AF-100 Confirmed List Price: $4,995

[smelni]

Price in US is 4995 list confirmed by one of the most reliable sources

EDITED by moderator: this is now officially confirmed by Panasonic USA.

[Noel Evans]

If your source is accurate Seth.... excellent!

[smelni]

My source is indeed accurate.

[agcohn]

Is that a confirmed MSRP or Street Price?

[smelni]

List

[timbook2]

oh man.... I can see the scammers rubbing their dirty hands in anticipation.....they´ll offer it for $3695 or less? we´ll see....

[blondie.]

Omg omg omg omg omg

[hyphygreek]

Hmmm... I need Barry and Jan confirmation too. But if this is true you can find me on the news tonight for indecent exposure in downtown Sacramento.

[smelni]

You virtually have that confirmation

[Kegan]

Very interesting...I'm hoping this is early December then.

Kegan

[Dino]

Would the name of your source start with a "B", end with an "H" and have an "&" in the middle?

[hyphygreek]

Can we see this confirmed price source?

[smelni]

Not that I know of and its not from b &h

[Everts]

Well if this is true ..then I won't mind saying that I was right ...I won't !


Would the name of your source start with a "B", end with an "H" and have an "&" in the middle?


Wait you know of the new Beers & Hooters club !

[Barry_Green]

Not sure where your source is coming from, but the only source that would be authorized to make such an announcement would be Jan, and as far as I know, no such announcement has been made.

[smelni]

all i can say is that it is a VERY good source - thats all i can say

[szimmer]

Well, soon we will know if your source is RIGHT or not.

I sure hope so! $5000 would mean I have money left over for a nice lens!
:2vrolijk_08:

Simon

[dop16mm]

dvshop in Toronto is showing a list of $6500. Considering that Panasonic Canada is always way high $5000 US is certainly possible.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

My prediction stays the same.
You could find it for $4000 in 2011 :-)

[dcloud]

Yes! Street lrice would be lower :) id love panny of thats the srp

[impressive creations]

My prediction stays the same.
You could find it for $4000 in 2011 :-)

Hope so, then I can sell both of my HMC150's and get two AF100's and not be out too much at all!!

I have a feeling my 7D is going to be working harder then ever, as my full time stillphoto cam..

Anyone looking for a 150!!

Yeee haaa.. I hope that sub-$5000 is correct!

[ddh]

Price in US is 4995 list confirmed by one of the most reliable sources

If this is true ... I might buy 2.

[Homunculus]

wow man. that would be a savior for me. pleaaaase 4000's sounds good.

anyone can explain the difference between "list" "msrp" "street price" etc? I'm not a car sales man I don't know what these terms mean :(

[dcloud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggested_retail_price

street price hopefully is 4500 or 4600? :D that would be so kick ass :)

[DPStewart]

This changes everything.

At least for someone who works in the kinds of budgets this camera is geared to.

I know several great young directors who will now be able to own this kind of quality instead of renting.

GOOD FOR THEM!

[Homunculus]

This changes everything.

At least for someone who works in the kinds of budgets this camera is geared to.

I know several great young directors who will now be able to own this kind of quality instead of renting.

GOOD FOR THEM!
yes i'm one of them. please god say it's true!

[hyphygreek]

Is Panasonic officially announcing the US price at DV Expo next week?

[Finster]

Wow. I'm all in if the street price is more in the ballpark of $4600 - $4800. I'm much more hesitant if the price is closer to $6K.

Must be a price psychology thing, eh?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Yeah.
At announcment they make it $3999.
And you'll instantly preorder it.
Human instincts.
Sale. Discounted price for five years only :-)

[Joe Walker]

At $6000 I was all in, if it's any lower that just means more lenses!

[Mister Stocks]

At $6000 I was all in, if it's any lower that just means more lenses!

Agreed, I hate to keep mentioning this but at these specs and with what I think the target market is for this camera, I see the AF-100 as an EX killer more than a DSLR killer, which in my market is a big f'ing deal.

[Barry_Green]

Is Panasonic officially announcing the US price at DV Expo next week?
I don't believe any definitive word has been given on that, but I would be startled if it weren't true.

[Barry_Green]

Yeah.
At announcment they make it $3999.
Where do you get this stuff from? I mean, is there supposed to be a "rimshot" sound now?

The only thing we know about the AF100, officially, is that the US price will be "under $6,000" and the EU price is 4900 Euros. Anything else is speculation until it's confirmed by Panasonic.

Unless Seth's source is a dealer, and that dealer is confirming that THEIR price is going to be $4995, which would still be pretty awesome.

[ProjX v2.0]

$4995 US list is official now.

Jan posted it on her twitter feed @ http://twitter.com/JanCrittenden/status/25117867556

AG-AF100 showing at HD Expo, NYC. List price:$4,995, US.

[smelni]

I wont say i told you so but...

told you so

[cap10kirk]

This is doable for me. Panny is trying to blow away the competition.

[Berk]

$4995 US list is official now.

Jan posted it on her twitter feed @ http://twitter.com/JanCrittenden/status/25117867556


SWEEETTTT:laugh:

[Joe Walker]

Well there's my sixth lens!

[LoganMackay]

I am scared to see how much in Canada.

[ProjX v2.0]

And there's my GH2!

