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Elvis
02-29-2004, 10:33 PM
Yeah it was . Just saw it tonight! It was like a really bad chick movie. What are they thinking? The only good actress was the hooker! I just don't get it! No offence meant to our chick filmmakers!:P
Zoomforce
02-29-2004, 10:49 PM
I liked it.. the cinematography at least.
Elvis
02-29-2004, 10:59 PM
I agree on that! But that does not bring a best screenplay and the nominations. IMHO :-X
J.R. Hudson
02-29-2004, 11:00 PM
I have not seen it but what I like about the acclaim (based on what I know) is that it is such a small movie, small budget, small cast, small, small, small and a film like this?
Dare I say it?
A Pani DVX100 would accomodate it well. What I mean is, it is so far from the typical Academy/Hollywood film and look what it did! Reminds me that I don't need CGI Trolls, 18th Century Sailing ships, full scale Civil War re-enactments or a huge Production Design budget and a race horse.
It reminds me that sometimes, all you need is a story and a vision.
jumar
03-01-2004, 01:26 AM
She considered shooting it on video, but her father gave her the advice that she might as well shoot film while she can. I believe that snippet is from the Filmmaker issue with her (Coppola) on the cover.
I really liked the look of it, and I think it's a very cinematic movie... it has a good theatre presence. I also loved it storywise. It was reaffirming to me that you can still get by without a million cuts per minute.
I won't go into my own review of the movie - in a nutshell I found it very enjoyable - but I did notice way too many boom microphones throughout the film. They were everywhere! Jump around from scene to scene on the DVD, you'll see what I mean. I spotted them in the theater, and although I don't have the DVD, I'm curious to see if they somehow fixed this for the DVD release.
combatJJ
03-01-2004, 04:41 AM
I really enjoyed that movie. I appreciate the way it left lots of things unsaid.
Neil Rowe
03-01-2004, 07:14 AM
.. it was entertaining, but really very pointless in the end. i didnt really care in the end.. nothing happend.. nothing changed... nothing went anywhere.. and i never understood their attraction in the first place.. it seemed unreasonable.. but such is life i guess. anyway despite all this, i though it was good.
PurposeDriven
03-01-2004, 08:51 AM
Daughter is just playing off of dad's name and talent. Her father practically carried her over the finish line being a Exec. Producer and who knows what else. I think the film was O.K. just a bad casting job, the two had little chemistry. Murray, good man, good actor. Look at us, were bitching about films ;D All in All, not a bad start for her, we'll be seeing more of her (and her daddy along side) soon I'm sure.
vovka
03-01-2004, 04:32 PM
Daughter is just playing off of dad's name and talent.
Totaly agree, if it has been done by some one "no name", it will be flap hard. Film fill to long, most sience is strached for time, boring, camera setings and positioning simple. It has filling of student test movie.
J.R. Hudson
03-01-2004, 05:48 PM
I can see that being a part of it as Hollywodd can be he Nepostism machine, but it wasn't too long ago that the girl was lambasted by evryone and their mother for her role in The Godfather 3.
My point being, she isn't automatically loved.
Natasha_Levitan
03-01-2004, 06:01 PM
Chick factor aside, I thought it would have made a good *short*. All that the film could say should have been done within the 20 minutes.
It was too long and drawn out for a feature. God know I love Bill Murray but I think his talents in this film went unutilized.
PurposeDriven
03-01-2004, 07:56 PM
I say we give her this one as a gimme and wait to see how her next one is.
Who wants to place bets that daddy is going to be Exec. Producer? ;D
J.R. Hudson
03-01-2004, 08:02 PM
I wish my daddy could EP.
Elvis
03-01-2004, 08:53 PM
Just ask her cuz Nic Cage! 8)
Actually, what do you all think of an earlier effort from Sophia Coppola, The Virgin Suicides starring Kristen Dunst among others?
May want to check that one out too if you've only seen Lost in Translation and want to get a better feel of what she is capable/incapable of.
J.R. Hudson
03-01-2004, 11:09 PM
Oh yeah! Good call Oz!
PurposeDriven
03-02-2004, 01:35 AM
Yes yes... good good. She did well with that.
sfogden
03-02-2004, 06:52 AM
Don't know much about 'critical analysis' and what's supposed to be good and bad, but when I saw 'Lost', it was like a breath of fresh air for me. A pleasant story at an easy pace that had me leaving the theater pleased that I went to the movies that night. Don't get that very often.
