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Lor
06-07-2010, 10:26 AM
What's the best DSLR out there for filming? I'm just wondering.

handsome pete
06-07-2010, 10:37 AM
That's a really broad question, and one that really can't be answered.

alignment1
06-07-2010, 10:57 AM
What's the best DSLR out there for filming? I'm just wondering.

I personally love my Panasonic GH-1- articulating lcd, compact, many lenses from different companies can be mounted w/ adapter, no aliasing, fantastic latitude, Great Firmware hacks in progress:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=206788


Here's what Philip Bloom says:
http://philipbloom.net/2010/06/06/whichdslr/

Barry_Green
06-07-2010, 10:59 AM
Best DSLR for filming what?

Lor
06-07-2010, 11:05 AM
That's a really broad question, and one that really can't be answered.

I once saw a Zacuto review a bunch of different DSLR cameras but I couldn't find the link anymore.

alignment1
06-07-2010, 11:09 AM
here you go
http://www.zacuto.com/shootout

Lor
06-07-2010, 11:12 AM
Thanks! I'll check it out.

Lor
06-07-2010, 11:18 AM
Best DSLR for filming what?

For short or feature film. I'm just curious since I have never thought of actually using a DSLR for shooting a feature film. I've seen the short film of the City of Lakes (http://exposureroom.com/ffm/CityOfLakes/) in ExposureRoom and it seemed like they used a DSLR camera. I'm not sure if that's the only camera they used or what but the picture does look very nice.

alignment1
06-07-2010, 11:45 AM
the show "House" used the Canon 5DMark2- very capable piece of equipment

http://philipbloom.net/2010/05/17/first-2-minutes-of-house-5dmkii-season-finale-now-online/

Lor
06-07-2010, 12:03 PM
Okay, so for now it seems like Canon is better than Nikon for shooting video.

tackleqb
06-07-2010, 12:31 PM
5D has full frame, and image quality is most important to me so this is why i bought it over others, however other cameras can be better at different thing such as shooting different frame rates and shooting 720 which 5D cannot do, it all depends on what you are planning to shoot and what format to shoot in. For me though I shoot 1080/24p with a full frame sensor and that gives me the best image quality.

Lor
06-07-2010, 12:39 PM
I'm not aiming for 720p. 1080/24p or more is better. Looks like the 5D Mark II is an amazing camera. However, it looks like you can only for half an hour. Is that correct?

tackleqb
06-07-2010, 12:48 PM
It records only at 12 min. continuously which means once you hit record it will only record a 12 min clip but doesn't mean you can't stop recording and then hit record again. A formula I like to use to figure out how many minutes of recording time I have per CF card is: (3 x number of GB) give or take a few minutes depending on if your filming video and audio at the same time etc.

Dave W
06-07-2010, 01:02 PM
Okay, so for now it seems like Canon is better than Nikon for shooting video.

The D90 only has 720p which is restrictive enough, but you can't shoot hand-held with it or have much movement without the frame going jelly-like. The D3s is decent in low light but is otherwise fairly poor.

Overall, the 7D is probably the best all-round shooter. Smaller sensor than the 5Dmk2 but it has more video options.

Just do a bit of research (http://philipbloom.net/2010/06/06/whichdslr/).

alignment1
06-07-2010, 01:31 PM
Just do a bit of research (http://philipbloom.net/2010/06/06/whichdslr/).

This link has been posted in this thread already Dave

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2010747&postcount=3

cheers

Lor
06-07-2010, 01:37 PM
Thanks for all the information. I'll check them out.

morgan_moore
06-07-2010, 11:56 PM
IMO the 1ds is the best - larger chip than the 7 and half decent HDMI out for monitoring

But it is expensive and still has moire like other DSLRs so I wouldnt buy it

IMO the 7 is best for monitoring and $$$

The 5 is clunky to use and a b1tch to focus unless you have an experienced AC with $20k of FF kit

I have no agenda because I have both

S

Lor
06-08-2010, 06:45 AM
IMO the 1ds is the best - larger chip than the 7 and half decent HDMI out for monitoring

But it is expensive and still has moire like other DSLRs so I wouldnt buy it

IMO the 7 is best for monitoring and $$$

The 5 is clunky to use and a b1tch to focus unless you have an experienced AC with $20k of FF kit

I have no agenda because I have both

S

Thanks for your opinion.