[robertwerden]

That price is mind blowing. I really expected it to be 6k and panasonic is really tempting me to sell something I truly love to buy this camera.

[ProjX v2.0]

I am scared to see how much in Canada.

With exchange, shipping and GST, it will still be cheaper to buy from US. Someone had previously mentioned Canadian pricing was $6500 @ dvshop: http://dvshop.ca/camera/panasonicagaf100.html

[ZazaCast]

WooHoo... I'm in! A sweet camera just became sweeter....

[staygettin]

I'm good to go now, now I can get another lens.

[heavyG]

I read here somewhere (so many pages about this Camera) that dealers are taking pre-orders. Anyone know who they are?


G.

[Barry_Green]

Hah! $4995 MSRP... awesome... sweet...

[heavyG]

With exchange, shipping and GST, it will still be cheaper to buy from US. Someone had previously mentioned Canadian pricing was $6500 @ dvshop: http://dvshop.ca/camera/panasonicagaf100.html

I bought my last two HVX200's from Spec Comm - the import was really seamless, and waaaaaaaaay cheaper than Vistek... Even back when our dollar was in the dumper - now that we are within a penny or two of the US$ the savings could be significant.

G.

[BobDiaz]

This is doable for me. Panny is trying to blow away the competition.

To me, it appears that Panasonic is not afraid to step ahead and be the first to market. Remember the HMC-200? At the time of introduction, who else was putting anything close to the HMC-200 at that price range?

The AF-100/101 is another example of Panasonic's aggressive engineering and marketing.


Bob Diaz

[dcloud]

hwat do you guys think of the street price? im praying 4200 or less :D

[GRENCH]

Oh yeah!!!!!

Now I will achieve everything I thought I would achieve with my DSLR, and my HVX200 and my M2 & LEX Adapter, and my Canon XHA1, and my DVX-100A & B!

Oh Yeah!!!!!!!

"Insanity: is a spectrum of behaviors characterized by certain abnormal behavioral patterns.":2vrolijk_08:

[LoganMackay]

I bought my last two HVX200's from Spec Comm - the import was really seamless, and waaaaaaaaay cheaper than Vistek... Even back when our dollar was in the dumper - now that we are within a penny or two of the US$ the savings could be significant.

G.


Good to know!

No way am I paying $6500.00 from Vistek...

[Barry_Green]

hwat do you guys think of the street price? im praying 4200 or less :D
A year after release, maybe. But not the first few months. Not if it's anything like the HVX200 launch was.

[youngindiefilms]

Street price will depend a lot on the quantity Panasonic can supply in the first weeks/months.
If they can't supply enough, brace yourself for a street price higher than list price, this happens all the time.

[Kholi]

Panasonic becomes street smart, news at 8.

At that price the GH2 isn't such a no brainer.

Way to go, Pana. Are the stills and videeo division now talking to each other?

[Rakesh Jacob]

:2vrolijk_08:Happy dance!!!!!:2vrolijk_08:
Woot beoches!!!

[timbook2]

$4995 US list is official now.

Jan posted it on her twitter feed @ http://twitter.com/JanCrittenden/status/25117867556

hmmmm....5,000.00 USD = 3,808.08 EUR I wonder where the other 2000 € are supposed to come from/go to???

If the € price remains 5900.- I might as well buy it elsewhere! even with customs and tax I will be way below this price!

[AdrianF]

If the € price remains 5900.- I might as well buy it elsewhere! even with customs and tax I will be way below this price!

In the EU, VAT/TVA will play a role in how well the AF100 does at the lower end of the scale. With around 15 - 25% added to the price, which many who own a DSLR, won't be able to reclaim.
It's still an amazing price for what the camera offers, but I don't see it competing for a lot of DSLR shooters Euros/Pounds.

Anyone know a good broadcast supplier in the Channel Islands?

[timbook2]

Just talked to my dealer in Germany, he says most probably the US models are NOT ntsc/pal switchable....similar to the 171 model which in pal world can switch to ntsc but the us models cant switch to pal...
can somebody confirm this? he also said the usa models are likely to be in shops before europe...

[smelni]

jan had said in her video that they are switchable

[timbook2]

jan had said in her video that they are switchable

yes but wasnt she showing the AF 101 ? while the US model is called Af 100 ??

whatever ...I will find out once the official € price is announced.

[MSpencer]

SUPER DUPER... Pumped on this one...

[hyphygreek]

I'm so glad I got to wake up to Jan's twitter post. This is awesome!

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

If they make them switchable it can be big problem.
All that we see is big corporation with smart managers on USA side (as always :-) ).
They provide most sales, so can use this as powerful weapon :-)

It looks that they adjusted AF100 price so everyone will be able to buy GH2 also :-)

[dop16mm]

Gh2 looks promising too, they'll make a good pair. Best way to get kit lens if you don't already have one.

Anyone ever use the 14-42 for video? It has ois, and is as long as I'd ever shoot hand-held. Cheapest way to get into GH2 including a lens. May go this route first and build my set of lenses and adaptors and hope for AF100 by spring.

[jmmusic]

Streeting under $4995 = VERY good decision on their part.

Exciting times.

[Everts]

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=223231

yeah I told you so the first ! :)

[Melvin Harris]

Sitting in front of the computer...

