View Full Version : a refreshing change of topic
jrmiller_entertainment
10-29-2010, 08:22 AM
put aside the 4.2.0 vs. 4.2.2, 8-bit vs. 10-bit, avchd vs. dvcproHD, 1/3" vs 4/3" blah blah blah technical crap and enjoy this short that proves that a good STORY and the ability to tell it is still the most important parts of filmmaking.
http://gizmodo.com/5676438/this-action+filled-star+packed-short-film-was-shot-on-a-nokia-n8
swanny
10-29-2010, 08:33 AM
That is awesome!! You are right, it's all story and who is behind the camera!
ZazaCast
10-29-2010, 08:51 AM
...or camera phone!
dop16mm
10-29-2010, 08:54 AM
I'd shoot that camera too, if they paid for the film, which you know must be the case. Nobody puts up that much production and then says hey lets shoot it on my phone just because we can.
Now I'm all for shoot with what you've got. I have a couple of HV20's that serve me well and won't be upgrading until I get a project that will pay for the AF100.
I also get sick of the talk about needing this camera or that to be the miracle cure that takes indie film to the next level. Hollywood is always two steps ahead at least, and infinitely further when you consider money. Look back to the French New Wave, that really launched indie cinema. Big Studio films were already cinemascope technicolor, and these were hand-held black and white 16mm. Now black and white is probably out, but HDV will hold up to a film out, and telling a good story does not require shallow depth of field, it is a tool but not required.
The tools available to no budget filmmakers is unprecidented in history, but where are all the great films? I did my guerilla films when the tools were really not ready, and I hope to muster the energy to try again before it's too late. If I don't I'll teach what I know to my kids, and if they want to carry the dream there will be no limits.
groveChuck
10-29-2010, 08:54 AM
PL mount? :grin: :grin: :grin:
Coco Bermudez
10-29-2010, 09:15 AM
That sh*t better have 4:2:2 MOFO's!!!
http://moviegroovy.com/Moviegroovyphonecam.jpg
Zacatac
10-29-2010, 09:21 AM
I hear it has HD-SDI out
David Saraceno
10-29-2010, 09:32 AM
Absolutely wonderful editing.
Homunculus
10-29-2010, 10:55 AM
why does the aspect ratio seem to be anamorphic. how can they shoot anamorphic on a camera phone
here is the link to the behind the scene video on making it
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=nokiauk&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_717512#p/u/1/_MBAhm3JqSI
swanny
10-29-2010, 11:23 AM
it's funny to see the big steadicam for a smartphone
Steve Kahn
10-29-2010, 11:28 AM
I'd shoot that camera too, if they paid for the film, which you know must be the case. Nobody puts up that much production and then says hey lets shoot it on my phone just because we can.
That is exactly true.
There was one reason and one reason only that an episode of House was shot on a 5D moire 2 and it had nothing to do with the director wanting to experiment with the cam.
Terry_Lasater
10-29-2010, 02:38 PM
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?227347
f64manray
10-29-2010, 02:54 PM
That is exactly true.
There was one reason and one reason only that an episode of House was shot on a 5D moire 2 and it had nothing to do with the director wanting to experiment with the cam.
And what reason would that be? ...other than it looked frick'in fantastic.
Homunculus
10-29-2010, 03:54 PM
And what reason would that be? ...other than it looked frick'in fantastic.
the reason is that the entire episode is shot in tiny crevices and the director chose the camera specifically cus it was small enough to fit in there and their normal cameras weren't, this is pretty well known fact
Steve Kahn
10-29-2010, 06:24 PM
the reason is that the entire episode is shot in tiny crevices and the director chose the camera specifically cus it was small enough to fit in there and their normal cameras weren't, this is pretty well known fact
No. Same reason they shot this thing with a cell phone.
To sell a lot of 5D moire 2s.
Homunculus
10-29-2010, 06:44 PM
No. Same reason they shot this thing with a cell phone.
To sell a lot of 5D moire 2s.
who's "they" though? fox 5 (or whatever channel does House...) isn't affiliated with Canon to my knowledge. Plus they sure as heck didn't really broadcast the knowledge that it was shot on a Moire II that loudly which you would think they would have done if they were somehow in cahoots with Canon.