I have quite a few of Nikon lenses already and if I am can afford another DSLR, I like to keep it to Nikon so I don't have to buy the Canon lens. However, as many of you have said and some reviews I have seen, it seems like Canon are now better in recording HD movies.

alignment1
06-08-2010, 07:00 AM
IMO the 1ds is the best - larger chip than the 7 and half decent HDMI out for monitoring


here's a sweet low-light vid using the 1D:

8851579

Lor
06-08-2010, 07:07 AM
That is an impressive video, Zack. Thanks for showing that.

alignment1
06-08-2010, 07:08 AM
Don't write off the GH1 just yet- as it doesn't experience the same moire problems as all of the canon's--

here's a great comparison from our very own Barry Green-

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/article.php/26 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/../articles/article.php/26)

alignment1
06-08-2010, 07:11 AM
abnother one of his aticles on 'aliasing' - great info here too. (thanks Barry)

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/article.php/20 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/../articles/article.php/20)

alignment1
06-08-2010, 07:37 AM
resolution chart comparison

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=187165

Lor
06-08-2010, 07:50 AM
Thanks, Zack for showing me those information. And thanks to Barry for those comparisons.

Jim Klatt
06-08-2010, 08:29 AM
I have used each camera,either by rental or job, and decided to go with the 5d. Te full-frame sensor
is what makes it so appealing.

Jon Chema
06-08-2010, 11:15 AM
I once saw a Zacuto review a bunch of different DSLR cameras but I couldn't find the link anymore.

Zacuto shootout is great...i'd suggest everyone watch it!

Jon Chema
06-08-2010, 11:16 AM
The 5D is fine AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PAN or move too much. The best all around camera is the 7D. It is more solid. It has less problems on moving shots and its image is close to the 5D.

I'd agree with that. I LOVE my 7D...great video. Wish they had RAW for these cameras though, and headphone jack for monitoring. Would make them even better!

ATL Media Group
06-08-2010, 02:01 PM
I went with the GH1 and couldn't be happier. Especially now that there is a firmware hack for more options. Very sweet.

jonE5
06-08-2010, 02:29 PM
I love my 7D, but if i had more i might have gotten a 5D, some pros and cons of each.

Either way, best way to judge is to watch the great camera shootout of 2010 on zacuto.

The 5D/7D/1D pretty much compete for dominance, with the GH1 and D3s trailing behind.

A few of the tests the GH1 actually does do better, and in extreme low light the D3s shines, but for the vast majority of other stuff.

Ive been a nikon user since before i was born, and made several shorts and a documentary with my D90, but after nikon just refused to listen to the market i had to switch to canon and never looked back.

alignment1
06-08-2010, 05:11 PM
The 5D/7D/1D pretty much compete for dominance, with the GH1 and D3s trailing behind.


well - as it has been covered a plethera, I won't beat a dead horse, but it can easily be argued that the shootout was skewed- seems like a lot more time was put into the canon line in terms of discussion, color timing, chart tests, etc.

all in all- I think it depends on the user. These HDSLR's have something for everyone. They all have their idiosyncrasies, hurdles, and work-arounds, and ALL are very powerful tools.

I feel like everything Philip Bloom touches is magic. So this is the perfect example of the 'user' making use of his tools.

Dave W
06-08-2010, 06:24 PM
The 5D is fine AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PAN or move too much. The best all around camera is the 7D. It is more solid. It has less problems on moving shots and its image is close to the 5D.

All of these cameras are fine as long as you don't pan. They all use CMOS chips so you're going to get the rolling shutter effect on all of them.

Kholi
06-08-2010, 06:38 PM
There is no best or better. That is the end of it. They all suck pretty much equally. What you get in one you lose in another. You pretty much just need to find out which one fits your budget and your game plan.

The only reason I ever moved away from the GH-1 was because of pulldown and no video out.

With the new firmware hack and the GH-1 Costing 400.00 overseas, you'd be hard pressed to try to sell me a T2i or a 7D. The only thing I'd consider outside of that is a 5D.

The GH-1 is the most versatile of them all, just now needs a video out hack or a GH-2 update that's all inclusive.

For 400.00 + Hacks that throw the image quality into a whole new playing field, Ability to PL mount without hacking into the camera, 720/60, 1080/24 PJPEG, 1080/30 PJPEG, and the most appealing overall aesthetic (to myself and a lot of others, including a lot of 7D owners I know) the GH-1 is definitely a major contender.

