boom mic recommendations

[Guest]

am getting ready to shoot first feature. whats a good boom mic to get with good clarity and sound.?
mainly i will be shooting alot of 2/3 character dialogue

jim

[Slapdragon]

am getting ready to shoot first feature. whats a good boom mic to get with good clarity and sound.?
mainly i will be shooting alot of 2/3 character dialogue

jim

For lower cost, everyone seems to like the Seinhiesser K6 models (there are various guns that go on this power unit).

[oleg]

For lower cost, everyone seems to like the Seinhiesser K6 models (there are various guns that go on this power unit). *
I DONT

befor looking for the shotgun look for sound person with some understanding what kind of tools you need

[Slapdragon]

I DONT

befor looking for the shotgun look for sound person with some understanding what kind of tools you need

What do you like?

[oleg]

from top to bottom
cs-3e
mkh-416,mkkh-60
neuman-81,akg580-ck69
at 4073
cs-1

hipper cardioid
schoeps5,6-41+cut-1
mkh-50
didnt work with 897 and akg 300 blu line so really dont know how does it sounds

[taubkin]

I think he is more of a Sanken CS-3 person... But there are the Senn's MKH-60, and many others above the 1000 dolar price range. Remebmer that if you want you feature to be screened in a cinema, you will need decnt sound. A me66 will sound horrible on the big screen although makes usable sound for a TV ENG crew... There are plenty of other topics on the subject however...

Oleg is right. Before looking for a shotgun, consider finding a good audio guy. There is more to it than meets the eye (or ear...) ;)

[Dave_Fisk]

I will also agree with Oleg on this one.

-Dave

[oleg]

Every one -*Dave Fisk -better english ,good ears , soundman , very halpfull person , your friend in the field and in Coffeysound .
Oleg

[Slapdragon]

from top to bottom
cs-3e
mkh-416,mkkh-60
neuman-81,akg580-ck69
at 4073
cs-1

hipper cardioid
schoeps5,6-41+cut-1
mkh-50
didnt work with 897 and akg 300 blu line so really dont know how does it sounds

Thank you. Many of those I recognize, but from my own higher end work. Are any of them in the price range of the K6 and its additions?

[Barry_S]

Dave,

Welcome to DVXUser and the audio forum. Don't be shy about jumping in to offer knowledge and opinions on gear and applications. Do you work at Coffey?

[oleg]

the closest to me66 is 4073 about 500-550 $
the me is 300-330 euro in germany thats about 400$-450
cs-1 is 750-780$ in US
CS-3 ABOUT 1200-1300
MKH-60- 1050 EURO IN GERMANY
416 650-690 IN GERMANY

[Slapdragon]

the closest to me66 is 4073 about 500-550 $
the me is 300-330 euro in germany thats about 400$-450
cs-1 is 750-780$ in US
CS-3 ABOUT 1200-1300
MKH-60- 1050 EURO IN GERMANY
416 650-690 IN GERMANY


OK, my uncle, who was the President/CEO of Vega / Electrovoice, hated the ME66 and K6 and so did his engineers. I have never used it, but everyone on the low end seems to love them.

[oleg]

i dont hate it, i have better options , i can afford it , some dont , the problem that self advertizing of those who dont have any appartunity to use better options ,brought that mike to be the simbol of low budget fimaker . i dont say that this mike is bad ( i dont think there are really bad products there), i say that mike is over promoted by people who dont know anything about .

[Dave_Fisk]

Dave,

Welcome to DVXUser and the audio forum. *Don't be shy about jumping in to offer knowledge and opinions on gear and applications. *Do you work at Coffey?

I am at Coffey Sound in Hollywood. I also do freelance production and post work.

-Dave

[Barry_S]

The ME66/K6 is a good solid short shotgun for the *right* applications. If used with good technique, you can produce dialogue with excellent sound quality. However, it's not the right choice for everything and (surprise) as you go up in price, mic quality improves. It doesn't have the most natural sound, but nothing does at that price. If you use it poorly, you can end up with a very hollow reverby sound. Personally, I think most people would be better off with an ME64/K6 or the AT897 for interiors. It shouldn't be your automatic choice, but it's a good solid mic for the price.