Michael_Lieberman
03-02-2004, 03:36 PM
I loved "Lost in Translation," a studio movie that felt like a home movie. It's quite intimate and indeed quiet, but would one prefer loudness for the sake of distraction (probably from lack of intelligence)? Coppola's influences are European and Asian (her Oscar speech named one American film influence), which explains her use of long takes and a really simple premise.
Elephant was the other favorite American film of last year, IMO. The sound mix alone is better than most films these days.
Mike_Donis
03-06-2004, 09:49 PM
I loved it too, Michael.
I'm one to HATE 'chick flics', but honestly, I really enjoyed myself. *It was a great look at mediocre lives...basically, it showed how you CANT just make everything okay when your life is going to shits. It had awesome performances, and some nice cinematography. *I can't believe so many people here didn't like it..
Oh well, to each his own! *:)
kyle_doris
03-07-2004, 12:38 AM
.. it was entertaining, but really very pointless in the end. i didnt really care in the end.. nothing happend.. nothing changed... nothing went anywhere.. and i never understood their attraction in the first place.. it seemed unreasonable.. but such is life i guess. anyway despite all this, i though it was good.
i thought it's ending was very meaningful. i was really impressed with how it became more about friendship and guidence then scandal.
Daughter is just playing off of dad's name and talent. Her father practically carried her over the finish line being a Exec. Producer and who knows what else. I think the film was O.K. just a bad casting job, the two had little chemistry. Murray, good man, good actor. Look at us, were bitching about films *;D All in All, not a bad start for her, we'll be seeing more of her (and her daddy along side) soon I'm sure.
no doubt she's had help, but that's the nature of 'family business'. it happens everywhere. to say she is just playing off his name and talent i disagree. i'm not sure what makes her daddy SOOO talented. but then again i have odd tastes in movies and i've never been floored with his work like alot of other people, so who knows. *shrug*
oh yea, and i thought this was better then her first two movies.
J.R. Hudson
03-07-2004, 12:52 AM
:o
Gasp! Cough! Gag!
What about:
The Godfather 1 and 2 ?!
Dracula ?!
The Black Stallion ?!
The Outsiders ?!
Apocalypse Now ?!
The Conversation ?!
"Not sure what makes him soooooooo talented ?!"
Gasp! Cough! Gasp again!
kyle_doris
03-07-2004, 01:08 AM
like i said, i've never been floored with his work.
that dracula though was a-laugh-a-minute. hehe. prolly been 10 years since i saw that one, but i do remember it being awful, but in a funny way.
godfather i'm sure is considered by alot of people to be insanely good or somethin'. it often is competing with Citizen Kane in the "Best Movie Ever" polls (those types of polls are redic... how could something so subjective be... nevermind). In any case, i've been never been personally able to put the movie on the same level with CK *shrug*. but that's just me.
Apoc Now is an interesting peice of cinema, i respect that movie actually alot. out of all his pictures i prolly have the most respect for it. I'm not sure if i could say i enjoy watching it however. Some other movies that i love i have the same type of respect for (Slam, Salesman, stuff by Aronofsky, North by Northwest, etc.) the only difference is, i really enjoy watching them.
so it's just odd with me and coppola, his movies are fine and i understand why people enjoy them, but they just are not my thing, i'm not really into his style usually.
J.R. Hudson
03-07-2004, 11:18 AM
I can dig it. I feel the same about Kubrick. I didn't reach a true appreciation for Coppolla and The Godafather films until I was older.
David Jimerson
03-07-2004, 08:06 PM
stuff by Aronofsky, . . .) the only difference is, i really enjoy watching them.
I find it hard to imagine actually enjoying watching "Requiem for a Dream." :o It's self-imposed misery from beginning to end.
David Jimerson
03-07-2004, 08:18 PM
As for "Lost in Translation," I just watched it tonight. I don't see it as a "chick flick" at all.
I liked it. I don't think it's genius, and it moved kinda slowly, but it did keep me interested until the end.
kyle_doris
03-08-2004, 01:12 PM
Requiem was interesting in my opinion, it was about an hour too long. i know some people who enjoyed it, i'm not sure if i can say i enjoyed it from begining to end, but i really respect him as a director.
kyle_doris
03-08-2004, 01:42 PM
John, i feel you with Kubrick too, another superstar director that i fail to really see his genious over the whole catalog of his work. i definately see some very strong things in some of it (2001, Strangelove, and yes, i actually liked EWS), but then there are some of his films that, to me, just don't do it (Shining, Barry Lyndon, Clockwork, etc.)
but like copolla, i do respect him and his work. i guess what i'm trying to say is i don't put people like these guys in the catagory was people i'd say are just making films as money makers. you can tell they actually really deeply care about what they are doing, and i respect that.
