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ColourCraftMedia
08-16-2010, 06:17 PM
Hi all,

I got my hands on the new Cinevate Atlas 10 LTS a few days ago and was doing a live update of my blog during the unpacking. Also put together a quick SDE for fun of the whole thing . I now have pictures uploaded along with a review and comparisons to other sliders on the market.

This post was removed the first time due to unknown reasons (still waiting to hear back from administrator about it) but I'll make it clear that I am NOT sponsored by Cinevate, I'm merely a wedding cinematographer that was in the right place at the right time and they allowed me to do the final beta testing. I'm providing this information to inform others of this slider UNBIASEDLY in comparison to the other sliders on the market. I'm helping Cinevate (who is a site sponsor btw) by providing my review of this in comparison to other sliders that I've used in exchange for the time to use this advanced prototype. Hope this clears things up so this post isn't removed! I apologize in advance if this is infringing any rules as I've reviewed them and feel I am within guidelines. I spent alot of time developing this review so please let me know if I need to change anything to adhere to the rules here. Thanks!

Feel free to ask any questions, I'd be happy to answer them!

http://colourcraftmedia.com/blog/?p=228

Attached are some pictures to go along with the review! I'll copy and paste the review here, linking my blog in case the info changes. I usually update my blog first.

I'll be doing a more comprehensive video showing some situations I used the slider in. I do primarily wedding cinematography so the review/film will be more centered towards that.

Thanks


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Alrighty, here is the awaited writeup for the soon to be released Cinevate Atlas 10 LTS system!

This will be a two part review, the first half will focus on the basic configuration and a write up on it with pictures. The second portion will include more pictures along with a video. The comparisons to the 3 other sliders is included at the end of each point. Here we go!

Pictures 1-6 will be the visual aids for this portion.

Picture 1 shows the most simplest and basic configuration of the LTS. I've put a manfrotto leveling system and a 501HDV head. A few things you'll notice right away is that everything is all black, for that sleek, sexy look (err….) and that there's two manfrotto tripod plates attached ;). More about those later.

Comparisons :
DP slider - Machined metal look. Industrial but not as sexy.
Glidetrack / Igus - same as the DP slider
Atlas 30 - Same company so obviously same type of all black anodized type of styling. I prefer the single compact look of the Atlas 10 compared to the Atlas 30's multi component design (rails, carriage, feet, etc.).

Picture 2 shows a close up of the leg system of the LTS. I REALLY like the fact that they integrated smaller all terrain based balls onto this setup as those sharp legs would damage all kinds of things when I would use the Atlas 30. Scratched up shoes, floors, leather car seats, you name it. I also like that you could unscrew them to help combat uneven ground, although there is only so much adjustment before it becomes unstable.

Comparisons :
DP slider - Unadjustable machine legs. No comparison.
Glidetrack / Igus - I've had the first version of the glidetrack and actually liked the legs compared to the DP slider. Much more area to step/push on to stabilize the rig. However, in uneven terrain, it's still not as versatile as the Atlas 10/30 all terrain legs or the Atlas 10's standard legs.
Atlas 30 - the standard Atlas 30 "claw" feet are very tough to work with. It will make your life easier to just purchase the all terrain version. I feel the Atlas 10 has a leg up with it having ball feet from the get go.

Picture 3 shows the brake system. Pretty simple, screw with a felt pad on the other side to avoid scratching up the nice finish on the outside of the main rail.

Comparisons :
DP slider - My first time out with it, I had my DP slider's brake get a bit cocked. Unscrewing it and screwing it down got it to be realigned but I worried that if the threads on the stop ever get threaded wrong, it would fall off completely. It's similar to the design of the Atlas 10 in which it's just a screw but it also had some kind of "stop" at the end made of metal. Hard to tell because the unit is coated, but I'm sure it would mark things up.
Glidetrack / Igus - No brake unless you engineer your own.
Atlas 30 - I didn't like the brake system of the Atlas 30 as it was difficult to spin with a head on the unit. If you had the HDV model of 501, it would also hit the head. You'd have to spin the head a bit to find the right sweet spot.