Mouth open.

Cue music- Journey's Don't Stop Believing fades in slowly.

A tear rolls down the face....

[Barry_Green]

Just talked to my dealer in Germany, he says most probably the US models are NOT ntsc/pal switchable....
I am very sure that he's incorrect. Every AF100/AF101/AF102/AF104/AF105 is supposed to be 50hz/60hz switchable.

[David G. Smith]

I have it from a reliable source that there are some guys from Brooklyn that will be offering the AF-100 for $3495.00... and they will throw in a free toaster and a date with their "Sister". I have already sent in my deposit... and a request for a picture of the "Sister"!

[Stephen Mick]

$3495 and you still need a picture of the sister? Your standards are higher than mine. :D

[GRENCH]

When and where will they start taking pre-orders on this thing? Please tell me!

[heavyG]

Price is great - I'll probably get two to use in our kitchen studio, for the more commercial web work we do. Budgets there are still tight, but the clients want the live monitors and they want to see a 'big' camera -> and a fully kitted out VDSLR is still a 'consumer' camera in their eyes.

At this price it will nicely fill the gap between the HVX's we own and the RED's we rent.

My problem with the ever diminishing cost of equipment is low barrier of entry it poses to those hobbyists who try to 'do video work on the side'. They buy the bare minimum, get the job on lowest price; and then can't service the client.

[Lyris]

Holy.... !!

That is a very nice price! I may actually be able to BUY one instead of renting!!!

Good times are ahead! :)

[Aneurysm]

OMFG! This is awesome news! This means another lens for me and/or a nice ball mount tripod to replace my old one.

[Justyn]

Is there some news on the GH2? I'm eagerly awaiting this baby too.... Sweet baby.


What a great price too... I'm thinking it'll be 4699 street price with all the jello you can eat... and hope to not have any in the image.

[GRENCH]

@Barry Green- You have to be feeling pretty good right now. I remember you speaking on this type of camera a good while ago when the DLSRs were King Sh_t on Turd Island.


My problem with the ever diminishing cost of equipment is low barrier of entry it poses to those hobbyists who try to 'do video work on the side'. They buy the bare minimum, get the job on lowest price; and then can't service the client.

I would think that that would help the true professional in the long run.

[heavyG]

I would think that that would help the true professional in the long run.

Long run yes... Short term it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.

[GRENCH]

Long run yes... Short term it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.

I can dig it.

[Rick Burnett]

Awesome.

So, where do you all typically pre-order from? I've never pre-ordered gear before but on this I think I want to. Any recommendations? (Even if you cannot pre-order yet)?

[robertwerden]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/731509-REG/Panasonic_AG_AF100_AG_AF100_Micro_Four_Thirds.html

No prices yet, but it is there

[Rick Burnett]

Do they allow pre-orders at some point? I have bought a LOT through them, but again, never a pre-order.

[timbook2]

I have it from a reliable source that there are some guys from Brooklyn that will be offering the AF-100 for $3495.00... and they will throw in a free toaster and a date with their "Sister". I have already sent in my deposit... and a request for a picture of the "Sister"!

Good cheap fast : pick any two:

http://www.uglypeople.se/photos/wMarkImg/129.jpg

[Rick Burnett]

I guess you can't blame that on aliasing :)

[Nektonic]

:shocked::2vrolijk_08:

:costumed-smiley-047 pities the fools who don't have $4995 in the bank.

[David G. Smith]

Good cheap fast : pick any two:

http://www.uglypeople.se/photos/wMarkImg/129.jpg


Way too funny!.... I got nothin' :crybaby:

[Jason Allen]

:shocked::2vrolijk_08:

:costumed-smiley-047 pities the fools who don't have $4995 in the bank.

Best use of the Mr. T smiley... ever! I may indeed sell a kidney for this camera. Anyone need a spare? Type O- compatible!

[eheath]

i wish i could sell an hvx for enough money to get this, fuuuuu

[Noel Evans]

Seth was right. Well done with youre source.

[Nektonic]

Best use of the Mr. T smiley... ever! I may indeed sell a kidney for this camera. Anyone need a spare? Type O- compatible!

:costumed-smiley-047 pities the fools who don't sell an internal organ to pay for an AF100.

[David G. Smith]

:costumed-smiley-047 pities the fools who don't sell an internal organ to pay for an AF100.

Ha, Ha, Ha!!! I just couldn't resist!!!

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=2110628#post2110628
:grin::beer:

[Jan_Crittenden]

The only thing we know about the AF100, officially, is that the US price will be "under $6,000" and the EU price is 4900 Euros. Anything else is speculation until it's confirmed by Panasonic.

Unless Seth's source is a dealer, and that dealer is confirming that THEIR price is going to be $4995, which would still be pretty awesome.

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan

[David G. Smith]

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan

Holy Cow!!!! That is great!. I only need to sell half a kidney now!!! :grin:

[Jason Allen]

Holy Cow!!!! That is great!. I only need to sell half a kidney now!!! :grin:

No, you still need to sell a whole kidney if you want glass and a microphone with the camera :D

[David G. Smith]

No, you still need to sell a whole kidney if you want glass and a microphone with the camera :D

I got glass and mics.... and will throw in a free toaster and SD card with the half a kidney.

