Re: canon xl2 vs film

[David Jimerson]

Sure you can. The results *should* be comparable (though not identical) to the DVX.

Theoretically, the transfer process would be very similar, if not identical, to that of DVX footage -- but as no one's tried it yet, at least not that anyone's said, it's only theoretical.

But you can transfer any kind of video to film.

[vamshi]

hi david,

thanx for the reply, can you tell me the other aspects to be considered, like color,filters, lighting,audio...etc....
if you could ...it is greatly appreciative

vamshi

[Gary_McClurg]

This company has a 200 page workbook. I've never used them but I hear they're good.

www.dvfilm.com

Hopefully the link will work so you can just click on it.

[J.R. Hudson]

They madea FILM with the XL1 (28 Days Later). NO adapters used BUT THEY DID HAVE SOME SWEET LENSES.

[vamshi]

hi hudson.

thanx for the reply.
I watched the 28 days later , its excellent man...I thought that they used ps adapter..oh thats great man... but what do you think about the lenses.? i mean which lenses they used . you have any idea.if so....please...

thank you
vamshi

[gzabetas]

You may want to go to the "American Cinematographer's" site (from the magazine) where there is an interview covering this movie and the Canon XL1 used.
This is the
http://www.theasc.com/magazine/july03/sub/

[Jean-P_Archibald]

If I remember well, they used some Canon 2/3 broadcast lenses with a b4 mount and the optex adapter.

[vamshi]

hi jean

Yeah but, I was told in one of the forums that canonxl1s cant use broadcast lens....

vamshi

[Barry_Green]

Read the American Cinematographer article about "28 Days Later". They used high-definition prime lenses with the XL1.

[scharky]

which is kinda nuts if you think about the end resolution that they came out with.

[Barry_Green]

By my calculations, it was about 220 to 240 lines of resolution for the final product.

Which is basically VHS quality.

[David Jimerson]

And it looked it. Liked the story; not so much the visual.

[Guest]

I don't think it looked like VHS at all, nothing about that movie screamed video, in fact in a wierd way, some parts looked more like film then alot of things I've seen that where shot with the DVX. Well, it looked more like extremely digitally graded film, at least in my opinion. I agree the DVX does look like film only more like 16mm, there was only one thing shot on the DVX that ,even though it was posted on these forums, I mistook for 35mm, Water's Edge (It looked like the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring).

[Barry_Green]

I didn't say that "28 Days Later" looked like VHS, of course, I was saying that the resolution they got out of the camera was no higher than you could get out of a VHS camera. I thought they did a great job of getting the best from the XL1, but I think it didn't hold up well AT ALL on the big screen...

[Gary_McClurg]

I think they got the look that they wanted for the film. Personally, I thought the first half of it was lacking and not until the second half did it pick up. To be honest I didn't think the film was that great. But that's just me.

[scharky]

Well, it looked like film because it was on film. Even the DVD funny enough was a copy from the film not the actual DV, so in a way, it looked more like film because you were actually looking at film. Anything transfered to film, well maybe not anything, will look more film like because it takes on the asthetics of film.

[J.R. Hudson]

To be honest I didn't think the film was that great. *But that's just me.

GASP! :o

[Gary_McClurg]

:o :-[ :o

[Gary_McClurg]

The last face was suppose to be ::)

[J.R. Hudson]

:D (Im the resident horror junkie)

[Gary_McClurg]

So how is your zombie movie going?

[J.R. Hudson]

Actually good. What turned out to be a "Lets screw off" production has officially become a "Lets do this right the first time" production. So, in PRE-PROD writing (more or less finished) and EXFILMS (Casey) and I will be re-working the finer details and then its off to cast and secure locations.

[Gary_McClurg]

John, I wish you all the luck in the world there's a lot of work ahead for you.

My partner and I are waiting to see if a writer will spook up a script that we like. If not it looks like a friend of mine is getting the rights back to his story. The producers never could raise the money. His is a great spooky thriller that in a strange sense is also an actors film. It has a great role for an actor. Gary Sinise read the script and both he and his agent loved it. But I could never pull off the money to make it.

So instead of shooting 35mm this time and waiting for a company to give us the money. We got the DVX, mattle box, follow focus for a video shoot last month. When the production rolls around we'll get the 16x9 lens and eye piece and use are own money.

My partner who is a Director/DP loves the camera (only complaint was the auto focus), that's a lot coming from a guy a year ago wouldn't even think about shooting DV for a film and who owns his own Arri BL4.

Everything we've done either together or seperate has gone straight to video and has never been released in the USA. Except one is getting released next month on DVD. The funny thing is a company not even an hour after we signed the contracts wanted to fore wall it across the nation but they didn't want give us an advance so we decide not to break the contract. Murphy's law strikes again.