Picture 4 shows a feature that EVERYONE would mention as one of the biggest downsides of the Atlas 30 and made them choose the glidetrack or DP slider : SINGLE TRIPOD MOUNTING!

Comparisons :
DP slider - Same mounting point.
Glidetrack / Igus - GT has it already, Igus DIY needs to be tapped.
Atlas 30 - Unable to single tripod mount.

Picture 5/6 show the self cleaning / wiping feature of the carriage. A big complain on the glidetrack was that it needed to be wiped down a lot to prevent sticking or jumping. I personally never had that problem as I kept my glidetrack/igus carriage a bit more loose to give me more play when sliding. These felt, lubricated, "bushings" constantly wipe and keep the rails within the assembly clean. They ARE self serviceable so if they ever in the future have to be replaced, it's rather simple work to take it apart.

Comparisons :
Dp slider - Open wheel bearing design, if there is dirt on the track, it will "crunch" while sliding. Constantly needs to be wiped down.
Glidetrack / Igus - Same thing although it has self lubricating dry-lin. Others have experienced jumping or sticking, I myself rarely do. Wiping it down helps but in a pinch when you need to NAIL a quick once in a lifetime shot, it's tough.
Atlas 30 - Sealed bearing design. Stillmotion shot with it in a pool if I remember correctly. Unless you take the carriage off, its pretty much good to go. I've always had a smooth slide with this bad boy, I just dislike the way it handled when carrying around.

This is the BASIC system that you are able to purchase thru Cinevate. They have two more upgrade paths available for those who want a bit more out of their slider. This next portion covers the first upgrade path.

Pictures 7-11 will be the visual aids for this portion.

Picture 7 and 8 show the adaptation of the Atlas 30's AWESOME all terrain system onto this slider. They are held on by a locking screw and the legs have grooves which allow you to height adjust or width adjust, depending on what you're looking to do with the system. If you notice in picture 8, I have the standard balls on the TOP of the end cap instead of on the bottom. The reason for this will be shown later ;).

Comparisons :
DP slider - Same points as #2
Glidetrack / Igus - Same points as #2
Atlas 30 - The Atlas 30 has it's adjustment knobs on top where I feel they are a bit of a bother when sliding as they get in the way when trying to use the full length of the rails. The Atlas 10's design on the side is much more appealing to me.

Picture 9 shows the Atlas 10 in it's all terrain setup. For most of us event filmmakers, this should be enough to handle most of your sliding situations and needs.


Picture 10 shows the unique locking system that cinevate has put into place with their all terrain legs. I've had the LTS on uneven ground and it was as simple as loosening a few of the legs to get it to "sit" right, then adjust my manfrotto leveler to get a level slider. Quite simple and easy.

Comparisons :
DP slider - Same points as #2
Glidetrack / Igus - Same points as #2
Atlas 30 - Now the all terrain adjustability of the legs in the Atlas 10 varies from the Atlas 30. The Atlas 30 appears to have much more adjustments as it has the full way around the rod to grip on. The pro to that against the Atlas 10 which has to bite to the different grooves is that you have far more options. The con to that against the Atlas 10 is that it can slip. With the grooves of the Atlas 10, the legs will stay where they are at once tightened down. Throw this point out the window if you apply a lot of torque onto the Atlas 30 adjustment knob . UPDATE / EDIT : I've been told that the new Atlas 30 4x4 will have the same type of legs. Sorry for any confusion!

Picture 11…..this is where it gets interesting . VERTICAL slide capabilities. Nuff said.

Comparisons :
DP slider - The main draw of the DP slider (to me) was it's vertical slide. Now that the Atlas 10 has it, it all comes down to price and aesthetics, provided the Atlas 10 slides just as well as the Dp Slider (and it does ).
Glidetrack / Igus - I'm sure you could fashion a way for it to vertical slide, but the design of the dry-lin bearings aren't very conducive to smooth slide positions other than flat on the ground.
Atlas 30 - Same as glidetrack, with some grip gear you could probably get it to do so, but not very practical (although the bearings are very smooth).

Picture 12 (already featured above but reposting) : PRELOAD BEARING ADJUSTMENT!

