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mitchell1074
06-30-2010, 07:02 AM
Hi-

Maybe I'm missing something here, but plowing thru a bunch of threads I'm seeing 3 or 4 different combinations of bitrate settings all called "C" settings for AVCHD.

I was under the impression that 40/46/50 was C, and now I've seen 50/52/60 and 38/40/42 called C as well. What gives?

mojo43
06-30-2010, 07:11 AM
There was an old C settings I believe. The real C settings can be found under ptools

MR Fanny
06-30-2010, 07:51 AM
Progress and updates...thats what gives =) whatever is listed as "C" in the current ptools is the up to date setting. best thing to do is find out for yourself which of those setting is stable for you and your style of shooting.

Park Edwards
06-30-2010, 08:40 AM
stickies...they're there for a reason

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213486

mitchell1074
06-30-2010, 09:50 AM
OK I see about the version in Ptools, that should have been obvious, thanks!

About the link to the sticky, that's exactly what I was talking about, The second post lists:

"AVCHD STABLE SETTINGS FOR 1080P

C Settings:

-Video bitrate adjustment - c)40000000
-Overall bitrate adjustment - c)46000000
-Limiting bitrate adjustment - c)50000000"

and immediately below that, first line in the next post:

"...AVCHD settings I have found so far are 50,52,60 (the "c" suggestions)"

So hopefully you understand where the confusion came from, my guess is I'm not the only one.

mojo43
06-30-2010, 11:09 AM
I think these are the old C ones: 50,52,60

abcjean
06-30-2010, 12:35 PM
A question, Is it necessary to activate video buffer?

mitchell1074
06-30-2010, 01:46 PM
I think these are the old C ones: 50,52,60

Hi-

50/52/60 is listed under c settings of the newest (I assume) Ptools (3.37) but watching this bit of footage

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=215412

makes me want to try 40/50/70! :)

Filmkid2003
06-30-2010, 05:11 PM
If you think that looks good, then watch this Red Rock video by Eric Thompson shot at 40,50,70 WITHOUT native 24p!

http://vimeo.com/12606679

That's is the cleanest GH13 video I've seen so far.

mitchell1074
06-30-2010, 06:45 PM
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Full !!!

John Caballero
06-30-2010, 06:49 PM
If you think that looks good, then watch this Red Rock video by Eric Thompson shot at 40,50,70 WITHOUT native 24p!

http://vimeo.com/12606679

That's is the cleanest GH13 video I've seen so far.


And who says you shouldn't get excellent footage with pulldown and higher bitrates? The pulldown is more a hassle in the post production than much else. You remove it with Voltaic or Neoscene or some NLEs will do it automatically. Nothing to do with image quality from the camera.

MattinSTL
06-30-2010, 09:14 PM
That footage really is spectacular... being smooth with a cam is never a bad thing... (freakin' kit lens again too... wow.)

KevinJ
07-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Some folks are saying you need a class 10 for C settings in FHD. For the Red Rock video by Eric Thompson he shot at 40,50,70 and says was 100% stable with class 6 card.

So should class 6 be 40,50,70 and class 10 be 50, 52,60? Why would Eric's limit be higher?

I think the version 4 of ptool they are working on maybe mapping cards to settings from the screen shot but in the interim, I'm ready to install.

mitchell1074
07-02-2010, 10:29 AM
Hi-

He also didn't have the 24p native checked on, and from what I gather that's making a difference in stability for a number of AVCHD-shootin' people.

I could shoot with the original "C" settings (or whatever, that's a whole 'nother mess, but they were 40/46/50) with 24p checked on with a class 4 card (kodak) and it works great until I hit a highly detailed scene, lots of texture, on a tripod, static, then pow, write error.

KevinJ
07-02-2010, 11:51 AM
Stability or rather instability is related to setting native 24p and higher bit rate settings.

I recall that the 24p setting removes the 60i wrapper .

Therefore I assume would make compression work less through the codec and cause more disk activity writing the output versus compression which would cause more CPU time. So I can imagine that checking 24p requires a stable SDHC card to maintain the data output rate since I can imagine there isn't an unlimited amount of buffer memory.


Hi-

He also didn't have the 24p native checked on, and from what I gather that's making a difference in stability for a number of AVCHD-shootin' people.

I could shoot with the original "C" settings (or whatever, that's a whole 'nother mess, but they were 40/46/50) with 24p checked on with a class 4 card (kodak) and it works great until I hit a highly detailed scene, lots of texture, on a tripod, static, then pow, write error.

Ozpeter
07-02-2010, 05:50 PM
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=214697 shows the Ptool hack's advantage better than anything else IMHO. Every shot has codec-killing content. And apart from its test qualities, it's beautifully done.

See also http://vimeo.com/12811887 for discussion of settings used in that video.