[ATL Media Group]

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan


I don't believe it... Can we get a second source to confirm?


















.
:grin:

[Noel Evans]

Time to email my local Pana man (or you could say my local Pana version of Jan), and see what's up.

[powervideo]

Time to email my local Pana man (or you could say my local Pana version of Jan), and see what's up.

Let us know the Aussie price Noel.

[jdv]

It looks like Panny is trying - once and for all - to dominate the sub $15K market.

It's hard to imagine all those features for 5 grand. Assuming you already have some type of glass, all you need is an adapter, a battery, and a memory card. Meaning for around 6 grand you have a true pro video camera that shoots footage like a tricked out GH1. And I say sub $15 K market 'cause I'm not sure another camera can do what this camera can for less.

Pretty darn amazing.

I love my DLSR form factor, but I must admit I'm having second thoughts.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

I would still gladly pay $7k for a P2/AVC-Intra version though.

[xbourque]

I would still gladly pay $7k for a P2/AVC-Intra version though.

How about 10k?

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=327735&catGroupId=34402&surfModel=AG-HPG20

-X

[plasmasmp]

$4995!!! Amazing. I can see people in the market for this type of camera picking up two. Now I just need to get one as soon as possible to start testing it.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

How about 10k?

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=327735&catGroupId=34402&surfModel=AG-HPG20

-X

Af-100 still crippled with a 8bit SDI out and no way to output 60p VFR.

[dcloud]

Af-100 still crippled with a 8bit SDI out and no way to output 60p VFR.

im still buying one.

enjoy waiting for the 'right' camera

[mik303]

Well, if the MSRP is $4995, then I would gladly pay an extra $2000 to get a version with P2 Cards and DVCPRO HD. $6995 would be a steal. I would pay $8995 for AVC-Intra version of the AF100 with P2 cards. Freaking AVCHD 24mbps is less than a 40mbps blu-ray DVD. Very disappointing.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Get Atomos Ninja and all will be good :-)

[hyphygreek]

Please tell me the AF100 is going to be at DV Expo. A group of us from NorCal are going to head to SoCal just to see this beauty.

[Jan_Crittenden]

Well, if the MSRP is $4995, then I would gladly pay an extra $2000 to get a version with P2 Cards and DVCPRO HD. $6995 would be a steal. I would pay $8995 for AVC-Intra version of the AF100 with P2 cards. Freaking AVCHD 24mbps is less than a 40mbps blu-ray DVD. Very disappointing.

Sorry we couldn't make the camera for that little with P2. Because so many things would have to change inside of the cameras due to the 10Bit requirement of AVC-Intra, it would cost closer to $10,000+. I think that many people look at one manufacturer's version of AVCHD and think that is what it looks like from everyone. This is not true. I have seen AVCHD/AVCCAM hold its own against much higher bit rate codecs than itself including DVCPRO HD in some cases. I know in tonal gradation areas it can totally smoke DVCPRO HD. So unless you have tried it, I wouldn't prejudge it. It is better than you think.

Best,

Jan

[timbook2]

The thing that saves pana are the 2 outputs! I also dont like AVCHD but the 8 bit 4:2:2 output makes this camera a real winner for me. I am really curious to see the files recorded on one of the small recorders!!

[Noel Evans]

due to the 10Bit requirement of AVC-Intra, it would cost closer to $10,000+.

And whilst that would be very very nice to have. Im happy with a $2k premium to get prores 4:2:2 via the ki pro mini. Its not 10bit AVCIntra - but its like AVCIntra's not quite so pretty sister.

[Chris Wilmshurst]

Any news on a UK price? shop up the road has them advertised as coming soon. no price though/

[mcgeedigital]

And whilst that would be very very nice to have. Im happy with a $2k premium to get prores 4:2:2 via the ki pro mini. Its not 10bit AVCIntra - but its like AVCIntra's not quite so pretty sister.

+1. That's exactly what i am going to do as well. And it will make me money.

[Barry_Green]

Jack and I are shooting a feature on one, and I'll use the Ki Pro mini for it. It's like the cheapest free upgrade you can get, because there will always be demand for a Ki Pro Mini or something like it. Buy it, use it, sell it when you're done. You'll probably get 75% of your money back on ebay, so ... it's like a $500 upgrade when all is said and done. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Or, like Vitaliy said, if your tastes run towards the Ninja, go that route -- it only costs $795 to buy. I wouldn't go that way, I want the locking HD-SDI connector for my recorder, but it's pretty much impossible to argue against the Ninja's price.

[David Saraceno]

Can you edit pro res on Edius Barry?

Just wondering

[aalleexx]

Barry do you think that the difference will be visible when shooting to the camera compared to shooting to the ki pro mini? I wonder how big of an impact this will be

[Paul Chak]

Jan Critteden,

I will buy the AF-100.

Please make a PL mount, with rods for adding mattebox and folow focus, that doesn´t cost 1200 dollars, (like the hot rod costs.)

http://www.hotrodcameras.com/products/lens-mount-kits/pl-mount-and-mods/hot-rod-pl-basic/

Thanks!

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Jan Critteden,

I will buy the AF-100.

