So who plans on buying one?

[Caution]

So is there anyone who is going to be first in line to go out and buy the xl2 upon its release date?


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=339002&is=REG

[Neil_Burner]

Just so the xl2s can come out 2 months later for another 5k... Ill let the canon fans do that first.

[David Jimerson]

I would think that you’d have to be a pretty hardcore Canon loyalist to buy it before it’s put through its sea trials . . .

[Kidster]

I don't suspect that there will be a "XL2s" since canon has gone on record saying that the XL2 is the last SD camera they will release. As far as running out and plunking down $5000, uh no. I have a DVX and would not entertain the idea of selling it. However I probably will buy the XL2 after I see some good reviews and look at some footage first hand. I will be making my first feature spring of 2005, and I think that with the 16:9 ability of the XL2 it will be a good fit, versus my DVX and using an adapter. Also, if I read correctly on the XL2 spec list, the camera has the ability to program focus points...if this feature works well, that is a huge plus for the XL2.

[Jourabchi]

if you got the money to blow by all means try another aspect of dv...and see if it fits for you...the idea of the removable lense is still its best feature...but how many of us budget users can afford to buy any of their lenses...other than that i think the xl2 is not worth it...ive seen too many xl1/s come and go...with all kinds of broken parts....firewire port being the 1st to go....DVX roxorz....
stay true

[Kidster]

Does anyone remember what the DVX100 sold for when it was first released? How close was the selling price from authorized dealers versus the MSRP?

[oleg]

So is there anyone who is going to be first in line to go out and buy the xl2 upon its release date?


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=339002&is=REG
Ill wait for sony :-)

[David Jimerson]

You may be waiting a while . . . ::)

[oleg]

i am not in rush and my wife sas she doesnt wont to show in aur doughter kinder gurden with canon monster , ( not that i didnt do it with 400 few years ago :-))
the xl neved did big on israelly market (the broadcast one) and i really dont see xl-2 playing agains the 570 and the new Sony blue ray ( i know its not the same money but it for same perpes)
just sow the moovie i recorded few monts ago which was shoot on dvx handhel and was blow up to 35 , its looks good - the problem that the prosses (hd upres -color corection-arrie laser -film correction ) cost more then 60k .so frankly dont see the xl doing alot of these kind of gigs
the xl woud probaly be the best seller between the naturalist filamakers who need long lenses , weading filmakers who need to show off with bigger camera then those who pay them have at home and the porno makers who choose the xl -1
as the best bang for the money (maybe now people would start engoy like it was with 16 mmbefor the video ruind it:-))

[Young-H._Lee]

I'm gonna get a DVX, even though I can afford the XL2. The biggest thing for me is that the XL2 is big and bulky. I need the compact size of a DVX

also, just take a look at the pro material being shot on this forum.

unless you need the extra rez, go/stay with the DVX

[nullphonic]

Barry Green wrote: "However, for a dedicated mini35 camera, the XL2 may indeed be "the bomb". *Now that the chips are high-enough res, and with full-res 16:9, and direct attachment with (hopefully) no back-focus issues, the XL2 might be the ultimate rig for the mini35." *

nullphonic wrote: "That's what I'm waiting for, there is apparently quite a bit of footage being shot now with the XL2/mini35 (PAL version). That'll push me one way or another on the XL2 ultimately. (Then I'll wait for the body-only package and go from there)"

This was my post regarding this in another thread...

[cinebuddy]

Just so the xl2s can come out 2 months later for another 5k... Ill let the canon fans do that first.

Sh*t, you must have the DVX100A and therefore were not flabbergasted by the short release to market time of this product shortly after you purchased a DVX100. A XL2S would be different how? I could still be bitter about that but things get better and better, and progress always comes at a price. For me progress is @ $4999 on date TBA baby.

[theos]

The DVX100 is still a very valid camera even though the A is out, and people on this forum too still consider it as a good buy. The XL1s was not an upgrade from what I read, it was a fix. That is probably what was intended in the above reference!

[Barry_Green]

The XL1s was a significant software upgrade, not just a fix from what I understand. Lots of new features and menu options and image control were added.

But if Canon's track record is any guide, it'll be around 2008 before you see an XL2s...

[cinebuddy]

Well, I always wanted an XL1...w/24p lol. So now i'm getting one. I own a recording studio so know one knows revisions whether they're hardware or software like me. Its the cost of doing business, and a good sign of progress. It keeps companies honest in my oppinion. Now we get native 16:9 and 24p for under 5g's. Can you imagine what the next company is gonna do? Go Canon, go sony, go the whole friggin' consortium cause for once in my life when the camera is available I wont blink at the price and I ain't sellin my DVX.

[Carrington Benz]

Surely - its time to think about HD as a next purchase rather than a mini dv cam that is not really that much better than the dvx *???
I really don't see the necessity unless you absolutely need a second cam - but as far as moving on & getting your material to another level - isn't there affordable hd cams coming to town near you pretty soon ?
Don't get me wrong i debated & reseached getting the xl1s before I opted for the dvx & I just love the look of the cam in general but from a practical pov & improving your projects in general - isn't the xl2 & mini dv going to be supersceeded by hd format in just a matter of years ?

