How about a Sony HDV forum...

[chris24]

...like the XL2 News one. Right now, there's several threads spread through several forums. Just an idea. Thanks.

[disjecta]

My personal opinion is that we should not create new forums for every camera that comes on the market. The HDV cameras are not competitive with the DVX given that they are a different format. The XL2 is a very similar camera to the DVX in terms of its format and functionality so it's appropriate to have productive conversations in the context of the DVX.

[Ranger]

I agree with you chris24. I think there should be a separate forum for such discussions. However, instead of creating a forum for every new camera that arrives on the market, make a forum dedicated to new cameras in general. Such discussion will be geared mainly toward cameras in the prosumer category. While I do understand disjecta’s opinion against including the Sony FX1, because of its different format (HDV), nonetheless the Sony is relevant because it fits squarely within the same prosumer market as the DVX100 and the XL2.

With the arrival of the FX1, we finally have a prosumer camcorder that shoots in 1080i, has 3 x 1/3” HD 16:9 CCDs, 14 bit DXP, great optics with probable excellent low-light capability, and is competitively priced with the Panasonic and Canon. To not have a dedicated place to actively compare and discuss the Sony (or any camera for that matter) in context with the DVX would be disingenuous.

What an exciting time to be in. I can’t wait until November.

… but then again I could be wrong

[chris24]

How about a HDV News forum then (assuming most new cameras of interest at this point will probably be HDV.) *With the Sony camera (as opposed to the crippled JVC), the HDV format is definitely coming into it's own as a serious competitor for mini-DV. *And the Sony is probably going to be a serious competitor with the DVX. When it's released, a lot of people here might be trying to decide which to buy or whether to switch from the DVX to the Sony. *And besides, it would just make reading all the threads much easier if they were in one place.

[pookie_old]

Perhaps as this is DVXuser.com, you could go to HDVuser.com, and have them set up a forum.

I'm pretty sure this is a Panasonic site.

[chris24]

"I'm pretty sure this is a Panasonic site."

I don't think so. *I can't remember the thread, but I'm pretty sure Jarred said that this is his site with no official links to Panasonic when people were claiming this site was biased against the XL2 when it was first announced and released.

Anyhow, it was just an idea. *As much for convenience as anything given the interest that was shown in multiple threads.

[chris24]

Oh, and www.hdvuser.com doesn't work for me. Maybe it's not an active site yet or maybe it's down.

[pookie_old]

OK, I'll simplify my point,

I'm pretty sure this is a DVX site, built by Panasonic, but in no way affiliated with Panasonic.

I would think a Sony HDV site might find a request to discuss Panasonic DVX cameras as being a little off topic.

[pookie_old]

Chris, you've discovered my point, there is no hdvuser.com for Sony users, but there is dvxuser.com for Panasonic (not affiliated) users.

[chris24]

"I would think a Sony HDV site might find a request to discuss Panasonic DVX cameras as being a little off topic."

I'm not asking that we discuss the Sony. There are already numerous threads on it so we're already discussing it. I just suggested putting them in one place. And Jarred already created a forum for a serious competitor for the DVX so I thought it might work to create one for a new competitor.

Anyway, I think your comments that amount to basically "go get your own website" have made your opinion on the suggestion abundantly clear. Thank you.

[ChuckS]

We can burry our heads in the sand if we want and only discuss the DVX100, which thankfully is not happening, there are several people willing to discuss HDV on this site. Creating a place for the discussion simply makes it easier for those that are interested – the discussion is happening regardless.

Regarding the relevance of the new Sony or the XL2 on this site, if you want to be successful in this, or any other, business it is a good idea to have a strong understanding of what your competition is capable of so you can position your services accordingly. I would like to know all that I can, from people’s opinions I trust about how changes in this industry might effect ME! (I’m selfish that way) ;D

I vote for a new HDV forum.

~chuck

[Ranger]

I'm pretty sure this is a DVX site, built by Panasonic, but in no way affiliated with Panasonic.
Nope, this site is not built or has any affiliation with Panasonic other than the use of one of it's camera's (DVX100). This is solely Jarred's baby.


I would think a Sony HDV site might find a request to discuss Panasonic DVX cameras as being a little off topic.
No more off topic than including a separate forum for the XL2.

[pookie_old]

I'm pretty sure this is a DVX site ***a camera built by Panasonic***, built by Panasonic ***the camera***, but in no way affiliated with Panasonic ***who built the DVX***.

Perhaps Jared needs to rename his site for all those who wish to discuss other brands of cameras, perhaps the:

DVXUSERandotherthingstotallyunrelatedtotheDVXbutso mehowiamsupposedtomakeroomforanythingnotpanasonicd vxrelatedeventhoughthisismysite.com

[Ranger]

Now you are being silly.

[ccroo]

People making movies on video want them to be filmlike. The DVX gives us the motion qualities of film and this new Sony promises resolution approximating film. Choosing between these two cameras is gonna be a tough call. It would be great to have a place to discuss it here.
Raoul

[pookie_old]

While these discussions are amusing for all involved, they're also quite meaningless.

The owner of this site, Jarred, who is hopefully having himself quite a chuckle over this, will do exactly as he wants, whatever that may be....

