FX1 & Z1 Features Chart

[Jonathan]

Just found this:


http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sonyhdrfx1/compare.php

[Policar]

$2,300 for a some XLR inputs. Ridiculous.

[Guest]

It is more than just XLR audio. For the extra you get 2 camcorder in 1. You have NTSC and PAL. You get 24p , it isn't so important to me. You have DVCam. Time code. Audio control. HD out to iLink in realtime!

[David Jimerson]

Cineframe 24 is NOT 24p.

[chi_red]

It is more than just XLR audio. For the extra you get 2 camcorder in 1. You have NTSC and PAL. You get 24p , it isn't so important to me. You have DVCam. Time code. Audio control. HD out to iLink in realtime!

what 24P?
there is no true 24P for Z1.

[Guest]

What ever. I don't need 24p. And we don't know how the final Pro is going to be. But you get 2 cams in 1. It's something I need.

[Barry_Green]

The extra features look nice, but certainly not $2300 worth! For the most part they're correcting deficiencies in the FX1 -- things that we already have in the DVX, and would come to expect in the competition, but that Sony deliberately left out (such as settable timecode, independently-controllable audio levels for each channel, XLR inputs, etc). The only "new" feature seems to be the 50i/60i switchable aspect.

Since the FX1 is $3700, I sure hope the Z1 clocks in at under $5000. At $6000 or $7000 it looks like an unjustified price increase, but... hey, when the DVX100A was first bandied about, people speculated that it would be priced $1000 higher than the DVX100, and in reality it came out at $200 higher. Let's hope Sony follows a similar path and prices the Z1 at $4500 or so. That would justify the additional features, as compared to the price of the FX1.

[Guest]

There is a discution on dvinfo.net. Those who get the FX1 means the camcorder has uncompressed component out.

The camcorder has component out but if it is uncompressed taking directly from the sensor is something new. It can open new possiblities to get higher quality.

[Jonathan]

Having heard from a new FX1 owner, if you want/need 24p/25p progressive scan then this (and the Z1) is not the camera for you. The 25p effect mode is very poor and is unlikely to be different in the Z1 as both have interlace only Hyper HAD chips. However the cinegamma curve does give a very nice filmic look if that is enough. Also Miranda are bringing out a HDV firewire to HDSI converter box resulting in a very flexible product.

So it appears we may have to wait and see what Canon/JVC have up their sleeves for their HDV models.

[chi_red]

according to the chart,
FX1 has 2 sec. delay when HD out to iLink....
can this be a problem?

[TimurCivan]

so cineframe 24 is like.... a boot legged 24P right. is it liek a strange 24i/slowershutter/ hybrid?

[J.R. Hudson]

What ever. I don't need 24p.

And I don't need a hot wife but it makes waking up in the morning easier.

[Guest]

Are you talking about a real hot wife or just an imitation? ;D

[J.R. Hudson]

Lets just say my wife is 24p and NOT Cineframe 24. :D

[scharky]

Oh yeah, well my wife is 60p perfectly convertable to 24p and gives some great slow motion, if you know what I mean. ;)

[scharky]

Infact, my 60p wife is my new avatar. She looks thristy!

[J.R. Hudson]

:D Awesome.

[BLUESPIDER]

well, my girlfriend does the 2:33:2 pulldown on me. She's 24progressive scandaless. ;D

[Guest]

A cheap wife? She is cheating you Jony ;D Dream sweet.

[J.R. Hudson]

?

[David Jimerson]

I second that. ???

[Jonathan]

Erm, I'm sure this is all fascinating to some, but haven't we wandered slightly off subject a tad?

[Guest]

You have to read between the lines. It was a discution about the 24p.

John is meaning he has a hot wife (read a DVX100A) which makes his life sweeter. I asked if he was meaning a real hot wife (a 24p filmcamera like an Arri 35 mm) and not an imitation (any other camcorder with a fake or "real" 24p like function). His ansver was that he get a real-real-hot wife. And I ansvered that this cheap wife (a camcorder between 3000-6000) is cheating you. You don't get the real 24p but you get an illusion of holding an ARRI, but you don't tuch the real stuff. The real hot wife is not cheap, it cost you more.

I have only a 25p. What ever, I don't need this 24p.

[scharky]

Actually, I was indeed talking about my actual wife, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Sergej, you have a camera that shoots 25P? It's not a dvx? I'm lost. IF you are refering to FX1, it does not do true 25p either.
So what would a few super8 cameras be, Iv'e got a few laying around that I shoot for fun every now and then. THese must be some not so hot concubines that I have laying around in my office closet :D

[Guest]

PAL

[Neil Rowe]

Erm, I'm sure this is all fascinating to some, but haven't we wandered slightly off subject a tad?


..well sure its off topic, but sometimes you just got say "forget about the topic" long enough to tell everyone how your wife is.. and let me tell you.. my wife is HOT!
i dont know exactly how many "p" it equates to, but its got to be more "p" than any given public toilet sees in its lifetime.. :P

[Guest]

Others wife is like TABU. I don't have meaning of others wife. Never mention anything about whomen who belongs to other. It's just not fair.