[Slapdragon]

i dont hate it, i have better options , i can afford it , some dont , the problem that self advertizing of those who dont have any appartunity to use better options ,brought that mike to be the simbol of low budget fimaker . i dont say that this mike is bad ( i dont think there are really bad products there), i say that mike is over promoted by people who dont know anything about .




Makes sense. the dilemna I face right now is having money to buy one shotgun for an entire college's film program. While I have a pile of 635s, ECM-77s, and even some PZMs and an RE20, all of those serve multiple purposes and can usually be bought in quantity. The gun will be a singular item until student use starts to justify a second unit (soon I hope).

Although I teach some creative microphone use to students, the lavs and PZMs in particular have some wild uses they can be put to if you are creative (although I get some sour looks from people for using them for what they were not designed to do... whatever that means) the gun is essential, and a relatively few guns (one off the camera, and one on each camera directly mounted) have to do everything no matter what comes up.

[oleg]

2 X 4073 + 2 octava 12+ hc cpsuls + cardiod capsul = 3 .5 me66 +k6

quality , versuality , spar mike (back up)

[Slapdragon]

2 X 4073 + 2 octava 12+ hc cpsuls + cardiod capsul = 3 .5 me66 +k6

quality , versuality , spar mike (back up)

Looks good. I am having EVS give my list of stuff a try, but I may see if I can afford at least to get a 4073 to start. Colleges build slowly (unless you have wealthy clients who simply love to toss money at small colleges in exchange for having an edit suite named after them!)

By the way -- to all people. If you have dead professional microphones you would like to donate, I need them. I cut them in half to teach audio to students.

[oleg]

why dead , there are allot of chinis products which cost less then my xlr cables , you can have live trupp for sergery ;D

[Slapdragon]

why dead , there are allot of chinis products which cost less then my xlr cables , you can have live trupp for sergery ;D

Might work, but if the students have a 635 to work with in the field, I have a dead 635 that was lasered in half. I want a shotgun with the same thing done.

Of course, donations of live microphones are also accepted.

[Dave_Fisk]

You may also want to check out the Sanken CS-1. It's a small, short shotgun that sounds fantastic, and is less than $800. It's a really good all around mic, that is forgiving, yet has fantastic rejection on the back side. Eveyone that I know that has one loves it. I really like it for interiors where you have low ceilings, or in a car.

-Dave

[Slapdragon]

You may also want to check out the Sanken CS-1. It's a small, short shotgun that sounds fantastic, and is less than $800. It's a really good all around mic, that is forgiving, yet has fantastic rejection on the back side. Eveyone that I know that has one loves it. I really like it for interiors where you have low ceilings, or in a car.

-Dave


I have started looking at that one.

[xort]

Nobody has asked what you are using the gun for. Interior or exterior? I think the ME66 is OK for exterior but picks up echoing on interiors easily. A Hypercardioid is a better choice inside. The K6 capsule has a cardioid and supercardioid head available and there are plenty of other choices around. The AKG blue line is quite affordable.

[MattinSTL]

I found the me66 to be a disaster for interiors. Even the 4073a gave too much room sound in every use I've tried. So far I've been doing interiors well with Oktava mk012 hypers.

Dave, I'm really intrigued by the Sanken CS1. Which mic do you like better, CS1 or mkh416? My ears prefer the 416, but the CS1 would definitely do interiors and I doubt the 416 would pull it off. What are your thoughts on all that?

[Slapdragon]

Nobody has asked what you are using the gun for. Interior or exterior? I think the ME66 is OK for exterior but picks up echoing on interiors easily. A Hypercardioid is a better choice inside. The K6 capsule has a cardioid and supercardioid head available and there are plenty of other choices around. The AKG blue line is quite affordable.

It has to be, for students, a microphone that can do equally poorly at as many tasks as it can face, while being capable of being dropped and battered.