Please make a PL mount, with rods for adding mattebox and folow focus, that doesn´t cost 1200 dollars, (like the hot rod costs.)

http://www.hotrodcameras.com/products/lens-mount-kits/pl-mount-and-mods/hot-rod-pl-basic/



Rods are cheap.
And in your place I better ask Chinese manufacturers.
As they can make PL mount even for $50, I think :-)
But demand for such mount converter is very small.

[Stephen Mick]

Barry do you think that the difference will be visible when shooting to the camera compared to shooting to the ki pro mini? I wonder how big of an impact this will be


I'm not Barry, so I hope it's okay if I try to answer your question. :D

Having shot with the NanoFlash extensively, I would say that the difference would likely become much more apparent the further you push the footage down the post-production chain. Meaning…if your work involves shooting properly-lit footage, ingesting/transcoding to a codec like ProRes, performing normal, but not seriously aggressive color-correction, and finally exporting to a high-quality codec, I doubt you'd see a difference.

Where I have seen a difference is where footage, for whatever reason, needed to be "saved" in post with seriously aggressive color work. I've also seen a very slight difference in quality between greenscreen footage, but not so much that I would call it extremely significant.

[Barry_Green]

Can you edit pro res on Edius Barry?

Just wondering
I don't even know. I assume so, as EDIUS can handle just about everything, but I'm not the editor on this project, Jack is, and he edits on the Apple platform.

[Barry_Green]

Barry do you think that the difference will be visible when shooting to the camera compared to shooting to the ki pro mini? I wonder how big of an impact this will be
I don't know if the difference will be all that big compared to the naked eye, but the film we're doing has substantial visual effects and post-processing, and I figure we'll be better off with a more robust editing codec.

[Martti Ekstrand]

Please make a PL mount, with rods for adding mattebox and folow focus, that doesn´t cost 1200 dollars

ciecio7, a adaptor maker in Poland makes one for $320 and sells it over eBay. I have his CanonFD-m4/3 adapter and it's great.

http://shop.ebay.com/ciecio7/m.html

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

$147 only
http://cgi.ebay.com/ARRI-ARRIFLEX-PL-M4-3-Micro-4-3-43-G1-/320583266287?pt=Lens_Accessories&hash=item4aa4406fef

[aalleexx]

I'm not Barry, so I hope it's okay if I try to answer your question. :D

Having shot with the NanoFlash extensively, I would say that the difference would likely become much more apparent the further you push the footage down the post-production chain. Meaning…if your work involves shooting properly-lit footage, ingesting/transcoding to a codec like ProRes, performing normal, but not seriously aggressive color-correction, and finally exporting to a high-quality codec, I doubt you'd see a difference.

Where I have seen a difference is where footage, for whatever reason, needed to be "saved" in post with seriously aggressive color work. I've also seen a very slight difference in quality between greenscreen footage, but not so much that I would call it extremely significant.

thank you for that, just like I thought

[David Saraceno]

I don't even know. I assume so, as EDIUS can handle just about everything, but I'm not the editor on this project, Jack is, and he edits on the Apple platform.

I guess it does:

http://thurly.net/02jp

[Vince K]

footage or it didn't happen!! ;)

[Paul Chak]

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan

Hi!

Is there any difference between AF100 and AF101? AF101 is 25p native? (I know both of them are PAL/NTSC switcheable, I´m asking about native.) Thanks.

[Noel Evans]

Hi!

Is there any difference between AF100 and AF101? AF101 is 25p native? (I know both of them are PAL/NTSC switcheable, I´m asking about native.) Thanks.

Hi Paul. When you switch these cameras from PAL to NTSC, you are literally switching the cameras operating frequency from 50 - 60Hz.

So, for example you are not trying to shoot 50P on a NTSC 60Hz signal. All PAL shooting is done correctly at its native 50HZ and likewise NTSC at its native 60Hz.

[PappasArts]

Originally Posted by aalleexx View Post
Barry do you think that the difference will be visible when shooting to the camera compared to shooting to the ki pro mini? I wonder how big of an impact this will be


The difference between, lets say shooting 180mbit on Nano vs 24mbit is "HUGE". 24mbit is a distribution bit rate, not a top acquisition bit rate. Will it work at 24Mbit; of course it will. Just as DVX100's or HDV cameras work for people. However anyone that knows their business; knows that shooting at a very high Mbit rate like 180mbits is gonna destroy 24mbit in the subtly of tone and color rendition and an overall better representation of what came off the sensor. That's why the AF100 having SDI and HDMI out is such a golden gift to anyone wanting top quality..

Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
http://www.PappasArts.com

[ProjX v2.0]

Since the Ki Pro Mini is specifically geared towards FCP users, are there any HD-SDI recorders on the market compatible with CS5 in a similar price range??

[powervideo]

Since the Ki Pro Mini is specifically geared towards FCP users, are there any HD-SDI recorders on the market compatible with CS5 in a similar price range??

Sorry that's not true. We do broadcast work with ProResHQ footage everyday with CS5 and it works just fine.

[ProjX v2.0]

Sorry that's not true. We do broadcast work with ProResHQ footage everyday with CS5 and it works just fine.

I didn't even know there was support for it in CS5. I guess I need to upgrade to 5.0.2 as it seems to have fixed some bugs.