I no longer have 7Ds and 5Ds and am looking back into picking up one or two GH-1's + PL mounts for small jobs and odds+ends.

boulder
06-08-2010, 08:07 PM
I think if the 7D gets Magic Lantern or a firmware upgrade I would give it the crown (at this time), but since the 5D has these I would have to vote for the 5D being the king of DSLR vid cams. 5D quality is excellent too

Pulldown is just silly to have to deal with at this point in time and no ability to monitor while shooting? And very few of us have PL lenses, I would think if we had that kind of money we would own Reds.

OMG, why am I inviting a war?

mico
06-08-2010, 08:14 PM
Go with the 5D or 7D. if House didn't do it for you maybe this will:

http://guillaumenery.over-blog.com/

Kholi
06-08-2010, 11:07 PM
I think if the 7D gets Magic Lantern or a firmware upgrade I would give it the crown (at this time), but since the 5D has these I would have to vote for the 5D being the king of DSLR vid cams. 5D quality is excellent too

Pulldown is just silly to have to deal with at this point in time and no ability to monitor while shooting? And very few of us have PL lenses, I would think if we had that kind of money we would own Reds.

OMG, why am I inviting a war?

Because you feel like you need to justify what you like over the next person's. It's a natural habit around the forums.

chris f
06-08-2010, 11:45 PM
I roll with the 7D because:

Full HDMI out with no delay
24P (bought before the firmware for 5D)
I enjoy shooting on the longer side of lenses, so crop sensor = further reaching lenses for less money

Like Kholi said, buy the camera that fits your personal needs/style.

yoclay
06-09-2010, 12:05 AM
There is no best or better. That is the end of it. They all suck pretty much equally. What you get in one you lose in another. You pretty much just need to find out which one fits your budget and your game plan.

The only reason I ever moved away from the GH-1 was because of pulldown and no video out.

With the new firmware hack and the GH-1 Costing 400.00 overseas, you'd be hard pressed to try to sell me a T2i or a 7D. The only thing I'd consider outside of that is a 5D.

The GH-1 is the most versatile of them all, just now needs a video out hack or a GH-2 update that's all inclusive.

For 400.00 + Hacks that throw the image quality into a whole new playing field, Ability to PL mount without hacking into the camera, 720/60, 1080/24 PJPEG, 1080/30 PJPEG, and the most appealing overall aesthetic (to myself and a lot of others, including a lot of 7D owners I know) the GH-1 is definitely a major contender.

I no longer have 7Ds and 5Ds and am looking back into picking up one or two GH-1's + PL mounts for small jobs and odds+ends.


400.00 overseas? They cost 1230 Euros in Europe, that's $1470. Far more than a T2i.

Kholi
06-09-2010, 12:10 AM
400.00 overseas? They cost 1230 Euros in Europe, that's $1470. Far more than a T2i.

Japanese GH-1 body is about 400 - 450 now.

Barry_V
06-09-2010, 12:48 AM
I picked up my GH1 a couple weeks ago for $1000 including the 14-140 kit lens, real US packaged camera, not gray market. Prior to that, I had searched long and hard (that's what she said) for a good deal on a T2i / lens combo that I liked. Every combination came up to at least $1300 or so. The GH1 kit lens gives you a great bang for buck. Okay, not everyone likes it, but so far I'm mighty impressed.

Martti Ekstrand
06-09-2010, 04:57 AM
400.00 overseas? They cost 1230 Euros in Europe, that's $1470. Far more than a T2i.

700 Euro without the (excellent) lens:

http://www.kamera-express.nl/ProductDetail.aspx?id=29260

Shaneuk
06-09-2010, 06:22 AM
5D Mkii because it is a little bit better than the 7D and you can turn of the agc.

mico
06-09-2010, 06:34 AM
5D Mkii because it is a little bit better than the 7D and you can turn of the agc.

Got a get a good mixer in the mix regardless of agc issue. The juicedlink DT454 is the minimum needed for the 5D or the 7D. For the 7D it has an agc defeat. Waiting for a firmware upgrade for agc defeat doesn't' completely solve the sound issue if sound is important to you because you need decent preamps and easy trim controls. Just plugging a mic into the canon body isn't really the best way to get good sound.