Either way who cares, AF100 is about to put the lid on the Moire II once and for all. Sick of hearing about that jello having aliased mess
Julienmassie
10-29-2010, 09:04 PM
thats overkill color correction
Multi-Media
10-29-2010, 10:17 PM
The reason for shooting on the smartphone was #1 in the production sequence... they wanted to get hype for the Smartphone and... so they did. Would "just another short" have garnered the attention if not for this "ziggy"? That was the point of the exercise... I really enjoyed it... well acted, directed, and edited. It makes the point that not once was I getting critical on the tech quality issues. I was in the story... I was audience...
f64manray
10-30-2010, 11:37 AM
No. Same reason they shot this thing with a cell phone.
To sell a lot of 5D moire 2s.
DP Gale Tattersall and Director Greg Yataines have explained why they used the 5DII and selling more of them for Canon wasn't even on the list. Actually, using them caused friction between Fox and their partner, Panasonic. Using the 5DII actually caused corporate problems in that regard. Tattersall introduced Yataines to the 5DII after he used it on some commercial spots, and after shooting some test scenes in conjuction with film during some previous episodes, they both concurred the end result was indistinguishable from film and that along with the extreme shallow depth of field as well as portability which saved them big bucks in their shooting schedule is why they used it. If your saying that's not the reason, it would seem that you're calling them liars.
The only drawback according to them is that pulling focus was hell for the AC's.
Homunculus
10-30-2010, 11:50 AM
DP Gale Tattersall and Director Greg Yataines have explained why they used the 5DII and selling more of them for Canon wasn't even on the list. Actually, using them caused friction between Fox and their partner, Panasonic. Using the 5DII actually caused corporate problems in that regard. Tattersall introduced Yataines to the 5DII after he used it on some commercial spots, and after shooting some test scenes in conjuction with film during some previous episodes, they both concurred the end result was indistinguishable from film and that along with the extreme shallow depth of field as well as portability which saved them big bucks in their shooting schedule is why they used it. If your saying that's not the reason, it would seem that you're calling them liars.
The only drawback according to them is that pulling focus was hell for the AC's.
yes now explain why Ron Howard used a Moire II on the Presidential Skit? That I have no answer for
Taylor Rudd
10-30-2010, 12:06 PM
yes now explain why Ron Howard used a Moire II on the Presidential Skit? That I have no answer for
I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy theories that are more interesting than the truth. I hear that making wild accusations helps time go by faster, too.
I imagine it could be fun to take a consumer product and put it through professional paces. I don't think that it should, or will, become the norm, but it seems to be a fun effort. Occasionally :)
Homunculus
10-30-2010, 12:18 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy theories that are more interesting than the truth. I hear that making wild accusations helps time go by faster, too.
I imagine it could be fun to take a consumer product and put it through professional paces. I don't think that it should, or will, become the norm, but it seems to be a fun effort. Occasionally :)
that's sort of why i figured he did it. which is cool of him. I wish i knew for definite though since that particular short did NOT have the intrinsic constraints as House did that caused them to use the 5d (small spaces etc)
jrmiller_entertainment
10-31-2010, 04:11 PM
that's sort of why i figured he did it. which is cool of him. I wish i knew for definite though since that particular short did NOT have the intrinsic constraints as House did that caused them to use the 5d (small spaces etc)
Budget? Or just for the hell of it. The point of this thread was to point out that it doesn't matter what you shoot with, if the story's good people will watch. That's never going to change.
Homunculus
10-31-2010, 08:09 PM
Budget? Or just for the hell of it. The point of this thread was to point out that it doesn't matter what you shoot with, if the story's good people will watch. That's never going to change.
i knwo for a fact it can't be budget. because if you saw the behind the scenes of the short which is available online, you'll see that they used like tens of thousand dollar jibs and other insane equipment for creative shots attached to the 5dmkii, equipment that costs 30 times more than the camera itself. The jib alone that they used is probably worth more than an Alexa
jrmiller_entertainment
11-02-2010, 07:06 AM
i knwo for a fact it can't be budget. because if you saw the behind the scenes of the short which is available online, you'll see that they used like tens of thousand dollar jibs and other insane equipment for creative shots attached to the 5dmkii, equipment that costs 30 times more than the camera itself. The jib alone that they used is probably worth more than an Alexa sure by why in the world would they buy that stuff? It's just bad business to buy all the equipment for 1 production. Renting seems to get a bad rep in these forums, maybe because people like to say they "own" all these cool toys. Any major production rents equipment. Who knows though, maybe Ron Howard was just bored.