*disclaimer* my taste in movies is very odd, so don't be offended
J.R. Hudson
03-08-2004, 02:14 PM
:D
justinsullivan
03-10-2004, 07:04 PM
First of all, I liked the film. However, I later found out that it was all about her. I can't stand her. Giavonni R. is playing the role of Spike Jones. I guess for me if I can't respect someone as a person it is a little harder to respect their hard work. Though again, i did like the film.
As for best screenplay, that was straight up bull. Bill Murray made most of that stuff up. Anyway, there is a documentary on the DVD about the making of. Spike Jones did it. I recomend you check it out.
kyle_doris
03-10-2004, 09:25 PM
spike > sofia
no doubt. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he didn't hold a weighty hand over this production... i too saw the DVD behind-the-scenes... he didn't seem to be controling the whole shoot.
but if he did, i could see it.
spike owns me.
J.R. Hudson
03-10-2004, 09:39 PM
Im digging Spike. Is his DVD worth it?
justinsullivan
03-11-2004, 12:18 PM
The Directors cut? His is def worth it. Michel Gondry as well as Christopher Cunningham's are both worth the money.
Not sure if that's what you were talking about, however, still worth it.
J.R. Hudson
03-11-2004, 01:31 PM
lol
I meant if you knew or had the SPike Jones MV collectoin with B Sides and lil Docs?
kyle_doris
03-11-2004, 03:30 PM
i have the whole Directors Series Collection. Gondry is my favorite by far, Gondry i think is one of the most fascinating progressive filmmakers of the last decade, video such as Lucas with the Lid Off and shit are amazing.
the whole series rocks and it's worth having in a DVD collection, in my opinion. Spike is awesome, Cunningham has some really great moments.
get it! get it! get it! all 3 on amazon for like 35 bucks
justinsullivan
03-11-2004, 05:58 PM
Yeah that's what I was talking about. ;D
All three are great. I can't recall which who it was but there is a music video that was mostly fimed under water. Yowzas! That was cool.
Spike has a mini doc about some kids that is also worth the $15 the dvd costs alone.
I started watching it 2 nights ago... I fell asleep if that tells you anything. Maybe I'll try again sometime...
Neil Rowe
03-22-2004, 08:21 AM
..i somehow made it through it when i watched it one night starting it at 10:30 . it was slow, but i kept waiting for somthing to actually happen. in the end i thought it was pointless, as nothing changed at all. it was like i just spent an hour somthing watching someone mow thier lawn, and go inside and sit down to watch tv. i thought it was good in the sense that it was realistic about what peoples real lives are like, but i didnt get the whoe relationship thng between them, and the attraction between them was not well grounded at all. it was too much of a stretch for me. but in the end, i think it was worth watching just in the sense of watching another independent film , and learning from it.
Guest
03-29-2004, 12:51 AM
it had to be an Oscar joke. If I knew all I had to do was write a story about some guy sitting in a bar and I would win for best screenplay well hell!!!! See you all at the Oscar next year :-)
And what about Whale Rider My GOD another Oscar Joke...the child was not even close to the big league actress. Hell the young girl in the film 'Thirteen' was much better.
I think Oscar was having a problem this year of finding any good films.
PurposeDriven
03-29-2004, 01:07 AM
I think Oscar was having a problem this year of finding any good films.
Ummm.... LOTR - The Return Of The King, Mystic River, Cold Mountain wasn't horrible. Pirates was sweet, and thought that it deserved some recognition.
My thoughts are don't bash it till you try it. Sure, Lost was only popular because of Sophia's Daddy. But, it wasn't horrible writing. It was amusing sometimes.
David Jimerson
03-29-2004, 09:43 AM
I've lived it. I get the story. Made sense to me.
It *was* the epitome of an "independent" film, though, wasn't it? A lot of talking and not many sets.
Elvis
03-29-2004, 05:50 PM
I would say a "wannabe" inde! Give me 500.000 and Bill plus the DVX. Bam a true small inde! What you have here is someone trying to copy a style that comes from lack of funding. I hear she was going to shoot it on DV and her father said to go with film will she still has the chance. 8)