I maybe wrong - so please educate me *;)

[Barry_Green]

In a matter of years, perhaps. The first affordable HDV camera may be on the market within a year or so, who knows. Then again, there's nothing about HDTV that's a foregone conclusion... the public hasn't decided to buy into HD yet, and Europe doesn't seem to care, so there may not even be a transition to HD... we shall see.

[David Jimerson]

*I* like it . . .

And Barry, when I get this film wrapped, I'll catch up with you again . . . ::)

[Antoine_Fabi]

that's the permanent question, again and again...

4:3 vs 16/9
SD vs HD

no standard...again...

[cinebuddy]

24p 16:9 hd under 10k...i'm in

[scharky]

and under $10 per tape. i can't afford to shoot 20min for $150 even with a 10k camera.

[HorseFilms]

I sat and waited for the XL2 to be announced. Finally, the day is here and I saw the specs. I just got off the phone with Rush. I have a DVX100A on its way as we speak!

[Rush]

I sat and waited for the XL2 to be announced. Finally, the day is here and I saw the specs. I just got off the phone with Rush. I have a DVX100A on its way as we speak!
Thank you sir. ;D

[HorseFilms]

No. Thank you.

Don't get me wrong, guys. It's not that the XL2 doesn't look like a great cam... it just didn't have enough to steer me away from the DVX.

[Zoomforce]

right on brother.

[newtodvx100a]

All I had was a consumer camera. For years I have wanted the xl1. Then the xl1s but when the time came I went with DVX100a. Not sorry I did. I see Panasonic as the inovator/Leader and Cannon as playing catch up. I bought a Cannon AE1 program SLR years ago. It never failed me and I love the lenses I had. Cannon was the leader then. HD will have to see who will step up to the plate. It won't be too long for that. We just have to wait and see. Panasonic has my money and I am a very happy customer.

[photon]

Hmmm ... I've been looking into buying either the XL-2 and the DVX100a. Some problems I am personally concerned about wrt the XL-2 are as
follows:

1) Lots of complaints regarding the Auto Lens on the XL-1s.
The complaints are comprised of backfocus issues and the
inability of the lens to maintain focus, that is to say that it
seems to continuously/intermittently "hunt" for focus. >:(
2) Various complaints regarding the tape/transport and firewire
port on the unit combined with complaints regarding Canon's level
of Customer Service. >:(

Questions regarding the lenses ability to find and hold focus are critical.
I am quite concerned regarding this issue. Since, I aspire to be a nature
videographer, the idea of substituting the 16X manual lens for the 20X
auto is unappealing. This would limit my focal length to 68mm ( 16:9)

I would really like to find a way to expand the DVX to something like 90mm.
This would make me very happy ... ;D

DVX owners seem to have no complaints regarding the quality of their cameras. The quality of the video clips I have seen on this board is
simply phenomenal. ;D

Since I have no urgent need to purchase a camera, I will sit and wait for
awhile. Will continue to learn, listen, and try to take both cameras out for a test drive before I purchase.

Aloha ...

[Barry_Green]

The DVX is amazingly comprehensive, it's hard to find something to complain about (excepting wishing there was a longer reach to the telephoto). The lens usability is simply superb -- I can't imagine going back to a servo-driven focus ring like the PD170. The DVX's focus ring isn't technically a true mechanical focus ring, but it sure acts like one.

As for 90mm, you'd need a 2:1 teleconverter and there isn't one that I know of. You can get to 72mm easily (with the Century Optics 1.6) but it carries a $700 pricetag and can't zoom out any wider than about Z60. A true 2x teleconverter that doesn't vignette and performs as good as Century would be most welcome. Seeing as the DVX's been out for nearly two years now and none has appeared, I doubt there will ever be one, but I sure wish there was!

[photon]

Barry, what is Z60?

[Barry_Green]

The DVX tells you the position of the lens in its zoom range, using a 100-point scale. So Z00 is full wide-angle, and Z99 is full telephoto, and Z60 is just a point along the way.

[Caution]

Well a lot of things about the xl2 are yet to be announced like the feature to download setting directly to the camera I think its sort of the same deal they had with the pd150 and xl1 they both are like apples and oranges, like they say you can have millions of dollars of equipment but you might not be able to utilize them to their ability no matter what camera you choose I think you will be able to get great results if you know what you are doing by either. ;)

[planetearth]

I have both a DVX100A and the original XL1. Have to say, I've loved the XL1. It's been a real work horse, consistant images and very reliable. The DVX felt a little more flimsy right from the start. I had a lot of concerns. But as I'm about to deliver my first broadcast show shot on my DVX, I really am amazed with the images. A hell of a lot of color correcting (need to get those red settings worked out), but really tasty footage. I also like the fact that it is a little more portable. The XL1 is a real solid build though and if the XL2 is the same with 16x9 it is tempting - though that whole servo lens crap has got to go. I think the DVX will stay for some time, but I will surely keep my eyes, ears and mind open to the XL2.

[photon]

"...though that whole servo lens crap has got to go."

Which XL-1 Lens did you own? Did you use the auto Lens?
Was it problematic?

[planetearth]

I have the standard lens that came with the camera (not the manual lens). Can never do a proper pull-focus, for the servo continues to rotate and you can't set markings. It does have a smother zoom than the DVX though.