WHAT YOU THINK THE HDX-P200 SHOULD LOOK LIKE???

[B._Summers]

What would everyone like to "see" ,as far as aesthetics (sp?), when the new camera arrives???

[Flintstone]

It's kinda pointless, as the look is most likely set in stone right now. *But since we are all dreaming here, so let's give it a try: it would be a mix of the DVX, the Z1, and the XL2. *That is if it's not a shoulder mount unit. *LCD placement like the Z1, convenience and functionality of DVX, and quazi shoulder-mountable (as an option) and with lens like the XL2. *There are variations to that theme, but I don't want to be here all night.

[lebroz]

Keeping costs low, same carbon copy of dvx100/dvx100a

Double benefit of lens/accecories reusable and r&d cost for pana

Ideal, no tape hdx200a with removeable dock for 3.5 inch sata hard drive & orange color (I will make this happen when i work for pana)

Eventually i will be working close with Pana JVC & Matsushita to bring new and exciting products to you... stay tuned

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[Isaac_Brody]

???

[shAi]

should be definitely small, no shoulder mount.

[Neil Rowe]

im pretty sure that its been stated it will be a palmcorder style camera so i think were safe on that one.

[joachim]

I agree that the HDX should have a look similar to the DVX as it is both very professionally looking but still doesn't scream "shooting permit"

[bgundu]

early prototype? Ha Ha Ha.....

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21165&item=3875299 564&rd=1

[Jan_Crittenden]

early prototype? Ha Ha Ha.....

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21165&item=3875299 564&rd=1


Ha, even funnier, that isn't a WV-D5000, I think the little brother was the 3260 but the 5000 was all black. *Single chip, about 400 lines of res, and circa 1986. *The year I started with Pana. Even funnier/sad, that looks like a Sony power supply and the connector they show there is not the connector to connect to this camera. Buyer beware on eBay.

Best,

Jan

[kai]

Eventually i will be working close with Pana JVC & Matsushita to bring new and exciting products to you... stay tuned

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ummm.... ???

[bilgami]

i wouldnt mind a shoulder cam like the xl2 shoulder cams are not as bulky as they once was. but it should look like the 100a but maybe with 2-3 pounds added to it. i dont mind shooting on tape i just wish the minidv would get bigger in size like the full sized 120 min mq tapes. i hope the color of the cam stays the same black and dark gray.

[Tzedekh]

Jan's the only one here who knows, and all she's said is that the balsa mockups aren't the final design. But unless there are a tape drive and half-inch CCDs (necessitating a somewhat bigger lens), I would guess the camera is about the size of the balsa cams. They actually had a pretty efficient form factor, given that the zoom lens is the only component on a solid state camera with any real moving parts.

[John_Q]

I would like it to take as many design cues as possible from the Z1U

from the high quality LCD to its placement on the top front end of the camera. The iris knob. The solid feel, the tape load on the smart side of the camera (left side)

Take those cues, along with the basic look of the Z1 and go a step further with even better ergonomics.

None of this will happen, but one can always hope.

[bgundu]

I have a strong suspicion that the Balsa mock-ups will not be too different in design for new HDX. As much as we think it should be bigger because it will look more professional, I think the smaller size in more situations will be more practical. Makes run-and-gun for filmmaking and journalism, that much easier.

[Jan_Crittenden]

I have a strong suspicion that the Balsa mock-ups will not be too different in design for new HDX.


Bob,

So inspite of all of the number of times I have said that the mockups that we have seen are nothing like the delivering camera, you think that you have the ability to foretell and state for a fact that this is what it will look like.
Why? I have said this is not what it will look like, I have seen the real mock up. I can only say that I believe you won't be disappointed.

I know it is frustrating that we can't show it to you, that we can't talk about all the cool stuff that it does, but I cannot. We can talk about workflow, we can talk about DVPROHD, we can talk about how to work with P2 as a medialess concept.

Don't mean to sound harsh but please folks managing the wrong information is taking more time than what should be happening here and that is managing the right information.

Lets' talk about workflow.

Okay?

Jan

[bgundu]

Don't mean to sound harsh but please folks managing the wrong information is taking more time than what should be happening here and that is managing the right information.



Jan,

I wasn't trying to start any bad rumors or anything. I was guessing like everyone else. I was mearly stating that everyone seems to be freaking out that it will look like the mock-ups. I personally think it should only be as large as it needs to be. having shot a film on the DVX in India was fairly smooth because of the small form factor. No I don't have any info on what the new camera will look like. I merely said "suspect". I do appreciate the amount of info that you have already provided.

I look forward to what Panasonic has to offer regardless of the form factor,

Bob

[Barry_Green]

Jan's made it pretty clear that this particular camera won't be the balsa wood mockup. However, if we were to read between the lines, which is what we're all desperately trying to do (since nobody will give us any actual lines to read!) ;), would it be unreasonable to think that Panasonic may someday produce a tiny palmcorder like Bob's alluding to?