[Razz16mm]

$147 only
http://cgi.ebay.com/ARRI-ARRIFLEX-PL-M4-3-Micro-4-3-43-G1-/320583266287?pt=Lens_Accessories&hash=item4aa4406fef

For relatively small lightweight primes that might work OK. But many PL lenses are quite heavy and could distort the 4/3 mount without external support. Hot Rod PL mount is expensive, but the lens and camera are both supported by the adapter directly and there is no weight on the camera mount.

[LuckyStudio 13]

and just to think a 2 years ago Letus wanted $4500 for their Letus Ultimate adapter. I wonder when they going to close down the 35mm adapter section of the forum.

[powervideo]

I didn't even know there was support for it in CS5. I guess I need to upgrade to 5.0.2 as it seems to have fixed some bugs.

The update fixes a lot of things but even 5.0 will work with ProRes. I just did a quick test and imported a ProResHQ HD clip into my Windows 7 CS4 Premiere machine and it played fine. I have a red render bar at the top of the sequence but it plays fine in real time.

[Justyn]

and just to think a 2 years ago Letus wanted $4500 for their Letus Ultimate adapter. I wonder when they going to close down the 35mm adapter section of the forum.

I have wondered that myself. I always really disliked the whole ordeal that you had to do to get a suitable image and the light loss was always tough. I once had a shoot where they were using the old Redrock with a zoom lens that was a 3.5f/s and they expected me to do a night shoot... That was funny cause it all looked like glowing orbs...

[pjsssss]

Can you edit pro res on Edius Barry?

Just wondering
Yes, Edius can edit Pro Res 422 or the HQ.

[Northainan]

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan

Ok this is the only source I was looking for. $4995. Wow! Oh yeah and for the people who are waiting on the perfect camera at a BARGAIN price and who are still caught up in the technical crap. Keep waiting.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

For relatively small lightweight primes that might work OK. But many PL lenses are quite heavy and could distort the 4/3 mount without external support. Hot Rod PL mount is expensive, but the lens and camera are both supported by the adapter directly and there is no weight on the camera mount.

I don't see how heavy lenses will be used without rod support, so you'll have support for lens installed on rods anyway.

Or use
http://cgi.ebay.com/Manfrotto-293-Telephoto-Lens-Support-/110544160302?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item19bcf2062e
Both ways it'll be better as rig will be much better balanced. Instead of very expensive adapter case.

[timbook2]

if the € keeps rising like this til december, the price difference between 5k€ and 5k$ will be too much!

[tflak]

Or use
http://cgi.ebay.com/Manfrotto-293-Telephoto-Lens-Support-/110544160302?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item19bcf2062e
Both ways it'll be better as rig will be much better balanced. Instead of very expensive adapter case.

Available from B&H for $70 -- reviews there are positive:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554350-REG/Manfrotto_293_293_Telephoto_Lens_Support.html#feat ures

[NickD]

Actually I am Seth's source, I saw him at our 3D Camera Launch Party last night. It is absolutely true that the AF100 will have a list price of $4995.

Best,

Jan

Hi Jan,

Will there be an AF100 bundle Kit with lens option?

Approx pricing and what lens will that be ?

If it is the same 14-140 that comes with the GH1/GH2, does that mean the AF100 and GH2 are an ideal match A and B Cam setup?

Thanks for your feedback!

[Rick Burnett]

Hi Jan,

Will there be an AF100 bundle Kit with lens option?

Approx pricing and what lens will that be ?

If it is the same 14-140 that comes with the GH1/GH2, does that mean the AF100 and GH2 are an ideal match A and B Cam setup?

Thanks for your feedback!


Maybe there will be a AF100,GH2,Lens bundle :)

[Jan_Crittenden]

Hi,

At this point I am thinking of just the camera. Only because it becomes a purchasing/inventory dilemma. I can assure you that I will not be selling the GH2 as any part of any package though. Lens maybe, but not the GH2.

Thanks,

Jan

[Rick Burnett]

Hi,

At this point I am thinking of just the camera. Only because it becomes a purchasing/inventory dilemma. I can assure you that I will not be selling the GH2 as any part of any package though. Lens maybe, but not the GH2.

Thanks,

Jan


Haha, I want to say I was only kidding :) I wasn't seriously expecting you guys to sell ANYTHING like that. If anyone would do this, I could see some third part seller making some kind of deal, like the "Buy my computer and get this printer free!" promotion.

I just want to say thank you VERY much for selling it body only. I have no interest in a kit lens and am glad that you've gone this path. So thanks :)

[Bucknfl]

Hi,

At this point I am thinking of just the camera. Only because it becomes a purchasing/inventory dilemma. I can assure you that I will not be selling the GH2 as any part of any package though. Lens maybe, but not the GH2.

Thanks,

Jan

Jan is Panasonic working with any lense manufactures to develope a faster cine style zoom lens for the AF-100?

[ZazaCast]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggested_retail_price

street price hopefully is 4500 or 4600? :D that would be so kick ass :)

Just got a quote of $4699.00. :thumbsup:

[NickD]

Hi,

At this point I am thinking of just the camera. Only because it becomes a purchasing/inventory dilemma. I can assure you that I will not be selling the GH2 as any part of any package though. Lens maybe, but not the GH2.

Thanks,

Jan

Thanks for the quick response!

Just 2 last questions...