Back to business: what about the uncompressed component video out on the FX1 - if it's true it is just fantastic.

[Neil Rowe]

.. imho it sounds like internet fodder for eager ears. i highly doubt it will be implemented. many people have spoken to sony reps, and played with preproduction versions of the camera, and never has any reliable scource mentioned any such thing. ..sides.. my wife is hot.

[David Jimerson]

No, the FX1 doesn't do 25p.

So . . . from what I understand, sergej is saying that we're all being fooled by our 24p DVXs? Fooled into thinking we have something we don't?

[Guest]

Pal Z1 has 25P/24P Sony_like_what_ever mode. What ever, I don't need it.

This uncompressed component taking directly from the sensor is just fantastic. If it is true, Sony says it is was I reading on DVinfo.net, it can make magic. I tryed to find this out hos Sony, but they don't know nothing as usual.

[Guest]

David - I don't know what you have , maybe we have the same stuff but different tv-system. Whatever. I'm not dreaming, I know what I have. It is a video camcorder!

BTW, isn't it a HD-FX part of the DVXuser.forum? I don't buther you with my DVX why do you buther me with yours?

[Guest]

Oh, brother? David! You have to read from the begining to understand what this wife issue is. I don't have anything to do with you. It was between me and John. So, please.....

[monte]

I think he's saying we aren't shooting on 35 mm, the "real" stuff that does 24p...

Maybe its cus im under 30 tho...

[David Jimerson]

I think he's saying we aren't shooting on 35 mm, the "real" stuff that does 24p...

No, that's what Sergej is saying. Me, I love my DVX.


Maybe its cus im under 30 tho...

1) It's you who brought age up.

2) Leave it in the other thread.

[J.R. Hudson]

Man this thread went in all kinds of directions. :D

[dvpixl]

so let me bring it back.... uh, I did not realize until today that there were TWO of these cameras. what's going on?? what is this? like non-A and A type of thing?

[scharky]

IT is basically the "pro" and "consumer" models of sony's cameras, just like the Vx2000 vs the PD150.

[chi_red]

the price for Z1 is going to be around 4900 dollars,
much cheaper than expected.
with PAL support,
this should be a kick ass indie film tool.
and with Atlantis 2, convert PAL to film-motion NTSC(to show your project, submit to film festivals, and broadcast on NTSC etc.)
talking about XL2 killer.... ;D

[Rogue Crew]

$2,300 for a some XLR inputs. Ridiculous.


Well, the Z1 is $1,200 more than the FX1, not $2,300.

[alpi69]

in any case the FX1 is NOT usable without volume control (and NO audiolimiter!), no XLR, no numbered zoom etc.
i doubt many users will need NTSC AND PAL in one cam. how many fly crossatlantic to shoot?
so for me the FX1 is neglectable at the moment as a professional tool (and seriously which "private users" spends 3500+ on a cam?).

so we need to wait for the Z1...but until then i assume JVC has their 2nd generation HDV out and Panasonic will also shoot one at NAB for sure. Canon i am not so sure about since they just rushed the XL2 into shelves to keep their XL1 users at least. do they have another project for the same market at work? i doubt it.

[Barry_Green]

The FX1 does have volume control. It just controls both channels together, not separately.

The FX1 does have a limiter. You just can't turn it off, it's always engaged.

Don't expect anything HDV from Canon anytime soon, they've got an established pattern of letting everyone else play their cards, and then entering the game last. When they do produce an HDV camera, I'm betting it'll be based on the GL2 platform, not the XL platform.

[Antoine_Fabi]

I think Canon XL2 is HDV ready.
If you look at the CCDs hi res, ultra low noise etc..., i think it would be very very easy for them to release an HDV version very soon.


BTW, do you think that it will be possible to make true 24p with DVFilm without losing too much res ? ... I think it looks promising...

[Kidster]

From what I have read (over at the Cow) it sounds like the CF24 on the Z1 is some sort of Smart deinterlacing done within the camera itself. I wish Barry could have gotten his hands on the Z1 so we could know for sure how the CF24 thing works. But I guess we will have to wait until Sundance.

[alpi69]

The FX1 does have volume control. *It just controls both channels together, not separately.

The FX1 does have a limiter. *You just can't turn it off, it's always engaged.


oh, my bad. it said No and No to both so i misunderstood those.

[rbilsbor]

Hey, let's get back to the wives... Pics anyone?

Kidding, sort of. So I haven't stayed up on the FX-1/Z1 hype that much. Answer me this: Will it be possible to use the PAL version/mode to get "true" 25P?

[Barry_Green]

No. No true progressive scan of any type.

[alpi69]

it says WIDESREEN for both. is HDV ALWAYS 16:9 or can you shoot it as 4:3 HDV also and how would the chip then record that?

[Barry_Green]

HD is always 16:9.