The advent of HDV, the fate of DV

[Dizkoteck]

Its seems what was once an expensive format, HD is becoming an inexpensive new way for shooters like us to use. But how is the likelyhood that HDV can replace DV? After all, developing cameras is a race for these companies to compete and after the FX1, I doubt sticking to DV is in their minds.
I did hear however, that HDV isnt useful for the average person since many homes dont have HD compatible TVs, then again, the quality of HD is still there.
So, how about it folks? Is DV coming to a premature end over the couple of years? or is this all taboo?

[John_Q]

Oh lawdy polaroid be dead
Black and white be dead
film is dead
DV is dead......

HDV is just another format, giving us another option of meduim to use.

DV is NOT dead just because HDV is becoming an option.

Please note the heavy and severe sarcasm meant for the 1st 4 lines of this post...

[Shaw]

I think we will see a shift in the prosumer market to HD(V) over the next few years. I don't think it will be exclusive though. DV will be around for a good while still just due to the fact that most of us have standard def TVs and no means to play HD DVDs yet. I think companies will continue to produce SD for consumer products for quite some time but I don't really see them producing prosumer SD anymore. Heck I'm all for Panasonic and their HD format. HDV isn't great but Panasonic has the right idea.

[Guest]

The today's tv-systems dead wil be noticable from the begining of 2007. All the tv-stations are going for progressive. I'm not sure if it is also the dead for NTSC (60hz) but in Pal land there will be only HD 25p and 50p. 50p for sports and 25p for other prgrams. The HDV is just an transition to HD. Maybe the HDV will enter the palmcorder market like Sony did with the Digi-8 but it isn't the final solution.

Just look at the DVD contra VHS. In some EU land there won't be any VHS from 2005. You can't rent a film on VHS or buy a VHS recorder. It's out. I guess it going to be a gigantic sale process and than just we forget the VHS for ever. The DVD-recorder is better and has more function than a VHS recorder for the same price.

The question is how many jobs can you done until 2007? Because if you can make money with the new camcorder than
$ 20.000,- (inkl. hardware/software) isn't a big investment.

[Barry_Green]

Sony's already introduced at least two formats since DV: they tried Digital8 and they tried Micro MV. Both flopped.

HDV is interesting, that's for sure. But as to whether it'll replace DV? Depends on what the customer buys, as always. VHS is finally starting to wither, but it took two much more advanced formats to do it: DVD and Tivo. It remains to be seen whether HD will catch on with consumers, and if it does, whether HDV will be the format they choose to use to record HD.

[MDKfilms]

And the number of different video mediums rises once again. When will the powers that be finally decide on a format. NEVER. Its a game to make more money. Film has had a few different formats, but mostly in the stills arena, if only video could be as stable. And this rush to make video LOOK like film and be affordable for the average consumer? It use to be that you could buy film at your local store, and have it processed within a couple of days maybe a week, those were the days. Don't get me wrong, I love this digital domain we live in, instant gratification, but wouldn't it be nice( to quote the BEACH BOYS) to shoot on a film stock, get it developed onto a digital medium, and have all this happen within a day. If the major players were smart, they would invent a low cost telecine device that people could have at home, put back into operation all of the processing centers, and VOILA! super8 rises back out of obscurity. Super, which if telecined is widescreen, use to be the public format, the Beaulieu cameras are still beautiful and work like the pros, and you just can't beat the look. Now the real trick is to make super16 affordable for the public, ahhhh. Just a rant, nothin personal, lawdy lawdy.


Just to add: I have a vintage Kodak Model E 16mm camera that was made about 60 years ago, and it still works. Just bought a new prime 25mm lens for it and the footage looks as good as film run through an ARRI16sr. Its wind up to boot. Try doing that with a video camera from just 20 years ago.

[Gary_McClurg]

It's the same in the computer world. We always improve but we never update. I have an old Epson Laser, best printer I ever had. If they said the toner was to last for 2,500 copies, it'd last for 4,000 copies. But of course Epson can't make a new driver for it. They say we have a nice new laser printer. Yeah and if the toners suppose to last for 1,000 copies and it only lasts for 875 copies.

I agree with mad dougk in the old days they built things to last.

Today its always changing and sometimes I wonder will they ever give us everything we want. They give us just enough to be happy. Because if they give us everything we won't buy the new model.

Of course they only rent. But how many people know that a lot of the Panavision camera are still the same old camera bodies fromt he 60's. They just keep improving on a sure thing.

And like mad dougk, just a rant, nothing personal.

[robroysyd]

I think HDV will spell the end of DV. Not because of HD but because it also means you can deliver 4:2:2 SD by down conversion. Perhaps also not many consummers will have the ability to display HD for quite a while however they're very likely to have SD 16:9 capability, again for 16:9 DVD deliver this camera offers the same performance as cameras costing 10x the price (optics excluded).
I'd also mention that the component outputs of the camera are at 4:4:4. If you've got the dollars for some high end HD cards and a stack of very fast disks you can capture images of stunning quality with zero risk of motion artifacts by using this camera as a head.
If you're serious about outputting to film this has got to be the way to go.

[Guest]

Do you mean to capture directly from the firewire or from the component out?

[Guest]

sorry, I can see you mean component 4:4:4.

[Aejaz]

I wonder what solutions they envisage for the 'compressed audio' issue, with the HD format. for the moment one has to depend on a DAT recorder etc to get a broadcast quality audio, for the HD format.

[oleg]

SORRY TO TELL YOU THAT EVERY DV CAMERA FORMAT 9THE DVX M CANON XL-2 OR SONY 150, 170 OR FX 0 ARE STANDING FUR AVAY BELLOW EVERY DAT OR HIGH END RECORDING SISTEM THEAT USIALLY USED IN NORMAL WORK FLOW , SO THE LOOES SOUND OF THE COMPRATION WOULD BE ANOTHER SHITY RECORDING SYSTEM - THESE WHO LIKE BETTER WOULD RUN DOUBLE EVEN THEY RECORD DIRECTLY TO THE SONY HDCAM-900, SO IN THE END THE PRODUCER WOULD DESIDE -IF YOU HE WONT QUALITY OR THE FORMAT IS GOOD ENOUTH - YOU ARE PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWEAR
MY 2 ISRAELI SHEKELS