1. I have no specific lens to use with the AF100 camera, so I assume the best lens of choice at this point is the Panasonic 14-140 to utilize Autofocus specifically and get all the features on the AF100?

2. I assume the AF100 was specifically developed with the Panasonic 14-140 lens and would get full Panasonic support used together?

[Yak]

Hi,

At this point I am thinking of just the camera. Only because it becomes a purchasing/inventory dilemma. I can assure you that I will not be selling the GH2 as any part of any package though. Lens maybe, but not the GH2.

Thanks,

Jan

What about a package price with a AG-HPG20 & a AF100

[Jan_Crittenden]

What about a package price with a AG-HPG20 & a AF100

Now that is an interesting idea.

Thanks,

Jan

[Jan_Crittenden]

Jan is Panasonic working with any lense manufactures to develope a faster cine style zoom lens for the AF-100?

Take a look at the Olympus line up..

Jan

[danielc]

heya jan, is there a canadian equivalent price yet or will that have to wait come release? thanks!

[heavyG]

Two AF100's pre-oredered!

Clients were already asking if we were getting this camera - because they want their projects shot on it... Hype much?

Time was the client didn't care what you shot on if it looked like a camera, and the final output was what they expected. Then they started asking for specific lenses (Cooke S4's had the biggest hype). Now everyone is an expert on cameras and when they will be released.

G.

[Bucknfl]

Jan is there any truth to the rumor that Panasonic is developing a bright video zoom lens as mentioned on 43rumors?

[dcloud]

she wouldnt know. thats the consumer division. plus i think there was a pic that confirms this

[ZazaCast]

Pre-order in!

PM me for more info........

[Saddler]

I have it from a reliable source that there are some guys from Brooklyn that will be offering the AF-100 for $3495.00... and they will throw in a free toaster and a date with their "Sister". I have already sent in my deposit... and a request for a picture of the "Sister"!

Yes, a fantastic price for the Brooklyn limited micro 4/3 edition of the AF-100. But beware! I've heard that toasters out of Brooklyn have gray market parts. I'd say just throw out the toaster to be safe, and enjoy your new GH-100!

[Rick Burnett]

Pre-order in!

PM me for more info........


Thanks Zaza, I am #3 in the list as I played a little phone tag. Great guy buy the way you referred me to.

Now the waiting game....

[Steve Kahn]

Pre-order in!

PM me for more info........

Thank you! Me too! I'm #4. Shawn is a great guy! This is very exciting!

[ZazaCast]

Cheers!

[danielc]

heavyG, could you tell me where you pre ordered? i am in newmarket and can only think of two places that would. thank you!

[Kegan]

I second the above question heavyG.

Thanks,

Kegan

[Duke M.]

Guys, doesn't this remind you of the 5D/7D hype?

I bought into the DSLR craze, and now have a good.... still camera. The 7D sounded great on paper. Once I saw the video on a resolution chart and the moire I went back to the EX1 with a Letus.

The price is great, the specs are great, but I can't get over the fact that this is basically a GH1 setup with modifications. Show me some more real tests and then I'll make some decisions.

[heavyG]

Abel Cine in New York, if past experience holds true... Even with shipping and exchange it'll be cheaper than local.

G.

[danielc]

thanks alot! have to check that out. but very true duke. id like to see some sample footage. i do love the look of my redrock, which is why i am not selling that setup anytime soon.

[Rick Burnett]

Well I put a lot of respect in Barry's first tests. I've followed a lot of his other tests on different cameras and know he's looking for the same improvements over the DSLR range as I am. In addition, I can cancel my order at any time before they ship if the finished camera tests aren't good. I'm willing to take that risk with what I know now. And, they've already said it is not the same sensor as the GH1.

[hunter richards]

The price is great, the specs are great, but I can't get over the fact that this is basically a GH1 setup with modifications. Show me some more real tests and then I'll make some decisions.

Think your in for a pleasant surprise.

[LoganMackay]

The price is great, the specs are great, but I can't get over the fact that this is basically a GH1 setup with modifications. Show me some more real tests and then I'll make some decisions.


Besides the processing, OLPF and the words of people using it saying it isn't anything like SLR cams?

[Duke M.]

@grimepoch: Barry does a great job and I wish he would have had more time and equipment to test the AF100. Plenty of the concepts are intriguing.

@LoganMackay: People were saying great things about the 5DMk2 when Phil Blooms video came out. Then 24p on the 7D was going to be the great salvation. It wasn't. So a few clips under optimum conditions don't sway me anymore.

I like the concept and the specs of both the Scarlet and the AF100. However, I have the same thought when people tout them but don't own one: "Show me."

There are too many different aspects to a camera to rely on specs or feature lists. Its how all these work together that count. Fortunately, I think it won't be too long until some of those tests come out. :smile:

[Noel Evans]

I like the concept and the specs of both the Scarlet and the AF100. However, I have the same thought when people tout them but don't own one: "Show me."

And I think thats a good way to be. 5k is 5k. Not sure about you or anyone else but Im not interested in throwing 5k down a hole. Everyone needs to be pragmatic when throwing down their $$.

I agree with others though, based on Barry's summation, that this will be a kick ass unit.