Comparisons (saved the best part for last).
Atlas 10 - The most important thing in a slider/LTS to me is precise control. I want to be able to do a quick move then stop on a dime. I don't want to have to worry about the carriage not sliding correctly nor do I want to have to worry about overshooting my target. In the past, I've had to reverse a shot in order to get a smooth stop. With the Atlas 10, that is no longer needed . As you can see from the short unpacking film I posted, it's able to stop quite nicely after sliding a long way along the track. There is NO overshooting, it just stops. This is due to the preload bearing design from cinevate. You are able to adjust how much or how little resistance you have when sliding. If you prefer the Atlas 30's and DP sliders free sliding design, you can have that. If you prefer the glidetrack / Igus' small amount of friction, you can adjust for that too! For me, I prefer a happy medium. It's really SOOOO smooth yet can stop without any negative recourse on the motion.
DP slider - Its VERY VERY Smooth as well. Too smooth. People can argue all day long about the technique on stopping it on a dime but when you don't have time to worry about technique and you just need it to STOP, I can't count on the DP slider. With that said, it is very smooth and gets that job done right. UPDATE / EDIT : I was contacted by Don Pham in regards to this. He alerted me to the fact that he wasn't aware that people would want to adjust the pre-load ability of his slider and he stated that it is possible to adjust. He mentions that these instructions will now be provided with each system. Thanks Don.
Glidetrack / Igus - I'm a big fan of the glidetrack / Igus slider. I've had one before and had to sell it due to wanting the pegasus carbon system. I've tried the carbon system and didn't like it. It rocked a bit and I really couldn't stand it. Anyway, we ended up finding the instructions for building your own on "the other site" and used that. James (from red Bicycle Media) and I both built one. I built the equivalent of a glidetrack HD compact and he built this MONSTER 4-5 foot long slider. You'll probably see it in the videos. For all intensive purposes, I would say that out of the 3 I'm comparing the Atlas 10 to, I would pick up the Igus and build it yourself (or Glidetrack if you're not handy with tools) due to the cost involved. BUT, it has it's shortcomings in that it's not completely smooth all the time. For the price of what it costs to make one though, I would choose this hands down in terms of bang for the buck (Igus sourced parts and DIY approach).
Atlas 30 - Very smooth as well. In fact probably the most smoothest AND most stable (Atlas 10 withstanding). The biggest thing disliked was the same as the DP slider, no precise stopping ability 100% of the time. Sure you could nail it now and then, and even more often with practice, but its about being 100% duplicatable in shot creation for me, and I couldn't achieve that with the Atlas 30.

From my experience and keeping budget in mind, this is the order I would rank the sliders with these key points in mind :
- Smoothness
1) Atlas 10 / Atlas 30
2) Dp slider
3) Glidetrack / Igus

- Portability
1) Atlas 10
2) DP slider
3) Glidetrack / Igus
4) Atlas 30

- Cost effective (bang for your buck)
1) Atlas 10 ;)
2) Igus
3) DP slider
4) Glidetrack
5) Atlas 30

- Build quality
1) Atlas 10 / Atlas 30
2) DP Slider
3) Glidetrack
4) Igus

OVERALL, if I had to choose what to buy/build RIGHT NOW :
1) Atlas 10
2) Igus (Home built)
3) Atlas 30 with all terrain legs, if no AT legs, swap places with DP slider.
4) Dp Slider
5) Glidetrack

I'm not sure if I'm able to release the cost of the unit just yet, but rest assured, that is well taken into account when it comes to the overall placing for me . I don't use a slider as much as I used to due to the restrictions in movement I would get with the Igus' DIY I made and I couldn't justify the cost of the DP slider or Atlas 30 with their small shortcomings (being too smooth of a slide). The Atlas 10 is perfect FOR ME, you may or may not agree but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Try one. I promise you'll love it ;).

This concludes the first part of the review. Please give me a few days to put together the final portion which includes the function(s) of the "red rope" along with some other interesting uses of the product. Feel free to ask any questions in the comments section, I'll be sure to answer them!

Some of the things I'll be covering in the future installment :
- Noisiness of the units
- Weight
- Handling when carrying it around
- What types of movements are available due to design

Thanks
Randy