I came to this site because it is a site for and about the DVX camera, for the discussion and sharing of ideas and help, to do with things DVX. Should one be interested in the latest offering from Sony, JVC, or whomever, there are better forums available to participate on.
I'm sure a link to such forums in a message would be more than sufficient.

There have been too many excellent forums destroyed because the participants decided to take over, may this not be another.

I'm sure Jarred has, or will read this thread, and will do exactly as he see's fit.

[ccroo]

3 snaps!

[Gary_McClurg]

Maybe we all should just go to

www.24puser.com

If we want to know something. *

I like this site but I'm tired of this love of a brand, junk. *But then again this will fall on death ears for those who don't want to hear or can't see that there is a bigger world out there beyond their room.

[pookie_old]

Perhaps you misread the name of this site Gary.....DVXuser.

If I owned a Sony, I wouldn't be on this site, I'd be on SomethingSony.com.

Seems straight forward, got a camera, find it's site, enjoy.

[Gary_McClurg]

I give up. It's like talking to my four year old niece,

[pookie_old]

Maybe she can explain it for you... ;)

[Ranger]

Dude, talk about narrow depth of focus ...

All that any of us here is suggesting is the promotion and sharing of ideas and alternative methods. No one here is advocating trying to take over the DVXuser forum and making it into a Sony or Canon forum. We all share a common interest in film making and the DVX. That is why we are here. However, like any community it doesn't hurt to "look outside of the box" for fresh ways to approach film making, whether it's from a new software package, matte box, hand held stabilizer, or yes, even a new camcorder. That's how we grow as a group.

Don't become so fixated on a brand that you refuse to consider options. If you do not want to take an active part in these types of discussions, then the alternative is pretty clear - move on to the next topic. However, don't piss on other people’s parade simply because they prefer an objective comparative analysis and thought given towards the DVX with other camera systems.

Bottom line: Allow others to make an informed decision without all the fanboy cockblocking.

[pookie_old]

Ranger my child, what is your fixation with discussing Sony here?

I think every forum member is able to navigate over to those forums to discuss their products if they're interested. If you want to sing the joys of Sony's latest, go to Sony.

There are numerable other cameras that may "compete" with the DVX, if you consider them to be both superiour, and affordable....buy one, and supply side by side comparison shots and clips, and......

Your comment of: "Bottom line: *Allow others to make an informed decision without all the fanboy cockblocking." is quite amusing, as it seems to apply to you as well...yours is not an opinion in a vaccum...


btw, lose the "dude", it gives away your age.


Gary, you might want to follow the link you posted..

[Barry_Green]

I don't think it's unreasonable, or even questionable, to have forums that discuss other cameras here. I mean, we have forums for FCP, Avid, AfterEffects, etc... the way I see it, what constitutes this community is that we are all either a) DVX users, b) prospective DVX users, or c) wannabe DVX users. Further glue is lent to the community by the flock of aspiring filmmakers, who have been choosing the DVX in droves, and who are now being tempted by the fruits of the XL2 and Sony FX1.

I figure this board isn't so much about the DVX as it is about the users of the DVX (i.e., it's not DVX.com, it's DVXUser.com). And DVXUsers are going to naturally be curious about other cameras, and prospective DVX'ers are going to be doubly curious about where they should plunk down their $3000-$5000.

So I don't mind having an XL2 forum, or a Sony FX1 forum, or (as suggested above) a "new cameras" forum. I think that's certainly healthy for the user group... what we don't need is fanatical fanboy-ism from any camp, that's counterproductive to a simple search for the truth, and poison for internet discussion groups.

[Ranger]

Ranger my child, what is your fixation with discussing Sony here?
While I'm very optimistic and excited about the announcement of the FX1, I however, have not advocated creating a Sony forum on this website. *I only suggested the creation of a dedicated place to discuss such topics, regardless if its Sony, Canon, or JVC.


btw, lose the "dude", it gives away your age.
LOL ... If you only knew my background. *I'll just leave it at that ... DUDE!*;D

[pookie_old]

;D

[Aejaz]

Absolutely, Barry.

And that way we all have a chance to raise our concerns, questions, issues, problems, anxieties and perceptions....about anything affecting the community on this forum....in just ONE, SINGLE forum, without the need to jump from forum to forum, to find satisfying answers.

[Anhar_Miah]

i agree with Barry "user" not just brand, after all we are all humans here right? or are some of you just really clever internet bots?

[disjecta]

LOL ... If you only knew my background. *I'll just leave it at that ... DUDE!*;D

Even if I didn't own a DVX, I'd still be browsing this forum frequently just for the entertainment value :D

[Barry_S]

I think the creation of an HD or HDV forum seems pretty reasonable. It's already a significant topic of discussion and it would be much cleaner to have all the threads consolidated. I'll ask Jarred to set it up and see what he says.

[David_Russell]

What I find in this forum is a group of professionals who were cutting edge enough to discover and adopt the usefull features of a great 24p filmlike camcorder. I do not believe for one second that once they have discovered and used that camera that they are going to sit still, close their eyes while repeating " I have the best, I have the best" . The great forum users here by their very nature "must" discuss newer technology and how that technology will affect their craft.

[Zoomforce]

well said David.. and hence.. the new forum.

[tuface]

nice.