Sony, after all, brought out the DVCAM lineup, and they introduced the (I believe it was called) PD1 as the second DVCAM camcorder. It was a tiny cigarette-pack-sized camera, but recording to the DVCAM format, and hey, there was certainly a use for it. Now, I guess they don't have any comparable camera in the lineup anymore, but I can see why a smaller camera would be desirable, and P2 would give you the option of making a pretty small camera (although, those P2 cards look like they're probably about as big as a DV tape, so maybe a multiple-P2-card camera might not be able to be much smaller).

I too apologize if I've been giving out wrong information. It's tough not to speculate, when the only info we've been given is absolutely tantalizing, and then is backed up with statements like "it'll blow HDV away" or "you will not be disappointed" or whatever!

[Flintstone]

I think it's the PD100, and now the newest model is thePDX10. Or are you talking about something smaller?

[Barry_Green]

Much smaller. It was, I think, a DVCAM version of the DCR-PC7. It was about the size of a pack of cigarettes or a small paperback book, in a similar form factor.

[Jan_Crittenden]

I wasn't trying to start any bad rumors or anything. I was guessing like everyone else. I
I look forward to what Panasonic has to offer regardless of the form factor,


No worries Bob. And no hard feelings I hope. Just have faith, it will be very nice.

Jan

[Flintstone]

Jan, are you allowed to confirm if the size is smaller or larger then the DVX?

[Gary_McClurg]

Also can you confirm if our matte boxes, follow focus will also work with the camera?

Thanks, Jan

[astroanalyst]

The topic of this thread is 'what you think the HDX-P200 SHOULD look like'....
If I had my way, I'd like to have a shoulder mount that is lightweight and sleek in design. It's hard for me to show up a job and justify a high price with my DVX100. I put a mattebox on it just to make it look bigger!

I'd spend the $10,000 if it performed better than the dvx and looked in design like a small ikegami or a sony shoulder mount. If it looks to 'cheesy' than I'll pass... I'll end up spending an additional 5 or 10 grand on something bigger.

[astroanalyst]

my email is paul@kameon.com

[Neil Rowe]

Jan,

concerning workflow.. do you know if Adobe has made any plans to support DVCPRO-HD naitively yet in Premiere Pro instead of having to go through one of their pretty costly proprietary codec boxed HD solutions. *Has panasonic tried to work with them at all to gain support for this? im a PPRO -Adobe integrated workflow guy and would love to keep it that way. I know the Premiere archetecture supports HD. its probably just a matter of when they want to give it to us.

..oh yeah, i think it should look like the DVX with a better 16:9 lense hood.

[Jan_Crittenden]

Hi Neil,

You should contact Adobe and let them know this is where you want to go as at this point, I have not heard that they even are looking to support DVCPRO50 natively.

They are a partner for DVCPRO25, but nothing bigger.

Best,

Jan

[Neil Rowe]

good to know. ..thanks Jan.

[Shaw]

Crap.. I may be switching over to a Mac sooner than expected then...

[Flintstone]

Crap.. I may be switching over to a Mac sooner than expected then...
Hehehe! :-) Did that last week. I called Adobe to transfer my After Effects, PhotoShop and GoLive liceses today. I am however waiting for FCP 5. I'm trying to bum an eval version in the meantime. ;D

[Newbie4sure]

Here is what i think it should (NO MUST) look like!

http://www.zoomforce.com/dvxuser/photos/images/60022014.jpg

[reservoir]

Stop the "F' in' presses!! Eureka!! It's beautiful. Although...it has so much to offer....yet NO GPS or Flux Capacitor. I hope this isn't the final design!!

[Newbie4sure]

the radio transmitter acts as a gps

[Monglane]

Personally, I wouldn't object to the new camera being about the size of the XL2, and shoulder-mount.

More real estate on the camera body means more space to place switches and controls, so you don't have to dive deep into menus to adjust the settings. Shoulder mount is also much more stable than hand-held when you have no other option but to hold the camera. And finally, it is true that the DXV100 doesn't quite achieve the "professional" look with which the XL2 "reassures" some people whose opinion matters, however "uneducated" they may be technically... *We* know better, but we don't write our own paychecks ! ::)

[Flintstone]

My sentiments exactly!

[kai]

I'm thinking something like this: :P
http://www.kylestauffer.com/dvx/hdx.jpg

[Flintstone]

Awesome! * :o

How long did that take you to do?

[kai]

ha judging by the sloppiness, not long ;)

[Monglane]

Kai, this beast truly looks monstrously awesome !! It is so splendidly ugly I'd sell my soul right away to buy one !! ;D ;D ;D

[Jaime Valles]

DROOL :D

[kai]

Man I really hope the real thing isn't that ugly ha

[Gary_McClurg]

:'(Thanks, now when the real camera comes I'll be disappointed because I like yours. ;D

[Haakon]

Ditto... Kai's mockup is heavenly!