On this one since we're not shooting 35mm everyone will want a film print.

So we decide to shoot it on are own. Since we have all the equipment to make it in both production and post and hopefully sucker a couple of actor friends to do small cameos so we can have some minor star attraction when it comes time to sell it.
::)

[J.R. Hudson]

That is awesome and very inspiring. My favorite part about this site are the 'filmmakers' (No disrespect to those of you NOT interested in filmmaking). Exfilms (Casey) and I have been wanting to work together for a long time and have never been able to snych up but are ready to go at it. The problem is, I am the one writing. Now, I hate writing... but love to have written. Long story.

The story is written more or less. You ask "More or less?". The original screenplay was started as a feature idea way outside my budget (originates from a group in Africa and makes its way to New York and then San Diego) .

The rewriting is formatting for a san diego storyline within our budget and broken into 4 to 15 minute 'webisodes' for an ongoing online zombie-serial. Not your typical "Zombie story" but more in the vien of I AM LEGEND.

Anyway. Exciting and alot of work. In my real life, my brother is joining my day job company fulltime next week adn this will free up a ton of stress and commitments that have tied me down over the last year and half.

Im ranting. :D

[Gary_McClurg]

John, I'll check with another friend of mine. He DP'ed a kind of throwback to 50's horror films on the XL1. A kind of lets film it as we can project. 90% of the film is shot. Then the director went blastic, doesn't want to finish the film so he took a vaction.

Next week my friend will find out if it'll be finished if the director comes back. My friend has talked with the producer about me coming on board to finish it, in my friends words, "if the big baby doesn't come back."

The reason I'm bringing this up is they were trying to get together 13 one hour shows for this new network that's forming. Then take it overseas as well. I'll talk to him and see if they need more product and he can get in touch with.

[Gary_McClurg]

forgot the "you." at the end ;D

[J.R. Hudson]

:D Sounds good and a 50's throwback sounds hilarious (Im thinking of THEM right now)

[David Jimerson]

You mean . . . "THEM!"

[J.R. Hudson]

:D "!"

[Barry_Green]

THEM was a great film. Watching it, you can just see James Cameron taking notes... and the next thing you know, he produces "Aliens"!

[David Jimerson]

"Next thing" being 30 years later, but OK . . . ;)

[Barry_Green]

Well...

Obviously I know "Them" was 30 years before "Aliens". What I'm saying is that Cameron was sitting at home one night, turned on the tube, watched "Them", then grabbed his pen and started writing "Aliens". Watch it again with "Aliens" in mind, it really looks like THEM was probably a strong influence on him.

Same thing with "Titanic" -- I can totally see him in the theater, he watched "William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet" with DiCaprio, and he kept thinking "doomed love story... Leonardo DiCaprio... water... every time they show DiCaprio there's water... and they're going to die... hey, wait a minute, I've got an idea..."

[David Jimerson]

Oh, I dunno . . . I'm sure he saw "THEM!" long before 1983. But I'm sure he was influenced.

And "Titanic" must have been in pre-pro long before "R+J" was in the theatre (fall '96) . . .

[Jean-P_Archibald]

Cameron is often "inspired" for his films. From Terminator Trivia on IMDB: " Science fiction author Harlan Ellison sued Cameron, claiming that the film was plagiarized from the two "Outer Limits, The" (1963) episodes that Ellison wrote, namely "Soldier" and "Demon With a Glass Hand". The concept of "Skynet" could also have been borrowed from an Ellison short story called "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream". The suit was settled out of court and newer prints of the film acknowledge Ellison." ...

[MovieSwede]

Funny that you mentioned "THEM" and "Cameron" Barry. Because i mentioned the same thing in another tread. Fun that it wasnt just me, who thougt that Aliens was influenced by THEM. * :D

http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=movies;action=display;num=1093667155 ;start=30#30

By the way is it strange that my favorite movies in the 50´s movie and my favourite 80´s movie. Both is about guys (and some womans) with machineguns that kills big bugs. ;)

[Barry_Green]

Wow, that's cool that you saw the exact same thing I did...

[J.R. Hudson]

WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

Are you telling me that the aliens were giant ants?

[MovieSwede]

Nope im telling that the giant ants was aliens ;)

[ellegrand]

Anybody, at the end of the film 28 days ..., when the boy waked up and they were watching th airplane, almost at the end of the film, the cinematographer used 35mm or video? It looks beautiful and different to the rest of the film.
In other forum I was told it was film, I want to know.
Thanks.

[ellegrand]

at the end of the film, when the boy waked up and they were watching the airplane, the movie looks better , looks beautiful, was this section shot in 35mm or in video?

[Barry_Green]

The ending was shot on 35mm film instead of video.