[timbook2]

Ok I got the first official price in Germany:

http://shop.teltec.de/product_info.php/info/p24986_HD/DV/Panasonic_AG_AF101.html

thats a whooping 5831.- € !!! at todays rate thats

Live rates at 2010.09.29 08:48:00 UTC
5,831.00 EUR = 7,920.86 USD

7900 USD ?

I am not happy !:D

[DC]

I've already pre-ordered my AF100 and am virtually guaranteed to get one in the first shipment. I think this will be a great cam in so many ways. One thing I'm really looking forward to is shrinking my rig! I'm tired of using a 35mm adaptor and ending up with a bazooka-like camera (as much as I appreciate the kind of quality I can achieve that way). I plan to do some shooting far and away, and I think the AF100 will allow me to bring just about everything I want in pro backpack on a plane. Even just locally it will great to be able to be a one-man camera team (on appropriate projects) without "breaking my back." :)

[Rick Burnett]

Well I am a very technical person (which is why I get billed as the Technical Director on many projects I am on when I co-DP as well) so I plan on analyzing the hell out of my AF-100 as compared to my 7D :) ESPECIALLY rolling shutter. Why? curiosity. :) I will of course share the less subjective tests.

[Osslund]

The only situation I don't want to end up with is that I still prefer a 5D2 after using an AF101. So there has to come some serious and aesthetic test films to show what this camera is all about.

It will be better in so many respects but will one prefer it over other cameras?

[Ian-T]

Guys, doesn't this remind you of the 5D/7D hype?

I bought into the DSLR craze, and now have a good.... still camera. The 7D sounded great on paper. Once I saw the video on a resolution chart and the moire I went back to the EX1 with a Letus.

The price is great, the specs are great, but I can't get over the fact that this is basically a GH1 setup with modifications. Show me some more real tests and then I'll make some decisions.
Ha ha...Duke. Put your EX up againts a hacked GH-1. I think you'll be suprised there also. I expect the AF to be that much better.

[bwhitz]

Guys, doesn't this remind you of the 5D/7D hype?

I bought into the DSLR craze, and now have a good.... still camera. The 7D sounded great on paper. Once I saw the video on a resolution chart and the moire I went back to the EX1 with a Letus.


Are you serious? Did you actually make any shorts with the 7D? Most people who make claims like this actually discovered that, even with a 35mm sensor and gobs of light sensitivity, they're films still look low-budget. So their only logical explanation is that must be the moire and the aliasing... and... "Oh look at that resolution chart! No wonder my films don't look professional!"

DSRL's shine in the hands of talent... and now that most everyone has shot on one (and got poor results due to their lack of vision) the bashing has begun. "They only have 7-stops of dynamic range!" "They don't resolve full 1080 lines!" It's all BS...

The DSLRs are so much more camera than most people will ever need. And so is the AF-100... I guarantee people will start bashing it too once they shoot with it and their footage still looks like it was shot by their mom with a handy-cam.

"Why doesn't my footage look pro! Damn it... I can't use aliasing as my scapegoat again... ummm... well... it must be because it's not 10-bit... yea that's it... I NEED 10-bit FOOTAGE TO LOOK PRO NOW!!!"

[Ian-T]

LOL....point taken bwhitz.

But to be fair Duke aint no rank amateur (not that you are saying he is). You are right though....people will always find something to complain about.

[bwhitz]

LOL....point taken bwhitz.

But to be fair Duke aint no rank amateur (not that you are saying he is). You are right though....people will always find something to complain about.

Yea, it wasn't aimed at him directly. I was just saying that generally... "Those who can't... complain."

[Duke M.]

(Thanks Ian-T. I haven't seen you in awhile.)

The DSLRs are more light sensitive and do great when shooting things with soft edges like people. (It also depends on what you want to do with the final output.)

If you have no budget a bad shot is just going to cost you some time. The problem is, when you're paying a room full of talent you can't afford to reshoot everything because of a pattern that repeats at the wrong frequency for your camera ruined the shots.

Consistent results are vital. I'm hoping for no/extremely low moire, noise, etc. I just want to see the tests. (Especially since the Scarlet just went up another $1,000 and has doubled in price from when it was first announced, with another delay.)

[Thomas Church]

If Panasonic made an HD-SDI recorder for 2K they'd sell like hotcakes.

Instead they're gonna make the nanoflash guys really rich.

[JonStainton]

CinequipWhite is doing a pre sale for the AF100 and are giving a sweet deal if you call on the phone.

Also on their blog: cinequipwhite.wordpress.com

Hope this helps someone!

[NextWaveG]

The only situation I don't want to end up with is that I still prefer a 5D2 after using an AF101.

Why would you prefer using your 5D MkII over the AF100? Shallower DOF? Well the 5D will always beat that AF100 in that...there's no way around it. But why would you need that shallow DOF? It's an artistic option, but it doesn't look like film. I just wrote an article about this: There is Such a Thing as “Too Shallow” (http://www.nextwavedv.com/there-is-such-a-thing-as-%E2%80%9Ctoo-shallow%E2%80%9D/)

As long as the camera performs in par with previous Panasonic models, I'm confident that the only times I will defer to my 5D is for specialty shots. i.e. very shallow DOF, super small locations, discrete shooting, etc.

[Wilbur Eddings]

$6200 in My country.
Paid for it today.
Will arrive first week January!
Wooohooooo!