NR=1

mndbnks
08-06-2011, 12:34 AM
http://www.indymogul.com/episode/BFX_20070806
http://www.indymogul.com/post/1623/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezeldeRdkD8

Saharanturtle
08-28-2011, 07:34 PM
I was thinking it'd be possible to fake the driving like dj said. Have someone infront(or behind)the car push it up and down from the sides to simulate going over bumps in the street. That like others said have actors carrying flash lights taped on a broom walk by or walk off infront of the car with red flash lights

Should work imo

emEMMAma
10-23-2011, 04:08 PM
Just move up to Vancouver, we can't get it to stop raining here! Otherwise, I completely agree with saharaturtle, I've done it before and it can look quite convincing, get some tungsten flashlights as well as some red to look like passing taillights